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chopperhatch : 10/20/2018 1:41 pm
Herbert thread is what it is.


Daniel Jones on now. Down 14-0 to UVA. He is plagied by drops, but just threw a deep ball into double coverage which led to a pick. Had a very nice run for the 1st on 3rd and 11.

Finley with 16 NC State v. 3 Clemson at 3:30 might be the game of the day.

Lock w/ Mizzou v. Memphis at 4

Of course Herbert plays tonight.
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RE: Jesus!  
RobCarpenter : 10/20/2018 7:59 pm : link
In comment 14136949 GoDeep13 said:
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What a run!!


The tackling was atrocious on that play.
Purdue drives 98 yards  
RobCarpenter : 10/20/2018 8:19 pm : link
Up 7-0.
Well  
chopperhatch : 10/20/2018 8:28 pm : link
Maybe if Oregon gets down by enough the coach turns loose Herbert so that we can so when he needs to throw the ball for once.
I guess no one is watching  
Giants34 : 10/20/2018 8:32 pm : link
But Herbert is not playing well right now. And Oregon simply looks overmatched right now.
Oregon’s  
GiantsRage2007 : 10/20/2018 8:38 pm : link
Offense is trash. Run, Run, pass every possession. It’d be nice to see them throw it on 1st and 2nd down and let the qb get in a rhythm
RE: Oregon’s  
Giants34 : 10/20/2018 8:45 pm : link
In comment 14136985 GiantsRage2007 said:
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Offense is trash. Run, Run, pass every possession. It’d be nice to see them throw it on 1st and 2nd down and let the qb get in a rhythm


Agreed completely. It doesn't really matter, though, because the D can't stop anything right now. Herbert has missed throws today, too, but they only have 9 plays all half.
RE: I guess no one is watching  
chopperhatch : 10/20/2018 8:45 pm : link
In comment 14136980 Giants34 said:
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But Herbert is not playing well right now. And Oregon simply looks overmatched right now.


Im definitely watching and I dont think he looks all that bad. The big sack was a result of his lone completely whiffing on an assignment. His two deep throws were right there but his receivers dont have that extra gear. But I think the playcalling is holding him back
RE: RE: Oregon’s  
GiantsRage2007 : 10/20/2018 8:46 pm : link
In comment 14136991 Giants34 said:
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In comment 14136985 GiantsRage2007 said:


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Offense is trash. Run, Run, pass every possession. It’d be nice to see them throw it on 1st and 2nd down and let the qb get in a rhythm



Agreed completely. It doesn't really matter, though, because the D can't stop anything right now. Herbert has missed throws today, too, but they only have 9 plays all half.


For sure. Their D is BAD!
ok, Oregon will have the ball now  
markky : 10/20/2018 8:49 pm : link
down 20 and have to start passing. this will be interesting.
Ohio State is in trouble  
RobCarpenter : 10/20/2018 9:15 pm : link
Purdue gets a TD just before the half and it’s 14-3.
Oregon first and goal from around the 6  
markky : 10/20/2018 9:55 pm : link
runs 3 times for -4 yards. No pass attempts inside the 10. Geez.
I guess no one else is watching Purdue/Ohio State?  
RobCarpenter : 10/20/2018 9:55 pm : link
21-6 Purdue now.
Why did Oregon  
mattyblue : 10/20/2018 9:56 pm : link
just run 3 times from the 5?
Not wTching  
dep026 : 10/20/2018 9:57 pm : link
But is Herbert playing? Stats saying someone else is in?
RE: Why did Oregon  
Giants34 : 10/20/2018 9:58 pm : link
In comment 14137041 mattyblue said:
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just run 3 times from the 5?


Because they have the worst coaching staff in the nation. Down 20 they ran three times to put themselves down 17.
Purdue's OL  
HoustonGiant : 10/20/2018 10:25 pm : link
Looks good, especially their LT.
RE: Tua is  
mittenedman : 10/20/2018 10:39 pm : link
In comment 14136862 chopperhatch said:
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An absolutely extraordinary player. A mix of Russell Wilson and Drew Brees. Perfect pocket presence, accurate, mobile, has a gun....if only he were coming out this year.


Agreed. I can't believe how good he is.
Purdue with a fantastic draw play  
RobCarpenter : 10/20/2018 10:42 pm : link
Gashes Ohio State for a TD. 28-6 now w/11:39 left.

