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Milton : 10/20/2018 7:13 pm
The FFB 10/19 thread was getting long in the tooth and the fantasy football thread was specific, so I thought it was worthwhile to start an "official" fantasy football thread of the day.

My issue is that I just received an unofficial informal offer of Barkley for Brees and Breida. Before telling me to jump on it, I should tell you that it's a PPR league in which the QBs get a point per completion, lose a half point per incompletion, get a point for every ten yards throwing, and six points per TD.

So QB is much more important in this league than in typical leagues. Last year the top RB (Gurley) had 409 points and the top QB (Brady) had 881 points. If not for the bye week, Brees would be the leader this year, as he is averaging 75 points per game. Barkley is #2 among RBs averaging 29.6 points per game to Gurley's 30.6 points per game.

My QBs are:
Brees (75ppg)
Roethlisberger (67 ppg)
Rivers (60 ppg).

My RBs are:
Gurley (30.6 ppg)
Lindsay (18.2 ppg if you excluse the game he was tossed)
DJ (14.9 ppg)
Breida (15.3 ppg)
Crowell (17.1 ppg)

So would you give up Brees and Breida for Barkley given my depth chart at QB and RB?
That should've read...  
Milton : 10/20/2018 7:15 pm : link
"the other fantasy football thread was specific"
That might be the dumbest scoring I've ever seen  
robbieballs2003 : 10/20/2018 7:17 pm : link
so, because of that, I'd say stay put.
The better question would be  
robbieballs2003 : 10/20/2018 7:19 pm : link
Barkley and who else for Brees?
One of the reasons McCoy was fired was because  
robbieballs2003 : 10/20/2018 7:24 pm : link
of his use of DJ. I expect DJ to be more productive moving forward. I know their OL was a mess but he should be catching more passes.
RE: That might be the dumbest scoring I've ever seen  
UConn4523 : 10/20/2018 7:32 pm : link
In comment 14136919 robbieballs2003 said:
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so, because of that, I'd say stay put.


Haha, half way trough reading the scoring I got nauseous. I’d never play in a league like that. My advice would be worthless on this one.
At first I didn't like the scoring...  
Milton : 10/20/2018 7:57 pm : link
But in retrospect it better reflects just how important the QB position is compared to other positions. Think about it: in most drafts the top QBs aren't selected until the 3rd round while the 1st round is dominated by RBs. Which is the exact opposite of the real NFL Draft in which QBs go earlier than their talent suggests and RBs go later than their talent suggests.

My biggest beef with the scoring is the 1 point per completion and 1/2 point per incompletion. If anything it should be the other way around (so 66% breaks you even) or simply 1/2 point for both completions and incompletions (in which case the QB need only have more completions than incompletions to be in the plus column).
The other thing I like about the league's scoring...  
Milton : 10/20/2018 8:00 pm : link
Is that it throws a monkey wrench into simply relying on what the ESPN or FantasyPros experts are recommending (since those recommendations are based on more typical scoring models).
I also like the fact that I won the championship last year...  
Milton : 10/20/2018 8:02 pm : link
...and I'm 6-0 this year. It's a 12-team $100 buy-in league, so the money is decent.
RE: One of the reasons McCoy was fired was because  
Milton : 10/20/2018 8:03 pm : link
In comment 14136929 robbieballs2003 said:
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of his use of DJ. I expect DJ to be more productive moving forward. I know their OL was a mess but he should be catching more passes.
Yeah I'm expecting better results from DJ going forward. "Hoping" might be a better word for it.
Imo,  
robbieballs2003 : 10/20/2018 8:07 pm : link
In a normal league with passing TDs worth 6 points that may be a trade that is slightly in favor of you. In this type of league I might do Brees for Barkley straight up. Adding in a RB should give you something in return.
RE: Imo,  
Milton : 10/20/2018 8:17 pm : link
In comment 14136958 robbieballs2003 said:
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In a normal league with passing TDs worth 6 points that may be a trade that is slightly in favor of you. In this type of league I might do Brees for Barkley straight up. Adding in a RB should give you something in return.
My original informal offer was Brees for Barkley straight up. Adding Breida doesn't make all that much difference since he would be buried behind Gurley, Barkley, Lindsay, and DJ anyway.

