Its been stated here, more than a few times, that no QB could succeed with the Offensive line the Giants have. That if a rookie QB started playing behind this line, it would ruin him, but Is that true?
Interestingly enough the Jets offensive line is currently ranked 21st in the NFL, only four spots ahead of the Giants who are ranked 25th. Sam Darnold is a rookie, and only 21 years old, but has the Jets offensive line ruined him? And compared to Eli, who is a 15 year vet, how do there numbers compare?
These are Eli Manning's numbers
1,662 yards 68.7% 6 TD 4 Int 90.9 Rating
These are Sam Darnold's numbers
1,346 yards 59.8% 9 TD 7 Int 83.7 Rating
On the surface, it would seem as though Eli is the better QB, but those numbers can be misleading. (more on that later)
What is interesting, is as bad as the Jets offensive line is, with Darnold at QB they are averaging 27.5 ppg on Offense. The Giants on the other hand, with a 15 year vet are only averaging 19.5 ppg.
Has the Jets poor offensive line ruined Darnold, as some have claimed would happen if he was a Giant? Evidently not. Therefore if Darnold was starting behind the Giants offensive line, which is only graded four points worse than the Jets, it seems as though he would still be productive and thriving.
Eli Manning has thrown for 300 yards more than Darnold this year, however It seems as though those numbers are a bit misleading. After further analysis, Eli Manning has thrown for almost 600 yards in the 4th quarter alone, this shows that he is able to pad his stats against prevent defenses, when the game is clearly over.
Darnold seems to thrive in the 2nd quarter throwing for over 500 yards and 4 TD's, right in the middle or heart of the game. His teams have scored 40 points twice, and 30 points three times in just six games.
Shockingly, Darnold is doing this, with a bottom 5 receiving core, and an average offensive line ranked 21st. He does have a running game though, averaging about 130 yards per game on the ground, compared to the Giants team who averages about 87 yards per game, but It seems as though he is able to do more with less.
The question is, if Darnold was on the Giants, surrounded with Beckham, Engram and Shepard, all 1st and 2nd rd picks, how much more productive would he be, with an elite recieving core?
Strangely, Dave Gettleman used the #2 pick in the draft on a RB. Evidently by this decision he felt no QB was worth the #2 pick in the draft, even though Darnold fell right in his lap, and was considered to be the consensus #1 pick.
By equipping Eli and the Giants, with the best RB in the game, a top 5 WR, an emerging star at TE, another 2nd rd pick at WR, and spending almost 177 million in cap space, the team in a must win game against the Eagles scored 13 points.
Last night we all saw rookie Josh Rosen's Cardinals go up against the Broncos and they put up 10 points. Interestingly, Darnold's Jets played the same broncos team two weeks ago, and put up 34 points and won the game convincingly.
For the Giant fans out there who wanted Darnold, we can only imagine what the Giants would be like if he was starting for us?
So, if you want to compare who would be a good match with this OL, all you need to do is look for the athletic QBs who scramble well. But such a QB is not likely to be the one who wins a team a SB. Instead, he is likely replaced once the OL is upgraded - replaced with someone with better throwing skills and, more importantly, a field general who can read a defense pre-snap and who can quickly go through his progressions and make the correct reads live.
That's why this entire Manning talk is all such bullshit. Manning was never a scrambler. At his very best, he would have failed miserably behind this OL. He is a statue. He's the second kind of guy - the one who wins you super bowls behind a solid OL - not the interim guy who can run for his life play after play after play.
If we'd drafted Darnold and he was doing for us what he's doing for the Jets this board would be head over heels in love with him, and no one would be arguing we should have taken Bartley.
If we'd drafted Darnold and he was doing for us what he's doing for the Jets this board would be head over heels in love with him, and no one would be arguing we should have taken Bartley.
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2. Darnold does look the part . . . and he's only 21 years old, which is pretty remarkable.
3. I like Herbert too, but it's hardly a given that we'll draft him. Way too many variables to say with any certainty that passing on Darnold was okay because we're going to get Herbert. Total speculation. Darnold landed right in our lap and we didn't take him. That's not speculation, that's a fact. But yes, if we somehow come out of 2017 and 2018 with Barkely AND Herbert, look out.
