I know, I know, I know. Believe me I know.
I would ask Eli to take a paycut. Sounds harsh, but this concession will allow the Giants to field a competitive team. Reduce his hit to $10M somehow. Have Tisch fund Eli's charity or something.
Cut Vernon.
Cut Harrison (Giants are DEEP here and cheap).
Use that savings to buy one of a ORG/ORT or a OC.
Draft OL/DE/OL/DE/OL/DE
Get that OL fixed ONCE for Eli.
We will have Beal coming back to add to the DBs.
The young edge rushers will be a year older (Carter and Mcintosh). Draft more.
We will have the best RB in the league.
Give Eli time to be clutch.
Give Betcher a bunch of young fast Edge rushers to rotate.
Let's go out in a blaze of glory.
lol
but a veteran will be expensive that’s any good. there is a chance Eli shows enough to stay starter next year.
LG :Hernandez
OC: Halapio
RG:Top FA ORG in FA
ORT: Top Available OT in Draft (1st Round Pick)
That would change Saquon's production as well
I personally hate it but Eli playing next year is not out of realm of outcomes.
Snacks should yield a decent return as his value will never be higher. His health will likely curtail any option of playing beyond the 2 years remaining on his contract. Get what you can and let him contribute on a winning team. He has earned it.
OLB: Bosa
DE:Mcintosh
DT:Tomlinson
DE:Hill
OLB:Carter
Draft Greg Little in Rd 2
Jonah Williams.
I personally hate it but Eli playing next year is not out of realm of outcomes.
Imaginable...yet awful.
OLB: Bosa
DE:Mcintosh
DT:Tomlinson
DE:Hill
OLB:Carter
Draft Greg Little in Rd 2
To get Bosa, we'll need the #1 pick (no worse than #3). I suspect after the dust settles of the season, we will be in the 6-10 range.
2. Complete cutting of cord.
I'm Eli's biggest fan, and probably defender, but at 38 and in the last year of his contract, those really are the only two options.
The organization has to look to its future. They got on big piece in SB, now it's time to get the other piece at QB.
2. Complete cutting of cord.
I'm Eli's biggest fan, and probably defender, but at 38 and in the last year of his contract, those really are the only two options.
The organization has to look to its future. They got on big piece in SB, now it's time to get the other piece at QB.
I was a draft a Qb guy but that ship has sailed. I don't see that QB depth in this draft increasing the risk that the Giants will take the wrong guy. The 2020 class looks much much stronger, I'd rather go for it this year and draft QB then.
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1. Pay cut and mentor a young QB
2. Complete cutting of cord.
I'm Eli's biggest fan, and probably defender, but at 38 and in the last year of his contract, those really are the only two options.
The organization has to look to its future. They got on big piece in SB, now it's time to get the other piece at QB.
I was a draft a Qb guy but that ship has sailed. I don't see that QB depth in this draft increasing the risk that the Giants will take the wrong guy. The 2020 class looks much much stronger, I'd rather go for it this year and draft QB then.
So who are the 2020 QBs........stacked up against the 2019 QBs??
The kid Herbert from Oregon looks to have everything - and more - than every single guy from 2018 IMO.
He's Josh Allen but more polished.
Yes, we did, DG could not fix years of Reese. Imagine if Flowers became a good player? How might they look? I think DG's strength is OL, one more year to give Eli a real one.
Plus the new QB they draft in 2020 will inherit a good OL.
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1. Pay cut and mentor a young QB
2. Complete cutting of cord.
I'm Eli's biggest fan, and probably defender, but at 38 and in the last year of his contract, those really are the only two options.
The organization has to look to its future. They got on big piece in SB, now it's time to get the other piece at QB.
I was a draft a Qb guy but that ship has sailed. I don't see that QB depth in this draft increasing the risk that the Giants will take the wrong guy. The 2020 class looks much much stronger, I'd rather go for it this year and draft QB then.
So who are the 2020 QBs........stacked up against the 2019 QBs??
The kid Herbert from Oregon looks to have everything - and more - than every single guy from 2018 IMO.
He's Josh Allen but more polished.
I like Herbert but we are comparing him to the 4th rated QB from last year, the 4th! Thats how deep last year was.
That would make the 3 years of 2017-2019 one colossal waste of time...
Honestly that was last year's rationale and it made sense then walking into a talent rich QB draft.
This year? I dont see the franchise QBs yet.
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1. Pay cut and mentor a young QB
2. Complete cutting of cord.
I'm Eli's biggest fan, and probably defender, but at 38 and in the last year of his contract, those really are the only two options.
The organization has to look to its future. They got on big piece in SB, now it's time to get the other piece at QB.
I was a draft a Qb guy but that ship has sailed. I don't see that QB depth in this draft increasing the risk that the Giants will take the wrong guy. The 2020 class looks much much stronger, I'd rather go for it this year and draft QB then.
So who are the 2020 QBs........stacked up against the 2019 QBs??
The kid Herbert from Oregon looks to have everything - and more - than every single guy from 2018 IMO.
