Its been stated here, more than a few times, that no QB could succeed with the Offensive line the Giants have. That if a rookie QB started playing behind this line, it would ruin him, but Is that true?
Interestingly enough the Jets offensive line is currently ranked 21st in the NFL, only four spots ahead of the Giants who are ranked 25th. Sam Darnold is a rookie, and only 21 years old, but has the Jets offensive line ruined him? And compared to Eli, who is a 15 year vet, how do there numbers compare?
These are Eli Manning's numbers
1,662 yards 68.7% 6 TD 4 Int 90.9 Rating
These are Sam Darnold's numbers
1,346 yards 59.8% 9 TD 7 Int 83.7 Rating
On the surface, it would seem as though Eli is the better QB, but those numbers can be misleading. (more on that later)
What is interesting, is as bad as the Jets offensive line is, with Darnold at QB they are averaging 27.5 ppg on Offense. The Giants on the other hand, with a 15 year vet are only averaging 19.5 ppg.
Has the Jets poor offensive line ruined Darnold, as some have claimed would happen if he was a Giant? Evidently not. Therefore if Darnold was starting behind the Giants offensive line, which is only graded four points worse than the Jets, it seems as though he would still be productive and thriving.
Eli Manning has thrown for 300 yards more than Darnold this year, however It seems as though those numbers are a bit misleading. After further analysis, Eli Manning has thrown for almost 600 yards in the 4th quarter alone, this shows that he is able to pad his stats against prevent defenses, when the game is clearly over.
Darnold seems to thrive in the 2nd quarter throwing for over 500 yards and 4 TD's, right in the middle or heart of the game. His teams have scored 40 points twice, and 30 points three times in just six games.
Shockingly, Darnold is doing this, with a bottom 5 receiving core, and an average offensive line ranked 21st. He does have a running game though, averaging about 130 yards per game on the ground, compared to the Giants team who averages about 87 yards per game, but It seems as though he is able to do more with less.
The question is, if Darnold was on the Giants, surrounded with Beckham, Engram and Shepard, all 1st and 2nd rd picks, how much more productive would he be, with an elite recieving core?
Strangely, Dave Gettleman used the #2 pick in the draft on a RB. Evidently by this decision he felt no QB was worth the #2 pick in the draft, even though Darnold fell right in his lap, and was considered to be the consensus #1 pick.
By equipping Eli and the Giants, with the best RB in the game, a top 5 WR, an emerging star at TE, another 2nd rd pick at WR, and spending almost 177 million in cap space, the team in a must win game against the Eagles scored 13 points.
Last night we all saw rookie Josh Rosen's Cardinals go up against the Broncos and they put up 10 points. Interestingly, Darnold's Jets played the same broncos team two weeks ago, and put up 34 points and won the game convincingly.
For the Giant fans out there who wanted Darnold, we can only imagine what the Giants would be like if he was starting for us?
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In comment 14136118 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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There isn't one every year. There's a very realistic possibility that the Giants go years between settling the QB position. They're on the clock for Saquon's contract. In 3-4 years they'll have a business decision to make. In that same time frame we might be re-living Barry Sanders' detroit lions experience.
That's true, but guess what? There is no indication that Darnold, Rosen, and Allen will be franchise QBs either. Who's to say they won't wind up like Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota and Blake Bortles? Or Sam Bradford? Or Mark Sanchez?
Time will tell, but the point is you have to trust your scouts and trust your own judgment.
There is some indication. They're off to better starts than Jared Goff, so the odds are better than just a hail mary crapshoot. This group of QBs were more refined prospects than people were willing to give them credit for.
And that doesn't make them failproof, but they're not the same caliber of prospect as a Mark Sanchez.
Again, remains to be seen. They may or may not, but the point is that no one at this juncture can definitely say we made a mistake.
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In comment 14135607 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Just wait another few years.
Barkley contingent would much prefer giants get a Trent Dilfer like qb
No but morons like you want to put out 6 games as statistical proof that Darnold is some franchise QB
Here's a statistic for you Dilfer has more SB wins than Marino. He must be better right? THis place is full of idiots and morons
Duh da duh I didnit noe dat George..duh..george
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In comment 14135607 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Just wait another few years.
