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I think the Giants should go all in on Eli next year

Jim in Forest Hills : 10/19/2018 8:45 am
I know, I know, I know. Believe me I know.

I would ask Eli to take a paycut. Sounds harsh, but this concession will allow the Giants to field a competitive team. Reduce his hit to $10M somehow. Have Tisch fund Eli's charity or something.

Cut Vernon.

Cut Harrison (Giants are DEEP here and cheap).

Use that savings to buy one of a ORG/ORT or a OC.

Draft OL/DE/OL/DE/OL/DE

Get that OL fixed ONCE for Eli.

We will have Beal coming back to add to the DBs.

The young edge rushers will be a year older (Carter and Mcintosh). Draft more.

We will have the best RB in the league.

Give Eli time to be clutch.

Give Betcher a bunch of young fast Edge rushers to rotate.

Let's go out in a blaze of glory.
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I don't believe you  
Rocky369 : 10/19/2018 8:46 am : link
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bceagle05 : 10/19/2018 8:48 am : link
Our top two draft picks will allow access to the top OL/ER  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/19/2018 8:49 am : link
we will have the top rated OT available.
Oh we'd most certainly go out in a blaze,  
Keith : 10/19/2018 8:49 am : link
just not sure it would be glorious. It'd probably be more like a blaze of regret or disaster.
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Jim in Forest Hills : 10/19/2018 8:49 am : link
In comment 14135196 bceagle05 said:
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lol
they may ask him to take a pay cut  
hassan : 10/19/2018 8:50 am : link
in particular if they are not in a good position to take the one or two studs from this draft. good chance they are in limbo land. i would rather they play lauletta between this season and the drafting of the next qb.

but a veteran will be expensive that’s any good. there is a chance Eli shows enough to stay starter next year.
Any Giants fan thinking Eli is our qb next season  
NYG007 : 10/19/2018 8:51 am : link
please lay off the glue. I love him too, always will. I just pray he goes out gracefully and retires.
OL next year could look like this  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/19/2018 8:51 am : link
LT:Solder
LG :Hernandez
OC: Halapio
RG:Top FA ORG in FA
ORT: Top Available OT in Draft (1st Round Pick)

That would change Saquon's production as well
NY07  
hassan : 10/19/2018 8:54 am : link
what if this team ends up 6-10? Eli’s stat line is decent? would you put it past this management to play him again?

I personally hate it but Eli playing next year is not out of realm of outcomes.
Preaching to the Choir.  
Diver_Down : 10/19/2018 8:55 am : link
But I would add that we are not going anywhere this season so Vernon and Snacks should be shopped before the deadline to garner draft capital. Vernon is a luxury. He has had his injuries, but even when healthy, he isn't a difference maker. He won't be earning $15.5M next year. So the option is to release or restructure.

Snacks should yield a decent return as his value will never be higher. His health will likely curtail any option of playing beyond the 2 years remaining on his contract. Get what you can and let him contribute on a winning team. He has earned it.
Or draft the top Edge rusher in rd 1 and OT n rd 2  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/19/2018 8:55 am : link
Imagine

OLB: Bosa
DE:Mcintosh
DT:Tomlinson
DE:Hill
OLB:Carter

Draft Greg Little in Rd 2
RE: Our top two draft picks will allow access to the top OL/ER  
Diver_Down : 10/19/2018 8:56 am : link
In comment 14135198 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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we will have the top rated OT available.


Jonah Williams.
RE: NY07  
Jimmy Googs : 10/19/2018 8:57 am : link
In comment 14135207 hassan said:
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what if this team ends up 6-10? Eli’s stat line is decent? would you put it past this management to play him again?

I personally hate it but Eli playing next year is not out of realm of outcomes.


Imaginable...yet awful.
RE: Or draft the top Edge rusher in rd 1 and OT n rd 2  
Diver_Down : 10/19/2018 8:58 am : link
In comment 14135209 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Imagine

OLB: Bosa
DE:Mcintosh
DT:Tomlinson
DE:Hill
OLB:Carter

Draft Greg Little in Rd 2


To get Bosa, we'll need the #1 pick (no worse than #3). I suspect after the dust settles of the season, we will be in the 6-10 range.
No  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/19/2018 8:59 am : link
Just.. no.
there will be two options on the table...  
BillKo : 10/19/2018 9:00 am : link
1. Pay cut and mentor a young QB

2. Complete cutting of cord.

I'm Eli's biggest fan, and probably defender, but at 38 and in the last year of his contract, those really are the only two options.