4. There are core guys in the receiving corps. Corny but true.
Plus, if you want to use PFF grades Darnold comes in at a cool 61.5. Prior to the Colts game, he was a 52.7 -- good for second to last amongst starting quarterbacks. Eli Manning came in at a 73.1 prior to the Eagles game and is now at 65.6.
If we'd drafted Darnold and he was doing for us what he's doing for the Jets this board would be head over heels in love with him, and no one would be arguing we should have taken Bartley.
Darnold has duuur face, still don't want a QB with a lower passer rating than Eli.
If we'd drafted Darnold and he was doing for us what he's doing for the Jets this board would be head over heels in love with him, and no one would be arguing we should have taken Bartley.
He’s doing what Sanchez did for the Jets the first couple of years. No way Would I be head over heels in love with him if he was here. Certainly not at THIS POINT. Not even close
You really have no idea what you are talking about. The only similarity between Darnold and Sanchez is they went to USC.
Darnold has a better arm, better pocket awareness, and infinitely more accurate. Sanchez was a joke.
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You really have no idea what you are talking about. The only similarity between Darnold and Sanchez is they went to USC.
Darnold has a better arm, better pocket awareness, and infinitely more accurate. Sanchez was a joke.
Actually, I do. Sanchez dinked and dunked with the occasional bomb. Same with Darnold’s play to date, stronger arm or not. I’m referring to Sanchez’ production year 1 and 2.
Not impressed with Darnold SO FAR, but understand it’s way too early. Mayfield is more impressive to me, though again, way too early
Maybe, maybe not. I’m just thrilled we don’t have to worry about a running game for the foreseeable future. We’ve got ourselves a franchise back. If Lauletta becomes the answer, fine. If not we’ll find a QB that will be good enough to utilize the talents of OBJ, SB and Engram, imo.
Still too early to know anything about these QBs to hang one’s hat on right now
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I think that says something about their o-line.
I think that says something about their o-line.
And they didn't even need to draft Barkley to do it.
If we'd drafted Darnold and he was doing for us what he's doing for the Jets this board would be head over heels in love with him, and no one would be arguing we should have taken Bartley.
Would Darnold even be starting for us??
I mean...he might....like this week.....but I think Eli would have been the starter.
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but the truth is the Giants could have drafted an inanimate carbon rod and there would be posters here saying it was better than drafting Darnold.
If we'd drafted Darnold and he was doing for us what he's doing for the Jets this board would be head over heels in love with him, and no one would be arguing we should have taken Bartley.
Would Darnold even be starting for us??
I mean...he might....like this week.....but I think Eli would have been the starter.
I don't know, because our front office foolishly did not trade or release Eli in the offseason when the planets aligned for them to transition from one franchise quarterback to another.
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You're basically daring Denny's new handle (Coach Red Beaulieu) to up his game.
That's what should happen.
What I think will happen:
1) Eli is on the team next year and starts the 2019 season as the first string
2) We draft Herbert (who IMO is super raw and would be better served going to a top coaching staff like Mahomes did)
3) We suck in 2019 and enlarge the black eye on Eli's legacy
4) We have a new GM and head coach in 2020
Cap plays a factor with Eli next year, it makes a ton of sense to move on based on financials.
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but the truth is the Giants could have drafted an inanimate carbon rod and there would be posters here saying it was better than drafting Darnold.
If we'd drafted Darnold and he was doing for us what he's doing for the Jets this board would be head over heels in love with him, and no one would be arguing we should have taken Bartley.
Would Darnold even be starting for us??
I mean...he might....like this week.....but I think Eli would have been the starter.
I don't know, because our front office foolishly did not trade or release Eli in the offseason when the planets aligned for them to transition from one franchise quarterback to another.
I believe the plan would have been, to let Darnold sit a year under Eli - that seemed universal esp given Darnold's age.
Not that he couldn't have played this year of course.
And I think Darnold, without Barkley, would have been creamed this year had he started with this club from the start.
Best to let Eli take it for awhile.
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I'd argue you've been the worst poster on this site for the past few years. Oh and I thought you don't make personal attacks? Basically you just complaing about anyone who criticizes Eli and praises Darnold (both which have been proven to be accurate assessments). Grow up.
But I'd rather have Saquon than Darnold. Felt that way since last year at around this same time.
