I know, I know, I know. Believe me I know.
I would ask Eli to take a paycut. Sounds harsh, but this concession will allow the Giants to field a competitive team. Reduce his hit to $10M somehow. Have Tisch fund Eli's charity or something.
Cut Vernon.
Cut Harrison (Giants are DEEP here and cheap).
Use that savings to buy one of a ORG/ORT or a OC.
Draft OL/DE/OL/DE/OL/DE
Get that OL fixed ONCE for Eli.
We will have Beal coming back to add to the DBs.
The young edge rushers will be a year older (Carter and Mcintosh). Draft more.
We will have the best RB in the league.
Give Eli time to be clutch.
Give Betcher a bunch of young fast Edge rushers to rotate.
Let's go out in a blaze of glory.
I think the Giants will make a huge mistake looking for the franchise guy this year.
Either that or they will trade multiple picks to acquire the draft rights to someone I dont see comparable to last year.
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Its so much weaker than last year's draft. Drafting your biggest need in a weak draft, to me thats recipe for disaster.
2004 QB class
Eli
Rivers
Big Ben
2005 class was weak in comparison. But I'm sure 23 teams regret passing on Aaron Rodgers.
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Its so much weaker than last year's draft. Drafting your biggest need in a weak draft, to me thats recipe for disaster.
The biggest recipe for disaster is having Eli on the 2019 Giants roster. He's out. Get used to the idea.
Reminds me of the people who don't want to buy a computer because a faster one will be released next year.
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Lock
Finley
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Its so much weaker than last year's draft. Drafting your biggest need in a weak draft, to me thats recipe for disaster.
2004 QB class
Eli
Rivers
Big Ben
2005 class was weak in comparison. But I'm sure 23 teams regret passing on Aaron Rodgers.
I mean sure they could hit on a miracle like that. I just dont want to gamble the next 5 years on it.
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I think DG's strength is OL
He signed Omameh to start. If OL is his strength, I'd hate to see his weakness.
Lol
1. Eli is likely our QB to start the next season, even if we take a QB in the 1st round. He may only last a game or two, but he is likely still the QB next season on the roster at the very least.
2. You can't just make him take a pay cut. Be careful what you wish for. Any reduction in pay may have to involve a short extension.
3. Finally, there needs to be a veteran QB on the roster to help the rookie. If you cut Eli, the cost of his dead money PLUS the ridiculous amount of money it takes to sign a mediocre journeyman (see Sam Bradford), is MORE than leaving Eli's cap hit as is and keeping him as a mentor.
That's the deal. You can call me a homer, but that's the reality of the situation.
One just got cleared to practice, and the other hasn't exactly done much this year.
But why not go into the season with the two of them as our only veteran edge rushers? How could that plan possibly fail?
Not to mention cutting Snacks as well - to pay for OL. So in other words, let's dump all the resources into the OL, for an older QB who's just as likely to retire at the end of next season.
Terrible ideas, just awful all the way around.
Reminds me of the people who don't want to buy a computer because a faster one will be released next year.
jcn, Im in agreement with you on moving on from Eli. But look at the landscape, do you really see the guy in 2019? The strength of this class is OL and ER. For me the dominos are set to fall for this strategy.
I mean sure they could hit on a miracle like that. I just dont want to gamble the next 5 years on it.
Isn't the draft essentially a gamble? We just cut a top 10 pick from a few years ago. Apple hasn't performed like a top 10 pick. Giants need a QB.
If they don't grade a QB at where they are picking I'll accept that.
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'don't draft a QB this year' variety. They always work the same way, too 'I don't see a QB without risk in this draft'.
Reminds me of the people who don't want to buy a computer because a faster one will be released next year.
jcn, Im in agreement with you on moving on from Eli. But look at the landscape, do you really see the guy in 2019? The strength of this class is OL and ER. For me the dominos are set to fall for this strategy.
"This strategy" is essentially building the current Cowboys offense. And with just about squat on the defensive side of the ball, as opposed to that team.
It's a terrible strategy. They need a QB. There's no telling at this point how much of the OL is on them, vs. Eli's immobility. If anything, maybe Gettleman wasn't as bad as he was at picking FA OL, and they just look much worse because Eli's cooked.
You can call me a non-homer...
You can call me a non-homer...
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You can call me a non-homer...
Fact. He's gotta go.
I personally hate it but Eli playing next year is not out of realm of outcomes.
So you have us .500 the rest of the way??? LMFAO
You can call me a non-homer...
It's logistics and financials. Those have to be in line.
You can wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which ones gets filled first.
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Agree... the best thing we can do is get a QB that can avoid the rush even a little bit. Even if we find two quality OLs to plug in to make Eli feel a little comfortable, we are an injury or two away from the OL to having the same shitty offense again. The position of QB has evolved.
Peronally I think we need to play balls out the rest of this season.
