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QB Justin Herbert Watch: #12 Oregon @ #25 Washington State

Anakim : 10/20/2018 9:21 am
7:30 PM on Fox.


Herbert faces another tough test. Wazzu has beaten Oregon the last three times they've met (Herbert missed last year's game with a broken collarbone). Also, Wazzu has won 10 straight at home, so we'll see if Herbert can help break that streak.


S Jalen Thompson is the leader of Wazzu's secondary and will likely be a Day 2 pick in April if he declares.
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As someone on here who said it best  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/20/2018 9:23 am : link
#SuckForTheDuck
Tough test?  
dep026 : 10/20/2018 9:24 am : link
WSU isn’t really known for its defense... haha
I don’t see the Giants being in position to draft him..  
Sean : 10/20/2018 9:29 am : link
The Giants have had a brutal schedule & aside from Dallas & Philly, every other game was decided relatively late. Looking at their remaining schedule, I see some wins. Herbert feels like a Raider to me.
NC State vs. Clemson  
AcesUp : 10/20/2018 10:04 am : link
That's the game to watch as a Giants fan. Not because Finley is the better prospect but that game will tell us a lot about what kind of prospect Finley is.
RE: Tough test?  
Big Rick in FL : 10/20/2018 10:35 am : link
In comment 14136436 dep026 said:
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WSU isn’t really known for its defense... haha


Actually there Defense is pretty good. Especially there pass defense.

They're 9th in pass yards allowed. 10th in 3rd & 4th down conversion percentage. 7th in total defense. There 21st in sacks and passing efficiency. They only allow 23 points per game.
RE: RE: Tough test?  
dep026 : 10/20/2018 10:38 am : link
In comment 14136474 Big Rick in FL said:
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In comment 14136436 dep026 said:


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WSU isn’t really known for its defense... haha



Actually there Defense is pretty good. Especially there pass defense.

They're 9th in pass yards allowed. 10th in 3rd & 4th down conversion percentage. 7th in total defense. There 21st in sacks and passing efficiency. They only allow 23 points per game.


Against two decent offenses they gave up 39 and 36 points. Their out of conference games were against teams who throw as well as the Giants.
RE: NC State vs. Clemson  
markky : 10/20/2018 10:48 am : link
In comment 14136454 AcesUp said:
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That's the game to watch as a Giants fan. Not because Finley is the better prospect but that game will tell us a lot about what kind of prospect Finley is.


also keep an eye on Trevor Lawrence. That's who we'll be drafting in '21.
Obviously not the exact same defense  
BigBlueShock : 10/20/2018 10:52 am : link
But out of curiosity I checked to see how Darnolds did against them last year. 15-29 for 169 yards, 0 TDS and one interception. He did run a couple in for TDS for 2 yards and 4 yards.

I’m not sure if this years defense is better or worse, but they did a good job against Darnold last year so I’m not sure we can just dismiss them and everything Herbert may or may not accomplish tonight because you don’t think their defense is any good. WAZZU is a tough place to play
The kid may not come out til next year  
micky : 10/20/2018 10:54 am : link
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RE: The kid may not come out til next year  
robbieballs2003 : 10/20/2018 11:15 am : link
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I hope he comes out next year. That helps us. Did you mean in 2 years?
I remember when we worrid last year that Darnold may not come  
ZogZerg : 10/20/2018 11:18 am : link
out. He did and we passed on him....
RE: Tough test?  
Anakim : 10/20/2018 11:21 am : link
In comment 14136436 dep026 said:
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WSU isn’t really known for its defense... haha



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RE: The kid may not come out til next year  
larryflower37 : 10/20/2018 11:48 am : link
In comment 14136496 micky said:
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If he doesn't he is getting bad advice.
He will be #1 overall and Oregon is not winning a National championship if he stay in.
I know his brother is a incoming freshman but is that enough to risk millions of dollars?
RE: The kid may not come out til next year  
crick n NC : 10/20/2018 11:51 am : link
In comment 14136496 micky said:
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He doesn't win games by himself....pass
Daniel Jones is losing  
chopperhatch : 10/20/2018 12:53 pm : link
To UVA 7-0. Didnt look very confident on the previous 3rd down.
Didn't we just  
joeinpa : 10/20/2018 12:54 pm : link
Do this
RE: Didn't we just  
Anakim : 10/20/2018 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14136604 joeinpa said:
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Do this


Do what?
RE: RE: RE: Tough test?  
chopperhatch : 10/20/2018 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14136478 dep026 said:
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In comment 14136436 dep026 said:


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WSU isn’t really known for its defense... haha



Actually there Defense is pretty good. Especially there pass defense.