And I do think Herbert is a better QB prospect than Darnold
Incredible that you STILL can't admit that Gettleman believing in Eli was a mistake and that passing on every QB in last year's extremely highly regarded QB class to take Barkley was the wrong pick! So fucking pathetic!
Herbert right now is literally nowhere close to as good as Darnold. The hope is that he continues to improve and that we have an opportunity to pick him in this year's draft. Because honestly, if you pay any attention to college football (and it seems that you don't) there is literally no other college QB this year who is worthy of being picked in the first round...Which only exacerbates last year's collasal fuck up.
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Totally agree. Except I don't know if I put this on Mara. I truly believe Gettleman believed Eli had something left in the tank (don't know what he was watching the past 6 years). This is only on Mara if he demanded that whoever he hired as GM had to stick with Eli. And I still have a hard time imagining this to be the case (or maybe I'm hoping that wasn't the case). Either way, I agree...it's clear that Darnold is going to be a damn good player and passing on him was a huge mistake.
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I'd argue you've been the worst poster on this site for the past few years. Oh and I thought you don't make personal attacks? Basically you just complaing about anyone who criticizes Eli and praises Darnold (both which have been proven to be accurate assessments). Grow up.
You can argue it, but you'd be wrong. I can argue that the sky is green, but I'd be wrong too.
It wasn't a personal attack. I didn't attack your intellect or anything personal about you except your posting habits. I don't know you from Adam. I'm saying you're a terrible poster, which, objectively, you are. Maybe if you nut up and stop bitching and moaning on every post you make, you wouldn't be seen as such a whiny little bitch. You have the ability to change. You weren't born to be a shitty poster...
And bullshit. I've criticized Eli plenty. In fact, who do you think is leading the Herbert train? I'm sorry if I'm not ready to carve Darnold's bust in Canton. I admitted he's looked better than I thought, but I'm still not ready to anoint him as the greatest thing since sliced bread after 6 games.
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I'd argue you've been the worst poster on this site for the past few years. Oh and I thought you don't make personal attacks? Basically you just complaing about anyone who criticizes Eli and praises Darnold (both which have been proven to be accurate assessments). Grow up.
You can argue it, but you'd be wrong. I can argue that the sky is green, but I'd be wrong too.
It wasn't a personal attack. I didn't attack your intellect or anything personal about you except your posting habits. I don't know you from Adam. I'm saying you're a terrible poster, which, objectively, you are. Maybe if you nut up and stop bitching and moaning on every post you make, you wouldn't be seen as such a whiny little bitch. You have the ability to change. You weren't born to be a shitty poster...
And bullshit. I've criticized Eli plenty. In fact, who do you think is leading the Herbert train? I'm sorry if I'm not ready to carve Darnold's bust in Canton. I admitted he's looked better than I thought, but I'm still not ready to anoint him as the greatest thing since sliced bread after 6 games.
It's not bitching when you disagree with management. They made a terrible decision in the draft and they deserve to be called on it. If you don't want to hear it then get off BBI.
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I'd rather have Darnold than Eli now and in the future
But I'd rather have Saquon than Darnold. Felt that way since last year at around this same time.
And I do think Herbert is a better QB prospect than Darnold
Incredible that you STILL can't admit that Gettleman believing in Eli was a mistake and that passing on every QB in last year's extremely highly regarded QB class to take Barkley was the wrong pick! So fucking pathetic!
Herbert right now is literally nowhere close to as good as Darnold. The hope is that he continues to improve and that we have an opportunity to pick him in this year's draft. Because honestly, if you pay any attention to college football (and it seems that you don't) there is literally no other college QB this year who is worthy of being picked in the first round...Which only exacerbates last year's collasal fuck up.
"Herbert right now is literally nowhere close to as good as Darnold."
According to whom? You? Newsflash: Allen has looked like shit, you saw Rosen last night and not even the great Sam Darnold has looked lights out. And you know what? They don't need to be. They're rookie QBs. We've seen QBs in the past look like shit their rookie years. I'm not going to condemn them to bust status. But by that same token, I'm not going to anoint a QB as a star just because he's played well.
Meanwhile, Saquon Barkley is the (almost) midseason favorite to win ROTY. Has it translated into wins? No, but that's because the TEAM sucks. It's not just Eli, which is something you can't comprehend. The team is terrible.
