Just got mine. Hopefully they made the best decisions predicting this year’s strains. You want to up your odds of not dealing with that . Not a fun thing.
Same here, less than 10% efficacy last year and full of toxic metals.
This post is unadulterated bullshit and dangerous to anyone dumb enough to believe the ravings of scurrilous people.
Those are facts so use whatever BS adjectives you want but try disputing that Big Pharma boy!
The CDC itself admitted to the 10% efficacy and aluminum (toxic metal) and occasionally mercury are used as adjuvants in thE flu vaccine. But again I didn’t advise anyone not to get just not for me. So you can continue to cast aspersions but the facts don’t change.
Same here, less than 10% efficacy last year and full of toxic metals.
This post is unadulterated bullshit and dangerous to anyone dumb enough to believe the ravings of scurrilous people.
Those are facts so use whatever BS adjectives you want but try disputing that Big Pharma boy!
The CDC itself admitted to the 10% efficacy and aluminum (toxic metal) and occasionally mercury are used as adjuvants in thE flu vaccine. But again I didn’t advise anyone not to get just not for me. So you can continue to cast aspersions but the facts don’t change.
Aluminum hydroxide is a salt. That is the adjuvant used in almost every human vaccine ever. Decades of safety profiles.
Same here, less than 10% efficacy last year and full of toxic metals.
This post is unadulterated bullshit and dangerous to anyone dumb enough to believe the ravings of scurrilous people.
Those are facts so use whatever BS adjectives you want but try disputing that Big Pharma boy!
The CDC itself admitted to the 10% efficacy and aluminum (toxic metal) and occasionally mercury are used as adjuvants in thE flu vaccine. But again I didn’t advise anyone not to get just not for me. So you can continue to cast aspersions but the facts don’t change.
Aluminum hydroxide is a salt. That is the adjuvant used in almost every human vaccine ever. Decades of safety profiles.
Same here, less than 10% efficacy last year and full of toxic metals.
This post is unadulterated bullshit and dangerous to anyone dumb enough to believe the ravings of scurrilous people.
Those are facts so use whatever BS adjectives you want but try disputing that Big Pharma boy!
The CDC itself admitted to the 10% efficacy and aluminum (toxic metal) and occasionally mercury are used as adjuvants in thE flu vaccine. But again I didn’t advise anyone not to get just not for me. So you can continue to cast aspersions but the facts don’t change.
Aluminum hydroxide is a salt. That is the adjuvant used in almost every human vaccine ever. Decades of safety profiles.
Aluminum is tin foil which you have on your head.
That is nonsense
If
T’s An aluminum salt and there is still mercury in some flu shots and it is a fact that last years flu shot was less than 10% effective (CDC).
Same here, less than 10% efficacy last year and full of toxic metals.
This post is unadulterated bullshit and dangerous to anyone dumb enough to believe the ravings of scurrilous people.
Those are facts so use whatever BS adjectives you want but try disputing that Big Pharma boy!
The CDC itself admitted to the 10% efficacy and aluminum (toxic metal) and occasionally mercury are used as adjuvants in thE flu vaccine. But again I didn’t advise anyone not to get just not for me. So you can continue to cast aspersions but the facts don’t change.
Aluminum hydroxide is a salt. That is the adjuvant used in almost every human vaccine ever. Decades of safety profiles.
Aluminum is tin foil which you have on your head.
That is nonsense
If
T’s An aluminum salt and there is still mercury in some flu shots and it is a fact that last years flu shot was less than 10% effective (CDC).
I attached it above to save you the google search.
And I should correct myself in the Alum in not really a salt but it does form salts in acidic solutions. It’s certainly not a metal and it’s not aluminum. It’s incorrect and disingenuous to say that the flu shots contain aluminum.
Same here, less than 10% efficacy last year and full of toxic metals.
This post is unadulterated bullshit and dangerous to anyone dumb enough to believe the ravings of scurrilous people.
Those are facts so use whatever BS adjectives you want but try disputing that Big Pharma boy!
The CDC itself admitted to the 10% efficacy and aluminum (toxic metal) and occasionally mercury are used as adjuvants in thE flu vaccine. But again I didn’t advise anyone not to get just not for me. So you can continue to cast aspersions but the facts don’t change.
Aluminum hydroxide is a salt. That is the adjuvant used in almost every human vaccine ever. Decades of safety profiles.
Aluminum is tin foil which you have on your head.
That is nonsense
If
T’s An aluminum salt and there is still mercury in some flu shots and it is a fact that last years flu shot was less than 10% effective (CDC).
Same here, less than 10% efficacy last year and full of toxic metals.
This post is unadulterated bullshit and dangerous to anyone dumb enough to believe the ravings of scurrilous people.
Those are facts so use whatever BS adjectives you want but try disputing that Big Pharma boy!
The CDC itself admitted to the 10% efficacy and aluminum (toxic metal) and occasionally mercury are used as adjuvants in thE flu vaccine. But again I didn’t advise anyone not to get just not for me. So you can continue to cast aspersions but the facts don’t change.
Aluminum hydroxide is a salt. That is the adjuvant used in almost every human vaccine ever. Decades of safety profiles.
Aluminum is tin foil which you have on your head.
That is nonsense
If
T’s An aluminum salt and there is still mercury in some flu shots and it is a fact that last years flu shot was less than 10% effective (CDC).
