What I like so far about this regime is the willingness to try someone else if the starter isn’t getting it done. While that hasn’t been instituted across the board, this plus Flowers’s benching is somewhat refreshing.
Why is benching a player indicative of a clown show? Â
Another winning FA signing by DG. I hate to even contemplate this because he blew cock as well, but we might have been better off with fucking John Jerry this year.
until you find the right guys who can open up holes for Saquon and protect Eli. I prefer this to McAdoo’s stubbornness. But yes another painful season to watch.
RE: Why is benching a player indicative of a clown show? Â
He was underperforming. That's not Shurmur's fault.
Clown show might have been a bit strong. It's just that Omameh was brought in to be a starter & he's sucked. DG, like Reese before him, is making mistakes on the OL, Hernandez aside.
Playing next to Flowers couldn't have helped. Hoped DG found us one of his oline gems, but not nearly as triggered as other bbi'ers, he did get a fairly smol we think you kind of suck contract. Not the disaster contracts of Pugh or Richburg.
I honestly didnt think Omameh was that bad in JAX.. Â
Playing next to Flowers couldn't have helped. Hoped DG found us one of his oline gems, but not nearly as triggered as other bbi'ers, he did get a fairly smol we think you kind of suck contract. Not the disaster contracts of Pugh or Richburg.
Certainly not the type of player you think of when you hear the term "Hog Mollie"
Playing next to Flowers couldn't have helped. Hoped DG found us one of his oline gems, but not nearly as triggered as other bbi'ers, he did get a fairly smol we think you kind of suck contract. Not the disaster contracts of Pugh or Richburg.
Certainly not the type of player you think of when you hear the term "Hog Mollie"
It is; however the problem with Hog Mollie is that they need to big stout AND quick feet. If you look at our guys they seem to be getting beat by defensive lines with speed and quickness. The speed coming out of college is changing the game again. Even Saban knew this several years ago when he switch to quicker players in the trenches. Not surprising we are here with a relic for a GM.
thought this might happen. Good for the Giants for not favoring a player simply because they signed him to a big contract in FA. My guess is that this also simply confirms that Omameh will be gone after this season. Bad because this was one of several bad FA signings by DG, who was supposed to be especially good at identifying "hog mollies."
for two or three years we watched the right side grossly underperfom Â
without any change. At least this coaching staff is making changes to try and get the best they can. The last regimes only answer was to "play better"....
Omameh may still have a role going forward, but he needs to sit now.
I'd rather them bench guys that aren't performing Â
flopped but glad they're making the move. The last regime seemed reluctant to shuffle the deck. Seriously doubt they would have benched a FA just 6 games in. Probably would have ridden it out the whole year at least. Let's see how this works.
The current GM and HC inherited a MESS! They brought in 2 OL vets who were starters for other teams. They dumped those not playing to their ability, and despite providing a year to redeem himself at another position cut the previous admin's 1st round choice.
If they want to improve the team, they need to find players who can do the job. The draft is not an option and there are no OL stars available that they can afford.
Yes, the remainder of the season is likely to be a giant (no pun intended) tryout and an opportunity to give reps to young players.
Shurmur just can't say that's what the season has evolved into. Remember he was run out of Cleveland because he told the fans after the Browns were out of contention that he would develop the younger players in favor of experienced vets.
on BBI. Bitch when a players sucks (ok, no problem) and then bitch when a change is made(that is a problem). We all know the line blows and quite frankly Solder has been no better than Flowers.
I think we can allow at least one game to see if Pulley and Greco are a better pair than Greco and Omameh before bitching about it.
on BBI. Bitch when a players sucks (ok, no problem) and then bitch when a change is made(that is a problem). We all know the line blows and quite frankly Solder has been no better than Flowers.
I think we can allow at least one game to see if Pulley and Greco are a better pair than Greco and Omameh before bitching about it.
Agreed with you until you said Solder has been no better than Flowers. Thats simply not true. Maybe for the price of both Flowers was better. But Flowers was absolutely dreadful. Solder has been merely disappo8nting.