The point is moot because I ran the trade offer by my co-owner (Yuri) and he nixed it. Yuri is the one who got me into the league to begin with. Got a call last year asking me if I would help him in a fantasy football league if he put up the buy-in money and we split the prize money. I agreed, but I need to consult with him on any moves involving our starters (I have free rein with the bottom of the roster). With all the arguing it almost cost us our friendship, but because we won the damn thing we felt compelled to do it again this year. And the arguing continues!
Keeper League Question  
WillVAB : 10/20/2018 9:29 pm : link
I took over a team in a keeper league this year, kind of a donkish type league. Can only keep 3 players and it’s a straight player for round type of situation. If you keep 3, no pick in the first 3 rounds (snake). If you keep 2, no pick until round 3, etc. Standard scoring, no flex, start 3 WRs.

I only kept Bell. Roster is the following:

QB: Cousins, Rivers
RB: Bell, Barkley, Connor, Lewis, Jones
WR: Hill, Hilton, Sanders, Baldwin
TE: Kittle, Reed

I was thinking about attempting to trade Connor once Bell goes back to being Bell for an elite WR. I’d make the argument that if Bell leaves in FA, the Connor recipient would be getting a top 10 player in 19. Bell and Connor doesn’t really do me any good in 19 since I can only start 2 RBs.

What do you think? Trade Connor around week 9/10? Wait until the off-season? Or keep all 3 and work a trade after the draft?
Milton..  
EricJ : 10/20/2018 9:53 pm : link
I think you are making the wrong trade. You have two more QBs that you should think about trading. Find someone who has shit for QBs and deal one of the other two for a RB
which rb  
Mr. Nickels : 10/20/2018 10:44 pm : link
if Gordon is out

Ekelr vs Tenn in London
Mack vs Buffalo
Collins vs Saints
RE: Keeper League Question  
Milton : 10/20/2018 10:47 pm : link
In comment 14137022 WillVAB said:
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I took over a team in a keeper league this year, kind of a donkish type league. Can only keep 3 players and it’s a straight player for round type of situation. If you keep 3, no pick in the first 3 rounds (snake). If you keep 2, no pick until round 3, etc. Standard scoring, no flex, start 3 WRs.

I only kept Bell. Roster is the following:

QB: Cousins, Rivers
RB: Bell, Barkley, Connor, Lewis, Jones
WR: Hill, Hilton, Sanders, Baldwin
TE: Kittle, Reed

I was thinking about attempting to trade Connor once Bell goes back to being Bell for an elite WR. I’d make the argument that if Bell leaves in FA, the Connor recipient would be getting a top 10 player in 19. Bell and Connor doesn’t really do me any good in 19 since I can only start 2 RBs.

What do you think? Trade Connor around week 9/10? Wait until the off-season? Or keep all 3 and work a trade after the draft?
It never hurts to make trade offers that you think are favorable no matter what time of year it is. So it comes down to who you are targeting with the offer. I wouldn't give up an elite WR for either Bell or Connor regardless of the keeper angle because there is too much uncertainty involved. And from your perspective, holding onto both of them is nice insurance against that uncertainty and practically guarantees you good production from the RB position come playoff time.
RE: which rb  
Milton : 10/20/2018 10:48 pm : link
In comment 14137100 Mr. Nickels said:
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if Gordon is out

