If You Want to Feel any Better, Watch the Cardinals...

they are in a better place, because they drafted their qb of the future.

We suck.

I still think if we have a semi good QB in 2019, we could be really good with some hits this offseason on OL & defense.

Is playing but with a club due to a broken hand. Guy is made of glass.

I'm sure this will devolve into another QB vs. Barkley debate - but I really think no matter who we took, we were going to be bad this year. If we had taken a QB and were still 1-5, no one would be happy anyway.

It is what it is.

The Cards are just really, really bad. Giving that type of money to Sam Bradford was flat out moronic. The guy is a lock to get hurt every year. Throwing money at Pugh was stupid, too. He's another one who is always hurt. Sure enough...

Kirk looks like he can play. I think the end is near for Fitz.

DJ isn't the same right now. Their line sucks, but he should be more productive than this.

They have talent issues, but I think their coaches are doing a poor job as well.

They have hope at QB - by far the most important position on the field.

likelihood, take a QB next May.

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They have hope at QB - by far the most important position on the field.

Haha. I honestly don’t understand posts like this. So they’ve got a rookie at QB and that’s simply enough for you? Future drafts and free agency don’t matter?

Just weird.

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They have hope at QB - by far the most important position on the field.

So, if "hope" is all you need, can't we just draft a QB next Spring?

What good is hope when they still suck?

If we drafted Josh Rosen and looked like this while Saquon Barkley was doing what he's doing for someone else, people would just flip their argument and say Gettleman blew it anyway.

In comment 14134865 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 14134860 TD said: Quote: They have hope at QB - by far the most important position on the field. So, if "hope" is all you need, can't we just draft a QB next Spring? What good is hope when they still suck? If we drafted Josh Rosen and looked like this while Saquon Barkley was doing what he's doing for someone else, people would just flip their argument and say Gettleman blew it anyway.

We did draft a QB. Just not as high as people wanted.

It's almost like the thought process is college football won't make any more quarterbacks, or the Giants won't draft in the top 5 again.

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They have hope at QB - by far the most important position on the field.

I wanted Rosen but he hasn’t shown anything yet. Idk why that puts them in a better position

Another pick 6...

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They have hope at QB - by far the most important position on the field.

Arizona fans don't sound very hopeful about Rosen. If you asked them who would they rather, a superstar in Barkley or Rosen, they would say Barkley.

Not sure where to start...

Probably better to simply shake ones head.

. Games is unwatchable.

That's the Cardinals for you.

They're horrendous. Should safely be able to turn this one off by halftime.

i can't believe the line was only -1.5

Denver isn't even good. But much like us, Arizona is a "get right" matchup for most teams.

28 points already and the 2nd quarter just started.

At least Arizona has hope!

Narrative.

Rosen has looked like trash. We got Barkley, who has HOF written all over him if he stays healthy. We just got to hit on our QB selection next May.

The Front office for not listening to me and others that Rosen is the best Qb in the draft and we must get him. Smh. They are correct about missing on a high draft qb will set the franchise back years.

and Eli, who was said to have three or four more years in him.

Now most want to "lose now" to get another top five shot at a quarterback. We can have our top quarterback prospect and our running back too.

And it all sort of makes sense.

I never saw a guy fall on his own into a returner.

What the hell was that?

He was waiving for a fair catch. No idea why that gunner dove into his legs so awkwardly like that.

In comment 14134896 arcarsenal said:

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What the hell was that? He was waiving for a fair catch. No idea why that gunner dove into his legs so awkwardly like that.

Turf monster.

... it will be very, very hard for us to #SuckForDuck and get the first pick from these guys.

Who will then trade it to Denver or whoever for a king's ransom. Which means we'll get to like Bosa.

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They have hope at QB - by far the most important position on the field.

Are you drunk or really depressed? The Cardinals are an abysmal franchise right now, their GM is a drinky drinky and they hired a shitty HC. Rosen looks ok but he's OK, that's it, we have the most talented RB in the entire league and a GM that loves to build from the inside out, which is the opposite of what the last idiot did. Give it time, we will be light years better than the Cards soon.

