Picking up this type of player off the scrap heap is fine and makes sense.
Reese would have actually drafted him 10th overall.
100% agree. This is a very low risk, high reward move (albeit .01% chance of high reward), and is something *many* GMs would have done, so trying to use this as an example of "Gettleman = Reese" sounds like reaching to me and just makes that poster look like they have a pre-determined agenda to push regardless of the circumstances.
My last post makes no sense... Reese was the GM and didn't do that. I need more coffee today.
Anyway. I'm fine with picking him up now. There's no risk. I doubt it'll pan out but there's nothing to lose.
arc, I got your point though. Reese would have definitely been more likely than Gettleman to make a move like that based on his history. The point here is though that just signing Coleman to the PS is not indicative at all of what "kind" of GM Gettlman is or will be, when there is zero risk involved any GM could do it. Hell, Coughlin just signed Ereck Flowers with first-hand knowledge that he completely sucks, but he had to do it given the Jags' OT situation and it was a very low risk move. If Flowers doesn't work out, it's not going to prove that Coughlin in fact doesn't know shit about football (as I have seen some posters ridiculously say).
arc, one thing: not sure why you had to mention that Eli Apple was a better pick than Coleman. No offense but that was the Captain Obvious statement of the day lol but I assume had to do with your low caffeine levels. That said, kudos on your early assessments of Coleman and Treadwell, I personally thought Treadwell was going to be a beast. Has not been the case in the least bit.
My last post makes no sense... Reese was the GM and didn't do that. I need more coffee today.
Anyway. I'm fine with picking him up now. There's no risk. I doubt it'll pan out but there's nothing to lose.
arc, I got your point though. Reese would have definitely been more likely than Gettleman to make a move like that based on his history. The point here is though that just signing Coleman to the PS is not indicative at all of what "kind" of GM Gettlman is or will be, when there is zero risk involved any GM could do it. Hell, Coughlin just signed Ereck Flowers with first-hand knowledge that he completely sucks, but he had to do it given the Jags' OT situation and it was a very low risk move. If Flowers doesn't work out, it's not going to prove that Coughlin in fact doesn't know shit about football (as I have seen some posters ridiculously say).
Right - that's basically what I was getting at.
Coleman was the type of prospect Reese would have targeted in the draft even though we didn't take him. He was very in love with athletes and measureables but in most cases, it didn't translate to the football field.
Players like Coleman are exactly who I want the Giants taking fliers on when it comes to the practice squad - but they're not guys I'd be looking to draft.
A move like this doesn't really say anything negative about Gettleman in my eyes.
The Eli Apple thing was just a throw in comment - since we had well-documented issues with him last year, etc. It was just a way of contrasting how even though that wasn't a great pick, it was still better than taking Coleman would have been.
Coleman would likely have been another whiff - and when you totally miss on a top 10 pick (even if it is 10th overall), it puts another major dent in the progress of the team.
Picking up this type of player off the scrap heap is fine and makes sense.
Reese would have actually drafted him 10th overall.
100% agree. This is a very low risk, high reward move (albeit .01% chance of high reward), and is something *many* GMs would have done, so trying to use this as an example of "Gettleman = Reese" sounds like reaching to me and just makes that poster look like they have a pre-determined agenda to push regardless of the circumstances.
LOL, 'they have an agenda!' says the poster while displaying his obvious agenda.
"He's a dynamic playmaker. Think Percy Harvin, that's the kind of playmaker that he is. He has a quick start and explosive speed. The only key for him is that he hasn't run a route tree. You will have to manufacture touches for him as he learns the route tree. He's special with the football in his hands." -- Mike Mayock
Picking up this type of player off the scrap heap is fine and makes sense.
Reese would have actually drafted him 10th overall.
100% agree. This is a very low risk, high reward move (albeit .01% chance of high reward), and is something *many* GMs would have done, so trying to use this as an example of "Gettleman = Reese" sounds like reaching to me and just makes that poster look like they have a pre-determined agenda to push regardless of the circumstances.
LOL, 'they have an agenda!' says the poster while displaying his obvious agenda.
Sorry, what is my agenda? Sure I have an opinion about the move, which is that it is a low-risk, high-reward, and basically "nothing" move, but I have no agenda about Gettleman one way or the other. I like some things he's done, don't like other things he's done, but believe he should be given 2-3 years before we make any ultimate judgment on him. Some posters seem to already have the pitchforks out, and that's painfully obvious when they take a relatively meaningless move and try to portray it as some sort of final indictment of the man being equivalent to Jerry Reese. That's what I mean by telegraphing a "predetermined agenda", and if it appears to you that I have one by all means call me out on it because I am not aware of it.
