over Barkley? I’ll take one of the “mistakes” in Rosen’s words Barkley over him any day of the week. He may end up being good, but his ego and comments have done him no favors thus far.
Top 4 QB in '18 + fold the season + Top OL or Bosa.
I take Barkley every time.
Me too,every time.
If this season continues going to shit, I know I'd be in the minority but I might be at the point of saying tank for Tua in 20. Stock up big in the trenches in the upcoming draft and FA, and deal with one more year of shit.
Tough to swallow no doubt but I think I could deal with another year if it meant a decade of being a top team and hopefully even more than just that.
Picture this: the Cardinals have the 1st pick in the draft and they love Herbert. So rather than trade the pick, they trade Rosen instead. To the Giants!
Picture this: the Cardinals have the 1st pick in the draft and they love Herbert. So rather than trade the pick, they trade Rosen instead. To the Giants!
...Hope you don't expect the Giants to trade a top-5 pick for Rosen. Haha
his first year. Especially his first few starts...
Exactly, which is why I said this guy has talent. Don’t see him being the next Eli though. We’ll find a QB for the future, just glad we picked Barkley. I live in Detroit (originally from Rochester hence the NY Giants fandom) and people here are calling him the next Barry Sanders which is pretty exciting.
Eli didn't look good his first few games either. Â
Picture this: the Cardinals have the 1st pick in the draft and they love Herbert. So rather than trade the pick, they trade Rosen instead. To the Giants!
Milton.
You're awesome. Don't ever change.
RBs are in their prime from day 1 - they also don’t last very long Â
fan, but this was only his 4th fucking start. So writing him off would be foolish to say tye least.
Second, when u say his comments arent negatively affecting his career, are we talking about only the draft comments? Like when he said it was a mistake that 9 other teams passed on him?
Unless he said other things, thats a stretch to hang on those comments as problematic. Silly
Remember when everyone wanted us to draft Rosen? Â
Everybody didn't want us to draft Rosen over Barkley. Some of us wanted to draft Darnold over Barkley and some of us wanted to draft Allen over Barkley. Many of us were not the least bit interested in Rosen.
I don't think Rosen amounts to much but not because of tonight Â
Top 4 QB in '18 + fold the season + Top OL or Bosa.
I take Barkley every time.
Me too,every time.
If this season continues going to shit, I know I'd be in the minority but I might be at the point of saying tank for Tua in 20. Stock up big in the trenches in the upcoming draft and FA, and deal with one more year of shit.
Tough to swallow no doubt but I think I could deal with another year if it meant a decade of being a top team and hopefully even more than just that.
If Tua is the stud everyone thinks then why would a team that was pathetic and have the 1st pick trade him to you?
You see - I just think many of you are so clueless as to how you think it's so easy to find a QB. Yeah -- "we'll just trade for the superstar-- after all the other team that sucks can't wait to trade a a super prospect like Tua.
And if Gmen are so awful for 2 straight years posters such as yourself will say "We need more thna the QB."
For a while Rosen was the front runner, but there was a lot of concern about his concussions. Then the field got muddied. BBI wound up vocally in favor of Darnold, but there was a fair amount of varying opinions. Supposedly, Shurmur liked Allen, with no overall consensus for any QB.
It’ll be another year or two before we can really have a feel of how good the QB class is.
until the interviews/quotes of him kept coming out, even on draft day. His thought process was out of whack talking as such and it made me question his maturity/logic of the situation...
A rookie QB struggles on the worst coached team in the NFL? Â
Remember, he is only playing because the High Priced QB, who broke a completion percentage record with Vikings, the cards picked up sucked so bad with this offense that they decided to go with the rookie.
He’s doing it the old fashion way ... by earning it. He sits and learns behind Big Ben (He’s not a role model off the field, but he’s a leader on it) and mason will be ready when his time comes ... he may turn out to be the best of the bunch.
ball and shows signs of a quality qb. Give it a few years and he'll be matt stafford like, just will likely never win when it counts.
I would change it to:
He throws a nice ball and shows signs of a quality qb. Give it a few years and he'll be matt stafford like, we just depends on how the Cards will build around him to be successful.
And we're 1-5. I do love the kid and think he is special but his best years will be wasted on this team. I wanted Darnold and to see him doing well as a rookie with the Jets is a killer. I would rather be 1-5 with the future QB.
To say any of these rookies is a bust after only 6 games is a joke. Barkley was the best player in the draft. Unfortunately he plays a lower value position and a lower longevity position so the odds are against him having the best career.
plays for a bad team, and is a rookie. Please stop anointing or condemning rookie QBs. I didn't want Rosen, but it's way too early to judge him, Darnold, Allen, or Mayfield. Growing pains are inevitable.
It is far too early to determine anything about Josh Rosen right now. This thread is fucking stupid. We're not even half a season in.