The organization has to look to its future. They got on big piece in SB, now it's time to get the other piece at QB.
By the way,  
Keith : 10/19/2018 9:01 am : link
we went all in on Eli this year, its not working. I think you mean...we should continue to go all in on Eli.
RE: there will be two options on the table...  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/19/2018 9:02 am : link
In comment 14135219 BillKo said:
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1. Pay cut and mentor a young QB

2. Complete cutting of cord.

I'm Eli's biggest fan, and probably defender, but at 38 and in the last year of his contract, those really are the only two options.

The organization has to look to its future. They got on big piece in SB, now it's time to get the other piece at QB.


I was a draft a Qb guy but that ship has sailed. I don't see that QB depth in this draft increasing the risk that the Giants will take the wrong guy. The 2020 class looks much much stronger, I'd rather go for it this year and draft QB then.
Another dumb dep thread  
dep026 : 10/19/2018 9:05 am : link
Oh wait... it’s not me this time. Whew....
RE: RE: there will be two options on the table...  
BillKo : 10/19/2018 9:05 am : link
In comment 14135224 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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In comment 14135219 BillKo said:


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1. Pay cut and mentor a young QB

2. Complete cutting of cord.

I'm Eli's biggest fan, and probably defender, but at 38 and in the last year of his contract, those really are the only two options.

The organization has to look to its future. They got on big piece in SB, now it's time to get the other piece at QB.



I was a draft a Qb guy but that ship has sailed. I don't see that QB depth in this draft increasing the risk that the Giants will take the wrong guy. The 2020 class looks much much stronger, I'd rather go for it this year and draft QB then.


So who are the 2020 QBs........stacked up against the 2019 QBs??

The kid Herbert from Oregon looks to have everything - and more - than every single guy from 2018 IMO.

He's Josh Allen but more polished.
RE: By the way,  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/19/2018 9:05 am : link
In comment 14135222 Keith said:
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we went all in on Eli this year, its not working. I think you mean...we should continue to go all in on Eli.


Yes, we did, DG could not fix years of Reese. Imagine if Flowers became a good player? How might they look? I think DG's strength is OL, one more year to give Eli a real one.

Plus the new QB they draft in 2020 will inherit a good OL.
Imo  
jtgiants : 10/19/2018 9:06 am : link
Eli Will absolutely be our qb next season. The team and eli will announce at the end of next season he retires. I really believe this will be the case.
Ugh  
jeff57 : 10/19/2018 9:06 am : link
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RE: RE: RE: there will be two options on the table...  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/19/2018 9:07 am : link
In comment 14135227 BillKo said:
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1. Pay cut and mentor a young QB

2. Complete cutting of cord.

I'm Eli's biggest fan, and probably defender, but at 38 and in the last year of his contract, those really are the only two options.

The organization has to look to its future. They got on big piece in SB, now it's time to get the other piece at QB.



I was a draft a Qb guy but that ship has sailed. I don't see that QB depth in this draft increasing the risk that the Giants will take the wrong guy. The 2020 class looks much much stronger, I'd rather go for it this year and draft QB then.



So who are the 2020 QBs........stacked up against the 2019 QBs??

The kid Herbert from Oregon looks to have everything - and more - than every single guy from 2018 IMO.

He's Josh Allen but more polished.


I like Herbert but we are comparing him to the 4th rated QB from last year, the 4th! Thats how deep last year was.
Why would we draft a qb of the future  
superspynyg : 10/19/2018 9:07 am : link
When we can keep a 38 year old Qb? Makes as much sense as giving Iran nukes.
Fixing OL in one year  
gmenatlarge : 10/19/2018 9:09 am : link
wasn't that what DG was supposed to do this year? So far epic fail, so we should try that again?
RE: Imo  
Jimmy Googs : 10/19/2018 9:09 am : link
In comment 14135230 jtgiants said:
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Eli Will absolutely be our qb next season. The team and eli will announce at the end of next season he retires. I really believe this will be the case.


That would make the 3 years of 2017-2019 one colossal waste of time...
RE: Why would we draft a qb of the future  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/19/2018 9:09 am : link
In comment 14135237 superspynyg said:
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When we can keep a 38 year old Qb? Makes as much sense as giving Iran nukes.


