I know it won't actually make anyone feel better.
But their first play from scrimmage was a carry for no gain. Then they burned a time out one play in, and on the next play, Rosen's pass was tipped, intercepted and returned for a TD.
Then they were offside on the XP.
I know some people here wanted Steve Wilks, I know a lot of people wanted Josh Rosen. (I thought he was the best QB in this class, so that includes me... )
This team is basically dead last in offense. They can't run, they can't pass.
They're an even worse version of the Giants.
I still think if we have a semi good QB in 2019, we could be really good with some hits this offseason on OL & defense.
It is what it is.
The Cards are just really, really bad. Giving that type of money to Sam Bradford was flat out moronic. The guy is a lock to get hurt every year. Throwing money at Pugh was stupid, too. He's another one who is always hurt. Sure enough...
Kirk looks like he can play. I think the end is near for Fitz.
DJ isn't the same right now. Their line sucks, but he should be more productive than this.
They have talent issues, but I think their coaches are doing a poor job as well.
Haha. I honestly don’t understand posts like this. So they’ve got a rookie at QB and that’s simply enough for you? Future drafts and free agency don’t matter?
Just weird.
So, if "hope" is all you need, can't we just draft a QB next Spring?
What good is hope when they still suck?
If we drafted Josh Rosen and looked like this while Saquon Barkley was doing what he's doing for someone else, people would just flip their argument and say Gettleman blew it anyway.
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They have hope at QB - by far the most important position on the field.
So, if "hope" is all you need, can't we just draft a QB next Spring?
What good is hope when they still suck?
If we drafted Josh Rosen and looked like this while Saquon Barkley was doing what he's doing for someone else, people would just flip their argument and say Gettleman blew it anyway.
We did draft a QB. Just not as high as people wanted.
It's almost like the thought process is college football won't make any more quarterbacks, or the Giants won't draft in the top 5 again.
I wanted Rosen but he hasn’t shown anything yet. Idk why that puts them in a better position
Arizona fans don't sound very hopeful about Rosen. If you asked them who would they rather, a superstar in Barkley or Rosen, they would say Barkley.
Probably better to simply shake ones head.
They're horrendous. Should safely be able to turn this one off by halftime.
28 points already and the 2nd quarter just started.
At least Arizona has hope!
Rosen has looked like trash. We got Barkley, who has HOF written all over him if he stays healthy. We just got to hit on our QB selection next May.
Now most want to "lose now" to get another top five shot at a quarterback. We can have our top quarterback prospect and our running back too.
And it all sort of makes sense.
He was waiving for a fair catch. No idea why that gunner dove into his legs so awkwardly like that.
He was waiving for a fair catch. No idea why that gunner dove into his legs so awkwardly like that.
Turf monster.
Who will then trade it to Denver or whoever for a king's ransom. Which means we'll get to like Bosa.
I think he took a true game changer in Saquon. I also think his logic was, if Eli is truly not done and played spectacularly w/o a finished O line as in 2011, we would compete. If he didnt, we would be in position to take a QB high this year.
Rosen has looked like trash. We got Barkley, who has HOF written all over him if he stays healthy. We just got to hit on our QB selection next May.
I can't judge Rosen just from this game. He's having a game like Eli did in 2004 against the Ravens. Welcome to the NFL Josh.
Rosen has looked like trash.
You seem to get narratives just fine.
Yea, I wont judge him playing a very tough D with a total trainwreck OL. But the talk by Rosen fans was that he was this magical QB who could transcend a bad line and make SOME plays. So far all Ive seen is that he throws a pretty good ball. Hes not very instinctive from what Ive seen.
Another tough guy commenting from his couch or toilet about the toughness of a professional football player. Hilarious.
Rosen went @10 and was 4th QB taken. But hey who needs facts. That’s like trying to make a point by referencing Lamar Jackson. What the hell does that have to do with anything, lol.
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Is playing but with a club due to a broken hand. Guy is made of glass.
Another tough guy commenting from his couch or toilet about the toughness of a professional football player. Hilarious.