Ekelr vs Tenn in London
Mack vs Buffalo
Collins vs Saints
Ekeler!
Gronk downgraded to doubtful  
UConn4523 : 10/20/2018 10:50 pm : link
with a back injury, might be multi week.
RE: Milton..  
Milton : 10/20/2018 10:53 pm : link
In comment 14137036 EricJ said:
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I think you are making the wrong trade. You have two more QBs that you should think about trading. Find someone who has shit for QBs and deal one of the other two for a RB
I've been trying to trade both of them but nobody is biting because they still have confidence in their own choices. If Newton has a bad game, perhaps I can get Barkley for Roethlisberger and Breida. And there's a guy in the league with Michael Thomas, Julio Jones, and Smith-Shuster as his WRs and Stafford as his #1 QB. If Stafford shits the bed this week, maybe I can swing a trade of Rivers or Roethlisberger for one of those top three receivers. There's another guy with Winston as his #1 QB but I'm hesitant to swing a trade with him because he's my top competition in the league and I face him next week.
RE: RE: Keeper League Question  
WillVAB : 10/21/2018 12:44 am : link
In comment 14137104 Milton said:
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In comment 14137022 WillVAB said:


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I took over a team in a keeper league this year, kind of a donkish type league. Can only keep 3 players and it’s a straight player for round type of situation. If you keep 3, no pick in the first 3 rounds (snake). If you keep 2, no pick until round 3, etc. Standard scoring, no flex, start 3 WRs.

I only kept Bell. Roster is the following:

QB: Cousins, Rivers
RB: Bell, Barkley, Connor, Lewis, Jones
WR: Hill, Hilton, Sanders, Baldwin
TE: Kittle, Reed

I was thinking about attempting to trade Connor once Bell goes back to being Bell for an elite WR. I’d make the argument that if Bell leaves in FA, the Connor recipient would be getting a top 10 player in 19. Bell and Connor doesn’t really do me any good in 19 since I can only start 2 RBs.

What do you think? Trade Connor around week 9/10? Wait until the off-season? Or keep all 3 and work a trade after the draft?

It never hurts to make trade offers that you think are favorable no matter what time of year it is. So it comes down to who you are targeting with the offer. I wouldn't give up an elite WR for either Bell or Connor regardless of the keeper angle because there is too much uncertainty involved. And from your perspective, holding onto both of them is nice insurance against that uncertainty and practically guarantees you good production from the RB position come playoff time.


What about someone like AJ Green? I think he could help me this year. The guy that has him has a terrible team. Plus he’s arguably a top 30 guy next year.

I just feel like I’ll be losing Connor for nothing next year so I might as well try to get something of value.
still debating Brees  
OBJRoyal : 10/21/2018 5:55 am : link
still uneasy about Brees, and I have Winston at home vs the Browns, who would you start??
If Gordon is out  
Mike in NY : 10/21/2018 6:12 am : link
Pick 2 of 3

Ekeler
Alex Collins vs. NO
Peyton Barber vs. CLE
RE: Keeper League Question  
robbieballs2003 : 10/21/2018 6:17 am : link
In comment 14137022 WillVAB said:
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I took over a team in a keeper league this year, kind of a donkish type league. Can only keep 3 players and it’s a straight player for round type of situation. If you keep 3, no pick in the first 3 rounds (snake). If you keep 2, no pick until round 3, etc. Standard scoring, no flex, start 3 WRs.

I only kept Bell. Roster is the following:

QB: Cousins, Rivers
RB: Bell, Barkley, Connor, Lewis, Jones
WR: Hill, Hilton, Sanders, Baldwin
TE: Kittle, Reed

I was thinking about attempting to trade Connor once Bell goes back to being Bell for an elite WR. I’d make the argument that if Bell leaves in FA, the Connor recipient would be getting a top 10 player in 19. Bell and Connor doesn’t really do me any good in 19 since I can only start 2 RBs.

What do you think? Trade Connor around week 9/10? Wait until the off-season? Or keep all 3 and work a trade after the draft?