For those bashing the Omameh signing, what was the alternative? Seemed like the best option available at the time given the cap and what was available.
DG had to rebuild the OL from scratch with limited resources. At least give it another off-season.
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without any change. At least this coaching staff is making changes to try and get the best they can. The last regimes only answer was to "play better"....
Omameh may still have a role going forward, but he needs to sit now.
I think it a tad bit premature to applaud these moves. After all, the coaches thought they were already starting the better players. And that decision might be borne out to have been correct if the OL ends up even worse after these moves, which is obviously a distinct possibility.
I'm the biggest Eli supporter of them all but....... Â
They traded their best DLineman for a draft pick. They let two veteran olinemen in Pugh/Richburg walk as FAs. They let Kennard walk. They let DRC go. They didn’t really spend that much money at all in FA and don’t tell me Omameh is a big signing. He was of the stopgap take a flyer variety.
But yea they did draft a RB over the QB and said they believed they could compete this year. So why not get the vapors over lip service.
I’m sure they hoped they’d compete. I thought they’d win 7–9 games, perhaps 9 if they got a few nice wins early on. I did not think they’d be terrible in any way shape of form and I’d bet most front offices cautiously believe there’s a shred of hope come July but what difference does it make now? The giants didn’t mortgage the future this last offseason, but by any stretch.
Was a now move but LT is a desperate position no matter where the team stands.
Team needs more talent. Hopefully we find some answers here these next 2 months. I don’t think this season will go like 2017 but they need to play much better.
on BBI. Bitch when a players sucks (ok, no problem) and then bitch when a change is made(that is a problem). We all know the line blows and quite frankly Solder has been no better than Flowers.
I think we can allow at least one game to see if Pulley and Greco are a better pair than Greco and Omameh before bitching about it.
I agree 100%...Plus he can still be a good back-up...Just don't need PO and JJ...One has to go next year...I'm kinda pumped about this week...I have a feeling things are about to change for our good!!!
Omameh started at LG last year and by far, had his best year. Before that he was barely a JAG especially when playing RG. So what does Gettleman do? He signs Omameh plans to play him at LG, then drafts a LG which necessitates moving his signee to RG a position he has NOT been good at.
Fucking brilliant planning! I would expect this out of Reese but DG had shown more smarts in building Carolina.
It’s like everyone connected to the Giants is taking stupid pills or something.
RE: Here’s what IS concerning about DGs evaluation here Â
Omameh started at LG last year and by far, had his best year. Before that he was barely a JAG especially when playing RG. So what does Gettleman do? He signs Omameh plans to play him at LG, then drafts a LG which necessitates moving his signee to RG a position he has NOT been good at.
Fucking brilliant planning! I would expect this out of Reese but DG had shown more smarts in building Carolina.
It’s like everyone connected to the Giants is taking stupid pills or something.
Don’t forget that said drafted LG probably was more suited to RG to begin with and the trades a more than serviceable back-up center just before the season.
For the second year in a row I I feel like there was a much better line that the team just whiffed on and probably will waste another season figuring it out.
Omameh started at LG last year and by far, had his best year. Before that he was barely a JAG especially when playing RG. So what does Gettleman do? He signs Omameh plans to play him at LG, then drafts a LG which necessitates moving his signee to RG a position he has NOT been good at.
Fucking brilliant planning! I would expect this out of Reese but DG had shown more smarts in building Carolina.
It’s like everyone connected to the Giants is taking stupid pills or something.
So, are you saying that Gettleman could see the future and knew Hernandez would be available? Or are you saying he should have doubled down on Omameh by not drafting Hernandez because he played LG? Or are you suggesting that they should have moved Hernandez to RG which would have been more of a problem.
Gettleman doesn't have the gift of foresight. He did what he did because of the shitty situation we were in. Not every move is going to work out. No GM bats 1.000. I disagreed with the Stewart signing and I was skeptical of the Omameh signing but he was trying to plug up holes before the draft so we weren't forced to pick for need. The FA class sucked so he did what he could. It wasn't ideal but it did allow us to draft quality players so for that alone I am happy. This wasn't going to be turned around in one year unless every move worked out and we stayed healthy.
