What I like so far about this regime is the willingness to try someone else if the starter isn’t getting it done. While that hasn’t been instituted across the board, this plus Flowers’s benching is somewhat refreshing.
Why is benching a player indicative of a clown show? Â
Another winning FA signing by DG. I hate to even contemplate this because he blew cock as well, but we might have been better off with fucking John Jerry this year.
until you find the right guys who can open up holes for Saquon and protect Eli. I prefer this to McAdoo’s stubbornness. But yes another painful season to watch.
RE: Why is benching a player indicative of a clown show? Â
He was underperforming. That's not Shurmur's fault.
Clown show might have been a bit strong. It's just that Omameh was brought in to be a starter & he's sucked. DG, like Reese before him, is making mistakes on the OL, Hernandez aside.
Playing next to Flowers couldn't have helped. Hoped DG found us one of his oline gems, but not nearly as triggered as other bbi'ers, he did get a fairly smol we think you kind of suck contract. Not the disaster contracts of Pugh or Richburg.
I honestly didnt think Omameh was that bad in JAX.. Â
Playing next to Flowers couldn't have helped. Hoped DG found us one of his oline gems, but not nearly as triggered as other bbi'ers, he did get a fairly smol we think you kind of suck contract. Not the disaster contracts of Pugh or Richburg.
Certainly not the type of player you think of when you hear the term "Hog Mollie"
Playing next to Flowers couldn't have helped. Hoped DG found us one of his oline gems, but not nearly as triggered as other bbi'ers, he did get a fairly smol we think you kind of suck contract. Not the disaster contracts of Pugh or Richburg.
Certainly not the type of player you think of when you hear the term "Hog Mollie"
It is; however the problem with Hog Mollie is that they need to big stout AND quick feet. If you look at our guys they seem to be getting beat by defensive lines with speed and quickness. The speed coming out of college is changing the game again. Even Saban knew this several years ago when he switch to quicker players in the trenches. Not surprising we are here with a relic for a GM.
thought this might happen. Good for the Giants for not favoring a player simply because they signed him to a big contract in FA. My guess is that this also simply confirms that Omameh will be gone after this season. Bad because this was one of several bad FA signings by DG, who was supposed to be especially good at identifying "hog mollies."
for two or three years we watched the right side grossly underperfom Â
without any change. At least this coaching staff is making changes to try and get the best they can. The last regimes only answer was to "play better"....
Omameh may still have a role going forward, but he needs to sit now.
I'd rather them bench guys that aren't performing Â
flopped but glad they're making the move. The last regime seemed reluctant to shuffle the deck. Seriously doubt they would have benched a FA just 6 games in. Probably would have ridden it out the whole year at least. Let's see how this works.
The current GM and HC inherited a MESS! They brought in 2 OL vets who were starters for other teams. They dumped those not playing to their ability, and despite providing a year to redeem himself at another position cut the previous admin's 1st round choice.
If they want to improve the team, they need to find players who can do the job. The draft is not an option and there are no OL stars available that they can afford.
Yes, the remainder of the season is likely to be a giant (no pun intended) tryout and an opportunity to give reps to young players.
Shurmur just can't say that's what the season has evolved into. Remember he was run out of Cleveland because he told the fans after the Browns were out of contention that he would develop the younger players in favor of experienced vets.
on BBI. Bitch when a players sucks (ok, no problem) and then bitch when a change is made(that is a problem). We all know the line blows and quite frankly Solder has been no better than Flowers.
I think we can allow at least one game to see if Pulley and Greco are a better pair than Greco and Omameh before bitching about it.
on BBI. Bitch when a players sucks (ok, no problem) and then bitch when a change is made(that is a problem). We all know the line blows and quite frankly Solder has been no better than Flowers.
I think we can allow at least one game to see if Pulley and Greco are a better pair than Greco and Omameh before bitching about it.
Agreed with you until you said Solder has been no better than Flowers. Thats simply not true. Maybe for the price of both Flowers was better. But Flowers was absolutely dreadful. Solder has been merely disappo8nting.
For those bashing the Omameh signing, what was the alternative? Seemed like the best option available at the time given the cap and what was available.
DG had to rebuild the OL from scratch with limited resources. At least give it another off-season.
RE: for two or three years we watched the right side grossly underperfom Â
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without any change. At least this coaching staff is making changes to try and get the best they can. The last regimes only answer was to "play better"....
Omameh may still have a role going forward, but he needs to sit now.
I think it a tad bit premature to applaud these moves. After all, the coaches thought they were already starting the better players. And that decision might be borne out to have been correct if the OL ends up even worse after these moves, which is obviously a distinct possibility.
I'm the biggest Eli supporter of them all but....... Â
They traded their best DLineman for a draft pick. They let two veteran olinemen in Pugh/Richburg walk as FAs. They let Kennard walk. They let DRC go. They didn’t really spend that much money at all in FA and don’t tell me Omameh is a big signing. He was of the stopgap take a flyer variety.
But yea they did draft a RB over the QB and said they believed they could compete this year. So why not get the vapors over lip service.