I mean, by that logic, every time someone says "Flowers sucks" we could argue "he could pancake you into next Tuesday".
Wrong... They think they might of drafted their qb of the future. We know without a doubt we got our RB of the future. We are better off.
I think he took a true game changer in Saquon. I also think his logic was, if Eli is truly not done and played spectacularly w/o a finished O line as in 2011, we would compete. If he didnt, we would be in position to take a QB high this year.
Yeah, I mean that's more or less where I am at.
I think Eli is done and I think we need a QB. I just don't understand this idea people seem to have that it's like last year was our one and only chance and we missed.
QB is a position you need true conviction on. Elway just keeps whiffing trying to find Peyton's successor. You'd think he knows the position, but it doesn't make him a good evaluator and the picks and signings are really just not panning out for them.
I think Darnold can be really good. I think Mayfield has all of the tools to be an above average QB - but Cleveland was set on Mayfield and we weren't going to get him even if we wanted him.
There's not one way and one way only to fix the Giants and it was never going to happen in one swoop.
We got a tremendous player in this draft. I think saying "it's not translating to wins" is the wrong way to look at it because there's a good chance this team is still 1-5 with Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, or Josh Allen. We might actually be 0-6 with Allen or Rosen.
I think I'd be more angry if Sam Darnold looked like a truly elite player. I see solid right now with the potential to be really good. I don't think Sam Darnold is ever going to be an upper-echelon QB. But that's a different argument, I guess. Of course, it's still early.
But just drafting a QB doesn't mean a team has a plan. And Arizona looks to be a LONG ways away from being competitive again.
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this stuff happens to rookie QBs on bad teams. But to simply be happy you’ve got him is just a weird concept.
Yea, I wont judge him playing a very tough D with a total trainwreck OL. But the talk by Rosen fans was that he was this magical QB who could transcend a bad line and make SOME plays. So far all Ive seen is that he throws a pretty good ball. Hes not very instinctive from what Ive seen.
He's what he was advertised to be. Excellent at the technical aspects of playing QB and advanced for his age. He's also playing on a shit team versus a very good defensive unit.
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He'll be fine.
No one said he can’t play.
The overall point is that he's in a really bad situation there - just like any QB would be here with the offensive line we have. A rookie QB would also mean no Saquon Barkley.
So, they'd be handing the ball off to Wayne Gallman and...
Beckham doesn't look all the way back yet. Latimer is done. Engram has been hurt.
I think if we had taken any of the QB's on the board @ 2, they'd be struggling about as much as Rosen is right now.
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Is playing but with a club due to a broken hand. Guy is made of glass.
Another tough guy commenting from his couch or toilet about the toughness of a professional football player. Hilarious.
I mean, by that logic, every time someone says "Flowers sucks" we could argue "he could pancake you into next Tuesday".
Uh, no. Toughness is being questioned, not ability.
And didn't Pugh suit up tonight and play with a mangled hand?
Guy was a good player with versatility for the Giants, yet people shit on him constantly. Great "fans."
No one said he can’t play.
Who are you arguing with? Read the thread. People are acting like this game justifies not drafting him.
Haha. Gtfoh.
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Is playing but with a club due to a broken hand. Guy is made of glass.
Another tough guy commenting from his couch or toilet about the toughness of a professional football player. Hilarious.
I mean, by that logic, every time someone says "Flowers sucks" we could argue "he could pancake you into next Tuesday".
Uh, no. Toughness is being questioned, not ability.
And didn't Pugh suit up tonight and play with a mangled hand?
Guy was a good player with versatility for the Giants, yet people shit on him constantly. Great "fans."
Would you be this protective of Pugh if he went to Rutgers instead of Syracuse?
What exactly should my reaction be after watching both those throws?
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Is playing but with a club due to a broken hand. Guy is made of glass.
Another tough guy commenting from his couch or toilet about the toughness of a professional football player. Hilarious.
I mean, by that logic, every time someone says "Flowers sucks" we could argue "he could pancake you into next Tuesday".
Uh, no. Toughness is being questioned, not ability.
And didn't Pugh suit up tonight and play with a mangled hand?