What we did get out of this year is an adequate LT which we haven't had in forever, a soon to be beast of a LT, possibly the best RB in the NFL, and a solid group of young defenders in Carter and Hill. This is a process that'll take time. Just go with the flow.
and Omameh were bad decisions based on another bad decision, the belief that Eli had three or four more productive seasons.
Solder was not a bad decision. We over paid but there was no alternative. We did not have a left tackle at all And he was the best available.
He has been respectable.
and Omameh were bad decisions based on another bad decision, the belief that Eli had three or four more productive seasons.
Solder was not a bad decision. We over paid but there was no alternative. We did not have a left tackle at all And he was the best available.
He has been respectable.
Agreed.
Acid, if we went with any other QB you believe that Solder wasn't going to be a target for us? Come on. Solder wasn't connected to Eli. Solder is connected to our offense being able to function regardless of who is playing QB.
Now the idea that the OL is a unit should sink in more. Omameh was solid with other good players and a ball control offense. With crap in the team running the LEAST in the league he's struggling. Color me shocked. I thought he would be better but I also thought we would actually be run heavy. He struggles most to his inside on passing plays and we don't have the talent or scheme to get what he doesn't suck at. He's a cheap mid level vet, we suck so does he and we keep plugging away at this. He's way cheaper than Pugh and Richburg and probably playing at the same level. So who's dumb, DG or the Cards and Niners who shelled out for those two assholes and we got a comparable level of play for a fraction of the cost.
Honestly, I think at this point you can make the argument Â
What I like so far about this regime is the willingness to try someone else if the starter isn’t getting it done. While that hasn’t been instituted across the board, this plus Flowers’s benching is somewhat refreshing.
+1
RE: He's on the hook for next year too, correct? Â
Another winning FA signing by DG. I hate to even contemplate this because he blew cock as well, but we might have been better off with fucking John Jerry this year.
No. He can be release next year with about $3.5m cap savings.
I think We should have tried to keep Flucker! Once he started, the run game picked up. I don’t know what he signed for but it didn’t appear Gettleman tried to hard if at all. He wasn’t great at pass protection but being next to Hart no one would be.
I think We should have tried to keep Flucker! Once he started, the run game picked up. I don’t know what he signed for but it didn’t appear Gettleman tried to hard if at all. He wasn’t great at pass protection but being next to Hart no one would be.
Fred, it is my supposition that the lack of interest by DG was to not bring back what might have been questionable motivation. Fluker only signed for $1.5M and he was available on the market for some time. So it wasn't a matter of availability or cost. DG might have questioned how a mountain of a man can be relegated to IR for a sore toe. There was no news that he needed surgery or other medical treatment this off season.
But unlike the last couple regimes it’s refreshing to see them benching underperformers.
This. I never felt that we were putting the best players on the field (under McAdoodle or even Couglin). I have greater confidence that this is happening now.
You can’t make a silk’s purse out of a sow’s ear. Â
I will give Gettleman a pass this year. He tried to remake our OL by letting the players who wanted more money like Richburg and Pugh go. The market was limited and the retooling did not work with 2 players Flowers and Omameh being replaced.
At least Shumur is moving on from these players now. That is a change from the past. You cannot recover from years of bad drafting in one year.
But it was a bad signing at the time. People I spoke with said many were scratching their heads when they heard of the contract he received. He's a replacement player. Meaning a year to year contract guy.
He selected Hernandez who may be our best OL right now. He was handed a gigantic mess created by Reese. You cannot fix this OL in one year.
Whitworth should have been signed a couple of years ago. Reese blew that. The whole landscape of our OL and our offense would be much different if we were able to get him.
** As much as I think Reese was the worst GM in football, I think he may have attempted to sign other guys but we are not such an attractive place to go.
You draw new cards. The only cards left in the deck kinda suck too. In Free agency, it can be a crap shoot. No pun intended. By moving on, they realize its not working and you accept it by moving on. Who thought this was going to be a quick fix.