They're 9th in pass yards allowed. 10th in 3rd & 4th down conversion percentage. 7th in total defense. There 21st in sacks and passing efficiency. They only allow 23 points per game.



Against two decent offenses they gave up 39 and 36 points. Their out of conference games were against teams who throw as well as the Giants.


Jesus, not to be a nerd, but who cares about if either of you are right about the WSU D, you both need to refresh on the usages of "there, their and they're."


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Actually dep is cool, misread it.  
chopperhatch : 10/20/2018 12:57 pm : link
I was only joking too to try and diffuse the back n forth.

WSU is pretty good test just like UVA is a good one for Jones.
RE: RE: Didn't we just  
chopperhatch : 10/20/2018 1:03 pm : link
In comment 14136605 Anakim said:
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Do this



Do what?



He's being a dick Anak.

Just a suggestion, this thread would be better to have a thread on all 4/5 of the QBs (Jones, Herbert, Finley, Lock) so we can have all the comments together. Plus I have a feeling Raiders take Herbert at 1 anyways.


Jones with a beautiful deep ball and 12 yard pass dropped. He definitely has a terrific deep ball with more arc than Herbert's.
RE: Didn't we just  
BigBlueShock : 10/20/2018 1:06 pm : link
In comment 14136604 joeinpa said:
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Do this

So because they didn’t take the guy you wanted in the draft we can’t discuss QBs any further? It certainly hasn’t stopped you from posting on every single Darnold/Barkley thread since the draft. I guess you prefer to look backward while some of us prefer to look forward. To each their own I guess.

You’d swear that the world stopped turning after they passed on the almighty Sam Darnold...
Didn’t you guys know?  
UConn4523 : 10/20/2018 1:10 pm : link
there are no more QBs entering anymore drafts.
RE: Didn’t you guys know?  
chopperhatch : 10/20/2018 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14136615 UConn4523 said:
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there are no more QBs entering anymore drafts.


Its really freaking aggravating.
Daniel Jones with some adversity  
chopperhatch : 10/20/2018 1:18 pm : link
Down 14-0 early. Lets see if he can be turned loose.
Here’s what’s funny  
BigBlueShock : 10/20/2018 1:18 pm : link
This post here posted on the Darnold Mic’d up thread:

Actually what is odd
joeinpa : 10:20 am : link : reply
Is how many posters annoyed and disgusted by these threads continue to click on them.


Yet, here the same damn poster is, clicking on a thread that he clearly doesn’t want to discuss...oh the irony
Another drop  
chopperhatch : 10/20/2018 1:21 pm : link
On what wouldve been a 3rd down drop. Jones gets the ball out quickly and hums it on target but his TE drops it. Thats at least 3 drops from Duke receivers.
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Strahan91 : 10/20/2018 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14136613 chopperhatch said:
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Plus I have a feeling Raiders take Herbert at 1 anyways..


Not if Kyle Lauletta has something to say about it!
RE: Another drop  
chopperhatch : 10/20/2018 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14136622 chopperhatch said:
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On what wouldve been a 3rd down drop. Jones gets the ball out quickly and hums it on target but his TE drops it. Thats at least 3 drops from Duke receivers.


Should read 3rd down conversion not drop.
College football 10/20 and other QB prospect discussion  
chopperhatch : 10/20/2018 1:40 pm : link
Herbert thread is what it is.


Daniel Jones on now. Down 14-0 to UVA. He is plagied by drops, but just threw a deep ball into double coverage which led to a pick. Had a very nice run for the 1st on 3rd and 11.

Finley with 16 NC State v. 3 Clemson at 3:30 might be the game of the day.

Lock w/ Mizzou v. Memphis at 4

Of course Herbert plays tonight.
RE: Actually dep is cool, misread it.  
dep026 : 10/20/2018 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14136611 chopperhatch said:
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I was only joking too to try and diffuse the back n forth.