And aluminum salt is a toxin
And this years shot contains thimerasol (mercury)
And I’m not the one here telling people what to do, just said it’s not for me, so you can just keep marching to Big Pharma’s orders, I’ll pass.
Thimerosol is not in the flu vaccines you get. It is used in multi-dose vials which isn’t the kind most people get. Plus thimerosol is harmless.
Thimerasol is a form of mercury and pretty far from harmless. Listen you guys just keep getting your flu shots. But you might notice which side is attacking and calling people names. If you think that’s the thing to do go right ahead, but you’re the ones taking this personally, not me. So which Pharma do you work for.
But people spreading disinformation about health issues need to be stopped because they are dangerous.
Mercury and organic mercury are very different things. And thinerosol in vaccines is harmless. Or, provide the evidence which says that it is harmful. I can redirect you to cdc (and other medical sites) to support the lack of toxicity in vaccines. And, like I said, it’s not in the flu vaccine you would get.
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I usually don't get the shot - but considering the dopes on that side of the argument here, I'm pretty sure I've been swayed towards actually getting it this year.
Doing the opposite of whatever Stan does is probably a pretty safe way to go about things.
about flu shots. There is science on one side and people who choose not to believe science on the other side.
As an American it's your right not to believe science, but it's societies duty to call you out for that, especially when your ignorance has the potential to impact the rational and responsible members of society.
But the people who peddle lies and say that the vaccines are actually Â
Who advocate for vaccines are so upset when people who don't want to get them voice there opinion. Especially if said people haven't been getting the flu year after year. I am not going to debate whether they are useful or worth it as there is far from enough complete information to drawer a valid conclusion. Both sides twist facts to push the agenda. I was always raised to get plenty of rest and eat right and get plenty of fresh air and so far that has worked pretty well. I don't like the idea of somebody I don't know injecting a substance I don't know into my body. Period.
Plus if the vaccines are so great and work so w
ell then why would you need everybody to have one? Can't you just get one and be fine? Your right to a vaccine doesn't extend to over ride anybody's to refuse one. Get over it
Who advocate for vaccines are so upset when people who don't want to get them voice there opinion. Especially if said people haven't been getting the flu year after year. I am not going to debate whether they are useful or worth it as there is far from enough complete information to drawer a valid conclusion. Both sides twist facts to push the agenda. I was always raised to get plenty of rest and eat right and get plenty of fresh air and so far that has worked pretty well. I don't like the idea of somebody I don't know injecting a substance I don't know into my body. Period.
Plus if the vaccines are so great and work so w
ell then why would you need everybody to have one? Can't you just get one and be fine? Your right to a vaccine doesn't extend to over ride anybody's to refuse one. Get over it
I think it's because the people who advocate against it usually say ridiculous things like your last sentence, and try to pass it off as common sense that everyone should know and understand.
Your only argument in favor of not getting the flu shot is 'I don't trust the companies who develop it', and even that's just a gut feeling with no basis behind it. When people start posting absolute nonsense ("filled with metals" and videos back to DDT testing in the 40s), well, that's when they get made fun of.
It's not just vaccines - stupid posts get ridiculed, that's just how it is.
There are debatable medical practices, but IMO, flu vaccine is not one of them.
I feel for those who cannot get one because of legitimate medical reasons and are put at risk by people who foolishly (IMO) refuse to get one. Don’t feel bad for the fools.
Who advocate for vaccines are so upset when people who don't want to get them voice there opinion. Especially if said people haven't been getting the flu year after year. I am not going to debate whether they are useful or worth it as there is far from enough complete information to drawer a valid conclusion. Both sides twist facts to push the agenda. I was always raised to get plenty of rest and eat right and get plenty of fresh air and so far that has worked pretty well. I don't like the idea of somebody I don't know injecting a substance I don't know into my body. Period.
Plus if the vaccines are so great and work so w
ell then why would you need everybody to have one? Can't you just get one and be fine? Your right to a vaccine doesn't extend to over ride anybody's to refuse one. Get over it
Are you familiar with the concept of herd immunity? I got mine last week and now I shit kryptonite. (Half of the previous sentence is true.)
did some reading about history of infectious diseases and vaccines.
I hope some of you who decide "I've never had the flu I'm not going to mess with what works" don't have kids, because unfortunately their immune systems are not as strong as adults and they are usually more exposed and susceptible, especially once they reach school age.
What was the typical prototype of a polio victim? Healthy, active, "breathes fresh air", clean, etc. how many people do you hear abut getting polio today. In fact, some theories say because people became "too clean" is what helped polio spread, children were no longer exposed to polio viruses as infants, and therefore had no antibodies against it.
What about smallpox? There were half a million people dying each year due to smallpox. How much do you hear about smallpox today?
You can't "pray" these diseases way.
and influenza was far more deadly than polio.
Why do you think you rarely hear about measles cases today anywhere except underdeveloped countries in Africa and Asia?
The measles vaccine was introduced in the late 60's. In 1980 worldwide over 2.5M people died from it, in 1990 it was around half a million and by 2014 that number globally is down to around 75,000. How do you think that happened? fresh air and vitamins?
Why do you think many of these diseases are no longer the epidemics they once were? People getting a lot of fresh air?
If it was just you, the individual, at risk, no one would care, it would be Darwinian if you personally contracted the disease and died, but as others have mentioned, you, being ignorant, puts others who are more susceptible at greater risk.