What I like so far about this regime is the willingness to try someone else if the starter isn’t getting it done. While that hasn’t been instituted across the board, this plus Flowers’s benching is somewhat refreshing.
That is the lone bright spot. If this was Reese's signing Omameh would have a stone cold grip on the position for 3 years.
What I like so far about this regime is the willingness to try someone else if the starter isn’t getting it done. While that hasn’t been instituted across the board, this plus Flowers’s benching is somewhat refreshing.
That is the lone bright spot. If this was Reese's signing Omameh would have a stone cold grip on the position for 3 years.
Dis.
Everyone makes mistakes, but you have to constantly fix your mistakes and improve.
Shurmer played center so his evaluation and changes for pulley at Â
At center and benching omameh is done with some knowledge. Those center -guard gaps have been major problem . Changing R guard though does raise issues to me:
1. Did we cut Flowerstoo soon? Of course he may have some stuff we don’t know about, lines are units, so we’ll see.
2. Why trade two centers when this your weakness?
3. Was Flowers considered at R guard or was there more to the Flowers story?
4. Lines need time so this “break” followed by bye is as good a time as any to make these changes.
You draw new cards. The only cards left in the deck kinda suck too. In Free agency, it can be a crap shoot. No pun intended. By moving on, they realize its not working and you accept it by moving on. Who thought this was going to be a quick fix.
All the decisions that have been made by this GM suggest he thought it would be a quick fix
...It was pretty clear that he was trash. Which was weird in Sy's writeups because Sy kept dumping on Hernandez in the preseason when I thought it was pretty obvious that Omameh was way worse.
Played okay in spots for a few other teams. This what often happens in the league - journeyman gets a shot to see if they can hold starting job - and it doesn't work out.
Jerry had the opportunity to hold onto his job. He didn't. There is a reason why.
What we did get out of this year is an adequate LT which we haven't had in forever
This is a process that'll take time. Just go with the flow.
Here's the thing. Solder is 30, and it's now pretty clear it wasn't just a down year in 2017 for pass protection. He's a declining player. So if this is a process that's going to take time, what's solder going to be a year or two from now if you can very much argue that the best lineman on the team isn't the LT, it's the LG.
Hernandez, Pulley and Wheeler gel....i am happy...as all 3 are young. Hernandez and Wheeler are getting better.Pulley is a young player that I suspect Shurmur knew in Vanderbilt.
Grecco and Solder are veterens....
I like they are trying different options. I understand it might look like switching deck chairs on the titanic....still better then doing the same thing and hoping for a different result
Hernandez, Pulley and Wheeler gel....i am happy...as all 3 are young. Hernandez and Wheeler are getting better.Pulley is a young player that I suspect Shurmur knew in Vanderbilt.
Grecco and Solder are veterens....
I like they are trying different options. I understand it might look like switching deck chairs on the titanic....still better then doing the same thing and hoping for a different result
Hernandez, Pulley and Wheeler gel....i am happy...as all 3 are young. Hernandez and Wheeler are getting better.Pulley is a young player that I suspect Shurmur knew in Vanderbilt.
Grecco and Solder are veterens....
I like they are trying different options. I understand it might look like switching deck chairs on the titanic....still better then doing the same thing and hoping for a different result
Hernandez, Pulley and Wheeler gel....i am happy...as all 3 are young. Hernandez and Wheeler are getting better.Pulley is a young player that I suspect Shurmur knew in Vanderbilt.
Grecco and Solder are veterens....
I like they are trying different options. I understand it might look like switching deck chairs on the titanic....still better then doing the same thing and hoping for a different result
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What we did get out of this year is an adequate LT which we haven't had in forever
This is a process that'll take time. Just go with the flow.
Here's the thing. Solder is 30, and it's now pretty clear it wasn't just a down year in 2017 for pass protection. He's a declining player. So if this is a process that's going to take time, what's solder going to be a year or two from now if you can very much argue that the best lineman on the team isn't the LT, it's the LG.