Barkley contingent would much prefer giants get a Trent Dilfer like qb
No but morons like you want to put out 6 games as statistical proof that Darnold is some franchise QB
Here's a statistic for you Dilfer has more SB wins than Marino. He must be better right? THis place is full of idiots and morons
There's more proof than that. I think when you look at certain QB's early in their careers and you see that combination of physical tools, high football IQ, dedication to the game and the emotional maturity...it's almost tough to see QB's of that pedigree failing. Darnold is all of those things. And so was Eli for that matter
Dave in Hoboken : 10/19/2018 11:20 am : link : reply
He committed too many turnovers in college!11!..or something..
Literally nobody said Darnold had zero chance to make it in the NFL, and based on what he's done so far, you can't even claim he's doing anything.
after 6 games, the guy is going to make it or not in the NFL? Why don't you put this energy into predicting the MegaMillions numbers?
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In comment 14136142 micky said:
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In comment 14135607 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Just wait another few years.
Barkley contingent would much prefer giants get a Trent Dilfer like qb
No but morons like you want to put out 6 games as statistical proof that Darnold is some franchise QB
Here's a statistic for you Dilfer has more SB wins than Marino. He must be better right? THis place is full of idiots and morons
There's more proof than that. I think when you look at certain QB's early in their careers and you see that combination of physical tools, high football IQ, dedication to the game and the emotional maturity...it's almost tough to see QB's of that pedigree failing. Darnold is all of those things. And so was Eli for that matter
I don't dislike Darnold at all. And he looks pretty good now. But so did Sanchez at one point. My issue is the. Ever ending self created stat lines that "prove" some self created point.
I'll suggest(an opinion that isn't fact) that a "franchise"'. QB while important isn't as big. A deal as people here are making. I think Barkley will
Have a better career than Darnold at this point. I think his skill
Set is more unique. And that doesn't mean Darnold is going to be good or even great. This isn't an either or argument. Both teams may never sniff a Supebowl with both. The hand wringing and insanity and crazy mental
gymnastic posts after 6 games is lunacy
The Giants are supposed to be kicking themselves for not taking this guy? Ok.
The Giants are supposed to be kicking themselves for not taking this guy? Ok.
He's just a rookie, give the guy some time. I'm a huge Barkley fan. I get the frustration of some fans on this board that go overboard for a Darnold play and stay quiet during Barkley's crazy plays, but again he's just a rookie.
It is like people are so dug in on their takes that they won't even admit when the guy plays like crap, and laughably, one of the people who posted that regularly kills Eli.
It is like people are so dug in on their takes that they won't even admit when the guy plays like crap, and laughably, one of the people who posted that regularly kills Eli.
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another completely unimpressive performance from Darnold.
The Giants are supposed to be kicking themselves for not taking this guy? Ok.
He's just a rookie, give the guy some time. I'm a huge Barkley fan. I get the frustration of some fans on this board that go overboard for a Darnold play and stay quiet during Barkley's crazy plays, but again he's just a rookie.
Well the thing is that the biggest knock on Darnold prior to the draft was his ability to consistently give the ball to the other team.
This is what he is known for. I'm not sure we can call them rookie mistakes, it is what he has always done, and likely what he will continue to do.
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Actually I thought that Darnold played pretty well today, tough winds, primary receiver out, scrubs in. One pick went right off the hands and another bad route by WR, not to mention quite a few drops. Stats dont always tell the whole story, I thought he hung in there and competed.
Well, one of the most excruciatingly annoying things about the Darnold situation is that fans who ignore reasons for Manning's struggles, highlight the same reasons when Darnold struggles. The argument would be, well darnold is a rookie.
What they seem to miss is how many moving parts there are in football. There are many many times in a each football game where it seems obvious that a certain player is responsible for a negative play, but we have to look below the surface to see why a negative play occurred. I think they miss that.
Now, I'm not trying to explain this to YOU. You seem to get it.
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In comment 14137807 Mr. Bungle said:
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another completely unimpressive performance from Darnold.
The Giants are supposed to be kicking themselves for not taking this guy? Ok.
He's just a rookie, give the guy some time. I'm a huge Barkley fan. I get the frustration of some fans on this board that go overboard for a Darnold play and stay quiet during Barkley's crazy plays, but again he's just a rookie.
Well the thing is that the biggest knock on Darnold prior to the draft was his ability to consistently give the ball to the other team.
This is what he is known for. I'm not sure we can call them rookie mistakes, it is what he has always done, and likely what he will continue to do.
I personally like to give rookie qbs extra time. We also should look a bit closer why a qb has a reputation of giving the ball to the other team. There can certainly be actual reasons versus the player making the same mistake over again.