There is a lot that pharma companies due that is reprehensible and downright disgusting. Vaccines is not that.
there is a *huge* and serious outbreak of measles going on in NY. Other places as well, including Italy and Israel (which is where the NY outbreak began). Every single person who gets measles has to not only be tested and treated but every person they have come into contact with has to be investigated. The health consequences are layered on top of massive numbers of manpower and testing costs. It's huge economically. And to a large degree, it is due to villains like gmenatlarge et al.
did some reading about history of infectious diseases and vaccines.
I hope some of you who decide "I've never had the flu I'm not going to mess with what works" don't have kids, because unfortunately their immune systems are not as strong as adults and they are usually more exposed and susceptible, especially once they reach school age.
What was the typical prototype of a polio victim? Healthy, active, "breathes fresh air", clean, etc. how many people do you hear abut getting polio today. In fact, some theories say because people became "too clean" is what helped polio spread, children were no longer exposed to polio viruses as infants, and therefore had no antibodies against it.
What about smallpox? There were half a million people dying each year due to smallpox. How much do you hear about smallpox today?
You can't "pray" these diseases way.
and influenza was far more deadly than polio.
Why do you think you rarely hear about measles cases today anywhere except underdeveloped countries in Africa and Asia?
The measles vaccine was introduced in the late 60's. In 1980 worldwide over 2.5M people died from it, in 1990 it was around half a million and by 2014 that number globally is down to around 75,000. How do you think that happened? fresh air and vitamins?
Why do you think many of these diseases are no longer the epidemics they once were? People getting a lot of fresh air?
If it was just you, the individual, at risk, no one would care, it would be Darwinian if you personally contracted the disease and died, but as others have mentioned, you, being ignorant, puts others who are more susceptible at greater risk.
There is a lot that pharma companies due that is reprehensible and downright disgusting. Vaccines is not that.
How much of these lowering of cases is do to modern sanitation practices and how much is due to the vaccines? Im pretty sure the sanitation and waste management in other places like Africa is laughable at best, not so much in America. Many European countries are very against vaccinations and have seen a similar decline in outbreaks? Why? Probably a combination of many things, vaccination being one of them but not the silver bullet.
My problem is not with people getting vaccines, its the belief (of some) that everyone should get them. You don't have to like my opinion and I don't have to like yours but neither way gives either one of us to force their own opinion on the other.
and where did you get your death totals from measles? IDSA show 259 deaths from 1987-1992. So your numbers seem to be off a little. Which makes me wonder what other numbers are off.
come from the WHO and CDC. My numbers are global, are yours?
Here is a blurb from WHO website:
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...Measles is a highly contagious, serious disease caused by a virus. Before the introduction of measles vaccine in 1963 and widespread vaccination, major epidemics occurred approximately every 2–3 years and measles caused an estimated 2.6 million deaths each year.
Approximately 89,780 people died from measles in 2016 – mostly children under the age of 5 years, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine.
Measles is caused by a virus in the paramyxovirus family and it is normally passed through direct contact and through the air. The virus infects the respiratory tract, then spreads throughout the body. Measles is a human disease and is not known to occur in animals.
Accelerated immunization activities have had a major impact on reducing measles deaths. During 2000–2016, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 20.4 million deaths. Global measles deaths have decreased by 84% from an estimated 550,100 in 2000* to 89,780 in 2016....
and attached is a link to the CDC documentation on measles
And, to be clear, whether or not you wish to get a vaccination is an individual right; whether or not vaccines are effective or protective is not the stuff of equal but differing opinions at all.
And, to be clear, whether or not you wish to get a vaccination is an individual right; whether or not vaccines are effective or protective is not the stuff of equal but differing opinions at all.
If you read what i wrote you can see i was not arguing whether they are effective. They are clearly somewhat effective. My contention is to show me some conclusive evidence that the vaccines are the ONLY reason for the decline in those numbers. Most of the people who die from these diseases come from 3rd world countries where there is limited food and potable water. That is more of a problem than not being vaccinated. This can be easily seen by the fact that in countries that are against vaccinations like France the death totals still remain low. Absolutely have a higher infection rate than countries that vaccinate, yes, But at what cost? Some children have adverse effects to vaccinations including death. And before the counter argument is made that it is rare and that its hard to say definitively that is the only reason for a person dying, I agree. But would you also be willing to agree that putting all your stock into vaccines as being the only reason for people not dying of diseases faulty as well? Cant have it both ways.
And if we want to worry about a problem we can all agree on here are some numbers that should be alarming.
The United Nations estimated last year 25,000 people still die of hunger daily. That means more than 9.1 million people die of hunger every year.
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And, to be clear, whether or not you wish to get a vaccination is an individual right; whether or not vaccines are effective or protective is not the stuff of equal but differing opinions at all.
If you read what i wrote you can see i was not arguing whether they are effective. They are clearly somewhat effective. My contention is to show me some conclusive evidence that the vaccines are the ONLY reason for the decline in those numbers. Most of the people who die from these diseases come from 3rd world countries where there is limited food and potable water. That is more of a problem than not being vaccinated. This can be easily seen by the fact that in countries that are against vaccinations like France the death totals still remain low. Absolutely have a higher infection rate than countries that vaccinate, yes, But at what cost? Some children have adverse effects to vaccinations including death. And before the counter argument is made that it is rare and that its hard to say definitively that is the only reason for a person dying, I agree. But would you also be willing to agree that putting all your stock into vaccines as being the only reason for people not dying of diseases faulty as well? Cant have it both ways.