I understand what you are saying but we need NFL bodies on the OL otherwise you cannot function as an offense. Was Solder ideal? Far from it. It reminds me of that phrase in Beerfest when they are talking about Landfill when he died and the guy says, "He was a fat asshole but he was our fat asshole." I'm not saying Solder is an asshole. Far from it. He seems like a great person. But what I mean is he is an overpriced adequate LT but he's our overpriced adequate LT and that is way more than we've had in years here. This shouldn't be so much about Solder as much as it should be about what the alternative was and that was probably Flowers again. So, yeah, give me Solder at his price tag so we know what we have for the next four years so that gives us a fighting chance as well as time to find his replacement. This was something Reese couldn't comprehend. He passed on guys like Whitworth because he didn't fit the profile of under 30. There is zero reason that we didn't seriously look at the LT position while Flowers was here. He was basically handed the job from day one with no competition. Talk about setting a horrible example fod your team. Every player should have to earn their job. Flowers felt he was entitled to it hence why he didn't show up immediately when he was moved to RT.
You pay crazy money for a LT, that may not be around when this OL finally gels.....you go out and get a fix for the OL, that is now benched.....and the OL/team is no better....
Yet, let's use the excuse that someone inherited a shit show and should be given a blank check for next year......
I just do not see what Shurm/DG are suppose to be bringing to this team.......
Second, the thing to watch will be whether Pulley is a better player than Brett Jones, or whether Jones could have helped this team now, and whether the decision to jettison Jones was sound.
Tho by the looks of it no one is helping this team... Jones, Pulley or whoever...
You pay crazy money for a LT, that may not be around when this OL finally gels.....you go out and get a fix for the OL, that is now benched.....and the OL/team is no better....
Yet, let's use the excuse that someone inherited a shit show and should be given a blank check for next year......
I just do not see what Shurm/DG are suppose to be bringing to this team.......
Agree 100%. Anyone with eyes saw this needed to be a complete tear down and DG instead chose to double down. Everything from that point on is on DG. They should be stockpiling future assets and gearing up for the future. Instead we only have 6 picks and don’t have a 3rd rounder next year.
Omameh has been terrible going back to pre-season Â
and this is the right move IMO. Immediate issue I see right now is the right side of the line miscommunicating on stunts and getting Eli killed. Greco being a vet might help, but he’s hasn’t played with Pulley and Wheeler very long?! That move might take a little while to gel. I’m hoping for the best. I don’t think Pulley or Greco are long-term answers however. They need to get a decent Center and RG in here next year. I might give Wheeler another year to improve. We won’t be capable of replacing all three on the right side next off-season, but if we can at least get 4 of the 5 on the Oline solidified, then it would go a long way to improving this line and team as a whole.
You pay crazy money for a LT, that may not be around when this OL finally gels.....you go out and get a fix for the OL, that is now benched.....and the OL/team is no better....
Yet, let's use the excuse that someone inherited a shit show and should be given a blank check for next year......
I just do not see what Shurm/DG are suppose to be bringing to this team.......
Agree 100%. Anyone with eyes saw this needed to be a complete tear down and DG instead chose to double down. Everything from that point on is on DG. They should be stockpiling future assets and gearing up for the future. Instead we only have 6 picks and don’t have a 3rd rounder next year.
Yes because you can just buy draft picks and future assets(whatever the heck that is).
The moves I disagreed with are cutting Fluker and trading Jones. Gettleman has gone a bit far in getting rid of capable players from the previous regime even without competent replacements or depth.
According to reports, he was going to be benched anyway
Clown show might have been a bit strong. It's just that Omameh was brought in to be a starter & he's sucked. DG, like Reese before him, is making mistakes on the OL, Hernandez aside.
So you’d prefer to do...nothing?
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God this franchise is a joke right now.
So you’d prefer to do...nothing?
I prefer this team start making some right decisions on the OL. Reese f*cked it up. And it doesn't look like DG is off to a rousing start either.
He was decent during the playoff run last year and Gettleman paid him for that when we lost out on Norwell.