The way I look at it (and I wanted to start a thread on this theory but knew it would be dismissed and I would wind up calling somebody's mother a whore), the Giants were not IN LOVE with any QB last year, no chance of us really moving on from Eli this year and DG really seeing the special in Barkley, I believe that he took him knowing that there would be a prospect or two this year that would match last year's group. So far only Mayfield and Darnold have been the least bit impressive. I refuse to believe the BBI horde that questions DG's ability as an FO administrator and instead think he has a plan to replace Eli. This blind faith in Eli crap is nonsense.

I think he took a true game changer in Saquon. I also think his logic was, if Eli is truly not done and played spectacularly w/o a finished O line as in 2011, we would compete. If he didnt, we would be in position to take a QB high this year.

In comment 14134890 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Narrative. Rosen has looked like trash. We got Barkley, who has HOF written all over him if he stays healthy. We just got to hit on our QB selection next May.

I can't judge Rosen just from this game. He's having a game like Eli did in 2004 against the Ravens. Welcome to the NFL Josh.

this stuff happens to rookie QBs on bad teams. But to simply be happy you’ve got him is just a weird concept.

In comment 14134890 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Narrative. Rosen has looked like trash.

You seem to get narratives just fine.

In comment 14134903 UConn4523 said:

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this stuff happens to rookie QBs on bad teams. But to simply be happy you’ve got him is just a weird concept.

Yea, I wont judge him playing a very tough D with a total trainwreck OL. But the talk by Rosen fans was that he was this magical QB who could transcend a bad line and make SOME plays. So far all Ive seen is that he throws a pretty good ball. Hes not very instinctive from what Ive seen.

In comment 14134855 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:

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Is playing but with a club due to a broken hand. Guy is made of glass.

Another tough guy commenting from his couch or toilet about the toughness of a professional football player. Hilarious.

But Rosen was never in the conversation. The only QB NYG had any interest in was Darnold and this was well reported.

Rosen went @10 and was 4th QB taken. But hey who needs facts. That’s like trying to make a point by referencing Lamar Jackson. What the hell does that have to do with anything, lol.

In comment 14134918 B in ALB said:

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In comment 14134855 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said: Quote: Is playing but with a club due to a broken hand. Guy is made of glass. Another tough guy commenting from his couch or toilet about the toughness of a professional football player. Hilarious.

I mean, by that logic, every time someone says "Flowers sucks" we could argue "he could pancake you into next Tuesday".

In comment 14134849 smshmth8690 said:

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they are in a better place, because they drafted their qb of the future.

Wrong... They think they might of drafted their qb of the future. We know without a doubt we got our RB of the future. We are better off.

In comment 14134901 chopperhatch said:

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The way I look at it (and I wanted to start a thread on this theory but knew it would be dismissed and I would wind up calling somebody's mother a whore), the Giants were not IN LOVE with any QB last year, no chance of us really moving on from Eli this year and DG really seeing the special in Barkley, I believe that he took him knowing that there would be a prospect or two this year that would match last year's group. So far only Mayfield and Darnold have been the least bit impressive. I refuse to believe the BBI horde that questions DG's ability as an FO administrator and instead think he has a plan to replace Eli. This blind faith in Eli crap is nonsense. I think he took a true game changer in Saquon. I also think his logic was, if Eli is truly not done and played spectacularly w/o a finished O line as in 2011, we would compete. If he didnt, we would be in position to take a QB high this year.

Yeah, I mean that's more or less where I am at.

I think Eli is done and I think we need a QB. I just don't understand this idea people seem to have that it's like last year was our one and only chance and we missed.

QB is a position you need true conviction on. Elway just keeps whiffing trying to find Peyton's successor. You'd think he knows the position, but it doesn't make him a good evaluator and the picks and signings are really just not panning out for them.

I think Darnold can be really good. I think Mayfield has all of the tools to be an above average QB - but Cleveland was set on Mayfield and we weren't going to get him even if we wanted him.

There's not one way and one way only to fix the Giants and it was never going to happen in one swoop.

We got a tremendous player in this draft. I think saying "it's not translating to wins" is the wrong way to look at it because there's a good chance this team is still 1-5 with Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, or Josh Allen. We might actually be 0-6 with Allen or Rosen.