And if we want to worry about a problem we can all agree on here are some numbers that should be alarming.
The United Nations estimated last year 25,000 people still die of hunger daily. That means more than 9.1 million people die of hunger every year.
It's not hard to find disease incidence numbers before and after the introduction of vaccines *in the same country*. I can pretty much tell you that there is no smallpox in the world anymore due to reasons other than installing as Brita.
I was scheduled to get my flu shot yesterday (mandated by my employer) but I was home nursing the flu and 102 fever (going on 4 days now). My fiance who had her flu shot in early September has not caught this from me and I've taken zero precautions to keep from spreading it... So for the first time in my life I actually believe the flu shot works. Everyone go get your flu shot, the flu sucks
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And, to be clear, whether or not you wish to get a vaccination is an individual right; whether or not vaccines are effective or protective is not the stuff of equal but differing opinions at all.
If you read what i wrote you can see i was not arguing whether they are effective. They are clearly somewhat effective. My contention is to show me some conclusive evidence that the vaccines are the ONLY reason for the decline in those numbers. Most of the people who die from these diseases come from 3rd world countries where there is limited food and potable water. That is more of a problem than not being vaccinated. This can be easily seen by the fact that in countries that are against vaccinations like France the death totals still remain low. Absolutely have a higher infection rate than countries that vaccinate, yes, But at what cost? Some children have adverse effects to vaccinations including death. And before the counter argument is made that it is rare and that its hard to say definitively that is the only reason for a person dying, I agree. But would you also be willing to agree that putting all your stock into vaccines as being the only reason for people not dying of diseases faulty as well? Cant have it both ways.
And if we want to worry about a problem we can all agree on here are some numbers that should be alarming.
The United Nations estimated last year 25,000 people still die of hunger daily. That means more than 9.1 million people die of hunger every year.
It's not hard to find disease incidence numbers before and after the introduction of vaccines *in the same country*. I can pretty much tell you that there is no smallpox in the world anymore due to reasons other than installing as Brita.
While I have conceded that i'm not trying to argue against the fact that vaccines are effective in slowing the spread of diseases. Many seem to hold steadfast in the proclamation that they are the solution to all the worlds problems when it comes to sickness. My stance remains and will always remain that they too also carry an inherent risk of side effects. Whether it be immediately after getting them or long term effects later. This does not make them bad but IMO makes them not right for me. Can you tell me how many people have died or had adverse effects from getting vaccines? The numbers are also lower than what is being reported as its a direct conflict of interest for someone who would make a living off giving vaccines to report something bad happening after giving one.
So we stand on opposite sides of the fence. Again I am not anti vaccine. I have gotten vaccines as a child but now i do not see the point as an adult. I think we are over vaccinating and doing just as much damage as what these diseases would be doing. Just my opinion
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And, to be clear, whether or not you wish to get a vaccination is an individual right; whether or not vaccines are effective or protective is not the stuff of equal but differing opinions at all.
If you read what i wrote you can see i was not arguing whether they are effective. They are clearly somewhat effective. My contention is to show me some conclusive evidence that the vaccines are the ONLY reason for the decline in those numbers. Most of the people who die from these diseases come from 3rd world countries where there is limited food and potable water. That is more of a problem than not being vaccinated. This can be easily seen by the fact that in countries that are against vaccinations like France the death totals still remain low. Absolutely have a higher infection rate than countries that vaccinate, yes, But at what cost? Some children have adverse effects to vaccinations including death. And before the counter argument is made that it is rare and that its hard to say definitively that is the only reason for a person dying, I agree. But would you also be willing to agree that putting all your stock into vaccines as being the only reason for people not dying of diseases faulty as well? Cant have it both ways.
And if we want to worry about a problem we can all agree on here are some numbers that should be alarming.
The United Nations estimated last year 25,000 people still die of hunger daily. That means more than 9.1 million people die of hunger every year.
It's not hard to find disease incidence numbers before and after the introduction of vaccines *in the same country*. I can pretty much tell you that there is no smallpox in the world anymore due to reasons other than installing as Brita.
While I have conceded that i'm not trying to argue against the fact that vaccines are effective in slowing the spread of diseases. Many seem to hold steadfast in the proclamation that they are the solution to all the worlds problems when it comes to sickness. My stance remains and will always remain that they too also carry an inherent risk of side effects. Whether it be immediately after getting them or long term effects later. This does not make them bad but IMO makes them not right for me. Can you tell me how many people have died or had adverse effects from getting vaccines? The numbers are also lower than what is being reported as its a direct conflict of interest for someone who would make a living off giving vaccines to report something bad happening after giving one.
So we stand on opposite sides of the fence. Again I am not anti vaccine. I have gotten vaccines as a child but now i do not see the point as an adult. I think we are over vaccinating and doing just as much damage as what these diseases would be doing. Just my opinion
You're pitching this as a cost/benefit analysis tradeoff, but do you have numbers to support your opinion?
"I don't like the idea of somebody I don't know injecting a substance I don't know into my body. Period. "
Oh please (to him, not you)....you bring billions of substances of unknown origin into your body every single day of your life.
yeah, but you don't inject them into your bloodstream, bypassing the body's natural filters. So now you're calling people "villains" how utterly ridiculous! You are taking this awful personal and then say you don't work for a pharma which I highly doubt. Calling someone a name doesn't delegitimize them as you and others of your ilk would like to imagine.