WSU is pretty good test just like UVA is a good one for Jones.


The funny part was I re-read my like 5 times and was like... I have to be right here! Yet still wasn’t sure... haha
RE: Actually dep is cool, misread it.  
Anakim : 10/20/2018 1:41 pm : link
In comment 14136611 chopperhatch said:
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I was only joking too to try and diffuse the back n forth.


You...uhhh, need to work on your pedigree? Like your pedigree, man. It stinks!
RE: RE: Actually dep is cool, misread it.  
chopperhatch : 10/20/2018 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14136643 Anakim said:
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I was only joking too to try and diffuse the back n forth.



You...uhhh, need to work on your pedigree? Like your pedigree, man. It stinks!



Yea, duh. Pedigree doesnt mean what it normally means when FranchiseQB posts it...you didnt get the memo?


What schmendrick.
I’m not sold  
Emil : 10/20/2018 4:27 pm : link
On any of these top QBs yet. I hope Herbert proves me wrong. The thing that concerns me with him are the descriptions of him as an introvert and that I have not seen him overcome adversity in a game yet. I want to know that the QB who takes over for Eli is A: a leader and B: a gamer. Herbert has the physical tools. I need to see him perform when the chips are down.

Johnson had an awful game today. Very disappointing.

Making the call now. If Gettleman reads these young QBs similar to me at the moment, get ready to take a pass rusher or OL early and ride with Lauletta or a vet (like Bridgewater) in 2019.
RE: I don’t see the Giants being in position to draft him..  
Milton : 10/20/2018 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14136438 Sean said:
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The Giants have had a brutal schedule & aside from Dallas & Philly, every other game was decided relatively late. Looking at their remaining schedule, I see some wins. Herbert feels like a Raider to me.
The Giants are gonna go 8-8 plus or minus a win or two. So they won't be in a position to pick him and aren't likely to be in range for trading up. But if Arizona has the first pick and falls in love with Herbert, they may want to move Rosen to the highest bidder. Which could be the Giants! And like a new car that loses 20% of its value when it leaves the lot, he may not cost as much in trade as some think. It all depends on how he finishes out the year.
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Strahan91 : 10/20/2018 4:36 pm : link
Drew Bledsoe on @CollegeGameDay this morning: “Justin Herbert might be the most pro ready QB I’ve seen since I’ve been watching college football.”
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Strahan91 : 10/20/2018 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14136801 Milton said:
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The Giants have had a brutal schedule & aside from Dallas & Philly, every other game was decided relatively late. Looking at their remaining schedule, I see some wins. Herbert feels like a Raider to me.

The Giants are gonna go 8-8 plus or minus a win or two. So they won't be in a position to pick him and aren't likely to be in range for trading up. But if Arizona has the first pick and falls in love with Herbert, they may want to move Rosen to the highest bidder. Which could be the Giants! And like a new car that loses 20% of its value when it leaves the lot, he may not cost as much in trade as some think. It all depends on how he finishes out the year.


The 8-8 prediction might be more outrageous than Arizona trading Rosen after one season. Which 7 games are we winning??
It's possible  
Jerry in DC : 10/20/2018 4:56 pm : link
Gettleman will never draft a qb in the 1st round. He might see this as a 3-4 year job and he wants to win during that time. He wouldn't come out and say it but he could always just babble his nonsense about the QBs being pretzels and whoever he drafts being a big ole steamroller machine.
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Milton : 10/20/2018 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14136805 Strahan91 said:
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The 8-8 prediction might be more outrageous than Arizona trading Rosen after one season. Which 7 games are we winning??
It starts with Monday night in Atlanta. Then they beat the Redskins at home. And then with eight extra days to prepare for another MNF game, they beat the struggling 49ers in San Fran. So that puts them at 4-5 and feeling pretty good about themselves. What follows is anybody's guess (ergo the "plus or minus a win or two").
RE: It's possible  
BigBlueShock : 10/20/2018 5:01 pm : link
In comment 14136828 Jerry in DC said:
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Gettleman will never draft a qb in the 1st round. He might see this as a 3-4 year job and he wants to win during that time. He wouldn't come out and say it but he could always just babble his nonsense about the QBs being pretzels and whoever he drafts being a big ole steamroller machine.