I'm thrilled with Saquon. But writing off a rookie QB on a terrible team with a rookie coach who looks like he's in over his head before even getting halfway through one season is absolutely moronic.
But I get it - it's 2018 and everyone needs to get their hot takes out there no matter how awful they are.
Sam Darnold
Trade Down (really thought the broncos would be the perfect trade partner)
J Allen
Rosen
Barkley
Chubb
I did not want a guard in the top 10.
I thought Ronald Jones would be better value in round 2 than Barkley at 2.
oh and i thought Lauletta might go to the pats in round 2. And that Mason Rudolph might in the long run be just as good as the top 4 and i liked him more than Jackson.
Top 4 QB in '18 + fold the season + Top OL or Bosa.
I take Barkley every time.
Me too,every time.
If this season continues going to shit, I know I'd be in the minority but I might be at the point of saying tank for Tua in 20. Stock up big in the trenches in the upcoming draft and FA, and deal with one more year of shit.
Tough to swallow no doubt but I think I could deal with another year if it meant a decade of being a top team and hopefully even more than just that.
If Tua is the stud everyone thinks then why would a team that was pathetic and have the 1st pick trade him to you?
You see - I just think many of you are so clueless as to how you think it's so easy to find a QB. Yeah -- "we'll just trade for the superstar-- after all the other team that sucks can't wait to trade a a super prospect like Tua.
And if Gmen are so awful for 2 straight years posters such as yourself will say "We need more thna the QB."
I never said to trade for him, I said tank for him and I might be able to deal with one more shitty year ( next season) in order to get him.
I'm not sure how you got me thinking we could trade for him from my post.
RE: RE: RE: Saquon + fold the season + Top QB in '19 or Â
Top 4 QB in '18 + fold the season + Top OL or Bosa.
I take Barkley every time.
Me too,every time.
If this season continues going to shit, I know I'd be in the minority but I might be at the point of saying tank for Tua in 20. Stock up big in the trenches in the upcoming draft and FA, and deal with one more year of shit.
Tough to swallow no doubt but I think I could deal with another year if it meant a decade of being a top team and hopefully even more than just that.
If Tua is the stud everyone thinks then why would a team that was pathetic and have the 1st pick trade him to you?
You see - I just think many of you are so clueless as to how you think it's so easy to find a QB. Yeah -- "we'll just trade for the superstar-- after all the other team that sucks can't wait to trade a a super prospect like Tua.
And if Gmen are so awful for 2 straight years posters such as yourself will say "We need more thna the QB."
I also think anyone with reading comp problems should be the last person calling another poster clueless. I guess you also missed the part where I said stock up on the trenches in the upcoming draft and FA, because if you caught that part it might've answered your "we need more than a QB" part of your reply.
Seems to me you read into my post what you wanted to think I said instead of what was actually there.
just like media/fans cramming the Darnold narrative down the Giants' throat, it's too early to call either one in their respective directions. Both may turn out to be true but jumping to conclusions on a small sample sizes is fool's errand. Confirmation bias is strong around these parts.
Forgot to mention his play, I thought that was obvious. Still think he is a talented guy, just can’t see him being an elite QB.
I take Barkley every time.
I take Barkley every time.
Me too,every time.
If this season continues going to shit, I know I'd be in the minority but I might be at the point of saying tank for Tua in 20. Stock up big in the trenches in the upcoming draft and FA, and deal with one more year of shit.
Tough to swallow no doubt but I think I could deal with another year if it meant a decade of being a top team and hopefully even more than just that.
Picture this: the Cardinals have the 1st pick in the draft and they love Herbert. So rather than trade the pick, they trade Rosen instead. To the Giants!
Picture this: the Cardinals have the 1st pick in the draft and they love Herbert. So rather than trade the pick, they trade Rosen instead. To the Giants!
...Hope you don't expect the Giants to trade a top-5 pick for Rosen. Haha
Exactly, which is why I said this guy has talent. Don’t see him being the next Eli though. We’ll find a QB for the future, just glad we picked Barkley. I live in Detroit (originally from Rochester hence the NY Giants fandom) and people here are calling him the next Barry Sanders which is pretty exciting.
Picture this: the Cardinals have the 1st pick in the draft and they love Herbert. So rather than trade the pick, they trade Rosen instead. To the Giants!
Milton.
You're awesome. Don't ever change.
A fantasy favorite who can’t win when it counts? Thank God we passed then.
IT factor? Does that stand for Inane Turnovers? The guy is more loose with his balls than a 90 old man in a YMCA locker room. Hi-yoooo!
Second, when u say his comments arent negatively affecting his career, are we talking about only the draft comments? Like when he said it was a mistake that 9 other teams passed on him?
Unless he said other things, thats a stretch to hang on those comments as problematic. Silly
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Top 4 QB in '18 + fold the season + Top OL or Bosa.