"I don't like the idea of somebody I don't know injecting a substance I don't know into my body. Period. "
Oh please (to him, not you)....you bring billions of substances of unknown origin into your body every single day of your life.
yeah, but you don't inject them into your bloodstream, bypassing the body's natural filters. So now you're calling people "villains" how utterly ridiculous! You are taking this awful personal and then say you don't work for a pharma which I highly doubt. Calling someone a name doesn't delegitimize them as you and others of your ilk would like to imagine.
You assume that people who are in favor of vaccines work for "a pharma?" I don't work for "a pharma." I think, in general, everyone should get vaccinated.
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Same here, less than 10% efficacy last year and full of toxic metals.
This post is unadulterated bullshit and dangerous to anyone dumb enough to believe the ravings of scurrilous people.
Those are facts so use whatever BS adjectives you want but try disputing that Big Pharma boy!
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Same here, less than 10% efficacy last year and full of toxic metals.
This post is unadulterated bullshit and dangerous to anyone dumb enough to believe the ravings of scurrilous people.
Those are facts so use whatever BS adjectives you want but try disputing that Big Pharma boy!
The CDC itself admitted to the 10% efficacy and aluminum (toxic metal) and occasionally mercury are used as adjuvants in thE flu vaccine. But again I didn’t advise anyone not to get just not for me. So you can continue to cast aspersions but the facts don’t change.
Now, because cdc doesn’t list fantasies, tell me what “toxins” were loaded into the flu vaccine.
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Same here, less than 10% efficacy last year and full of toxic metals.
This post is unadulterated bullshit and dangerous to anyone dumb enough to believe the ravings of scurrilous people.
Those are facts so use whatever BS adjectives you want but try disputing that Big Pharma boy!
The CDC itself admitted to the 10% efficacy and aluminum (toxic metal) and occasionally mercury are used as adjuvants in thE flu vaccine. But again I didn’t advise anyone not to get just not for me. So you can continue to cast aspersions but the facts don’t change.
Aluminum hydroxide is a salt. That is the adjuvant used in almost every human vaccine ever. Decades of safety profiles.
Aluminum is tin foil which you have on your head.
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Same here, less than 10% efficacy last year and full of toxic metals.
This post is unadulterated bullshit and dangerous to anyone dumb enough to believe the ravings of scurrilous people.
Those are facts so use whatever BS adjectives you want but try disputing that Big Pharma boy!
The CDC itself admitted to the 10% efficacy and aluminum (toxic metal) and occasionally mercury are used as adjuvants in thE flu vaccine. But again I didn’t advise anyone not to get just not for me. So you can continue to cast aspersions but the facts don’t change.
Aluminum hydroxide is a salt. That is the adjuvant used in almost every human vaccine ever. Decades of safety profiles.
Aluminum is tin foil which you have on your head.
That is nonsense
And tell what an adjuvant is anyway.
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Same here, less than 10% efficacy last year and full of toxic metals.
This post is unadulterated bullshit and dangerous to anyone dumb enough to believe the ravings of scurrilous people.
Those are facts so use whatever BS adjectives you want but try disputing that Big Pharma boy!
The CDC itself admitted to the 10% efficacy and aluminum (toxic metal) and occasionally mercury are used as adjuvants in thE flu vaccine. But again I didn’t advise anyone not to get just not for me. So you can continue to cast aspersions but the facts don’t change.
Aluminum hydroxide is a salt. That is the adjuvant used in almost every human vaccine ever. Decades of safety profiles.
Aluminum is tin foil which you have on your head.
That is nonsense
If
T’s An aluminum salt and there is still mercury in some flu shots and it is a fact that last years flu shot was less than 10% effective (CDC).
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Same here, less than 10% efficacy last year and full of toxic metals.
This post is unadulterated bullshit and dangerous to anyone dumb enough to believe the ravings of scurrilous people.
Those are facts so use whatever BS adjectives you want but try disputing that Big Pharma boy!
The CDC itself admitted to the 10% efficacy and aluminum (toxic metal) and occasionally mercury are used as adjuvants in thE flu vaccine. But again I didn’t advise anyone not to get just not for me. So you can continue to cast aspersions but the facts don’t change.
Aluminum hydroxide is a salt. That is the adjuvant used in almost every human vaccine ever. Decades of safety profiles.
Aluminum is tin foil which you have on your head.
That is nonsense
If
T’s An aluminum salt and there is still mercury in some flu shots and it is a fact that last years flu shot was less than 10% effective (CDC).
And aluminum salt is a toxin
And I should correct myself in the Alum in not really a salt but it does form salts in acidic solutions. It’s certainly not a metal and it’s not aluminum. It’s incorrect and disingenuous to say that the flu shots contain aluminum.
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Same here, less than 10% efficacy last year and full of toxic metals.
This post is unadulterated bullshit and dangerous to anyone dumb enough to believe the ravings of scurrilous people.
Those are facts so use whatever BS adjectives you want but try disputing that Big Pharma boy!
The CDC itself admitted to the 10% efficacy and aluminum (toxic metal) and occasionally mercury are used as adjuvants in thE flu vaccine. But again I didn’t advise anyone not to get just not for me. So you can continue to cast aspersions but the facts don’t change.
Aluminum hydroxide is a salt. That is the adjuvant used in almost every human vaccine ever. Decades of safety profiles.