I’m so happy right now.
Herbert has looked better  
tyrik13 : 10/20/2018 10:43 pm : link
This second half but he definitely needs to learn to read the defense better. He's staring down his recievers too much, but overall looks better. Daniel Jones will be moving up draft boards rapidly soon. As I said before, if he had a better recieving core, he'd look much better. He's my dark horse QB pick! Findley laid a huge egg today and his stock took a hit.
RE: RE: Tua is  
tyrik13 : 10/20/2018 10:45 pm : link
In comment 14137090 mittenedman said:
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In comment 14136862 chopperhatch said:


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An absolutely extraordinary player. A mix of Russell Wilson and Drew Brees. Perfect pocket presence, accurate, mobile, has a gun....if only he were coming out this year.



Agreed. I can't believe how good he is.


Agree as well. His command of the offense for such a young player is extraordinary! He literally has everything you want in a QB
RE: RE: RE: Tua is  
Giants34 : 10/20/2018 10:52 pm : link
In comment 14137101 tyrik13 said:
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In comment 14137090 mittenedman said:


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In comment 14136862 chopperhatch said:


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An absolutely extraordinary player. A mix of Russell Wilson and Drew Brees. Perfect pocket presence, accurate, mobile, has a gun....if only he were coming out this year.



Agreed. I can't believe how good he is.



Agree as well. His command of the offense for such a young player is extraordinary! He literally has everything you want in a QB


Except draft eligibility. Herbert has looked very good in the second half. He plays in a juvenile offense, but you can see he is still making reads.
RE: Herbert has looked better  
GoDeep13 : 10/20/2018 10:54 pm : link
In comment 14137097 tyrik13 said:
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This second half but he definitely needs to learn to read the defense better. He's staring down his recievers too much, but overall looks better. Daniel Jones will be moving up draft boards rapidly soon. As I said before, if he had a better recieving core, he'd look much better. He's my dark horse QB pick! Findley laid a huge egg today and his stock took a hit.


Agreed. Every QBs warts were shown today. Out of it all I think Jones performed the best of the potential draft eligible guys. Like you said. Had Jones’s receivers caught their passes today he’d look a lot better stat wise.
To me this draft class looks pretty weak  
nyjuggernaut2 : 10/20/2018 11:11 pm : link
may be best for Giants to go BPA in round 1, and then take a QB with 2nd round pick. Sucks Tua is still a year away from eligibility.
49-20 Purdue!!!  
RobCarpenter : 10/20/2018 11:18 pm : link
With 2 minutes left.

Wow
Man OSU  
montanagiant : 10/20/2018 11:23 pm : link
Looks like shit
RE: To me this draft class looks pretty weak  
Giants34 : 10/20/2018 11:31 pm : link
In comment 14137124 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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may be best for Giants to go BPA in round 1, and then take a QB with 2nd round pick. Sucks Tua is still a year away from eligibility.


Herbert did not light the world on fire today, but that dude can play. We would be lucky to be in a position to draft that guy.
Michigan wins and Ohio State loses  
RobCarpenter : 10/20/2018 11:44 pm : link
What an awesome day!
Doesn’t really change much  
Kyle in NY : 10/21/2018 12:27 am : link
barring another loss before, the winner of OSU/Michigan is likely in the playoff

But good lord that was a putrid performance by the Buckeyes. And it’s been coming, hopefully a wake up call
RE: Doesn’t really change much  
chopperhatch : 10/21/2018 1:59 am : link
In comment 14137143 Kyle in NY said:
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barring another loss before, the winner of OSU/Michigan is likely in the playoff

But good lord that was a putrid performance by the Buckeyes. And it’s been coming, hopefully a wake up call


Haskins threw the ball 73 times....THATS FUCKING INSANE! He threw a few good balls that wound up going incomplete in the end zone, but a top quarterback with the kind of talent he has playing with him should be able to get his team more than 20 points against a .500 team.
Ohio state  
B in ALB : 10/21/2018 2:02 am : link
Hahahahaha. Fuck off pretenders.