Honestly that was last year's rationale and it made sense then walking into a talent rich QB draft.

This year? I dont see the franchise QBs yet.
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BillKo : 10/19/2018 9:10 am : link
In comment 14135235 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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1. Pay cut and mentor a young QB

2. Complete cutting of cord.

I'm Eli's biggest fan, and probably defender, but at 38 and in the last year of his contract, those really are the only two options.

The organization has to look to its future. They got on big piece in SB, now it's time to get the other piece at QB.



I was a draft a Qb guy but that ship has sailed. I don't see that QB depth in this draft increasing the risk that the Giants will take the wrong guy. The 2020 class looks much much stronger, I'd rather go for it this year and draft QB then.



So who are the 2020 QBs........stacked up against the 2019 QBs??

The kid Herbert from Oregon looks to have everything - and more - than every single guy from 2018 IMO.

He's Josh Allen but more polished.



I like Herbert but we are comparing him to the 4th rated QB from last year, the 4th! Thats how deep last year was.


Well, I'm actually saying he has the skill set of Allen, but not as raw. He's polished you can see it.

From that perspective, I have him actually higher than Allen.

He's got way more size than Mayfield, and think he looks better than Rosen or Darnold.
Giants will likely stink in 2019  
JonC : 10/19/2018 9:10 am : link
leaving Eli in place has been the plan, but the plan is looking weaker and weaker.
RE: RE: By the way,  
Greg from LI : 10/19/2018 9:12 am : link
In comment 14135228 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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I think DG's strength is OL


He signed Omameh to start. If OL is his strength, I'd hate to see his weakness.
RE: Giants will likely stink in 2019  
BillKo : 10/19/2018 9:13 am : link
In comment 14135245 JonC said:
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leaving Eli in place has been the plan, but the plan is looking weaker and weaker.


I can only see that happening if they Giants accumulate 5-7 wins this year, and can't move up..........

QB is without question on their radar. Has to be.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: there will be two options on the table...  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/19/2018 9:13 am : link
In comment 14135243 BillKo said:
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Well, I'm actually saying he has the skill set of Allen, but not as raw. He's polished you can see it.

From that perspective, I have him actually higher than Allen.

He's got way more size than Mayfield, and think he looks better than Rosen or Darnold.


Ok, if you think he's that good I get it worth the risk. I admit I dont see it with Herbert but thats just me. Also what if they dont have the top pick? Trade up to get him? So many questions and added resources and no idea if they can actually land him.
RE: RE: RE: By the way,  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/19/2018 9:14 am : link
In comment 14135248 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14135228 Jim in Forest Hills said:


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I think DG's strength is OL



He signed Omameh to start. If OL is his strength, I'd hate to see his weakness.


Yup, fair to say. But he hit on WH, so lets give him some credit there. WH is better than anyone Reese drafted EVER.
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LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/19/2018 9:16 am : link
In comment 14135250 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Ok, if you think he's that good I get it worth the risk. I admit I dont see it with Herbert but thats just me. Also what if they dont have the top pick? Trade up to get him? So many questions and added resources and no idea if they can actually land him.


It's October. Giants are 1-5. Last year they were 3-13. Our offense hasn't looked good in 4 years. And you want Eli back again next year? Waste another year of a top WR and RB?

Draft a QB. Cut ties with Eli.
Look Im not saying keep Eli forever  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/19/2018 9:16 am : link
but this year's QB crop is weak imo. 2020 QB draft looks rich.

We can step into that draft with a really good OL and the best RB in the draft.
RE: RE: RE: RE: By the way,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/19/2018 9:17 am : link
In comment 14135252 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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WH is better than anyone Reese drafted EVER.


Well that's certainly not true.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: there will be two options on the table...  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/19/2018 9:18 am : link
In comment 14135255 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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Ok, if you think he's that good I get it worth the risk. I admit I dont see it with Herbert but thats just me. Also what if they dont have the top pick? Trade up to get him? So many questions and added resources and no idea if they can actually land him.



It's October. Giants are 1-5. Last year they were 3-13. Our offense hasn't looked good in 4 years. And you want Eli back again next year? Waste another year of a top WR and RB?

Draft a QB. Cut ties with Eli.