Aluminum is tin foil which you have on your head.
That is nonsense
If
T’s An aluminum salt and there is still mercury in some flu shots and it is a fact that last years flu shot was less than 10% effective (CDC).
And aluminum salt is a toxin
And this years shot contains thimerasol (mercury)
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I'll pass
Same here, less than 10% efficacy last year and full of toxic metals.
This post is unadulterated bullshit and dangerous to anyone dumb enough to believe the ravings of scurrilous people.
Those are facts so use whatever BS adjectives you want but try disputing that Big Pharma boy!
The CDC itself admitted to the 10% efficacy and aluminum (toxic metal) and occasionally mercury are used as adjuvants in thE flu vaccine. But again I didn’t advise anyone not to get just not for me. So you can continue to cast aspersions but the facts don’t change.
Aluminum hydroxide is a salt. That is the adjuvant used in almost every human vaccine ever. Decades of safety profiles.
Aluminum is tin foil which you have on your head.
That is nonsense
If
T’s An aluminum salt and there is still mercury in some flu shots and it is a fact that last years flu shot was less than 10% effective (CDC).
And aluminum salt is a toxin
And this years shot contains thimerasol (mercury)
And I’m not the one here telling people what to do, just said it’s not for me, so you can just keep marching to Big Pharma’s orders, I’ll pass.
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Same here, less than 10% efficacy last year and full of toxic metals.
What a moron.
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Thimerosol is not in the flu vaccines you get. It is used in multi-dose vials which isn’t the kind most people get. Plus thimerosol is harmless.
Thimerasol is a form of mercury and pretty far from harmless. Listen you guys just keep getting your flu shots. But you might notice which side is attacking and calling people names. If you think that’s the thing to do go right ahead, but you’re the ones taking this personally, not me. So which Pharma do you work for.
Mercury and organic mercury are very different things. And thinerosol in vaccines is harmless. Or, provide the evidence which says that it is harmful. I can redirect you to cdc (and other medical sites) to support the lack of toxicity in vaccines. And, like I said, it’s not in the flu vaccine you would get.
Same here, only last year I got the flu. It was a miserable week, with a fever from Thursday to Monday, but I'm still not getting the shot.
Doing the opposite of whatever Stan does is probably a pretty safe way to go about things.
As an American it's your right not to believe science, but it's societies duty to call you out for that, especially when your ignorance has the potential to impact the rational and responsible members of society.
Not worth it.
Plus if the vaccines are so great and work so w
ell then why would you need everybody to have one? Can't you just get one and be fine? Your right to a vaccine doesn't extend to over ride anybody's to refuse one. Get over it
You like to use scutrrilous, I don’t think it means what you think it means.
Plus if the vaccines are so great and work so w
ell then why would you need everybody to have one? Can't you just get one and be fine? Your right to a vaccine doesn't extend to over ride anybody's to refuse one. Get over it
I think it's because the people who advocate against it usually say ridiculous things like your last sentence, and try to pass it off as common sense that everyone should know and understand.
Your only argument in favor of not getting the flu shot is 'I don't trust the companies who develop it', and even that's just a gut feeling with no basis behind it. When people start posting absolute nonsense ("filled with metals" and videos back to DDT testing in the 40s), well, that's when they get made fun of.
It's not just vaccines - stupid posts get ridiculed, that's just how it is.
I feel for those who cannot get one because of legitimate medical reasons and are put at risk by people who foolishly (IMO) refuse to get one. Don’t feel bad for the fools.
Not worth it.
Not worth it to spend 5 minutes to double your chance of not getting the flu? How is that, exactly?
another anti-vaxxer reaffirming my decision to get one
Plus if the vaccines are so great and work so w
ell then why would you need everybody to have one? Can't you just get one and be fine? Your right to a vaccine doesn't extend to over ride anybody's to refuse one. Get over it
Are you familiar with the concept of herd immunity? I got mine last week and now I shit kryptonite. (Half of the previous sentence is true.)
I hope some of you who decide "I've never had the flu I'm not going to mess with what works" don't have kids, because unfortunately their immune systems are not as strong as adults and they are usually more exposed and susceptible, especially once they reach school age.
What was the typical prototype of a polio victim? Healthy, active, "breathes fresh air", clean, etc. how many people do you hear abut getting polio today. In fact, some theories say because people became "too clean" is what helped polio spread, children were no longer exposed to polio viruses as infants, and therefore had no antibodies against it.
What about smallpox? There were half a million people dying each year due to smallpox. How much do you hear about smallpox today?
You can't "pray" these diseases way.
and influenza was far more deadly than polio.
Why do you think you rarely hear about measles cases today anywhere except underdeveloped countries in Africa and Asia?
The measles vaccine was introduced in the late 60's. In 1980 worldwide over 2.5M people died from it, in 1990 it was around half a million and by 2014 that number globally is down to around 75,000. How do you think that happened? fresh air and vitamins?
Why do you think many of these diseases are no longer the epidemics they once were? People getting a lot of fresh air?
If it was just you, the individual, at risk, no one would care, it would be Darwinian if you personally contracted the disease and died, but as others have mentioned, you, being ignorant, puts others who are more susceptible at greater risk.
There is a lot that pharma companies due that is reprehensible and downright disgusting. Vaccines is not that.
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Harmful, are the worst of the scurrilous.