Guy was a good player with versatility for the Giants, yet people shit on him constantly. Great "fans."
Would you be this protective of Pugh if he went to Rutgers instead of Syracuse?
Yup. Just like I was of Flowers for years before he clearly had no interest in playing RT. And Richburg when his bookends were garbage and a revolving door. And Fluker. Those guys didn't go to Syracuse.
Haha. Gtfoh.
I'm sure you felt very proud once you clicked submit, so I'll leave you to slap yourself on the back.
Rosen's been ok and demonstrates the same skillset he was expected to have. His footwork is great, he slides in the pocket, navigates the DT pressure up the middle rather than breaking the play, finds the open man and releases a good ball. It's not rocket science. It's just good play from someone making his 5th career start.
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showing only the middle of the field with the intention of making a point is quintessential BBI. This is what I picture when someone says, "After watching film on so-and-so..."
Haha. Gtfoh.
I'm sure you felt very proud once you clicked submit, so I'll leave you to slap yourself on the back.
Rosen's been ok and demonstrates the same skillset he was expected to have. His footwork is great, he slides in the pocket, navigates the DT pressure up the middle rather than breaking the play, finds the open man and releases a good ball. It's not rocket science. It's just good play from someone making his 5th career start.
Wrong. The point is that no one can formulate an opinion based on gifs. The kids is playing in his third game? Give him time - either way. Grainy gifs prove nothing.
What exactly should my reaction be after watching both those throws?
I don't think you're really being honest about this, or else you just have very different standards for rookies in their first 5 starts doing things with a level of competence that guys with more years in the league don't handle well. Pressure right up the middle of the field gets a lot of quarterbacks. Pocket presence isn't a given.
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showing only the middle of the field with the intention of making a point is quintessential BBI. This is what I picture when someone says, "After watching film on so-and-so..."
Haha. Gtfoh.
I'm sure you felt very proud once you clicked submit, so I'll leave you to slap yourself on the back.
Rosen's been ok and demonstrates the same skillset he was expected to have. His footwork is great, he slides in the pocket, navigates the DT pressure up the middle rather than breaking the play, finds the open man and releases a good ball. It's not rocket science. It's just good play from someone making his 5th career start.
Wrong. The point is that no one can formulate an opinion based on gifs. The kids is playing in his third game? Give him time - either way. Grainy gifs prove nothing.
>"I didn't have a point. Better just say he's wrong".
Go yell at a fire hydrant. It would make more sense than what you're doing here. I am not trying to 'prove' anything other than that he's been more than how he's playing tonight. You seem to NEED to argue something different.
Some guys, bad luck to blame, are also banged up at an early age. Toughness aside, there are injuries that don't bode well for future success, and backs fit that criteria.
Rosen is just in a terrible situation. But any QB would have been in a crappy situation here too.
Whether anyone believes in Gettleman or not, he nor any other GM were going to be able to fix this mess in one shot regardless of who they drafted back in April.
I can't very well post a full three hour game. Peyton Manning did a breakdown on Rosen on ESPN Plus, but it's behind a paywall.
It's like people don't want to hear that he hasn't been godawful all season. He's had his moments just like Darnold and Mayfield has.
Gonna do that thing where you just fill the comments box until you get the last word in?
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Great. Good job. Good effort.
Gonna do that thing where you just fill the comments box until you get the last word in?
Nah man. I think we're actually in agreement about Rosen. Which is hilarious.
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Great. Good job. Good effort.
Gonna do that thing where you just fill the comments box until you get the last word in?
Nah man. I think we're actually in agreement about Rosen. Which is hilarious.
I don't really get what you're doing then. You can object to me posting gifs if you want, but I don't have the time to scour the internet and compile a powerpoint presentation to support my claim. You can go watch the games he played. I picked two items to highlight where he's showing the things he was told to be able to handle well. I'm not trying to spin two good plays into him being Aaron Rodgers.
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To be fair, I think you’d be able to pick out a couple of 3 second clips on almost any QB where their footwork and pocket presence look right.