I’m sure they hoped they’d compete. I thought they’d win 7–9 games, perhaps 9 if they got a few nice wins early on. I did not think they’d be terrible in any way shape of form and I’d bet most front offices cautiously believe there’s a shred of hope come July but what difference does it make now? The giants didn’t mortgage the future this last offseason, but by any stretch.
Was a now move but LT is a desperate position no matter where the team stands.
Team needs more talent. Hopefully we find some answers here these next 2 months. I don’t think this season will go like 2017 but they need to play much better.
on BBI. Bitch when a players sucks (ok, no problem) and then bitch when a change is made(that is a problem). We all know the line blows and quite frankly Solder has been no better than Flowers.
I think we can allow at least one game to see if Pulley and Greco are a better pair than Greco and Omameh before bitching about it.
I agree 100%...Plus he can still be a good back-up...Just don't need PO and JJ...One has to go next year...I'm kinda pumped about this week...I have a feeling things are about to change for our good!!!
Omameh started at LG last year and by far, had his best year. Before that he was barely a JAG especially when playing RG. So what does Gettleman do? He signs Omameh plans to play him at LG, then drafts a LG which necessitates moving his signee to RG a position he has NOT been good at.
Fucking brilliant planning! I would expect this out of Reese but DG had shown more smarts in building Carolina.
It’s like everyone connected to the Giants is taking stupid pills or something.
RE: Here’s what IS concerning about DGs evaluation here Â
Omameh started at LG last year and by far, had his best year. Before that he was barely a JAG especially when playing RG. So what does Gettleman do? He signs Omameh plans to play him at LG, then drafts a LG which necessitates moving his signee to RG a position he has NOT been good at.
Fucking brilliant planning! I would expect this out of Reese but DG had shown more smarts in building Carolina.
It’s like everyone connected to the Giants is taking stupid pills or something.
Don’t forget that said drafted LG probably was more suited to RG to begin with and the trades a more than serviceable back-up center just before the season.
For the second year in a row I I feel like there was a much better line that the team just whiffed on and probably will waste another season figuring it out.
Omameh started at LG last year and by far, had his best year. Before that he was barely a JAG especially when playing RG. So what does Gettleman do? He signs Omameh plans to play him at LG, then drafts a LG which necessitates moving his signee to RG a position he has NOT been good at.
Fucking brilliant planning! I would expect this out of Reese but DG had shown more smarts in building Carolina.
It’s like everyone connected to the Giants is taking stupid pills or something.
So, are you saying that Gettleman could see the future and knew Hernandez would be available? Or are you saying he should have doubled down on Omameh by not drafting Hernandez because he played LG? Or are you suggesting that they should have moved Hernandez to RG which would have been more of a problem.
Gettleman doesn't have the gift of foresight. He did what he did because of the shitty situation we were in. Not every move is going to work out. No GM bats 1.000. I disagreed with the Stewart signing and I was skeptical of the Omameh signing but he was trying to plug up holes before the draft so we weren't forced to pick for need. The FA class sucked so he did what he could. It wasn't ideal but it did allow us to draft quality players so for that alone I am happy. This wasn't going to be turned around in one year unless every move worked out and we stayed healthy.
What we did get out of this year is an adequate LT which we haven't had in forever, a soon to be beast of a LT, possibly the best RB in the NFL, and a solid group of young defenders in Carter and Hill. This is a process that'll take time. Just go with the flow.
and Omameh were bad decisions based on another bad decision, the belief that Eli had three or four more productive seasons.
Solder was not a bad decision. We over paid but there was no alternative. We did not have a left tackle at all And he was the best available.
He has been respectable.
and Omameh were bad decisions based on another bad decision, the belief that Eli had three or four more productive seasons.
Solder was not a bad decision. We over paid but there was no alternative. We did not have a left tackle at all And he was the best available.
He has been respectable.
Agreed.
Acid, if we went with any other QB you believe that Solder wasn't going to be a target for us? Come on. Solder wasn't connected to Eli. Solder is connected to our offense being able to function regardless of who is playing QB.
According to reports, he was going to be benched anyway
Clown show might have been a bit strong. It's just that Omameh was brought in to be a starter & he's sucked. DG, like Reese before him, is making mistakes on the OL, Hernandez aside.
So you’d prefer to do...nothing?
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God this franchise is a joke right now.
So you’d prefer to do...nothing?
I prefer this team start making some right decisions on the OL. Reese f*cked it up. And it doesn't look like DG is off to a rousing start either.
He was decent during the playoff run last year and Gettleman paid him for that when we lost out on Norwell.
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Playing next to Flowers couldn't have helped. Hoped DG found us one of his oline gems, but not nearly as triggered as other bbi'ers, he did get a fairly smol we think you kind of suck contract. Not the disaster contracts of Pugh or Richburg.
Certainly not the type of player you think of when you hear the term "Hog Mollie"
It is; however the problem with Hog Mollie is that they need to big stout AND quick feet. If you look at our guys they seem to be getting beat by defensive lines with speed and quickness. The speed coming out of college is changing the game again. Even Saban knew this several years ago when he switch to quicker players in the trenches. Not surprising we are here with a relic for a GM.