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Playing next to Flowers couldn't have helped. Hoped DG found us one of his oline gems, but not nearly as triggered as other bbi'ers, he did get a fairly smol we think you kind of suck contract. Not the disaster contracts of Pugh or Richburg.
Certainly not the type of player you think of when you hear the term "Hog Mollie"
It is; however the problem with Hog Mollie is that they need to big stout AND quick feet. If you look at our guys they seem to be getting beat by defensive lines with speed and quickness. The speed coming out of college is changing the game again. Even Saban knew this several years ago when he switch to quicker players in the trenches. Not surprising we are here with a relic for a GM.
Omameh may still have a role going forward, but he needs to sit now.
Signing was questionable to begin with, but this pretty much cements it as pretty darn awful
Now we're going to start this plug and play BS
That'll fix everything Sure Thing!
and can we please ban use of the phrase ‘hog mollies’ from here on out?
The current GM and HC inherited a MESS! They brought in 2 OL vets who were starters for other teams. They dumped those not playing to their ability, and despite providing a year to redeem himself at another position cut the previous admin's 1st round choice.
If they want to improve the team, they need to find players who can do the job. The draft is not an option and there are no OL stars available that they can afford.
Yes, the remainder of the season is likely to be a giant (no pun intended) tryout and an opportunity to give reps to young players.
Shurmur just can't say that's what the season has evolved into. Remember he was run out of Cleveland because he told the fans after the Browns were out of contention that he would develop the younger players in favor of experienced vets.
I think we can allow at least one game to see if Pulley and Greco are a better pair than Greco and Omameh before bitching about it.
I think we can allow at least one game to see if Pulley and Greco are a better pair than Greco and Omameh before bitching about it.
Agreed with you until you said Solder has been no better than Flowers. Thats simply not true. Maybe for the price of both Flowers was better. But Flowers was absolutely dreadful. Solder has been merely disappo8nting.
DG had to rebuild the OL from scratch with limited resources. At least give it another off-season.
Omameh may still have a role going forward, but he needs to sit now.
I think it a tad bit premature to applaud these moves. After all, the coaches thought they were already starting the better players. And that decision might be borne out to have been correct if the OL ends up even worse after these moves, which is obviously a distinct possibility.
Did they? Can you truly prove that?
Don’t tell me what they said in July. Don’t care.
They traded their best DLineman for a draft pick. They let two veteran olinemen in Pugh/Richburg walk as FAs. They let Kennard walk. They let DRC go. They didn’t really spend that much money at all in FA and don’t tell me Omameh is a big signing. He was of the stopgap take a flyer variety.
But yea they did draft a RB over the QB and said they believed they could compete this year. So why not get the vapors over lip service.
I’m sure they hoped they’d compete. I thought they’d win 7–9 games, perhaps 9 if they got a few nice wins early on. I did not think they’d be terrible in any way shape of form and I’d bet most front offices cautiously believe there’s a shred of hope come July but what difference does it make now? The giants didn’t mortgage the future this last offseason, but by any stretch.
Team needs more talent. Hopefully we find some answers here these next 2 months. I don’t think this season will go like 2017 but they need to play much better.
I think we can allow at least one game to see if Pulley and Greco are a better pair than Greco and Omameh before bitching about it.
I agree 100%...Plus he can still be a good back-up...Just don't need PO and JJ...One has to go next year...I'm kinda pumped about this week...I have a feeling things are about to change for our good!!!
Fucking brilliant planning! I would expect this out of Reese but DG had shown more smarts in building Carolina.
It’s like everyone connected to the Giants is taking stupid pills or something.
Fucking brilliant planning! I would expect this out of Reese but DG had shown more smarts in building Carolina.
It’s like everyone connected to the Giants is taking stupid pills or something.
Don’t forget that said drafted LG probably was more suited to RG to begin with and the trades a more than serviceable back-up center just before the season.
For the second year in a row I I feel like there was a much better line that the team just whiffed on and probably will waste another season figuring it out.
Fucking brilliant planning! I would expect this out of Reese but DG had shown more smarts in building Carolina.