"there is literally no other college QB this year who is worthy of being picked in the first round...Which only exacerbates last year's collasal fuck up."
True. And? What's your point? If Gettleman didn't love a QB, he didn't love a QB. You're upset because Gettleman didn't pick a QB he may not have even liked? Who says that our scouts don't think Lock is a better prospect than Darnold? It may not be the consensus opinion, but have you ever heard the phrase "it only takes one team"?
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I'd rather have Darnold than Eli now and in the future
But I'd rather have Saquon than Darnold. Felt that way since last year at around this same time.
And I do think Herbert is a better QB prospect than Darnold
Incredible that you STILL can't admit that Gettleman believing in Eli was a mistake and that passing on every QB in last year's extremely highly regarded QB class to take Barkley was the wrong pick! So fucking pathetic!
Herbert right now is literally nowhere close to as good as Darnold. The hope is that he continues to improve and that we have an opportunity to pick him in this year's draft. Because honestly, if you pay any attention to college football (and it seems that you don't) there is literally no other college QB this year who is worthy of being picked in the first round...Which only exacerbates last year's collasal fuck up.
"Herbert right now is literally nowhere close to as good as Darnold."
According to whom? You? Newsflash: Allen has looked like shit, you saw Rosen last night and not even the great Sam Darnold has looked lights out. And you know what? They don't need to be. They're rookie QBs. We've seen QBs in the past look like shit their rookie years. I'm not going to condemn them to bust status. But by that same token, I'm not going to anoint a QB as a star just because he's played well.
Meanwhile, Saquon Barkley is the (almost) midseason favorite to win ROTY. Has it translated into wins? No, but that's because the TEAM sucks. It's not just Eli, which is something you can't comprehend. The team is terrible.
"there is literally no other college QB this year who is worthy of being picked in the first round...Which only exacerbates last year's collasal fuck up."
True. And? What's your point? If Gettleman didn't love a QB, he didn't love a QB. You're upset because Gettleman didn't pick a QB he may not have even liked? Who says that our scouts don't think Lock is a better prospect than Darnold? It may not be the consensus opinion, but have you ever heard the phrase "it only takes one team"?
Bolded and underlined the only part of your whiny rant worth anything. RB's don't translate into wins, hence why it was an awful fucking decision. Darnold plays on a significantly worse team with a horrendous oline as well and no weapons and is .500. All while being the youngest starting QB in the history of the NFL. QB's equal wins. RB's don't.
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I'd argue you've been the worst poster on this site for the past few years. Oh and I thought you don't make personal attacks? Basically you just complaing about anyone who criticizes Eli and praises Darnold (both which have been proven to be accurate assessments). Grow up.
You can argue it, but you'd be wrong. I can argue that the sky is green, but I'd be wrong too.
It wasn't a personal attack. I didn't attack your intellect or anything personal about you except your posting habits. I don't know you from Adam. I'm saying you're a terrible poster, which, objectively, you are. Maybe if you nut up and stop bitching and moaning on every post you make, you wouldn't be seen as such a whiny little bitch. You have the ability to change. You weren't born to be a shitty poster...
And bullshit. I've criticized Eli plenty. In fact, who do you think is leading the Herbert train? I'm sorry if I'm not ready to carve Darnold's bust in Canton. I admitted he's looked better than I thought, but I'm still not ready to anoint him as the greatest thing since sliced bread after 6 games.
It's not bitching when you disagree with management. They made a terrible decision in the draft and they deserve to be called on it. If you don't want to hear it then get off BBI.
See? This is where you have no self-awareness. You're not disagreeing. You're harping incessantly on these stupid, repetitive arguments. You sound absolutely ridiculous and, quite frankly, stupid when you post that we should've taken Darnold day in and day out. You don't have a crystal ball and you have absolutely no idea (and I mean NO idea) what the future entails. This season has been a disaster, but guess what? There's going to be another season next year and many more after that. We'll have our chance to find a WORTHY successor to Eli and that guy will have one of the most dangerous weapons in the NFL in Saquon Barkley.
Stop making shit up to support your argument.
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I'd argue you've been the worst poster on this site for the past few years. Oh and I thought you don't make personal attacks? Basically you just complaing about anyone who criticizes Eli and praises Darnold (both which have been proven to be accurate assessments). Grow up.