Lol. Gettleman literally cuts all but 2 WRs Manning has ever thrown a pass. Brings on a bunch characters who won't be in the NFL next year. And now signing a clown who couldn't last 15 days on the Patriots.
The line between rebuild and clueless looks blurry.
The Giants are going to have 4 new WRs next year, in year 2 of the rebuild. Book it.
Lol. Gettleman literally cuts all but 2 WRs Manning has ever thrown a pass. Brings on a bunch characters who won't be in the NFL next year. And now signing a clown who couldn't last 15 days on the Patriots.
The line between rebuild and clueless looks blurry.
The Giants are going to have 4 new WRs next year, in year 2 of the rebuild. Book it.
You're making a big deal out of a practice squad signing. It's worth the gamble. If he misbehaves or just flat out sucks he will be gone. There is no risk here.
Lol. Gettleman literally cuts all but 2 WRs Manning has ever thrown a pass. Brings on a bunch characters who won't be in the NFL next year. And now signing a clown who couldn't last 15 days on the Patriots.
The line between rebuild and clueless looks blurry.
The Giants are going to have 4 new WRs next year, in year 2 of the rebuild. Book it.
You're making a big deal out of a practice squad signing. It's worth the gamble. If he misbehaves or just flat out sucks he will be gone. There is no risk here.
No Jay, I'm making a general observation on the state of the Giants WRs and the GM's ability to add talent that is part of the future success of the team. Do you think Gettleman added a WR who will be on this team next year?
Even I wouldn't complain about a practice squad guy. Gettleman could sign his favorite donut delivery boy and it wouldn't bother me too much. People are getting seriously cranky. I love it.
Practice squad is pretty meaningless on its impact on winning games. Most guys will never play. Even if they do play, theyre replacement level or like 1 percent better than another marginal guy off the street.
I actually like it. Prefer taking a risk on the small a talented guy figures it out than going for a marginal talent who will never be able to win 1 on 1 battles
You can give me every freaking draft write up you want. Â
sometimes you have to handle certain players differently. coaches are psychologists. seems to be he was struggling and didn't handle it well.
practice squad might be a good way for him to ease his head into a pro mentality. wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have a guy with these tools to be your 3rd or 4th wr.
When they got rid of him, didn't they pick up Gordon?
Bellichek quote "We know a lot more about him than we did before...but again, he's a talented player"
Not saying it will work out, it's worth a PS gamble IMO.
They dropped him from the roster for Gordon, put him on the PS for 9 days before cutting bait.
Sounds like what Belichick learned wasn't very encouraging.
Gettleman effectively punted this season to clean out the roster, including ditching players who were perceived to be lazy and had attitude issues. The team shouldn't waste a breath on Coleman.
Reese would have actually drafted him 10th overall.
100% agree. This is a very low risk, high reward move (albeit .01% chance of high reward), and is something *many* GMs would have done, so trying to use this as an example of "Gettleman = Reese" sounds like reaching to me and just makes that poster look like they have a pre-determined agenda to push regardless of the circumstances.
Anyway. I'm fine with picking him up now. There's no risk. I doubt it'll pan out but there's nothing to lose.
arc, I got your point though. Reese would have definitely been more likely than Gettleman to make a move like that based on his history. The point here is though that just signing Coleman to the PS is not indicative at all of what "kind" of GM Gettlman is or will be, when there is zero risk involved any GM could do it. Hell, Coughlin just signed Ereck Flowers with first-hand knowledge that he completely sucks, but he had to do it given the Jags' OT situation and it was a very low risk move. If Flowers doesn't work out, it's not going to prove that Coughlin in fact doesn't know shit about football (as I have seen some posters ridiculously say).
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My last post makes no sense... Reese was the GM and didn't do that. I need more coffee today.
Anyway. I'm fine with picking him up now. There's no risk. I doubt it'll pan out but there's nothing to lose.
arc, I got your point though. Reese would have definitely been more likely than Gettleman to make a move like that based on his history. The point here is though that just signing Coleman to the PS is not indicative at all of what "kind" of GM Gettlman is or will be, when there is zero risk involved any GM could do it. Hell, Coughlin just signed Ereck Flowers with first-hand knowledge that he completely sucks, but he had to do it given the Jags' OT situation and it was a very low risk move. If Flowers doesn't work out, it's not going to prove that Coughlin in fact doesn't know shit about football (as I have seen some posters ridiculously say).
Right - that's basically what I was getting at.
Coleman was the type of prospect Reese would have targeted in the draft even though we didn't take him. He was very in love with athletes and measureables but in most cases, it didn't translate to the football field.
Players like Coleman are exactly who I want the Giants taking fliers on when it comes to the practice squad - but they're not guys I'd be looking to draft.
