Its been stated here, more than a few times, that no QB could succeed with the Offensive line the Giants have. That if a rookie QB started playing behind this line, it would ruin him, but Is that true?
Interestingly enough the Jets offensive line is currently ranked 21st in the NFL, only four spots ahead of the Giants who are ranked 25th. Sam Darnold is a rookie, and only 21 years old, but has the Jets offensive line ruined him? And compared to Eli, who is a 15 year vet, how do there numbers compare?
These are Eli Manning's numbers
1,662 yards 68.7% 6 TD 4 Int 90.9 Rating
These are Sam Darnold's numbers
1,346 yards 59.8% 9 TD 7 Int 83.7 Rating
On the surface, it would seem as though Eli is the better QB, but those numbers can be misleading. (more on that later)
What is interesting, is as bad as the Jets offensive line is, with Darnold at QB they are averaging 27.5 ppg on Offense. The Giants on the other hand, with a 15 year vet are only averaging 19.5 ppg.
Has the Jets poor offensive line ruined Darnold, as some have claimed would happen if he was a Giant? Evidently not. Therefore if Darnold was starting behind the Giants offensive line, which is only graded four points worse than the Jets, it seems as though he would still be productive and thriving.
Eli Manning has thrown for 300 yards more than Darnold this year, however It seems as though those numbers are a bit misleading. After further analysis, Eli Manning has thrown for almost 600 yards in the 4th quarter alone, this shows that he is able to pad his stats against prevent defenses, when the game is clearly over.
Darnold seems to thrive in the 2nd quarter throwing for over 500 yards and 4 TD's, right in the middle or heart of the game. His teams have scored 40 points twice, and 30 points three times in just six games.
Shockingly, Darnold is doing this, with a bottom 5 receiving core, and an average offensive line ranked 21st. He does have a running game though, averaging about 130 yards per game on the ground, compared to the Giants team who averages about 87 yards per game, but It seems as though he is able to do more with less.
The question is, if Darnold was on the Giants, surrounded with Beckham, Engram and Shepard, all 1st and 2nd rd picks, how much more productive would he be, with an elite recieving core?
Strangely, Dave Gettleman used the #2 pick in the draft on a RB. Evidently by this decision he felt no QB was worth the #2 pick in the draft, even though Darnold fell right in his lap, and was considered to be the consensus #1 pick.
By equipping Eli and the Giants, with the best RB in the game, a top 5 WR, an emerging star at TE, another 2nd rd pick at WR, and spending almost 177 million in cap space, the team in a must win game against the Eagles scored 13 points.
Last night we all saw rookie Josh Rosen's Cardinals go up against the Broncos and they put up 10 points. Interestingly, Darnold's Jets played the same broncos team two weeks ago, and put up 34 points and won the game convincingly.
For the Giant fans out there who wanted Darnold, we can only imagine what the Giants would be like if he was starting for us?
Seriously stop trying to justify your knob slobbering of Darnold over Barkley. You're not going to change anything and it's absurd at this point
That should tell you a lot about who has the better OL...
That should tell you a lot about who has the better OL...
Exactly. He throws is fake news to support his agenda. This poster has proved, over and over again, he's an absolute farce.
That should tell you a lot about who has the better OL...
This is a perfect refutation and shows exactly why you can't paint a picture with a stat if there is context that proves differently. I could care less what the Jets OL is graded, if they are able to be sixth in rushing then they are light years better than the Giants OL. Therefore, the lengthy OP is rendered moot.
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I'm confused. Which is the "this"? Yours or the OP? Either way, there is a 100% chance this thread sucks.
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I'm confused. Which is the "this"? Yours or the OP? Either way, there is a 100% chance this thread sucks.
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Eli has sucked it up big time this year.
If you want to contend you d rather have Barkley, he s a great player, so it s easy to see why you feel this way.
But you should also be able to see the point of view many of us share, that a franchise quarterback makes a bigger difference than a HOF running back.
It seems to some of us that Darnold is trending towards being that guy.
That should tell you a lot about who has the better OL...
No... that does not tell you anything about who has the better OL when it comes to pass protection. Run blocking and pass blocking are two different things.
What you SHOULD have said was since the Jets have a consistent running game (something the Giants do NOT have), it does lighten the load for Darnold and makes his job just a bit easier.
Based on the eyeball test I take the Jet o line every day and twice on Sunday. Particularly in the run game. They have a functioning offensive line, the Giants have a joke.
If you want to contend you d rather have Barkley, he s a great player, so it s easy to see why you feel this way.
But you should also be able to see the point of view many of us share, that a franchise quarterback makes a bigger difference than a HOF running back.
It seems to some of us that Darnold is trending towards being that guy.
There isn’t a single person on this board that doesn’t think a franchise QB is more important. It’s such a farce that you even think that.
What you need to come to terms with is that Darnold (let’s say he will be very good) won’t be the last drafted franchise QB to ever grace the NFL. It’s not some extinct, dying breed. We went a different route and got a generational talent at a poisition that matte whether you agree or not. This was never getting fixed in 1 offseason, you need to see what happens and know that there will be other options at QB.
I’m sick of the either/or bullshit. There’s no one way to build a team and just because having the QB in place is optimal, doesn’t mean what we are doing makes it impossible - there’s too many examples out there to debunk that.
That should tell you a lot about who has the better OL...
On the other hand, maybe these “no name RBs” are actually talented players who the Jets didn’t over-invest in with either a draft pick or cap dollars. Proving once again that the talented RBs do grow on trees.