You like to use scutrrilous, I don’t think it means what you think it means.
Oh please (to him, not you)....you bring billions of substances of unknown origin into your body every single day of your life.
I hope some of you who decide "I've never had the flu I'm not going to mess with what works" don't have kids, because unfortunately their immune systems are not as strong as adults and they are usually more exposed and susceptible, especially once they reach school age.
What was the typical prototype of a polio victim? Healthy, active, "breathes fresh air", clean, etc. how many people do you hear abut getting polio today. In fact, some theories say because people became "too clean" is what helped polio spread, children were no longer exposed to polio viruses as infants, and therefore had no antibodies against it.
What about smallpox? There were half a million people dying each year due to smallpox. How much do you hear about smallpox today?
You can't "pray" these diseases way.
and influenza was far more deadly than polio.
Why do you think you rarely hear about measles cases today anywhere except underdeveloped countries in Africa and Asia?
The measles vaccine was introduced in the late 60's. In 1980 worldwide over 2.5M people died from it, in 1990 it was around half a million and by 2014 that number globally is down to around 75,000. How do you think that happened? fresh air and vitamins?
Why do you think many of these diseases are no longer the epidemics they once were? People getting a lot of fresh air?
If it was just you, the individual, at risk, no one would care, it would be Darwinian if you personally contracted the disease and died, but as others have mentioned, you, being ignorant, puts others who are more susceptible at greater risk.
There is a lot that pharma companies due that is reprehensible and downright disgusting. Vaccines is not that.
How much of these lowering of cases is do to modern sanitation practices and how much is due to the vaccines? Im pretty sure the sanitation and waste management in other places like Africa is laughable at best, not so much in America. Many European countries are very against vaccinations and have seen a similar decline in outbreaks? Why? Probably a combination of many things, vaccination being one of them but not the silver bullet.
My problem is not with people getting vaccines, its the belief (of some) that everyone should get them. You don't have to like my opinion and I don't have to like yours but neither way gives either one of us to force their own opinion on the other.
and where did you get your death totals from measles? IDSA show 259 deaths from 1987-1992. So your numbers seem to be off a little. Which makes me wonder what other numbers are off.
Here is a blurb from WHO website:
Approximately 89,780 people died from measles in 2016 – mostly children under the age of 5 years, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine.
Measles is caused by a virus in the paramyxovirus family and it is normally passed through direct contact and through the air. The virus infects the respiratory tract, then spreads throughout the body. Measles is a human disease and is not known to occur in animals.
Accelerated immunization activities have had a major impact on reducing measles deaths. During 2000–2016, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 20.4 million deaths. Global measles deaths have decreased by 84% from an estimated 550,100 in 2000* to 89,780 in 2016....
and attached is a link to the CDC documentation on measles
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And not wearing furs or having a vestigial tail.
And, to be clear, whether or not you wish to get a vaccination is an individual right; whether or not vaccines are effective or protective is not the stuff of equal but differing opinions at all.
And not wearing furs or having a vestigial tail.
And, to be clear, whether or not you wish to get a vaccination is an individual right; whether or not vaccines are effective or protective is not the stuff of equal but differing opinions at all.
If you read what i wrote you can see i was not arguing whether they are effective. They are clearly somewhat effective. My contention is to show me some conclusive evidence that the vaccines are the ONLY reason for the decline in those numbers. Most of the people who die from these diseases come from 3rd world countries where there is limited food and potable water. That is more of a problem than not being vaccinated. This can be easily seen by the fact that in countries that are against vaccinations like France the death totals still remain low. Absolutely have a higher infection rate than countries that vaccinate, yes, But at what cost? Some children have adverse effects to vaccinations including death. And before the counter argument is made that it is rare and that its hard to say definitively that is the only reason for a person dying, I agree. But would you also be willing to agree that putting all your stock into vaccines as being the only reason for people not dying of diseases faulty as well? Cant have it both ways.
And if we want to worry about a problem we can all agree on here are some numbers that should be alarming.
The United Nations estimated last year 25,000 people still die of hunger daily. That means more than 9.1 million people die of hunger every year.
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And not wearing furs or having a vestigial tail.
And, to be clear, whether or not you wish to get a vaccination is an individual right; whether or not vaccines are effective or protective is not the stuff of equal but differing opinions at all.
If you read what i wrote you can see i was not arguing whether they are effective. They are clearly somewhat effective. My contention is to show me some conclusive evidence that the vaccines are the ONLY reason for the decline in those numbers. Most of the people who die from these diseases come from 3rd world countries where there is limited food and potable water. That is more of a problem than not being vaccinated. This can be easily seen by the fact that in countries that are against vaccinations like France the death totals still remain low. Absolutely have a higher infection rate than countries that vaccinate, yes, But at what cost? Some children have adverse effects to vaccinations including death. And before the counter argument is made that it is rare and that its hard to say definitively that is the only reason for a person dying, I agree. But would you also be willing to agree that putting all your stock into vaccines as being the only reason for people not dying of diseases faulty as well? Cant have it both ways.
And if we want to worry about a problem we can all agree on here are some numbers that should be alarming.
The United Nations estimated last year 25,000 people still die of hunger daily. That means more than 9.1 million people die of hunger every year.
It's not hard to find disease incidence numbers before and after the introduction of vaccines *in the same country*. I can pretty much tell you that there is no smallpox in the world anymore due to reasons other than installing as Brita.