A move like this doesn't really say anything negative about Gettleman in my eyes.
Coleman would likely have been another whiff - and when you totally miss on a top 10 pick (even if it is 10th overall), it puts another major dent in the progress of the team.
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Picking up this type of player off the scrap heap is fine and makes sense.
Reese would have actually drafted him 10th overall.
100% agree. This is a very low risk, high reward move (albeit .01% chance of high reward), and is something *many* GMs would have done, so trying to use this as an example of "Gettleman = Reese" sounds like reaching to me and just makes that poster look like they have a pre-determined agenda to push regardless of the circumstances.
LOL, 'they have an agenda!' says the poster while displaying his obvious agenda.
The strength to fight through a pro CB's press. He needs a lot of time in the weight room and some excellent coaching.
At this point, I think his best position is at the slot.
"He's a dynamic playmaker. Think Percy Harvin, that's the kind of playmaker that he is. He has a quick start and explosive speed. The only key for him is that he hasn't run a route tree. You will have to manufacture touches for him as he learns the route tree. He's special with the football in his hands." -- Mike Mayock
He gives everyone else migranes.
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Picking up this type of player off the scrap heap is fine and makes sense.
Reese would have actually drafted him 10th overall.
100% agree. This is a very low risk, high reward move (albeit .01% chance of high reward), and is something *many* GMs would have done, so trying to use this as an example of "Gettleman = Reese" sounds like reaching to me and just makes that poster look like they have a pre-determined agenda to push regardless of the circumstances.
LOL, 'they have an agenda!' says the poster while displaying his obvious agenda.
Sorry, what is my agenda? Sure I have an opinion about the move, which is that it is a low-risk, high-reward, and basically "nothing" move, but I have no agenda about Gettleman one way or the other. I like some things he's done, don't like other things he's done, but believe he should be given 2-3 years before we make any ultimate judgment on him. Some posters seem to already have the pitchforks out, and that's painfully obvious when they take a relatively meaningless move and try to portray it as some sort of final indictment of the man being equivalent to Jerry Reese. That's what I mean by telegraphing a "predetermined agenda", and if it appears to you that I have one by all means call me out on it because I am not aware of it.
The line between rebuild and clueless looks blurry.
The Giants are going to have 4 new WRs next year, in year 2 of the rebuild. Book it.
The line between rebuild and clueless looks blurry.
The Giants are going to have 4 new WRs next year, in year 2 of the rebuild. Book it.
You're making a big deal out of a practice squad signing. It's worth the gamble. If he misbehaves or just flat out sucks he will be gone. There is no risk here.
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Lol. Gettleman literally cuts all but 2 WRs Manning has ever thrown a pass. Brings on a bunch characters who won't be in the NFL next year. And now signing a clown who couldn't last 15 days on the Patriots.
The line between rebuild and clueless looks blurry.
The Giants are going to have 4 new WRs next year, in year 2 of the rebuild. Book it.
You're making a big deal out of a practice squad signing. It's worth the gamble. If he misbehaves or just flat out sucks he will be gone. There is no risk here.
No Jay, I'm making a general observation on the state of the Giants WRs and the GM's ability to add talent that is part of the future success of the team. Do you think Gettleman added a WR who will be on this team next year?
Practice squad is pretty meaningless on its impact on winning games. Most guys will never play. Even if they do play, theyre replacement level or like 1 percent better than another marginal guy off the street.
I actually like it. Prefer taking a risk on the small a talented guy figures it out than going for a marginal talent who will never be able to win 1 on 1 battles
He caught 43% of his targets in two years. That's amazingly low.
practice squad might be a good way for him to ease his head into a pro mentality. wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have a guy with these tools to be your 3rd or 4th wr.
The trouble with Corey? - ( New Window )
smoke? - ( New Window )
Hue re: Coleman in his rookie year - ( New Window )
A program that fixed Randy Moss, opted for Josh Gordon, shit, that functioned with Aaron Hernandez, bailed in less than 3 weeks.
And that is why Cleveland is Cleveland (at least pre-Dorsey Borwns).
Bellichek quote "We know a lot more about him than we did before...but again, he's a talented player"
Not saying it will work out, it's worth a PS gamble IMO.
Bellichek quote "We know a lot more about him than we did before...but again, he's a talented player"
Not saying it will work out, it's worth a PS gamble IMO.
They dropped him from the roster for Gordon, put him on the PS for 9 days before cutting bait.
Sounds like what Belichick learned wasn't very encouraging.
Gettleman effectively punted this season to clean out the roster, including ditching players who were perceived to be lazy and had attitude issues. The team shouldn't waste a breath on Coleman.