You can argue it, but you'd be wrong. I can argue that the sky is green, but I'd be wrong too.
It wasn't a personal attack. I didn't attack your intellect or anything personal about you except your posting habits. I don't know you from Adam. I'm saying you're a terrible poster, which, objectively, you are. Maybe if you nut up and stop bitching and moaning on every post you make, you wouldn't be seen as such a whiny little bitch. You have the ability to change. You weren't born to be a shitty poster...
And bullshit. I've criticized Eli plenty. In fact, who do you think is leading the Herbert train? I'm sorry if I'm not ready to carve Darnold's bust in Canton. I admitted he's looked better than I thought, but I'm still not ready to anoint him as the greatest thing since sliced bread after 6 games.
It's not bitching when you disagree with management. They made a terrible decision in the draft and they deserve to be called on it. If you don't want to hear it then get off BBI.
See? This is where you have no self-awareness. You're not disagreeing. You're harping incessantly on these stupid, repetitive arguments. You sound absolutely ridiculous and, quite frankly, stupid when you post that we should've taken Darnold day in and day out. You don't have a crystal ball and you have absolutely no idea (and I mean NO idea) what the future entails. This season has been a disaster, but guess what? There's going to be another season next year and many more after that. We'll have our chance to find a WORTHY successor to Eli and that guy will have one of the most dangerous weapons in the NFL in Saquon Barkley.
And this is where YOU'RE missing the point. What options do we have now? Herbert or bust? Well if we don't get Herbert, then what? We could end up in QB hell for 5 years and by the time we get out guy, Saquon & Odell are on the back 9 of their careers. It's not about Darnold or bust...It was about QB or bust last yr. Put it this way...I truly do not believe there is another GM in football who would have made that same decision at #2. And THAT is the infuriating part and it 100% deserves to be harped on. At least until we find our QB.
Stop making shit up to support your argument.
I can post actual statistical facts showing the Jets have the 22nd ranked passing oline in football but then you'd just say the stats are skewed or some other nonsense so no point wasting anyone's time.
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I'd rather have Darnold than Eli now and in the future
But I'd rather have Saquon than Darnold. Felt that way since last year at around this same time.
And I do think Herbert is a better QB prospect than Darnold
Incredible that you STILL can't admit that Gettleman believing in Eli was a mistake and that passing on every QB in last year's extremely highly regarded QB class to take Barkley was the wrong pick! So fucking pathetic!
Herbert right now is literally nowhere close to as good as Darnold. The hope is that he continues to improve and that we have an opportunity to pick him in this year's draft. Because honestly, if you pay any attention to college football (and it seems that you don't) there is literally no other college QB this year who is worthy of being picked in the first round...Which only exacerbates last year's collasal fuck up.
"Herbert right now is literally nowhere close to as good as Darnold."
According to whom? You? Newsflash: Allen has looked like shit, you saw Rosen last night and not even the great Sam Darnold has looked lights out. And you know what? They don't need to be. They're rookie QBs. We've seen QBs in the past look like shit their rookie years. I'm not going to condemn them to bust status. But by that same token, I'm not going to anoint a QB as a star just because he's played well.
Meanwhile, Saquon Barkley is the (almost) midseason favorite to win ROTY. Has it translated into wins? No, but that's because the TEAM sucks. It's not just Eli, which is something you can't comprehend. The team is terrible.
"there is literally no other college QB this year who is worthy of being picked in the first round...Which only exacerbates last year's collasal fuck up."
True. And? What's your point? If Gettleman didn't love a QB, he didn't love a QB. You're upset because Gettleman didn't pick a QB he may not have even liked? Who says that our scouts don't think Lock is a better prospect than Darnold? It may not be the consensus opinion, but have you ever heard the phrase "it only takes one team"?
Bolded and underlined the only part of your whiny rant worth anything. RB's don't translate into wins, hence why it was an awful fucking decision. Darnold plays on a significantly worse team with a horrendous oline as well and no weapons and is .500. All while being the youngest starting QB in the history of the NFL. QB's equal wins. RB's don't.
Their O-Line is better than ours, but you're right, it's not a good unit. And if you don't think Robbie Anderson and Quincy Enunwa are weapons, then I don't know what to tell you. But yes, the Giants have the better receivers.