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And not wearing furs or having a vestigial tail.
And, to be clear, whether or not you wish to get a vaccination is an individual right; whether or not vaccines are effective or protective is not the stuff of equal but differing opinions at all.
If you read what i wrote you can see i was not arguing whether they are effective. They are clearly somewhat effective. My contention is to show me some conclusive evidence that the vaccines are the ONLY reason for the decline in those numbers. Most of the people who die from these diseases come from 3rd world countries where there is limited food and potable water. That is more of a problem than not being vaccinated. This can be easily seen by the fact that in countries that are against vaccinations like France the death totals still remain low. Absolutely have a higher infection rate than countries that vaccinate, yes, But at what cost? Some children have adverse effects to vaccinations including death. And before the counter argument is made that it is rare and that its hard to say definitively that is the only reason for a person dying, I agree. But would you also be willing to agree that putting all your stock into vaccines as being the only reason for people not dying of diseases faulty as well? Cant have it both ways.
And if we want to worry about a problem we can all agree on here are some numbers that should be alarming.
The United Nations estimated last year 25,000 people still die of hunger daily. That means more than 9.1 million people die of hunger every year.
It's not hard to find disease incidence numbers before and after the introduction of vaccines *in the same country*. I can pretty much tell you that there is no smallpox in the world anymore due to reasons other than installing as Brita.
While I have conceded that i'm not trying to argue against the fact that vaccines are effective in slowing the spread of diseases. Many seem to hold steadfast in the proclamation that they are the solution to all the worlds problems when it comes to sickness. My stance remains and will always remain that they too also carry an inherent risk of side effects. Whether it be immediately after getting them or long term effects later. This does not make them bad but IMO makes them not right for me. Can you tell me how many people have died or had adverse effects from getting vaccines? The numbers are also lower than what is being reported as its a direct conflict of interest for someone who would make a living off giving vaccines to report something bad happening after giving one.
So we stand on opposite sides of the fence. Again I am not anti vaccine. I have gotten vaccines as a child but now i do not see the point as an adult. I think we are over vaccinating and doing just as much damage as what these diseases would be doing. Just my opinion
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in general.
And not wearing furs or having a vestigial tail.
And, to be clear, whether or not you wish to get a vaccination is an individual right; whether or not vaccines are effective or protective is not the stuff of equal but differing opinions at all.
If you read what i wrote you can see i was not arguing whether they are effective. They are clearly somewhat effective. My contention is to show me some conclusive evidence that the vaccines are the ONLY reason for the decline in those numbers. Most of the people who die from these diseases come from 3rd world countries where there is limited food and potable water. That is more of a problem than not being vaccinated. This can be easily seen by the fact that in countries that are against vaccinations like France the death totals still remain low. Absolutely have a higher infection rate than countries that vaccinate, yes, But at what cost? Some children have adverse effects to vaccinations including death. And before the counter argument is made that it is rare and that its hard to say definitively that is the only reason for a person dying, I agree. But would you also be willing to agree that putting all your stock into vaccines as being the only reason for people not dying of diseases faulty as well? Cant have it both ways.
And if we want to worry about a problem we can all agree on here are some numbers that should be alarming.
The United Nations estimated last year 25,000 people still die of hunger daily. That means more than 9.1 million people die of hunger every year.
It's not hard to find disease incidence numbers before and after the introduction of vaccines *in the same country*. I can pretty much tell you that there is no smallpox in the world anymore due to reasons other than installing as Brita.
While I have conceded that i'm not trying to argue against the fact that vaccines are effective in slowing the spread of diseases. Many seem to hold steadfast in the proclamation that they are the solution to all the worlds problems when it comes to sickness. My stance remains and will always remain that they too also carry an inherent risk of side effects. Whether it be immediately after getting them or long term effects later. This does not make them bad but IMO makes them not right for me. Can you tell me how many people have died or had adverse effects from getting vaccines? The numbers are also lower than what is being reported as its a direct conflict of interest for someone who would make a living off giving vaccines to report something bad happening after giving one.
So we stand on opposite sides of the fence. Again I am not anti vaccine. I have gotten vaccines as a child but now i do not see the point as an adult. I think we are over vaccinating and doing just as much damage as what these diseases would be doing. Just my opinion
You're pitching this as a cost/benefit analysis tradeoff, but do you have numbers to support your opinion?
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"I don't like the idea of somebody I don't know injecting a substance I don't know into my body. Period. "
Oh please (to him, not you)....you bring billions of substances of unknown origin into your body every single day of your life.
yeah, but you don't inject them into your bloodstream, bypassing the body's natural filters. So now you're calling people "villains" how utterly ridiculous! You are taking this awful personal and then say you don't work for a pharma which I highly doubt. Calling someone a name doesn't delegitimize them as you and others of your ilk would like to imagine.
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"I don't like the idea of somebody I don't know injecting a substance I don't know into my body. Period. "
Oh please (to him, not you)....you bring billions of substances of unknown origin into your body every single day of your life.
yeah, but you don't inject them into your bloodstream, bypassing the body's natural filters. So now you're calling people "villains" how utterly ridiculous! You are taking this awful personal and then say you don't work for a pharma which I highly doubt. Calling someone a name doesn't delegitimize them as you and others of your ilk would like to imagine.
You assume that people who are in favor of vaccines work for "a pharma?" I don't work for "a pharma." I think, in general, everyone should get vaccinated.