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Louis Riddick on Twitter describing the right side of our OL

edavisiii : 10/20/2018 12:04 pm
I caught Louis Riddick @LRiddickESPN talking about how bad Wheeler is. Someone tweeted that he might get better after a year of starts and he shot it right down ...

"What Saquon is doing in the running game behind this #giants OL is nothing short of a miracle every time he happens to gain positive yardage. Especially when running to the right. This OL is bad on that side. Really bad!


RESPONSE: "Lets hope Wheeler can show at least some type of progress".....RIDDICK: "Not going to happen... RESPONSE:..."Its possible, only his 2nd year and now he is a full time starter." RIDDICK: No. It isn’t. He is not good enough. I kid you not...it’s gross.......You could replace three of these guys with blocking dummies and you would not notice a difference. It’s sad in many ways.


Maybe Pulley helps the right side but this is disappointing to hear when you have a GM and Head Coach that were both OL and they couln't find better tackles. The Ereck Flowers disaster has had such a ripple effect. Not only was he a flop at LT, but his failure at RT really left us in a bad situation. What if Solder gets hurt??? Put Eli in a Michelin Man Suit???????
Let's hope they can coach up Brian Mihalik  
edavisiii : 10/20/2018 12:11 pm : link
Saw him at DE and Boston college, Athletic but a little light in the pants.
If there's one thing I have faith in with DG it's  
Strahan91 : 10/20/2018 12:19 pm : link
that given another offseason Gettlemen will find another couple of solid OL. Gettlemen's track record is really good in this department but nobody bats 1000.

In Car he signed Mike Remmers off another team's practice squad, drafted Daryl Williams in the 4th (second team all pro last year), signed Norwell as UDFA, drafted Trai Turner in the 3rd (3 time pro bowler), draft Taylor Moton late in the 2nd round (PFF's all first quarter team in his second season). That's without giving him credit for any of the Giants OL during his time here (he's been credited with O'Hara for example but who knows).

Omameh has been a bust but I'm hopeful that with more time at RG he can at least be average or slightly below vs where he is now. We'll see with Solder. He started very slowly last year but played much better during the second half so I'm hopeful.
Riddick skewers the line to praise Barkley  
BBelle21 : 10/20/2018 12:24 pm : link
But then he ignores this when asked about Eli and the pass protection he is working with? Hypocrisy
Disappointed that tge Giants picked Gettleman over you?  
Big Blue '56 : 10/20/2018 12:26 pm : link
Just askin’
Meanwhile NE loses 2 OTs in FA and their 1st rounder (Wynn) to injury  
jogo1 : 10/20/2018 12:26 pm : link
and somehow they haven't skipped a beat.
I wish we could see one game with solid O line play  
trueblueinpw : 10/20/2018 12:27 pm : link
I know the Eli debate is beyond worn out here but wouldn’t it be amazing to see a decent O line with all these skill players? Smh....
While this is not as bad  
joeinpa : 10/20/2018 12:35 pm : link
As 66 to 80, mostly because of length of time, and recent championships, the caliber of play is very similar.

Hard to believe in the era of free agency, this team could be so bad on the offensive line for 7 seasons
FA is hit and miss....  
MOOPS : 10/20/2018 12:47 pm : link
and can set you back monetarily for a few years with bad choices.
Our drafts under Reese set us back an untold number of years.
I hope DG can improve this. So far he's 50/50. His draft looks like an A but his first FA class a C- at best. Omemah is brutal and Stewart was a real headscratcher.
RE: Disappointed that tge Giants picked Gettleman over you?  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/20/2018 12:51 pm : link
In comment 14136576 Big Blue '56 said:
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Just askin’


I don’t know why your blasting him. Our right side of the offense, including the center, is brutal. Wheeler is not the answer. Omameh isn’t either.
RE: Meanwhile NE loses 2 OTs in FA and their 1st rounder (Wynn) to injury  
Toth029 : 10/20/2018 12:51 pm : link
In comment 14136578 jogo1 said:
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and somehow they haven't skipped a beat.