Lemme guess. Urb had a headache during the game and couldn't remember the calls. Then his chest hurt. Went to BW3 for some plain wings and water last night. Game over.
RE: Doesn’t really change much  
Bramton1 : 10/21/2018 2:30 am : link
In comment 14137143 Kyle in NY said:
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barring another loss before, the winner of OSU/Michigan is likely in the playoff

But good lord that was a putrid performance by the Buckeyes. And it’s been coming, hopefully a wake up call


Ohio State got knocked out of the playoff last year because they got demolished by Iowa. This one was worse. Alabama, Clemson, and Note Dame are in if they win out, and a 1-loss Big 12 team gets in over an Ohio State team that just let Purdue put 49 on them.
RE: RE: Doesn’t really change much  
chopperhatch : 10/21/2018 2:43 am : link
In comment 14137171 Bramton1 said:
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In comment 14137143 Kyle in NY said:


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barring another loss before, the winner of OSU/Michigan is likely in the playoff

But good lord that was a putrid performance by the Buckeyes. And it’s been coming, hopefully a wake up call



Ohio State got knocked out of the playoff last year because they got demolished by Iowa. This one was worse. Alabama, Clemson, and Note Dame are in if they win out, and a 1-loss Big 12 team gets in over an Ohio State team that just let Purdue put 49 on them.


That LSU/Bama game is so MASSIVE now. Yes, OSU/Mich at the end of the year was always huge, but OSU losing opens the door for LSU or Michigan. LSU wins against Bama at home, and they are obviously the favorite to take a seat in the top 4. But it also could make that Michigan/OSU game a play in game if Bama wins and the other 3 win out. Awesome drama if it holds.

As a Michigan fan but one who also roots for ND, You cant beat that drama if they both make it.
Herbert  
ajr2456 : 10/21/2018 6:49 am : link
Justin Herbert's situational accuracy numbers against Washington St-
3 drops (2 first downs)
10/15 on 3rd downs; 6/11 beyond the marker
16/19 on throws from 0-10 yards
1/9 beyond 20 yards
4/10 outside of the pocket
RE: RE: Doesn’t really change much  
dep026 : 10/21/2018 7:29 am : link
In comment 14137171 Bramton1 said:
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In comment 14137143 Kyle in NY said:


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barring another loss before, the winner of OSU/Michigan is likely in the playoff

But good lord that was a putrid performance by the Buckeyes. And it’s been coming, hopefully a wake up call



Ohio State got knocked out of the playoff last year because they got demolished by Iowa. This one was worse. Alabama, Clemson, and Note Dame are in if they win out, and a 1-loss Big 12 team gets in over an Ohio State team that just let Purdue put 49 on them.


Purdue is much better than people are giving them credit for. And there’s no fucking way a big 12 team gets in over OSU if they run the table.
RE: Geez  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/21/2018 7:49 am : link
In comment 14136829 Kyle in NY said:
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you Michigan fans sure are quick to turn on your team. Nice win in a tough environment.

November 24 looking like a de facto play in game


You mean Dep. The King of knee jerk reactions.
RE: RE: Geez  
dep026 : 10/21/2018 8:02 am : link
In comment 14137209 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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In comment 14136829 Kyle in NY said:


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you Michigan fans sure are quick to turn on your team. Nice win in a tough environment.

November 24 looking like a de facto play in game



You mean Dep. The King of knee jerk reactions.


Excuse me. I demanded a first down throw, called up Jimbo and said it’s time. Next first down was a 78 yard TD pass to take control of the game.

Even Harbaugh needs a little dep in his game plan.
RE: Herbert  
markky : 10/21/2018 8:35 am : link
In comment 14137194 ajr2456 said:
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Justin Herbert's situational accuracy numbers against Washington St-
3 drops (2 first downs)
10/15 on 3rd downs; 6/11 beyond the marker
16/19 on throws from 0-10 yards
1/9 beyond 20 yards
4/10 outside of the pocket


I didn't see any accurate long throws by Herbert. He did impress me with his ability to throw on the run, especially to the right.
Ohio State still has to go to E Lansing  
RobCarpenter : 10/21/2018 8:38 am : link
And Purdue just gave them a blueprint on how to beat Ohio State.
RE: RE: Herbert  
shyster : 10/21/2018 9:00 am : link
In comment 14137239 markky said:
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In comment 14137194 ajr2456 said:


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Justin Herbert's situational accuracy numbers against Washington St-
3 drops (2 first downs)
10/15 on 3rd downs; 6/11 beyond the marker
16/19 on throws from 0-10 yards
1/9 beyond 20 yards
4/10 outside of the pocket



I didn't see any accurate long throws by Herbert. He did impress me with his ability to throw on the run, especially to the right.