I can't very well post a full three hour game. Peyton Manning did a breakdown on Rosen on ESPN Plus, but it's behind a paywall.
It's like people don't want to hear that he hasn't been godawful all season. He's had his moments just like Darnold and Mayfield has.
I think most people agree it’s too early to determine anything. He’s basically set up to fail right now.
Sure, you’ll get a few dolts who have already written him off, but I’d argue that’s far from popular opinion. We’re not even at the halfway point.
I will repeat my reference to Eli in '11. He made plays despite his line not being very good at all.
Yeah that's me. Being a tough guy, having a discussion with another poster.
You're posts are watery shit. Something everyone avoids and never talks about.
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Great. Good job. Good effort.
Gonna do that thing where you just fill the comments box until you get the last word in?
Nah man. I think we're actually in agreement about Rosen. Which is hilarious.
I don't really get what you're doing then. You can object to me posting gifs if you want, but I don't have the time to scour the internet and compile a powerpoint presentation to support my claim. You can go watch the games he played. I picked two items to highlight where he's showing the things he was told to be able to handle well. I'm not trying to spin two good plays into him being Aaron Rodgers.
I don't object to you posting the gifs, I simply don't think they prove anything at all.
I will repeat my reference to Eli in '11. He made plays despite his line not being very good at all.
If you think Carson Palmer and Matt Stafford are underwhelming I think you need to watch more football. The Giants should be so lucky to have a QB right now with that kind of ability and pedigree.
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They werent spectacular plays or anything. There are plenty of quarterbacks who throw a nice ball but are underwhelming QBs when they need to make plays. Carson Palmer, Trent Green, Stafford. The thing that differentiates the real good ones is the killer instinct to do whatever is necessary to make the play. I have never gotten that from Rosen. I get that ability from Mayfield and Darnold. I also kinda get it from Herbert...from what Ive seen.
I will repeat my reference to Eli in '11. He made plays despite his line not being very good at all.
If you think Carson Palmer and Matt Stafford are underwhelming I think you need to watch more football. The Giants should be so lucky to have a QB right now with that kind of ability and pedigree.
Hahahahaha! Pedigree? Hahahahaha!
FranchiseQB? Hahahahaha!
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They werent spectacular plays or anything. There are plenty of quarterbacks who throw a nice ball but are underwhelming QBs when they need to make plays. Carson Palmer, Trent Green, Stafford. The thing that differentiates the real good ones is the killer instinct to do whatever is necessary to make the play. I have never gotten that from Rosen. I get that ability from Mayfield and Darnold. I also kinda get it from Herbert...from what Ive seen.
I will repeat my reference to Eli in '11. He made plays despite his line not being very good at all.
If you think Carson Palmer and Matt Stafford are underwhelming I think you need to watch more football. The Giants should be so lucky to have a QB right now with that kind of ability and pedigree.
Lol, oh yea?
Those guys havent won a goddamn thing. They never have been able to and you can tell why in the way they play when the moment gets big. They play scared. They overthrow. They know the pressure is coming and prepare to get sacked instead of keeping their eyes downfield.
Eli was the polar opposite in his prime. The easy throws and situations he would screw up, but when it came time to win Eli's game rose to the situation.
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They werent spectacular plays or anything. There are plenty of quarterbacks who throw a nice ball but are underwhelming QBs when they need to make plays. Carson Palmer, Trent Green, Stafford. The thing that differentiates the real good ones is the killer instinct to do whatever is necessary to make the play. I have never gotten that from Rosen. I get that ability from Mayfield and Darnold. I also kinda get it from Herbert...from what Ive seen.
I will repeat my reference to Eli in '11. He made plays despite his line not being very good at all.
If you think Carson Palmer and Matt Stafford are underwhelming I think you need to watch more football. The Giants should be so lucky to have a QB right now with that kind of ability and pedigree.
Hahahahaha! Pedigree? Hahahahaha!
FranchiseQB? Hahahahaha!
Yea I didnt realize who I was responding to...cant believe I engaged the dupe and took his response seriously.
And they have more talent on defense too.
Giants aren't looking down on anybody right now.