I was praying before our pick that we got Baker, Barkley or Chubbs. I prayed we did not get the TURNOVER machine in Sam Darnold at qb. We have had a turnover machine for 15 years, why would anyone want a 27 turnover a year guy at QB?
We made absolutely the right pick. And it is scary to say this, but we may have landed the best RB, ever. Of course I personally don't believe that (it is being written and said by many), see me in 7-8 years and I'll weigh in on that.
I could not be any happier as a Giants fan by having either Kyle L or Hebert at QB, along with Will H, Obj, Engram & Barkley starting our fun to watch O over the next 5 years, starting later this season.
Ok, lets bring some reality to the discussion.
1. He is not "hype". The guy stepped up in his rookie year to be basically our #1 WR with all of the injuries we had last season. A lot was put on him and he did step up and play well. He was a top 5 TE last season.
2. I would say that Giants fans over rate their players and Engram included. He has the talent and he did play well last season. He needs to be more consistent and improve his blocking.
I was praying before our pick that we got Baker, Barkley or Chubbs. I prayed we did not get the TURNOVER machine in Sam Darnold at qb. We have had a turnover machine for 15 years, why would anyone want a 27 turnover a year guy at QB?
We made absolutely the right pick. And it is scary to say this, but we may have landed the best RB, ever. Of course I personally don't believe that (it is being written and said by many), see me in 7-8 years and I'll weigh in on that.
I could not be any happier as a Giants fan by having either Kyle L or Hebert at QB, along with Will H, Obj, Engram & Barkley starting our fun to watch O over the next 5 years, starting later this season.
Seems to me like he’s leading that team just fine, what exactly are you talking about?
The Giants don't run the ball consistently. They are getting big plays in chunks based on SB's unreal talent to make things happen.
But as far as lining up and running the ball, the Giants aren't there yet.
Consequently, Manning is having issues with both protection and downfield coverage.
Ben flourished in an ideal situation in his first year and has stood the test of time.
Eli struggled in his first season and has stood the test of time.
Sanchez, RGIII, Vince Young, Josh Freeman are just a few examples of the many QBs who have come out in the first season, or few seasons of their careers and had everyone referring to them as franchise QBs.
Personally, so far, Mayfield lifting the Browns stature, even a little bit, since entering the Jets game is the only thing that has me thinking "wow" from any of these QBs. That means very little long term for him or the other guys.
Give it a few years.
This is a junk post.
It would look like Arizona last night.
Ben flourished in an ideal situation in his first year and has stood the test of time.
Eli struggled in his first season and has stood the test of time.
Sanchez, RGIII, Vince Young, Josh Freeman are just a few examples of the many QBs who have come out in the first season, or few seasons of their careers and had everyone referring to them as franchise QBs.
Personally, so far, Mayfield lifting the Browns stature, even a little bit, since entering the Jets game is the only thing that has me thinking "wow" from any of these QBs. That means very little long term for him or the other guys.
Give it a few years.
Great post.
I was making the point that there are some/many here who don't believe Darnold is a franchise guy. Just pointing out signs are promising.
If that bother you that s your deal, my post was in no way condensing.
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Darnold is the better QB because frankly he's on the better team.
Better defense, better OL and running game.
Those three things help a young QB immensely!
But I'd rather have Saquon than Darnold. Felt that way since last year at around this same time.
And I do think Herbert is a better QB prospect than Darnold
For what it's worth, you become "King of NY" when you actually win something LOL......
3-3, King of New York........these guys need to get a clue.
But I'd rather have Saquon than Darnold. Felt that way since last year at around this same time.
And I do think Herbert is a better QB prospect than Darnold
Really, why? Darnold in his rookie year is already showing he belongs, why is Herbert so enticing?
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I'd rather have Darnold than Eli now and in the future
But I'd rather have Saquon than Darnold. Felt that way since last year at around this same time.
And I do think Herbert is a better QB prospect than Darnold
Really, why? Darnold in his rookie year is already showing he belongs, why is Herbert so enticing?
I've readily admitted that Darnold looks better than I thought he would in his rookie season, but I still have concerns about him, most notably, his knack for turning the ball over.
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I'd rather have Darnold than Eli now and in the future
But I'd rather have Saquon than Darnold. Felt that way since last year at around this same time.
And I do think Herbert is a better QB prospect than Darnold
Really, why? Darnold in his rookie year is already showing he belongs, why is Herbert so enticing?
Well you can't hold that Darnold is older and already playing in the league LOL.....
Herbert has size, mobility, and an arm. Looks the part from what I have seen.
But really what it comes down a lot of times is the right situation...........
Think about how many players have failed, regardless of position, because it's just not the right situation. Bad situations, bad coaching, etc.
1.
the tough central part of various fruits, containing the seeds.
"quarter the pears, remove the cores then slice again into wedges"
2.
the central or most important part of something.
Corps:
a main subdivision of an armed force in the field, consisting of two or more divisions.
"the 5th Army Corps"
a branch of a military organization assigned to a particular kind of work.
"the U.S. Army Medical Corps"
a body of people engaged in a particular activity.
"the press corps"
When describing the WR unit, the word you are looking for is corps, not core.
"The Giants' WR corps is elite at the top, headlined by Odell Beckham and Sterling Shepard."
Yes, "corps" is pronounced CORE, hence your confusion.
English...it's a good language to know in this country.