I think I'd be more angry if Sam Darnold looked like a truly elite player. I see solid right now with the potential to be really good. I don't think Sam Darnold is ever going to be an upper-echelon QB. But that's a different argument, I guess. Of course, it's still early.

But just drafting a QB doesn't mean a team has a plan. And Arizona looks to be a LONG ways away from being competitive again.

Very very bad.

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In comment 14134903 UConn4523 said: Quote: this stuff happens to rookie QBs on bad teams. But to simply be happy you’ve got him is just a weird concept. Yea, I wont judge him playing a very tough D with a total trainwreck OL. But the talk by Rosen fans was that he was this magical QB who could transcend a bad line and make SOME plays. So far all Ive seen is that he throws a pretty good ball. Hes not very instinctive from what Ive seen.

He's what he was advertised to be. Excellent at the technical aspects of playing QB and advanced for his age. He's also playing on a shit team versus a very good defensive unit.

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He'll be fine.

I benched the broncos D in my fantasy league

I think we made the right decision.

the top gif he looked off his first read and stared at his second for a long time, made a good throw. The second was a nice play.

No one said he can’t play.

I don't think Rosen is a bust. It's too early to tell.

The overall point is that he's in a really bad situation there - just like any QB would be here with the offensive line we have. A rookie QB would also mean no Saquon Barkley.

So, they'd be handing the ball off to Wayne Gallman and...

Beckham doesn't look all the way back yet. Latimer is done. Engram has been hurt.

I think if we had taken any of the QB's on the board @ 2, they'd be struggling about as much as Rosen is right now.

In comment 14134920 FStubbs said:

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In comment 14134918 B in ALB said: Quote: In comment 14134855 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said: Quote: Is playing but with a club due to a broken hand. Guy is made of glass. Another tough guy commenting from his couch or toilet about the toughness of a professional football player. Hilarious. I mean, by that logic, every time someone says "Flowers sucks" we could argue "he could pancake you into next Tuesday".

Uh, no. Toughness is being questioned, not ability.

And didn't Pugh suit up tonight and play with a mangled hand?

Guy was a good player with versatility for the Giants, yet people shit on him constantly. Great "fans."

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the top gif he looked off his first read and stared at his second for a long time, made a good throw. The second was a nice play. No one said he can’t play.

Who are you arguing with? Read the thread. People are acting like this game justifies not drafting him.

I asked you a question.

He is playing for a bad team with a rookie HC. Their offensive line is not good either. He is only 21. Jared Goff looked horrible during his rookie season and now look at him. People were calling Trubisky a bust last year but he has taken a big step forward this season. I still think Rosen will be a very good QB but the Giants made the right pick.

if you can't note anything from the top gif why are we trying to rate quarterbacks There's more to it than just moving your arm back to front in an aggressive fashion.

showing only the middle of the field with the intention of making a point is quintessential BBI. This is what I picture when someone says, "After watching film on so-and-so..."

Haha. Gtfoh.

on rebuilding the offense. Johnson's great, but that line has sucked for years. They have also failed with replacing Fitz. Brown had a couple games years ago where he looked like he'd be a star, but then played poorly even when healthy. Floyd also flashed briefly and I don't remember the last time they had a TE worth a damn. Better hope Kirk pans out at least. I think Rosen was the best qb this draft, but that team stinks and they are a long way from being good again.

In comment 14134932 B in ALB said:

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In comment 14134920 FStubbs said: Quote: In comment 14134918 B in ALB said: Quote: In comment 14134855 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said: Quote: Is playing but with a club due to a broken hand. Guy is made of glass. Another tough guy commenting from his couch or toilet about the toughness of a professional football player. Hilarious. I mean, by that logic, every time someone says "Flowers sucks" we could argue "he could pancake you into next Tuesday". Uh, no. Toughness is being questioned, not ability. And didn't Pugh suit up tonight and play with a mangled hand? Guy was a good player with versatility for the Giants, yet people shit on him constantly. Great "fans."

Would you be this protective of Pugh if he went to Rutgers instead of Syracuse?