Go for it on 4th, fake punts, onside kicks. Make every team that plays us be on pins and needles. What was it Gene Hackman said in the Replacements?
"Listen up! Teams haven't been afraid of you, and they should be, because you have a powerful weapon working for you tonight: There is no tomorrow for you... and that makes you all VERY DANGEROUS PEOPLE!"
That's how I want this team to play the rest of the season.
From a business standpoint, it has to make sense logistically and financially.
The Giants need a veteran QB on the roster next year regardless of the future. See Sam Bradford and Josh Rosen. It will not make sense to cut Manning, take his dead money cap hit, AND sign a journeyman QB. They would just keep Manning over that option.
It could just be a transitional strategy as well.
It could just be a transitional strategy as well.
So long as Eli's on the bench with a visor and a clip board, I guess that's OK. But it's not really.
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The young edge rushers will be a year older (Carter and Mcintosh). Draft more.
One just got cleared to practice, and the other hasn't exactly done much this year.
But why not go into the season with the two of them as our only veteran edge rushers? How could that plan possibly fail?
Not to mention cutting Snacks as well - to pay for OL. So in other words, let's dump all the resources into the OL, for an older QB who's just as likely to retire at the end of next season.
Terrible ideas, just awful all the way around.
The OL will be there for the new guy, just remember that.
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Ok, if you think he's that good I get it worth the risk. I admit I dont see it with Herbert but thats just me. Also what if they dont have the top pick? Trade up to get him? So many questions and added resources and no idea if they can actually land him.
It's October. Giants are 1-5. Last year they were 3-13. Our offense hasn't looked good in 4 years. And you want Eli back again next year? Waste another year of a top WR and RB?
Draft a QB. Cut ties with Eli.
I think drafting the wrong QB is the worst move. And I dont see it this year.
I want a top 10 OL. If DG can deliver that, the new QB in 2020 will step into a great situation.
By your logic we go oline oline oline we fix that first we will win games and not be in any position to get one of these guys in 2020 without giving up the farm
#suckfortheduck
That plan has to be in place long before the draft, and they damn well better be sure about a QB and their position to get one if they do.
They have to get him out of here and move on. Eli will never take a pay cut, nor would I expect him to. My hope is that he just retires...but he may force the Giants hand.
For me that strategy was LAST year, with the #2 pick in a rich draft. I feel that one of Darnold/Rosen/Allen/Jackson would be a franchise guy and we had access to all of them.
That plan has to be in place long before the draft, and they damn well better be sure about a QB and their position to get one if they do.
It's not like we're going to be better off with Eli - does it really make a difference?
Cutting a QB under contract without a succession plan is not good business.
That plan has to be in place long before the draft, and they damn well better be sure about a QB and their position to get one if they do.
They better be sure?? Whats the downside?
That plan has to be in place long before the draft, and they damn well better be sure about a QB and their position to get one if they do.
Before March 2019 is exactly when they're gonna do it.
There is, of course, one alternative. Giants management meets with Eli to tell him to retire gracefully (and we will honor you appropriately) or face being cut by Feb 28th.
2. Manning is under contract for next year.
3. The cap hit will be higher to cut Manning and sign a journeyman QB to the roster.
What's the likely scenario?
Eli cannot be the QB again next year, I'm sorry. Any plan that includes that is the wrong one and provides zero benefit.
The Giants WILL cut/trade/restructure Eli next year.
The Giants WILL draft a QB.
It's literally the same thing. Stop looking at what you want and need and start looking at what is likely.
And I'm fine with them putting Lauletta in this year. And I'm fine with them drafting a QB in the first round this year.
Same as I was last year.
It could just be a transitional strategy as well.
I could see that as well if they cut him or he retires Id like to see either a mcown although I can see him retire and go into coaching next season or someone like him that knows hes only here to help the rookie qb and play untill the kid is ready whether its week 1 or 10
2. Manning is under contract for next year.
3. The cap hit will be higher to cut Manning and sign a journeyman QB to the roster.
What's the likely scenario?
#3 is pure bullshit. Certainly not a fact, and in all probability just false.
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1. The Giants need a veteran QB on the roster next year.
2. Manning is under contract for next year.
3. The cap hit will be higher to cut Manning and sign a journeyman QB to the roster.
What's the likely scenario?
#3 is pure bullshit. Certainly not a fact, and in all probability just false.
Is it? What's Eli's cap hit if they cut him?
What did Sam Bradford cost this year? What did Case Keenum cost this year?
Add the two together.
I wanted a QB because I knew we needed to plan for life after Eli like... yesterday. But I was also on board with Barkley because I thought he was the best player in the draft and felt that if Gettleman didn't LOVE any of the QB's on the board - then, so be it.
But the team still sucks and will likely have another top 3-5 pick next April. Not drafting a QB and moving on at that point would be absolutely looney.
It's over.