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Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/21/2018 12:04 pm
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WTF  
NYG07 : 10/21/2018 7:20 pm : link
was Alex Smith thinking running out of bounds there?
WillVAB  
UConn4523 : 10/21/2018 7:21 pm : link
that isn’t what I did at all and neither did JCN. We are laughing at Dallas investing heavily in the OLine and having nothing to show for it. It was a comment about the cowboys, not the Giants.

On what planet wouldn’t I want their OLine? When have I ever said OLine play wasn’t important.
Nantz and Romo  
jeff57 : 10/21/2018 7:21 pm : link
Practically cheerleading for Dallas.
Come on Dallas!!  
Boy Cord : 10/21/2018 7:21 pm : link
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I understand not going for the onsides kick there  
Eman11 : 10/21/2018 7:21 pm : link
But can someone explain why you kick it into the end zone when Washington had ten guys up on a hands team? Why not force Washington to return it and with no one to block for the returner hopefully pin them deep?

I guess maybe to save a few seconds but other than that, I don't see a good reason.
Beasley  
AcidTest : 10/21/2018 7:22 pm : link
was open.
RE: WTF  
LeftHook : 10/21/2018 7:22 pm : link
In comment 14138036 NYG07 said:
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was Alex Smith thinking running out of bounds there?


lol, not to smart
Crap throw.  
Boy Cord : 10/21/2018 7:22 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Everyone wants to follow the Dallas model  
gmenatlarge : 10/21/2018 7:23 pm : link
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.



Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!



That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.



Actually it was an appropriate retort, comparing teams models, you’re just butt-hurt over it because it’s true, get over it,



I’m not butthurt about anything. Going 3-13 doesn’t bother me nor does watching the Cowboys squander their investment in their OLine.

For the record, your initial reply was comparing team models so try taking your own advice you clown.


The old resorting to name-calling....pathetic.
Prescott  
AcidTest : 10/21/2018 7:23 pm : link
follows that with a great throw to Beasley. Nice catch.
WHO WE ROOTING FOR  
NewBlue : 10/21/2018 7:24 pm : link
I know the guys in DC don't want Wash....
RE: Nantz and Romo  
jnoble : 10/21/2018 7:24 pm : link
In comment 14138039 jeff57 said:
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Practically cheerleading for Dallas.

No kidding they are
RE: RE: RE: RE: Everyone wants to follow the Dallas model  
jcn56 : 10/21/2018 7:26 pm : link
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.



Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!



That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.



No team is tap dancing to a Lombardi Trophy on the back of a shitty OL. A good OL certainly doesn’t guarantee success but it’s definitely a prequisite to getting in the conversation.

You can debate how you build a quality line and the merits of burning premium picks on OL, but pointing at Dallas as an anti OL point is completely misguided.


Did you miss 2011?

Teams go deep in the playoffs with mediocre OLs. I won't mention the Patriots and their investment since they're the outlier.

There are plenty advocating that we spend premium picks, resources and time acquiring OL before we address the QB position.
Dallas needs to take a shot!!  
Boy Cord : 10/21/2018 7:26 pm : link
Hell, it’s not my team. Go for the win. Odds are it won’t get picked.
Clown got you that good, huh  
UConn4523 : 10/21/2018 7:26 pm : link
my apologies to your thin skin. But back to you contradicting yourself.
Tie tie tie  
DC Gmen Fan : 10/21/2018 7:27 pm : link
cmon tie end in a tie
i will take OT  
NewBlue : 10/21/2018 7:27 pm : link
and a tie
RE: WillVAB  
WillVAB : 10/21/2018 7:27 pm : link
In comment 14138037 UConn4523 said:
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that isn’t what I did at all and neither did JCN. We are laughing at Dallas investing heavily in the OLine and having nothing to show for it. It was a comment about the cowboys, not the Giants.

On what planet wouldn’t I want their OLine? When have I ever said OLine play wasn’t important.


A plain language reading of JCN’s post would suggest otherwise.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Everyone wants to follow the Dallas model  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/21/2018 7:28 pm : link
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.



Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!



That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.



No team is tap dancing to a Lombardi Trophy on the back of a shitty OL. A good OL certainly doesn’t guarantee success but it’s definitely a prequisite to getting in the conversation.

You can debate how you build a quality line and the merits of burning premium picks on OL, but pointing at Dallas as an anti OL point is completely misguided.

The 2011 SB Champs had a bad oline.