It’s like everyone connected to the Giants is taking stupid pills or something.
So, are you saying that Gettleman could see the future and knew Hernandez would be available? Or are you saying he should have doubled down on Omameh by not drafting Hernandez because he played LG? Or are you suggesting that they should have moved Hernandez to RG which would have been more of a problem.
Gettleman doesn't have the gift of foresight. He did what he did because of the shitty situation we were in. Not every move is going to work out. No GM bats 1.000. I disagreed with the Stewart signing and I was skeptical of the Omameh signing but he was trying to plug up holes before the draft so we weren't forced to pick for need. The FA class sucked so he did what he could. It wasn't ideal but it did allow us to draft quality players so for that alone I am happy. This wasn't going to be turned around in one year unless every move worked out and we stayed healthy.
What we did get out of this year is an adequate LT which we haven't had in forever, a soon to be beast of a LT, possibly the best RB in the NFL, and a solid group of young defenders in Carter and Hill. This is a process that'll take time. Just go with the flow.
Solder was not a bad decision. We over paid but there was no alternative. We did not have a left tackle at all And he was the best available.
He has been respectable.
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and Omameh were bad decisions based on another bad decision, the belief that Eli had three or four more productive seasons.
Solder was not a bad decision. We over paid but there was no alternative. We did not have a left tackle at all And he was the best available.
He has been respectable.
Agreed.
Acid, if we went with any other QB you believe that Solder wasn't going to be a target for us? Come on. Solder wasn't connected to Eli. Solder is connected to our offense being able to function regardless of who is playing QB.
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No. He can be release next year with about $3.5m cap savings.
Fred, it is my supposition that the lack of interest by DG was to not bring back what might have been questionable motivation. Fluker only signed for $1.5M and he was available on the market for some time. So it wasn't a matter of availability or cost. DG might have questioned how a mountain of a man can be relegated to IR for a sore toe. There was no news that he needed surgery or other medical treatment this off season.
Solder, Hernandez, Pulley, Greco, Wheeler
3/5 were backups at start of season. Definitely a work in progress. Do we know if Wheeler is ok to play?
This. I never felt that we were putting the best players on the field (under McAdoodle or even Couglin). I have greater confidence that this is happening now.
At least Shumur is moving on from these players now. That is a change from the past. You cannot recover from years of bad drafting in one year.
Whitworth should have been signed a couple of years ago. Reese blew that. The whole landscape of our OL and our offense would be much different if we were able to get him.
** As much as I think Reese was the worst GM in football, I think he may have attempted to sign other guys but we are not such an attractive place to go.
That is the lone bright spot. If this was Reese's signing Omameh would have a stone cold grip on the position for 3 years.
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What I like so far about this regime is the willingness to try someone else if the starter isn’t getting it done. While that hasn’t been instituted across the board, this plus Flowers’s benching is somewhat refreshing.
That is the lone bright spot. If this was Reese's signing Omameh would have a stone cold grip on the position for 3 years.
Dis.
Everyone makes mistakes, but you have to constantly fix your mistakes and improve.
1. Did we cut Flowerstoo soon? Of course he may have some stuff we don’t know about, lines are units, so we’ll see.
2. Why trade two centers when this your weakness?
3. Was Flowers considered at R guard or was there more to the Flowers story?
4. Lines need time so this “break” followed by bye is as good a time as any to make these changes.
All the decisions that have been made by this GM suggest he thought it would be a quick fix
and can we please ban use of the phrase ‘hog mollies’ from here on out?
It's hard to play heavy-handed football and run the Duke without hog mollies...
Jerry had the opportunity to hold onto his job. He didn't. There is a reason why.
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What we did get out of this year is an adequate LT which we haven't had in forever
This is a process that'll take time. Just go with the flow.
Here's the thing. Solder is 30, and it's now pretty clear it wasn't just a down year in 2017 for pass protection. He's a declining player. So if this is a process that's going to take time, what's solder going to be a year or two from now if you can very much argue that the best lineman on the team isn't the LT, it's the LG.