The point? He's a rookie making rookie mistakes.
Gifs don't prove shit.
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They werent spectacular plays or anything. There are plenty of quarterbacks who throw a nice ball but are underwhelming QBs when they need to make plays. Carson Palmer, Trent Green, Stafford. The thing that differentiates the real good ones is the killer instinct to do whatever is necessary to make the play. I have never gotten that from Rosen. I get that ability from Mayfield and Darnold. I also kinda get it from Herbert...from what Ive seen.
I will repeat my reference to Eli in '11. He made plays despite his line not being very good at all.
If you think Carson Palmer and Matt Stafford are underwhelming I think you need to watch more football. The Giants should be so lucky to have a QB right now with that kind of ability and pedigree.
Hahahahaha! Pedigree? Hahahahaha!
FranchiseQB? Hahahahaha!
Yea I didnt realize who I was responding to...cant believe I engaged the dupe and took his response seriously.
what dupe. stop being a fool. Football is not a one on one sport. If you don't think Palmer and Stafford were excellent peak QBs I think you don't know what you are looking at. There is no serious QB analyst on the planet that would bash those guys.
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They werent spectacular plays or anything. There are plenty of quarterbacks who throw a nice ball but are underwhelming QBs when they need to make plays. Carson Palmer, Trent Green, Stafford. The thing that differentiates the real good ones is the killer instinct to do whatever is necessary to make the play. I have never gotten that from Rosen. I get that ability from Mayfield and Darnold. I also kinda get it from Herbert...from what Ive seen.
I will repeat my reference to Eli in '11. He made plays despite his line not being very good at all.
If you think Carson Palmer and Matt Stafford are underwhelming I think you need to watch more football. The Giants should be so lucky to have a QB right now with that kind of ability and pedigree.
Hahahahaha! Pedigree? Hahahahaha!
FranchiseQB? Hahahahaha!
Yea I didnt realize who I was responding to...cant believe I engaged the dupe and took his response seriously.
what dupe. stop being a fool. Football is not a one on one sport. If you don't think Palmer and Stafford were excellent peak QBs I think you don't know what you are looking at. There is no serious QB analyst on the planet that would bash those guys.
Who's bashing them? Just said they werent winners and you could tell that early in their careers.
Whatever....you also might want to look up the word pedigree again.
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They werent spectacular plays or anything. There are plenty of quarterbacks who throw a nice ball but are underwhelming QBs when they need to make plays. Carson Palmer, Trent Green, Stafford. The thing that differentiates the real good ones is the killer instinct to do whatever is necessary to make the play. I have never gotten that from Rosen. I get that ability from Mayfield and Darnold. I also kinda get it from Herbert...from what Ive seen.
I will repeat my reference to Eli in '11. He made plays despite his line not being very good at all.
If you think Carson Palmer and Matt Stafford are underwhelming I think you need to watch more football. The Giants should be so lucky to have a QB right now with that kind of ability and pedigree.
Hahahahaha! Pedigree? Hahahahaha!
FranchiseQB? Hahahahaha!
Yea I didnt realize who I was responding to...cant believe I engaged the dupe and took his response seriously.
what dupe. stop being a fool. Football is not a one on one sport. If you don't think Palmer and Stafford were excellent peak QBs I think you don't know what you are looking at. There is no serious QB analyst on the planet that would bash those guys.
Who's bashing them? Just said they werent winners and you could tell that early in their careers.
Whatever....you also might want to look up the word pedigree again.
huh? are you a joker? Stafford and Palmer are two of the highest pedigree QBs to emerge from college in the last 20 years. If you are going to attempt to insult someone it would be more impressive if you knew the meaning of your insults.
And they have more talent on defense too.
Giants aren't looking down on anybody right now.
We are looking eye to eye with the raiders tho.
Second, your fabulous QBs of the last 10/20 years have amassed a total of 1 single playoff win btwn the two of them.
You probably loved Elvis Grbac and Vinny Testaverde too.
At least they're not a threat to take Herbert...though they could trade the pick for a team that wants him. Grrr.