Coaching, scheme
"You could replace three of these guys with blocking dummies  
Jimmy Googs : 10/20/2018 12:57 pm : link
and you would not notice a difference."

I guess that would save some cap money for other positions...

I don't see it this way  
JerseyCityJoe : 10/20/2018 1:16 pm : link
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Riddick skewers the line to praise Barkley
BBelle21 : 12:24 pm : link : reply
But then he ignores this when asked about Eli and the pass protection he is working with? Hypocrisy


I think his point is Barley has still been successful. Eli not so much.
RE: I don't see it this way  
giants180 : 10/20/2018 1:30 pm : link
In comment 14136617 JerseyCityJoe said:
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Riddick skewers the line to praise Barkley
BBelle21 : 12:24 pm : link : reply
But then he ignores this when asked about Eli and the pass protection he is working with? Hypocrisy



I think his point is Barley has still been successful. Eli not so much.


barkley is 16 years younger and probably won't make it to 30 behind this line. eli was never a scrambler so all the little things footwork wise he does don't mean anything when 3 or 4 guys are surrounding you
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Larry in Pencilvania : 10/20/2018 1:36 pm : link
In comment 14136612 Jimmy Googs said:
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and you would not notice a difference."

I guess that would save some cap money for other positions...


Hey tackling dummies cost

RE: Disappointed that tge Giants picked Gettleman over you?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/20/2018 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14136576 Big Blue '56 said:
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Just askin’


Even if that was the case, what is he saying that's wrong here? We all know the right side has been bad.
It’s becoming more and more  
eric2425ny : 10/20/2018 1:57 pm : link
Apparent that we should have hired a GM outside of the Giants’ typical network. I honestly wish we would have hired Riddick at this point.
RE: It’s becoming more and more  
mdc1 : 10/20/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14136669 eric2425ny said:
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Apparent that we should have hired a GM outside of the Giants’ typical network. I honestly wish we would have hired Riddick at this point.


no kidding, and the stooge strategy continues. I suspect we will be wondering what is wrong next year when nothing is resolved. Until the owners stop acting like Dan Synder and bring in alpha male GM and staff and push off owner meddling we are not looking good moving into the future.
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Jimmy Googs : 10/20/2018 3:30 pm : link
In comment 14136635 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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In comment 14136612 Jimmy Googs said:


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and you would not notice a difference."

I guess that would save some cap money for other positions...




Hey tackling dummies cost


Well, it will be interesting to see the pulling guard and trap plays. I guess probably won't lose any more yards than usual...
There's nothing he says that isn't true  
Larry in Pencilvania : 10/20/2018 4:09 pm : link
The offensive line has been a deteriorating shit show since 2011. The prior regime did a poor job with their choices to build a new line. DG has done ok with the Hernandez pick but the rest is a mess and will need a couple of more draft picks and some FA picks just to get to average.

Nothing on offense will work until this mess is fixed
RE: There's nothing he says that isn't true  
mdc1 : 10/20/2018 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14136781 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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The offensive line has been a deteriorating shit show since 2011. The prior regime did a poor job with their choices to build a new line. DG has done ok with the Hernandez pick but the rest is a mess and will need a couple of more draft picks and some FA picks just to get to average.

Nothing on offense will work until this mess is fixed


what makes you believe that it will be fixed? That is a really big assumption given our track record. Sometimes incompetence becomes institutional as does perception about desire to coach and play for the Giants on the offensive line.
RE: If there's one thing I have faith in with DG it's  
Big Blue Blogger : 10/20/2018 4:35 pm : link
Strahan91 said:
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that given another offseason Gettlemen will find another couple of solid OL. Gettlemen's track record is really good in this department but nobody bats 1000.