Grecco and Solder are veterens....
I like they are trying different options. I understand it might look like switching deck chairs on the titanic....still better then doing the same thing and hoping for a different result
Grecco and Solder are veterens....
I like they are trying different options. I understand it might look like switching deck chairs on the titanic....still better then doing the same thing and hoping for a different result
Grecco and Solder are veterens....
I like they are trying different options. I understand it might look like switching deck chairs on the titanic....still better then doing the same thing and hoping for a different result
Grecco and Solder are veterens....
I like they are trying different options. I understand it might look like switching deck chairs on the titanic....still better then doing the same thing and hoping for a different result
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What we did get out of this year is an adequate LT which we haven't had in forever
This is a process that'll take time. Just go with the flow.
Here's the thing. Solder is 30, and it's now pretty clear it wasn't just a down year in 2017 for pass protection. He's a declining player. So if this is a process that's going to take time, what's solder going to be a year or two from now if you can very much argue that the best lineman on the team isn't the LT, it's the LG.
I understand what you are saying but we need NFL bodies on the OL otherwise you cannot function as an offense. Was Solder ideal? Far from it. It reminds me of that phrase in Beerfest when they are talking about Landfill when he died and the guy says, "He was a fat asshole but he was our fat asshole." I'm not saying Solder is an asshole. Far from it. He seems like a great person. But what I mean is he is an overpriced adequate LT but he's our overpriced adequate LT and that is way more than we've had in years here. This shouldn't be so much about Solder as much as it should be about what the alternative was and that was probably Flowers again. So, yeah, give me Solder at his price tag so we know what we have for the next four years so that gives us a fighting chance as well as time to find his replacement. This was something Reese couldn't comprehend. He passed on guys like Whitworth because he didn't fit the profile of under 30. There is zero reason that we didn't seriously look at the LT position while Flowers was here. He was basically handed the job from day one with no competition. Talk about setting a horrible example fod your team. Every player should have to earn their job. Flowers felt he was entitled to it hence why he didn't show up immediately when he was moved to RT.
You pay crazy money for a LT, that may not be around when this OL finally gels.....you go out and get a fix for the OL, that is now benched.....and the OL/team is no better....
Yet, let's use the excuse that someone inherited a shit show and should be given a blank check for next year......
I just do not see what Shurm/DG are suppose to be bringing to this team.......
Second, the thing to watch will be whether Pulley is a better player than Brett Jones, or whether Jones could have helped this team now, and whether the decision to jettison Jones was sound.
Tho by the looks of it no one is helping this team... Jones, Pulley or whoever...
Imagine how far this franchise would have been set back with Flowers still at LT.
You pay crazy money for a LT, that may not be around when this OL finally gels.....you go out and get a fix for the OL, that is now benched.....and the OL/team is no better....
Yet, let's use the excuse that someone inherited a shit show and should be given a blank check for next year......
I just do not see what Shurm/DG are suppose to be bringing to this team.......
Agree 100%. Anyone with eyes saw this needed to be a complete tear down and DG instead chose to double down. Everything from that point on is on DG. They should be stockpiling future assets and gearing up for the future. Instead we only have 6 picks and don’t have a 3rd rounder next year.
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A GM is suppose to maximize his resources.....
You pay crazy money for a LT, that may not be around when this OL finally gels.....you go out and get a fix for the OL, that is now benched.....and the OL/team is no better....
Yet, let's use the excuse that someone inherited a shit show and should be given a blank check for next year......
I just do not see what Shurm/DG are suppose to be bringing to this team.......
Agree 100%. Anyone with eyes saw this needed to be a complete tear down and DG instead chose to double down. Everything from that point on is on DG. They should be stockpiling future assets and gearing up for the future. Instead we only have 6 picks and don’t have a 3rd rounder next year.
Yes because you can just buy draft picks and future assets(whatever the heck that is).
The moves I disagreed with are cutting Fluker and trading Jones. Gettleman has gone a bit far in getting rid of capable players from the previous regime even without competent replacements or depth.