Hard to answer without knowing more info like how many teams and how many players you can start at each position. With that said, nothing wrong with having 3 stud RBs. Also, your WR are better than you think. Baldwin seems to be hitting his stride. Sanders has played very well this year. Hill is a beast. Hilton is the wildcard. But overall a very good group of WR. I wouldn't make a trade. Bell could be fat as shit and out of shape when he comes back after spending too much time motorboating chunky stripper asses.
RE: which rb  
robbieballs2003 : 10/21/2018 6:18 am : link
In comment 14137100 Mr. Nickels said:
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if Gordon is out

Ekelr vs Tenn in London
Mack vs Buffalo
Collins vs Saints


Ekeler easy.
RE: Gronk downgraded to doubtful  
robbieballs2003 : 10/21/2018 6:19 am : link
In comment 14137109 UConn4523 said:
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with a back injury, might be multi week.


He never made the flight so I would assume he is out.
RE: still debating Brees  
robbieballs2003 : 10/21/2018 6:24 am : link
In comment 14137184 OBJRoyal said:
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still uneasy about Brees, and I have Winston at home vs the Browns, who would you start??


If those are your choices then definitely Brees although I understand your concern. Baltimore's D has been pretty awesome this year except one game against tge Bengals if I am not mistaken. I am actually very interested in that game. I think Baltimore is a darkhorse to come out of the AFC. I think their defense can give KC fits. I also think their offense is good enough to hang with NE's and KC's offenses because both defense are not good. This will be a good test for them today against NO and they are at home so that helps too.
RE: If Gordon is out  
robbieballs2003 : 10/21/2018 6:25 am : link
In comment 14137185 Mike in NY said:
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Pick 2 of 3

Ekeler
Alex Collins vs. NO
Peyton Barber vs. CLE


Ekeler and Collins. Not buying Barber yet even though he had a good game last week.
My options if Gordon is out are  
robbieballs2003 : 10/21/2018 6:28 am : link
Duke Johnson to replace him which I like this week but then my flex opens up. I have Engram against Atlanta and Tre'Quan Smith against Baltimore. As much as I like the Smith pickup the rest of the year I am not excited about that matchup against Baltimore on the road. For that reason, I am going with Engram.
RE: My options if Gordon is out are  
EricJ : 10/21/2018 6:59 am : link
In comment 14137191 robbieballs2003 said:
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Duke Johnson to replace him which I like this week but then my flex opens up. I have Engram against Atlanta and Tre'Quan Smith against Baltimore. As much as I like the Smith pickup the rest of the year I am not excited about that matchup against Baltimore on the road. For that reason, I am going with Engram.


I would also go with Engram given your choices.
RE: RE: Keeper League Question  
WillVAB : 10/21/2018 10:28 am : link
In comment 14137186 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14137022 WillVAB said:


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I took over a team in a keeper league this year, kind of a donkish type league. Can only keep 3 players and it’s a straight player for round type of situation. If you keep 3, no pick in the first 3 rounds (snake). If you keep 2, no pick until round 3, etc. Standard scoring, no flex, start 3 WRs.

I only kept Bell. Roster is the following:

QB: Cousins, Rivers
RB: Bell, Barkley, Connor, Lewis, Jones
WR: Hill, Hilton, Sanders, Baldwin
TE: Kittle, Reed

I was thinking about attempting to trade Connor once Bell goes back to being Bell for an elite WR. I’d make the argument that if Bell leaves in FA, the Connor recipient would be getting a top 10 player in 19. Bell and Connor doesn’t really do me any good in 19 since I can only start 2 RBs.

What do you think? Trade Connor around week 9/10? Wait until the off-season? Or keep all 3 and work a trade after the draft?



Hard to answer without knowing more info like how many teams and how many players you can start at each position. With that said, nothing wrong with having 3 stud RBs. Also, your WR are better than you think. Baldwin seems to be hitting his stride. Sanders has played very well this year. Hill is a beast. Hilton is the wildcard. But overall a very good group of WR. I wouldn't make a trade. Bell could be fat as shit and out of shape when he comes back after spending too much time motorboating chunky stripper asses.


10 team league — start 1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, K, and DEF. no flex.

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