I take Barkley every time.
Me too,every time.
If this season continues going to shit, I know I'd be in the minority but I might be at the point of saying tank for Tua in 20. Stock up big in the trenches in the upcoming draft and FA, and deal with one more year of shit.
Tough to swallow no doubt but I think I could deal with another year if it meant a decade of being a top team and hopefully even more than just that.
If Tua is the stud everyone thinks then why would a team that was pathetic and have the 1st pick trade him to you?
You see - I just think many of you are so clueless as to how you think it's so easy to find a QB. Yeah -- "we'll just trade for the superstar-- after all the other team that sucks can't wait to trade a a super prospect like Tua.
And if Gmen are so awful for 2 straight years posters such as yourself will say "We need more thna the QB."
It’ll be another year or two before we can really have a feel of how good the QB class is.
Remember, he is only playing because the High Priced QB, who broke a completion percentage record with Vikings, the cards picked up sucked so bad with this offense that they decided to go with the rookie.
Or 2016 to see Goff play.
I would change it to:
He throws a nice ball and shows signs of a quality qb. Give it a few years and he'll be matt stafford like, we just depends on how the Cards will build around him to be successful.
If Darnold wasn’t available then Barkley
I did like Rosen over Mayfield and Allen though.
To say any of these rookies is a bust after only 6 games is a joke. Barkley was the best player in the draft. Unfortunately he plays a lower value position and a lower longevity position so the odds are against him having the best career.
I'm thrilled with Saquon. But writing off a rookie QB on a terrible team with a rookie coach who looks like he's in over his head before even getting halfway through one season is absolutely moronic.
But I get it - it's 2018 and everyone needs to get their hot takes out there no matter how awful they are.
Trade Down (really thought the broncos would be the perfect trade partner)
J Allen
Rosen
Barkley
Chubb
I did not want a guard in the top 10.
I thought Ronald Jones would be better value in round 2 than Barkley at 2.
oh and i thought Lauletta might go to the pats in round 2. And that Mason Rudolph might in the long run be just as good as the top 4 and i liked him more than Jackson.
Maybe I should be fired from my GM position.
Who is "everyone" ?
Some people wanted Rosen, some didn't. It was nowhere near unanimous. Gross hyperbole only makes this even worse.
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Top 4 QB in '18 + fold the season + Top OL or Bosa.
I take Barkley every time.
Me too,every time.
If this season continues going to shit, I know I'd be in the minority but I might be at the point of saying tank for Tua in 20. Stock up big in the trenches in the upcoming draft and FA, and deal with one more year of shit.
Tough to swallow no doubt but I think I could deal with another year if it meant a decade of being a top team and hopefully even more than just that.
If Tua is the stud everyone thinks then why would a team that was pathetic and have the 1st pick trade him to you?
You see - I just think many of you are so clueless as to how you think it's so easy to find a QB. Yeah -- "we'll just trade for the superstar-- after all the other team that sucks can't wait to trade a a super prospect like Tua.
And if Gmen are so awful for 2 straight years posters such as yourself will say "We need more thna the QB."
I never said to trade for him, I said tank for him and I might be able to deal with one more shitty year ( next season) in order to get him.
I'm not sure how you got me thinking we could trade for him from my post.
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Top 4 QB in '18 + fold the season + Top OL or Bosa.
I take Barkley every time.
Me too,every time.
If this season continues going to shit, I know I'd be in the minority but I might be at the point of saying tank for Tua in 20. Stock up big in the trenches in the upcoming draft and FA, and deal with one more year of shit.
Tough to swallow no doubt but I think I could deal with another year if it meant a decade of being a top team and hopefully even more than just that.
If Tua is the stud everyone thinks then why would a team that was pathetic and have the 1st pick trade him to you?
You see - I just think many of you are so clueless as to how you think it's so easy to find a QB. Yeah -- "we'll just trade for the superstar-- after all the other team that sucks can't wait to trade a a super prospect like Tua.
And if Gmen are so awful for 2 straight years posters such as yourself will say "We need more thna the QB."
I also think anyone with reading comp problems should be the last person calling another poster clueless. I guess you also missed the part where I said stock up on the trenches in the upcoming draft and FA, because if you caught that part it might've answered your "we need more than a QB" part of your reply.
Seems to me you read into my post what you wanted to think I said instead of what was actually there.
and probably would have gotten Rosen
and probably would have gotten Rosen
How do you know that for sure? What was the offer? From what team?
Cleveland didn't think so.
Go watch Big Ben in his rookie year.
See? 2 can play that game.
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Jared Goff tape from his rookie year
Go watch Big Ben in his rookie year.
See? 2 can play that game.
He had the best defense in football his rookie year and did a lot of game managing.
He threw for under 200 yards a game.