For fucks sake man. Get a grip. The guy has had all of ONE draft and he didn’t take who you wanted so now it’s possible he will never ever ever draft a QB in the first round. Some of you are simply embarrassing yourselves at this point.

Oh, and it sure looks like the guy he drafted isn’t far off from being a “big ole steamroller machine”, so there’s that. Whaaaaaa! But he’s not a QB damn it! I want my QB!!!!

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bradshaw44 : 10/20/2018 5:38 pm : link
In comment 14136803 Strahan91 said:
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Drew Bledsoe on @CollegeGameDay this morning: “Justin Herbert might be the most pro ready QB I’ve seen since I’ve been watching college football.”


Guess he never watched Tom Brady. Derp.
RE: RE: It's possible  
Mr. Bungle : 10/20/2018 6:30 pm : link
In comment 14136832 BigBlueShock said:
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Gettleman will never draft a qb in the 1st round. He might see this as a 3-4 year job and he wants to win during that time. He wouldn't come out and say it but he could always just babble his nonsense about the QBs being pretzels and whoever he drafts being a big ole steamroller machine.


For fucks sake man. Get a grip. The guy has had all of ONE draft and he didn’t take who you wanted so now it’s possible he will never ever ever draft a QB in the first round. Some of you are simply embarrassing yourselves at this point.

Oh, and it sure looks like the guy he drafted isn’t far off from being a “big ole steamroller machine”, so there’s that. Whaaaaaa! But he’s not a QB damn it! I want my QB!!!!

Jerry in DC is another one of those "only post when the Giants suck so I can take shots at them" people who vanishes when the team has success.

Another reason to hope the Giants turn it around.
RE: RE: I don’t see the Giants being in position to draft him..  
Sean : 10/20/2018 6:44 pm : link
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The Giants are gonna go 8-8 plus or minus a win or two. So they won't be in a position to pick him and aren't likely to be in range for trading up. But if Arizona has the first pick and falls in love with Herbert, they may want to move Rosen to the highest bidder. Which could be the Giants! And like a new car that loses 20% of its value when it leaves the lot, he may not cost as much in trade as some think. It all depends on how he finishes out the year.


I don’t know if you’re serious, but this isn’t impossible.
Holy shit  
Joey in VA : 10/20/2018 7:49 pm : link
Oregon has a guy on their staff who literally looks like the neckbeard avatar logo from Xbox. I can't imagine anyone knows what I mean, but it's amazing.
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Joey in VA : 10/20/2018 7:51 pm : link
In comment 14136607 chopperhatch said:
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WSU isn’t really known for its defense... haha



Actually there Defense is pretty good. Especially there pass defense.

They're 9th in pass yards allowed. 10th in 3rd & 4th down conversion percentage. 7th in total defense. There 21st in sacks and passing efficiency. They only allow 23 points per game.



Against two decent offenses they gave up 39 and 36 points. Their out of conference games were against teams who throw as well as the Giants.



Jesus, not to be a nerd, but who cares about if either of you are right about the WSU D, you both need to refresh on the usages of "there, their and they're."


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Fin a right. I mean i don't notice nor do I care about that type of thing.
If Hebert keeps  
Emil : 10/20/2018 8:34 pm : link
Playing like this he’ll be there if the Giants finish around 8-8. I see the tools everyone is talking about but I’m not seeing him control the flow of the game. Yet.

Still plenty of time in this game but he was a bit underwhelming last week and a non factor thus far tonight.
Wazzu an out playing herbert  
micky : 10/20/2018 8:47 pm : link
Lol
wash st is always dangerous  
Banks : 10/20/2018 8:50 pm : link
very fun team to watch under Leach
Forcing a QB pick will set the franchise back..  
Sean : 10/20/2018 9:01 pm : link
I’d rather go with Lauletta in 2019 and see what he can do. Either he does well, or we go QB in 2020.
No Thanks  
WillVAB : 10/20/2018 9:02 pm : link
The Giants can get shut out and lose by 30 with a QB already on the roster.
Jesus  
Joey in VA : 10/20/2018 9:11 pm : link
He goes from #1 overall to the worst player based on one half? Christ this place is unreal.
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