So you're saying that Sam Darnold has single-handedly won those games for the Jets? Were we watching the same game? The same Sam Darnold who throws bubble screens and checkdowns on almost every passing play?
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Stop making shit up to support your argument.
I can post actual statistical facts showing the Jets have the 22nd ranked passing oline in football but then you'd just say the stats are skewed or some other nonsense so no point wasting anyone's time.
And their run game? Ignoring that since it doesn’t fit your narrative?
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I'd argue you've been the worst poster on this site for the past few years. Oh and I thought you don't make personal attacks? Basically you just complaing about anyone who criticizes Eli and praises Darnold (both which have been proven to be accurate assessments). Grow up.
You can argue it, but you'd be wrong. I can argue that the sky is green, but I'd be wrong too.
It wasn't a personal attack. I didn't attack your intellect or anything personal about you except your posting habits. I don't know you from Adam. I'm saying you're a terrible poster, which, objectively, you are. Maybe if you nut up and stop bitching and moaning on every post you make, you wouldn't be seen as such a whiny little bitch. You have the ability to change. You weren't born to be a shitty poster...
And bullshit. I've criticized Eli plenty. In fact, who do you think is leading the Herbert train? I'm sorry if I'm not ready to carve Darnold's bust in Canton. I admitted he's looked better than I thought, but I'm still not ready to anoint him as the greatest thing since sliced bread after 6 games.
It's not bitching when you disagree with management. They made a terrible decision in the draft and they deserve to be called on it. If you don't want to hear it then get off BBI.
See? This is where you have no self-awareness. You're not disagreeing. You're harping incessantly on these stupid, repetitive arguments. You sound absolutely ridiculous and, quite frankly, stupid when you post that we should've taken Darnold day in and day out. You don't have a crystal ball and you have absolutely no idea (and I mean NO idea) what the future entails. This season has been a disaster, but guess what? There's going to be another season next year and many more after that. We'll have our chance to find a WORTHY successor to Eli and that guy will have one of the most dangerous weapons in the NFL in Saquon Barkley.
And this is where YOU'RE missing the point. What options do we have now? Herbert or bust? Well if we don't get Herbert, then what? We could end up in QB hell for 5 years and by the time we get out guy, Saquon & Odell are on the back 9 of their careers. It's not about Darnold or bust...It was about QB or bust last yr. Put it this way...I truly do not believe there is another GM in football who would have made that same decision at #2. And THAT is the infuriating part and it 100% deserves to be harped on. At least until we find our QB.
Then we go another year without a QB. Guess what? 2018 wasn't the last year for QBs. 2019 won't be either. I know, hard to fathom.
Saquon and Odell will be the back-9 of their career by the time we get our guy? What? You're freaking out over a hypothetical? WHAT IF we don't get a franchise QB? Sam Darnold was the last franchise QB?
That's true, but guess what? There is no indication that Darnold, Rosen, and Allen will be franchise QBs either. Who's to say they won't wind up like Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota and Blake Bortles? Or Sam Bradford? Or Mark Sanchez?
Time will tell, but the point is you have to trust your scouts and trust your own judgment.
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Barkley contingent would much prefer giants get a Trent Dilfer like qb
No but morons like you want to put out 6 games as statistical proof that Darnold is some franchise QB
Here's a statistic for you Dilfer has more SB wins than Marino. He must be better right? THis place is full of idiots and morons
Yes, Darnold may turn out to be the better value because QB is just much more of an impact position. But it is not like Giants drafted another Flowers or Tony Mandarich #2.
I wanted a QB but Im fine with Barkley.
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There isn't one every year. There's a very realistic possibility that the Giants go years between settling the QB position. They're on the clock for Saquon's contract. In 3-4 years they'll have a business decision to make. In that same time frame we might be re-living Barry Sanders' detroit lions experience.
That's true, but guess what? There is no indication that Darnold, Rosen, and Allen will be franchise QBs either. Who's to say they won't wind up like Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota and Blake Bortles? Or Sam Bradford? Or Mark Sanchez?
Time will tell, but the point is you have to trust your scouts and trust your own judgment.
There is some indication. They're off to better starts than Jared Goff, so the odds are better than just a hail mary crapshoot. This group of QBs were more refined prospects than people were willing to give them credit for.
And that doesn't make them failproof, but they're not the same caliber of prospect as a Mark Sanchez.