In Car he signed Mike Remmers off another team's practice squad, drafted Daryl Williams in the 4th (second team all pro last year), signed Norwell as UDFA, drafted Trai Turner in the 3rd (3 time pro bowler), draft Taylor Moton late in the 2nd round (PFF's all first quarter team in his second season). That's without giving him credit for any of the Giants OL during his time here (he's been credited with O'Hara for example but who knows)....
Pretty long drought after O'Hara and McKenzie. Boothe was a nice utility player, but the reality is that Gettleman was right there with Reese and Ross while the line was falling apart, and he wasn't any more successful at stopping the bleeding than they were.
RE: RE: There's nothing he says that isn't true  
Larry in Pencilvania : 10/20/2018 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14136789 mdc1 said:
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In comment 14136781 Larry in Pencilvania said:


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The offensive line has been a deteriorating shit show since 2011. The prior regime did a poor job with their choices to build a new line. DG has done ok with the Hernandez pick but the rest is a mess and will need a couple of more draft picks and some FA picks just to get to average.

Nothing on offense will work until this mess is fixed



what makes you believe that it will be fixed? That is a really big assumption given our track record. Sometimes incompetence becomes institutional as does perception about desire to coach and play for the Giants on the offensive line.


Nothing... He's possibly hit on one pick. While he had a good track record in Carolina here needs to up his game next year or it's going to be the same old same old no matter who is the QB
RE: RE: If there's one thing I have faith in with DG it's  
eric2425ny : 10/20/2018 4:54 pm : link
In comment 14136802 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Strahan91 said:

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that given another offseason Gettlemen will find another couple of solid OL. Gettlemen's track record is really good in this department but nobody bats 1000.

In Car he signed Mike Remmers off another team's practice squad, drafted Daryl Williams in the 4th (second team all pro last year), signed Norwell as UDFA, drafted Trai Turner in the 3rd (3 time pro bowler), draft Taylor Moton late in the 2nd round (PFF's all first quarter team in his second season). That's without giving him credit for any of the Giants OL during his time here (he's been credited with O'Hara for example but who knows)....

Pretty long drought after O'Hara and McKenzie. Boothe was a nice utility player, but the reality is that Gettleman was right there with Reese and Ross while the line was falling apart, and he wasn't any more successful at stopping the bleeding than they were.


+1. Keep in mind that 40% of the great line we had was FA based, it wasn’t all home grown talent (O’Hara and McKenzie). I am a little concerned with the amount of cash Gettleman threw at Solder. It was like we couldn’t get Norwell so we just grabbed the next most expensive guy to save face. That signing could really hurt us for the next few years if he doesn’t pick it up.
RE: It’s becoming more and more  
Deejboy : 10/21/2018 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14136669 eric2425ny said:
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Apparent that we should have hired a GM outside of the Giants’ typical network. I honestly wish we would have hired Riddick at this point.

Riddick would have made things worse and panicked. DG isn't going to panic no matter how crazy the fan base is.
RE: RE: It’s becoming more and more  
Ash_3 : 10/21/2018 7:45 pm : link
In comment 14137660 Deejboy said:
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In comment 14136669 eric2425ny said:


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Apparent that we should have hired a GM outside of the Giants’ typical network. I honestly wish we would have hired Riddick at this point.


Riddick would have made things worse and panicked. DG isn't going to panic no matter how crazy the fan base is.


Is there any basis for anything you've said there?
DG isn't going to panic and that's why we took all the money  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/21/2018 8:27 pm : link
We tried to throw at Norwell and stuffed it in Nate solder's mouth, demanding that he take it.
RE: DG isn't going to panic and that's why we took all the money  
BigBlueShock : 10/21/2018 8:30 pm : link
In comment 14138133 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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We tried to throw at Norwell and stuffed it in Nate solder's mouth, demanding that he take it.

And if he didn’t, you’d be screaming that he sat back and did nothing...
Eli to Jacksonville??  
Adirondack GMen : 10/27/2018 10:27 pm : link
Jacksonville has a recently acquired lineman that would and should freeze Eli in his track.... Flowers.
RE: Disappointed that tge Giants picked Gettleman over you?  
Ned In Atlanta : 10/27/2018 11:35 pm : link
In comment 14136576 Big Blue '56 said:
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Just askin’


Nice burn. Gettlemans rebuild around Eli is going so well !
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