He's Josh Allen but more polished.
I like Herbert but we are comparing him to the 4th rated QB from last year, the 4th! Thats how deep last year was.
Well, I'm actually saying he has the skill set of Allen, but not as raw. He's polished you can see it.
From that perspective, I have him actually higher than Allen.
He's got way more size than Mayfield, and think he looks better than Rosen or Darnold.
He signed Omameh to start. If OL is his strength, I'd hate to see his weakness.
I can only see that happening if they Giants accumulate 5-7 wins this year, and can't move up..........
QB is without question on their radar. Has to be.
Well, I'm actually saying he has the skill set of Allen, but not as raw. He's polished you can see it.
From that perspective, I have him actually higher than Allen.
He's got way more size than Mayfield, and think he looks better than Rosen or Darnold.
Ok, if you think he's that good I get it worth the risk. I admit I dont see it with Herbert but thats just me. Also what if they dont have the top pick? Trade up to get him? So many questions and added resources and no idea if they can actually land him.
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I think DG's strength is OL
He signed Omameh to start. If OL is his strength, I'd hate to see his weakness.
Yup, fair to say. But he hit on WH, so lets give him some credit there. WH is better than anyone Reese drafted EVER.
Ok, if you think he's that good I get it worth the risk. I admit I dont see it with Herbert but thats just me. Also what if they dont have the top pick? Trade up to get him? So many questions and added resources and no idea if they can actually land him.
It's October. Giants are 1-5. Last year they were 3-13. Our offense hasn't looked good in 4 years. And you want Eli back again next year? Waste another year of a top WR and RB?
Draft a QB. Cut ties with Eli.
We can step into that draft with a really good OL and the best RB in the draft.
Well that's certainly not true.
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Ok, if you think he's that good I get it worth the risk. I admit I dont see it with Herbert but thats just me. Also what if they dont have the top pick? Trade up to get him? So many questions and added resources and no idea if they can actually land him.
It's October. Giants are 1-5. Last year they were 3-13. Our offense hasn't looked good in 4 years. And you want Eli back again next year? Waste another year of a top WR and RB?
Draft a QB. Cut ties with Eli.
I think drafting the wrong QB is the worst move. And I dont see it this year.
I want a top 10 OL. If DG can deliver that, the new QB in 2020 will step into a great situation.
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WH is better than anyone Reese drafted EVER.
Well that's certainly not true.
Meant OL Reese drafted.
We can step into that draft with a really good OL and the best RB in the draft.
I just can't fathom how anyone can think this is a good idea. We are now looking at 3 straight years of regression and it's gotten to the point where he looks like one of the worst starters in the league. Now, I understand that the OL plays a role in this as well, but even if he was average, he wouldn't look this bad. He's been brutally bad and its now a 3 year trend. How can you really think this is a good idea???
Hard pass. He either retires or the Giants cut him. Keeping him would be incredibly stupid and the Giants would be the laughingstock of the league (again).
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leaving Eli in place has been the plan, but the plan is looking weaker and weaker.
I can only see that happening if they Giants accumulate 5-7 wins this year, and can't move up..........
QB is without question on their radar. Has to be.
QB will be on their radar, and they still might prefer Eli to start and get through another difficult season, accumulating high picks and cap space, make trades, etc.
I'm targeting 2020 to be a good team.
The Giants need a longterm solution at QB, C, RG, RT, WR depth, FS, Edge Rusher, Nickle Corner. And that's assuming Jenkins and Vernon show enough to keep their salary and Collins is retained.
Gettleman had a dynamite draft, it's difficult not to with the 2nd pick. He's probably going to get another prime position next year too.
But 2019 is going to be rough.
...this team will NO LONGER win with Eli at the helm.
He lost his swagger, his confidence and his gun-slinger mentality a while ago, and all his team mates know it.
This team needs a complete wash, re-do, start-over, re-build.
By definition, that means Eli is gone before the start of the 2019 season.
Any other scenario is just more of the same: no hope, no glory, no wins.
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but this year's QB crop is weak imo. 2020 QB draft looks rich.
We can step into that draft with a really good OL and the best RB in the draft.
I just can't fathom how anyone can think this is a good idea. We are now looking at 3 straight years of regression and it's gotten to the point where he looks like one of the worst starters in the league. Now, I understand that the OL plays a role in this as well, but even if he was average, he wouldn't look this bad. He's been brutally bad and its now a 3 year trend. How can you really think this is a good idea???
There's more than a handful of times this year when Eli did have time he missed simple pitch and catch throws. I love Eli, but he's done. There's no fixing the line, no adding more weapons, changing the offense. It's change the QB.
Lock
Finley
Jones
Its so much weaker than last year's draft. Drafting your biggest need in a weak draft, to me thats recipe for disaster.
Lock
Finley
Jones
Its so much weaker than last year's draft. Drafting your biggest need in a weak draft, to me thats recipe for disaster.
Its October, its ridiculous to try and judge these guys. Let the season unfold.