Omameh may still have a role going forward, but he needs to sit now.
Signing was questionable to begin with, but this pretty much cements it as pretty darn awful
Now we're going to start this plug and play BS
That'll fix everything Sure Thing!
and can we please ban use of the phrase ‘hog mollies’ from here on out?
The current GM and HC inherited a MESS! They brought in 2 OL vets who were starters for other teams. They dumped those not playing to their ability, and despite providing a year to redeem himself at another position cut the previous admin's 1st round choice.
If they want to improve the team, they need to find players who can do the job. The draft is not an option and there are no OL stars available that they can afford.
Yes, the remainder of the season is likely to be a giant (no pun intended) tryout and an opportunity to give reps to young players.
Shurmur just can't say that's what the season has evolved into. Remember he was run out of Cleveland because he told the fans after the Browns were out of contention that he would develop the younger players in favor of experienced vets.
I think we can allow at least one game to see if Pulley and Greco are a better pair than Greco and Omameh before bitching about it.
I think we can allow at least one game to see if Pulley and Greco are a better pair than Greco and Omameh before bitching about it.
Agreed with you until you said Solder has been no better than Flowers. Thats simply not true. Maybe for the price of both Flowers was better. But Flowers was absolutely dreadful. Solder has been merely disappo8nting.
DG had to rebuild the OL from scratch with limited resources. At least give it another off-season.
Omameh may still have a role going forward, but he needs to sit now.
I think it a tad bit premature to applaud these moves. After all, the coaches thought they were already starting the better players. And that decision might be borne out to have been correct if the OL ends up even worse after these moves, which is obviously a distinct possibility.
Did they? Can you truly prove that?
Don’t tell me what they said in July. Don’t care.
They traded their best DLineman for a draft pick. They let two veteran olinemen in Pugh/Richburg walk as FAs. They let Kennard walk. They let DRC go. They didn’t really spend that much money at all in FA and don’t tell me Omameh is a big signing. He was of the stopgap take a flyer variety.
But yea they did draft a RB over the QB and said they believed they could compete this year. So why not get the vapors over lip service.
I’m sure they hoped they’d compete. I thought they’d win 7–9 games, perhaps 9 if they got a few nice wins early on. I did not think they’d be terrible in any way shape of form and I’d bet most front offices cautiously believe there’s a shred of hope come July but what difference does it make now? The giants didn’t mortgage the future this last offseason, but by any stretch.
Team needs more talent. Hopefully we find some answers here these next 2 months. I don’t think this season will go like 2017 but they need to play much better.
I think we can allow at least one game to see if Pulley and Greco are a better pair than Greco and Omameh before bitching about it.
I agree 100%...Plus he can still be a good back-up...Just don't need PO and JJ...One has to go next year...I'm kinda pumped about this week...I have a feeling things are about to change for our good!!!
Fucking brilliant planning! I would expect this out of Reese but DG had shown more smarts in building Carolina.
It’s like everyone connected to the Giants is taking stupid pills or something.
Fucking brilliant planning! I would expect this out of Reese but DG had shown more smarts in building Carolina.
It’s like everyone connected to the Giants is taking stupid pills or something.
Don’t forget that said drafted LG probably was more suited to RG to begin with and the trades a more than serviceable back-up center just before the season.
For the second year in a row I I feel like there was a much better line that the team just whiffed on and probably will waste another season figuring it out.
Fucking brilliant planning! I would expect this out of Reese but DG had shown more smarts in building Carolina.
It’s like everyone connected to the Giants is taking stupid pills or something.
So, are you saying that Gettleman could see the future and knew Hernandez would be available? Or are you saying he should have doubled down on Omameh by not drafting Hernandez because he played LG? Or are you suggesting that they should have moved Hernandez to RG which would have been more of a problem.
Gettleman doesn't have the gift of foresight. He did what he did because of the shitty situation we were in. Not every move is going to work out. No GM bats 1.000. I disagreed with the Stewart signing and I was skeptical of the Omameh signing but he was trying to plug up holes before the draft so we weren't forced to pick for need. The FA class sucked so he did what he could. It wasn't ideal but it did allow us to draft quality players so for that alone I am happy. This wasn't going to be turned around in one year unless every move worked out and we stayed healthy.
What we did get out of this year is an adequate LT which we haven't had in forever, a soon to be beast of a LT, possibly the best RB in the NFL, and a solid group of young defenders in Carter and Hill. This is a process that'll take time. Just go with the flow.
Solder was not a bad decision. We over paid but there was no alternative. We did not have a left tackle at all And he was the best available.
He has been respectable.
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and Omameh were bad decisions based on another bad decision, the belief that Eli had three or four more productive seasons.
Solder was not a bad decision. We over paid but there was no alternative. We did not have a left tackle at all And he was the best available.
He has been respectable.
Agreed.
Acid, if we went with any other QB you believe that Solder wasn't going to be a target for us? Come on. Solder wasn't connected to Eli. Solder is connected to our offense being able to function regardless of who is playing QB.