At least they're not a threat to take Herbert...though they could trade the pick for a team that wants him. Grrr.
Second, your fabulous QBs of the last 10/20 years have amassed a total of 1 single playoff win btwn the two of them.
You probably loved Elvis Grbac and Vinny Testaverde too.
My friend, respectfully, pedigree refers to lineage and descent. It does not refer to your performance in your present state. I am sorry you are confused about the word pedigree. I suggest you look it up.
Stafford and Palmer are both NUMBER ONE PICKS who came into the league with amazing tools, and beloved by scouts. Likewise, they performed at high levels in the NFL. Palmer eventually suffered injuries and Stafford has been stuck on a poor franchise. But to compare them to Elvis Grbac and deny their pedigree is totally ignorant.
I heard you are a pedigree and had to register yourself with you local police dept.
Snap!
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But first...Eli Manning has a NFL pedigree. Jake Matthews has a NFL pedigree. So do Kyle and Chris Long. Stafford and Palmer dont. Like I said you are using the word pedigree wrong.
Second, your fabulous QBs of the last 10/20 years have amassed a total of 1 single playoff win btwn the two of them.
You probably loved Elvis Grbac and Vinny Testaverde too.
My friend, respectfully, pedigree refers to lineage and descent. It does not refer to your performance in your present state. I am sorry you are confused about the word pedigree. I suggest you look it up..
Yeah, if you're a dog
Descent. Hahahahaha.
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But first...Eli Manning has a NFL pedigree. Jake Matthews has a NFL pedigree. So do Kyle and Chris Long. Stafford and Palmer dont. Like I said you are using the word pedigree wrong.
Second, your fabulous QBs of the last 10/20 years have amassed a total of 1 single playoff win btwn the two of them.
You probably loved Elvis Grbac and Vinny Testaverde too.
My friend, respectfully, pedigree refers to lineage and descent. It does not refer to your performance in your present state. I am sorry you are confused about the word pedigree. I suggest you look it up.
Stafford and Palmer are both NUMBER ONE PICKS who came into the league with amazing tools, and beloved by scouts. Likewise, they performed at high levels in the NFL. Palmer eventually suffered injuries and Stafford has been stuck on a poor franchise. But to compare them to Elvis Grbac and deny their pedigree is totally ignorant.
::Sigh:: Here you go dipshit. Pedigree in reference to athletes refers to their family having been successful pro athletes. Go back to sleep son.
ped·i·gree
/ˈpedəˌɡrē/Submit
noun
noun: pedigree; plural noun: pedigrees
1.
the record of descent of an animal, showing it to be purebred.
a purebred animal.
2.
the recorded ancestry, especially upper-class ancestry, of a person or family.
synonyms: ancestry, descent, lineage, line (of descent), genealogy, family tree, extraction, derivation, origin(s), heritage, parentage, bloodline, dual heritage, background, roots
"a long pedigree"
the background or history of a person or thing, especially as conferring distinction or quality.
a genealogical table.
Descent. Hahahahaha.
Actually, he got that one right. Lol, sorry B.
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Like how much of a hole you've dug yourself with your nonsensical ramblings?
Descent. Hahahahaha.
Actually, he got that one right. Lol, sorry B.
Uh, yeah chop. My reference is to his hole. That he's been digging. Descent. Dropping. Moving downward. Dropping into a deep hole. Okie dokie?
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Like how much of a hole you've dug yourself with your nonsensical ramblings?
Descent. Hahahahaha.
Actually, he got that one right. Lol, sorry B.
Uh, yeah chop. My reference is to his hole. That he's been digging. Descent. Dropping. Moving downward. Dropping into a deep hole. Okie dokie?
He's more than just a hole
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But first...Eli Manning has a NFL pedigree. Jake Matthews has a NFL pedigree. So do Kyle and Chris Long. Stafford and Palmer dont. Like I said you are using the word pedigree wrong.
Second, your fabulous QBs of the last 10/20 years have amassed a total of 1 single playoff win btwn the two of them.
You probably loved Elvis Grbac and Vinny Testaverde too.