I think drafting the wrong QB is the worst move. And I dont see it this year.

I want a top 10 OL. If DG can deliver that, the new QB in 2020 will step into a great situation.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: By the way,  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/19/2018 9:18 am : link
In comment 14135257 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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WH is better than anyone Reese drafted EVER.



Well that's certainly not true.


Meant OL Reese drafted.
RE: Look Im not saying keep Eli forever  
Keith : 10/19/2018 9:20 am : link
In comment 14135256 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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but this year's QB crop is weak imo. 2020 QB draft looks rich.

We can step into that draft with a really good OL and the best RB in the draft.


I just can't fathom how anyone can think this is a good idea. We are now looking at 3 straight years of regression and it's gotten to the point where he looks like one of the worst starters in the league. Now, I understand that the OL plays a role in this as well, but even if he was average, he wouldn't look this bad. He's been brutally bad and its now a 3 year trend. How can you really think this is a good idea???
It would such an exciting  
family progtitioner : 10/19/2018 9:20 am : link
offseason looking forward to another season of dink and dunk and sacks and 15ppg.

Hard pass. He either retires or the Giants cut him. Keeping him would be incredibly stupid and the Giants would be the laughingstock of the league (again).
RE: RE: Giants will likely stink in 2019  
JonC : 10/19/2018 9:20 am : link
In comment 14135249 BillKo said:
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In comment 14135245 JonC said:


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leaving Eli in place has been the plan, but the plan is looking weaker and weaker.



I can only see that happening if they Giants accumulate 5-7 wins this year, and can't move up..........

QB is without question on their radar. Has to be.


QB will be on their radar, and they still might prefer Eli to start and get through another difficult season, accumulating high picks and cap space, make trades, etc.

I'm targeting 2020 to be a good team.
...  
christian : 10/19/2018 9:21 am : link
The roster turnover was thorough, but the talent acquisition has been underwhelming. There's going to be another big turnover next year at a bunch of positions.

The Giants need a longterm solution at QB, C, RG, RT, WR depth, FS, Edge Rusher, Nickle Corner. And that's assuming Jenkins and Vernon show enough to keep their salary and Collins is retained.

Gettleman had a dynamite draft, it's difficult not to with the 2nd pick. He's probably going to get another prime position next year too.

But 2019 is going to be rough.
christian  
JonC : 10/19/2018 9:21 am : link
+1 across the board.
I disagree...  
M.S. : 10/19/2018 9:22 am : link

...this team will NO LONGER win with Eli at the helm.

He lost his swagger, his confidence and his gun-slinger mentality a while ago, and all his team mates know it.

This team needs a complete wash, re-do, start-over, re-build.

By definition, that means Eli is gone before the start of the 2019 season.

Any other scenario is just more of the same: no hope, no glory, no wins.
RE: RE: Look Im not saying keep Eli forever  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/19/2018 9:22 am : link
In comment 14135266 Keith said:
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In comment 14135256 Jim in Forest Hills said:


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but this year's QB crop is weak imo. 2020 QB draft looks rich.

We can step into that draft with a really good OL and the best RB in the draft.



I just can't fathom how anyone can think this is a good idea. We are now looking at 3 straight years of regression and it's gotten to the point where he looks like one of the worst starters in the league. Now, I understand that the OL plays a role in this as well, but even if he was average, he wouldn't look this bad. He's been brutally bad and its now a 3 year trend. How can you really think this is a good idea???


There's more than a handful of times this year when Eli did have time he missed simple pitch and catch throws. I love Eli, but he's done. There's no fixing the line, no adding more weapons, changing the offense. It's change the QB.
We are looking at guys like  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/19/2018 9:22 am : link
Herbert
Lock
Finley
Jones

Its so much weaker than last year's draft. Drafting your biggest need in a weak draft, to me thats recipe for disaster.
Ewi's coming!!  
micky : 10/19/2018 9:22 am : link
Ewi's coming!!
Tank  
Brian in SI : 10/19/2018 9:24 am : link
For Tua!!!!
RE: We are looking at guys like  
Keith : 10/19/2018 9:24 am : link
In comment 14135273 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Herbert
Lock
Finley
Jones

Its so much weaker than last year's draft. Drafting your biggest need in a weak draft, to me thats recipe for disaster.


Its October, its ridiculous to try and judge these guys. Let the season unfold.
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