To your point, that's the only one I can think of off hand.
That was nice of them  
jnoble : 10/21/2018 7:28 pm : link
Its not like they had to not review it like if, say Christian McCaffery had just come up short on a 1st down in the last seconds of a game...
If this was a 60+ yarder vs. the Giants it would be good.  
Boy Cord : 10/21/2018 7:28 pm : link
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WTF!?!?  
Boy Cord : 10/21/2018 7:29 pm : link
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RE: If this was a 60+ yarder vs. the Giants it would be good.  
jnoble : 10/21/2018 7:29 pm : link
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Good  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/21/2018 7:30 pm : link
I can't stand the sight of a shitgrinning Garrett.
Penalty cost Dallas the tie  
jeff57 : 10/21/2018 7:30 pm : link
Smart play by Payne.
Well that sucks.  
Boy Cord : 10/21/2018 7:30 pm : link
Skins have a big lead in the division. Oh, well. At least Dallas fans are hurting.
Eagles and Cowboys lose  
Steve in South Jersey : 10/21/2018 7:30 pm : link
and it makes no difference to the Giants. What a sad season.
Tony Romo  
Mike in NY : 10/21/2018 7:31 pm : link
Is pissed
Dallas  
AcidTest : 10/21/2018 7:31 pm : link
hits the upright on a 52 yard FG to tie the game at 20 on the last play. The Cowboys were backed up five yards for an illegal motion penalty before the kick. That kick would have been good from five yards closer.
And the 30k Skins fans at FedEx go wild!!  
Boy Cord : 10/21/2018 7:31 pm : link
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RE: Eagles and Cowboys lose  
Larry in Pencilvania : 10/21/2018 7:32 pm : link
In comment 14138066 Steve in South Jersey said:
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and it makes no difference to the Giants. What a sad season.



Strength of schedule
Looking forward to Ray’s thread about the race to the #1 pick  
The_Boss : 10/21/2018 7:32 pm : link
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That sucks, I wanted to see overtime..  
EricJ : 10/21/2018 7:33 pm : link
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Living in Virginia it pains  
rebel yell : 10/21/2018 7:33 pm : link
me to see the Skins win, but I do LOVE seeing a sour-faced Jerry in the box.
RE: RE: WillVAB  
jcn56 : 10/21/2018 7:33 pm : link
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that isn’t what I did at all and neither did JCN. We are laughing at Dallas investing heavily in the OLine and having nothing to show for it. It was a comment about the cowboys, not the Giants.

On what planet wouldn’t I want their OLine? When have I ever said OLine play wasn’t important.



A plain language reading of JCN’s post would suggest otherwise.


You can twist all you want, nobody said OL play was unimportant. Just that you can't ply a ton of resources into it, in particular ignoring the most important skill position on the field. You don't need premiere OL play to win, you just can't be the worst.

Dallas is going to be in an interesting bind - keep paying that OL or pay Prescott. Either way they're in trouble.
Fucking disgrace this team  
jcn56 : 10/21/2018 7:34 pm : link
and the rest of the division, letting Washington take control of the division.
RE: Living in Virginia it pains  
jnoble : 10/21/2018 7:34 pm : link
In comment 14138073 rebel yell said:
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me to see the Skins win, but I do LOVE seeing a sour-faced Jerry in the box.


Not just him but his entire family
LOLOLOLOLZ!
I can handle the Skins running away with the division  
GiantGolfer : 10/21/2018 7:34 pm : link
if the Giants are eliminated. They are pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
...  
Man In The Box : 10/21/2018 7:35 pm : link
Nice to see Dallas lose that way
Dallas will do both  
UConn4523 : 10/21/2018 7:36 pm : link
and pray it works out. They will invest in Dak, JJ wouldn’t be able to handle losing him and not being able to replace him and/or watching Dak have success elsewhere. They will also pay their OL because they absolutely cannot win with Dak without that OLine. The 2 entities are attached at the hip.
RE: Eagles and Cowboys lose  
Defense56 : 10/21/2018 7:36 pm : link
In comment 14138066 Steve in South Jersey said:
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and it makes no difference to the Giants. What a sad season.

If there's any hope,which is doubtful, probably the best outcome for the Giants. Redskins are the only team in the NFC East they haven't played (and lost to).
RE: Looking forward to Ray’s thread about the race to the #1 pick  
ray in arlington : 10/21/2018 7:38 pm : link
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was going to wait until after the Giants game. After all if NYG win maybe I'll have to look at the playoff race :)


RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Everyone wants to follow the Dallas model  
WillVAB : 10/21/2018 7:38 pm : link
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.



Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!



That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.



No team is tap dancing to a Lombardi Trophy on the back of a shitty OL. A good OL certainly doesn’t guarantee success but it’s definitely a prequisite to getting in the conversation.

You can debate how you build a quality line and the merits of burning premium picks on OL, but pointing at Dallas as an anti OL point is completely misguided.



Did you miss 2011?

Teams go deep in the playoffs with mediocre OLs. I won't mention the Patriots and their investment since they're the outlier.

There are plenty advocating that we spend premium picks, resources and time acquiring OL before we address the QB position.


Did you miss 2011? The OL played a lot better in the playoffs than they did in the regular season and they were a solid pass blocking unit all year.

Who are these teams you speak of? You’re creating some bullshit narrative out of thin air.

It amazes me that any Giants fan would advocate kicking the OL can down the road after watching this team the last 7 years.
Well the Giants haven’t kicked the can down the road  
UConn4523 : 10/21/2018 7:43 pm : link
Pugh, Richburg, and Flowers all had problems. Flowers being a top pick made it a disaster. Then they spent on FAs like Baas and Schwartz which also didn’t work out.

Don’t confuse not doing something with doing something and failing.
I didn't, which is why I don't advocate the bullshit  
jcn56 : 10/21/2018 7:44 pm : link
Overreaction that is the 'we need to spend years rebuilding the lines' crowd.

The 2011 line was awful at first, incapable of doing much, and finished mediocre. And guess what, with good enough play from the skill positions that was enough to win a SB.

Nobody is suggesting we should abandon the OL rebuild, just that an average OL combined with players like SB and OBJ, and average QB play should be enough to compete.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Everyone wants to follow the Dallas model  
Ira : 10/21/2018 7:45 pm : link
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.



Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!



That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.



No team is tap dancing to a Lombardi Trophy on the back of a shitty OL. A good OL certainly doesn’t guarantee success but it’s definitely a prequisite to getting in the conversation.

You can debate how you build a quality line and the merits of burning premium picks on OL, but pointing at Dallas as an anti OL point is completely misguided.



Did you miss 2011?

Teams go deep in the playoffs with mediocre OLs. I won't mention the Patriots and their investment since they're the outlier.

There are plenty advocating that we spend premium picks, resources and time acquiring OL before we address the QB position.


If there's a qb you want to lead your team for the next ten years, of course you draft him. If that guy isn't there, but there's a stud at another position wait another year to go qb.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Everyone wants to follow the Dallas model  
jcn56 : 10/21/2018 7:50 pm : link
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.



Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!



That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.



No team is tap dancing to a Lombardi Trophy on the back of a shitty OL. A good OL certainly doesn’t guarantee success but it’s definitely a prequisite to getting in the conversation.

You can debate how you build a quality line and the merits of burning premium picks on OL, but pointing at Dallas as an anti OL point is completely misguided.



Did you miss 2011?

Teams go deep in the playoffs with mediocre OLs. I won't mention the Patriots and their investment since they're the outlier.

There are plenty advocating that we spend premium picks, resources and time acquiring OL before we address the QB position.



If there's a qb you want to lead your team for the next ten years, of course you draft him. If that guy isn't there, but there's a stud at another position wait another year to go qb.


What if that stud isn't there for the next 3 years, then what? Do you compromise? Go FA? Run whatever you have in the roster out there?

At some point, the Giants need to find the solution, and until then, they're likely going to be cellar dwellers.
RE: Well the Giants haven’t kicked the can down the road  
WillVAB : 10/21/2018 8:02 pm : link
In comment 14138092 UConn4523 said:
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Pugh, Richburg, and Flowers all had problems. Flowers being a top pick made it a disaster. Then they spent on FAs like Baas and Schwartz which also didn’t work out.

Don’t confuse not doing something with doing something and failing.


So what? Just throw your hands up and say we tried? I never said they didn’t try, but this isn’t youth league soccer where everyone gets a participation trophy. The OL needs to be fixed regardless of what they invested in it in the past.
Really?  
UConn4523 : 10/21/2018 8:17 pm : link
I had no idea...
If we can get a right guard and tackle along with some mobility at QB  
joe48 : 10/22/2018 5:04 am : link
We could score points consistently. Add another pass rusher and we can be competitive next year. I am not saying SB.
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