The one completion in the 1/9 stat beyond 20 yards was the deep crossing pattern for 28 yards late in the game. And that was a nice dart.

But otherwise, yes, the long passes did seem to be a hope and a prayer. There were a couple of flags on long passes where the receiver was held up.
Ohio State’s LBs were terrible  
RobCarpenter : 10/21/2018 9:09 am : link
Repeatedly gashed in the run game.

Bama will be in the playoff  
BigBlueCane : 10/21/2018 10:28 am : link
unless they drop 2 games.

RE: Bama will be in the playoff  
RobCarpenter : 10/21/2018 11:27 am : link
In comment 14137356 BigBlueCane said:
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unless they drop 2 games.


Not if they lose to LSU.
RE: RE: Doesn’t really change much  
Kyle in NY : 10/22/2018 9:16 am : link
In comment 14137171 Bramton1 said:
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In comment 14137143 Kyle in NY said:


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barring another loss before, the winner of OSU/Michigan is likely in the playoff

But good lord that was a putrid performance by the Buckeyes. And it’s been coming, hopefully a wake up call



Ohio State got knocked out of the playoff last year because they got demolished by Iowa. This one was worse. Alabama, Clemson, and Note Dame are in if they win out, and a 1-loss Big 12 team gets in over an Ohio State team that just let Purdue put 49 on them.


But last year the Iowa loss was their second loss of the season. So it became a two loss conference champ OSU against a one loss non conference champ Alabama.

If OSU wins out and has one loss I think they get in. But they were rightfully dropped substantially in the polls. So they may have to build some style points up between now and then. Something is just missing with this year's team
Purdue  
dep026 : 10/22/2018 9:27 am : link
is also much better than people think.... They lost their first 3 games by 8 points, and outplayed NW and a few fluke plays beat them. E. Michigan was a bad loss and lost to Missouri at Missouri by 3.

They have been handling teams since. One of them being Boston College who was a hot team. And of course OSU.
Agreed  
Kyle in NY : 10/22/2018 9:32 am : link
Nobody should be surprised they pulled the upset. Now dominating the way they did was a bit of surprise, but they have a good team. They could be an 8 or 9 win team by the time the season is done.

Only way a one loss big ten champ could be in some trouble is if Alabama loses a close game to either LSU or in the SEC championship game. Plus Clemson and Notre Dame go undefeated. Then they may get jumped again by non conference champion Alabama.

But there will be other losses we don't expect before the season is up. Always happens
RE: Agreed  
dep026 : 10/22/2018 9:39 am : link
In comment 14138539 Kyle in NY said:
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Nobody should be surprised they pulled the upset. Now dominating the way they did was a bit of surprise, but they have a good team. They could be an 8 or 9 win team by the time the season is done.

Only way a one loss big ten champ could be in some trouble is if Alabama loses a close game to either LSU or in the SEC championship game. Plus Clemson and Notre Dame go undefeated. Then they may get jumped again by non conference champion Alabama.

But there will be other losses we don't expect before the season is up. Always happens


If Michigan or OSU win out - one of them will be in. Especially Michigan with their only loss to a top 3 team.
Even in the scenario I prposed?  
Kyle in NY : 10/22/2018 9:45 am : link
You think they'd really leave out Alabama?
RE: Even in the scenario I prposed?  
dep026 : 10/22/2018 9:49 am : link
In comment 14138563 Kyle in NY said:
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You think they'd really leave out Alabama?


We were told yes by BBi before.... so I am going to say yes now.
RE: Ohio state  
Greg from LI : 10/22/2018 10:04 am : link
In comment 14137167 B in ALB said:
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Urb had a headache during the game and couldn't remember the calls. Then his chest hurt. Went to BW3 for some plain wings and water last night. Game over.


It's the big one!

RE: Even in the scenario I prposed?  
mdc1 : 10/22/2018 11:52 am : link
In comment 14138563 Kyle in NY said:
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You think they'd really leave out Alabama?


With the margin of performance over other teams, really hard to believe they would leave Alabama out of the playoffs. Think about it, Purdue lost to Mizz, Alabama stomped them out. If Alabama beats LSU by 2-3 scores, I think even a rivalry loss to Auburn might not have that much sway, provided they make it to SEC championship and deliver the goods. Alabama's biggest threat is themselves.
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