My friend, respectfully, pedigree refers to lineage and descent. It does not refer to your performance in your present state. I am sorry you are confused about the word pedigree. I suggest you look it up.
Stafford and Palmer are both NUMBER ONE PICKS who came into the league with amazing tools, and beloved by scouts. Likewise, they performed at high levels in the NFL. Palmer eventually suffered injuries and Stafford has been stuck on a poor franchise. But to compare them to Elvis Grbac and deny their pedigree is totally ignorant.
::Sigh:: Here you go dipshit. Pedigree in reference to athletes refers to their family having been successful pro athletes. Go back to sleep son.
ped·i·gree
/ˈpedəˌɡrē/Submit
noun
noun: pedigree; plural noun: pedigrees
1.
the record of descent of an animal, showing it to be purebred.
a purebred animal.
2.
the recorded ancestry, especially upper-class ancestry, of a person or family.
synonyms: ancestry, descent, lineage, line (of descent), genealogy, family tree, extraction, derivation, origin(s), heritage, parentage, bloodline, dual heritage, background, roots
"a long pedigree"
the background or history of a person or thing, especially as conferring distinction or quality.
a genealogical table.
Hey moron... when we talk about a QBs pedigree we aren't talking about their parents. They aren't quarter horses fuckwad. Stupid AND arrogant. You must be a real champ in real life.
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Like how much of a hole you've dug yourself with your nonsensical ramblings?
Descent. Hahahahaha.
Actually, he got that one right. Lol, sorry B.
Uh, yeah chop. My reference is to his hole. That he's been digging. Descent. Dropping. Moving downward. Dropping into a deep hole. Okie dokie?
He's more than just a hole
No. He's just a hole.
A little beef
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Like how much of a hole you've dug yourself with your nonsensical ramblings?
Descent. Hahahahaha.
Actually, he got that one right. Lol, sorry B.
Uh, yeah chop. My reference is to his hole. That he's been digging. Descent. Dropping. Moving downward. Dropping into a deep hole. Okie dokie?
As long as we can agree that there's no hole like your hole.
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Is playing but with a club due to a broken hand. Guy is made of glass.
Another tough guy commenting from his couch or toilet about the toughness of a professional football player. Hilarious.
I mean, by that logic, every time someone says "Flowers sucks" we could argue "he could pancake you into next Tuesday".
Uh, no. Toughness is being questioned, not ability.
And didn't Pugh suit up tonight and play with a mangled hand?
Guy was a good player with versatility for the Giants, yet people shit on him constantly. Great "fans."
B, did Pugh actually get in the game?? I know he was active, but i didnt actually see him in the game.
...watching the Cards reminds me of watching the Giants sans Saquon Barkley.
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In comment 14134918 B in ALB said:
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In comment 14134855 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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Is playing but with a club due to a broken hand. Guy is made of glass.
Another tough guy commenting from his couch or toilet about the toughness of a professional football player. Hilarious.
I mean, by that logic, every time someone says "Flowers sucks" we could argue "he could pancake you into next Tuesday".
Uh, no. Toughness is being questioned, not ability.
And didn't Pugh suit up tonight and play with a mangled hand?
Guy was a good player with versatility for the Giants, yet people shit on him constantly. Great "fans."
B, did Pugh actually get in the game?? I know he was active, but i didnt actually see him in the game.
Pugh lacked the most important ability; avail-ability.
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In comment 14134920 FStubbs said:
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In comment 14134918 B in ALB said:
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In comment 14134855 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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Is playing but with a club due to a broken hand. Guy is made of glass.
Another tough guy commenting from his couch or toilet about the toughness of a professional football player. Hilarious.
I mean, by that logic, every time someone says "Flowers sucks" we could argue "he could pancake you into next Tuesday".
Uh, no. Toughness is being questioned, not ability.
And didn't Pugh suit up tonight and play with a mangled hand?
Guy was a good player with versatility for the Giants, yet people shit on him constantly. Great "fans."
B, did Pugh actually get in the game?? I know he was active, but i didnt actually see him in the game.
Pugh lacked the most important ability; avail-ability.
Yup, Eli Manning.