and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
They have always still had a serious hole. Either no defense, or no WRs. Their QB is over rated and really cannot win enough games when it is put on his shoulders.
and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
To be fair there best offensive lineman contracted a rare disease
That's going to happen, guys go down in the NFL (although usually due to injury not disease). The fact that they never addressed the QB position for life after Romo is the bigger problem.
Kerrigan's play seems to be the difference maker for the Skins. Â
and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
Actually it was an appropriate retort, comparing teams models, you’re just butt-hurt over it because it’s true, get over it,
and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
No team is tap dancing to a Lombardi Trophy on the back of a shitty OL. A good OL certainly doesn’t guarantee success but it’s definitely a prequisite to getting in the conversation.
You can debate how you build a quality line and the merits of burning premium picks on OL, but pointing at Dallas as an anti OL point is completely misguided.
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
Actually it was an appropriate retort, comparing teams models, you’re just butt-hurt over it because it’s true, get over it,
I’m not butthurt about anything. Going 3-13 doesn’t bother me nor does watching the Cowboys squander their investment in their OLine.
For the record, your initial reply was comparing team models so try taking your own advice you clown.
that isn’t what I did at all and neither did JCN. We are laughing at Dallas investing heavily in the OLine and having nothing to show for it. It was a comment about the cowboys, not the Giants.
On what planet wouldn’t I want their OLine? When have I ever said OLine play wasn’t important.
But can someone explain why you kick it into the end zone when Washington had ten guys up on a hands team? Why not force Washington to return it and with no one to block for the returner hopefully pin them deep?
I guess maybe to save a few seconds but other than that, I don't see a good reason.
and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
Actually it was an appropriate retort, comparing teams models, you’re just butt-hurt over it because it’s true, get over it,
I’m not butthurt about anything. Going 3-13 doesn’t bother me nor does watching the Cowboys squander their investment in their OLine.
For the record, your initial reply was comparing team models so try taking your own advice you clown.
and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
No team is tap dancing to a Lombardi Trophy on the back of a shitty OL. A good OL certainly doesn’t guarantee success but it’s definitely a prequisite to getting in the conversation.
You can debate how you build a quality line and the merits of burning premium picks on OL, but pointing at Dallas as an anti OL point is completely misguided.
Did you miss 2011?
Teams go deep in the playoffs with mediocre OLs. I won't mention the Patriots and their investment since they're the outlier.
There are plenty advocating that we spend premium picks, resources and time acquiring OL before we address the QB position.
that isn’t what I did at all and neither did JCN. We are laughing at Dallas investing heavily in the OLine and having nothing to show for it. It was a comment about the cowboys, not the Giants.
On what planet wouldn’t I want their OLine? When have I ever said OLine play wasn’t important.
A plain language reading of JCN’s post would suggest otherwise.
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
No team is tap dancing to a Lombardi Trophy on the back of a shitty OL. A good OL certainly doesn’t guarantee success but it’s definitely a prequisite to getting in the conversation.
You can debate how you build a quality line and the merits of burning premium picks on OL, but pointing at Dallas as an anti OL point is completely misguided.
The 2011 SB Champs had a bad oline.
To your point, that's the only one I can think of off hand.
hits the upright on a 52 yard FG to tie the game at 20 on the last play. The Cowboys were backed up five yards for an illegal motion penalty before the kick. That kick would have been good from five yards closer.
that isn’t what I did at all and neither did JCN. We are laughing at Dallas investing heavily in the OLine and having nothing to show for it. It was a comment about the cowboys, not the Giants.
On what planet wouldn’t I want their OLine? When have I ever said OLine play wasn’t important.
A plain language reading of JCN’s post would suggest otherwise.
You can twist all you want, nobody said OL play was unimportant. Just that you can't ply a ton of resources into it, in particular ignoring the most important skill position on the field. You don't need premiere OL play to win, you just can't be the worst.
Dallas is going to be in an interesting bind - keep paying that OL or pay Prescott. Either way they're in trouble.
and pray it works out. They will invest in Dak, JJ wouldn’t be able to handle losing him and not being able to replace him and/or watching Dak have success elsewhere. They will also pay their OL because they absolutely cannot win with Dak without that OLine. The 2 entities are attached at the hip.
and it makes no difference to the Giants. What a sad season.
If there's any hope,which is doubtful, probably the best outcome for the Giants. Redskins are the only team in the NFC East they haven't played (and lost to).
RE: Looking forward to Ray’s thread about the race to the #1 pick Â
and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
No team is tap dancing to a Lombardi Trophy on the back of a shitty OL. A good OL certainly doesn’t guarantee success but it’s definitely a prequisite to getting in the conversation.
You can debate how you build a quality line and the merits of burning premium picks on OL, but pointing at Dallas as an anti OL point is completely misguided.
Did you miss 2011?
Teams go deep in the playoffs with mediocre OLs. I won't mention the Patriots and their investment since they're the outlier.
There are plenty advocating that we spend premium picks, resources and time acquiring OL before we address the QB position.
Did you miss 2011? The OL played a lot better in the playoffs than they did in the regular season and they were a solid pass blocking unit all year.
Who are these teams you speak of? You’re creating some bullshit narrative out of thin air.
It amazes me that any Giants fan would advocate kicking the OL can down the road after watching this team the last 7 years.
Well the Giants haven’t kicked the can down the road Â
Pugh, Richburg, and Flowers all had problems. Flowers being a top pick made it a disaster. Then they spent on FAs like Baas and Schwartz which also didn’t work out.
Don’t confuse not doing something with doing something and failing.
I didn't, which is why I don't advocate the bullshit Â
Overreaction that is the 'we need to spend years rebuilding the lines' crowd.
The 2011 line was awful at first, incapable of doing much, and finished mediocre. And guess what, with good enough play from the skill positions that was enough to win a SB.
Nobody is suggesting we should abandon the OL rebuild, just that an average OL combined with players like SB and OBJ, and average QB play should be enough to compete.
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
No team is tap dancing to a Lombardi Trophy on the back of a shitty OL. A good OL certainly doesn’t guarantee success but it’s definitely a prequisite to getting in the conversation.
You can debate how you build a quality line and the merits of burning premium picks on OL, but pointing at Dallas as an anti OL point is completely misguided.
Did you miss 2011?
Teams go deep in the playoffs with mediocre OLs. I won't mention the Patriots and their investment since they're the outlier.
There are plenty advocating that we spend premium picks, resources and time acquiring OL before we address the QB position.
If there's a qb you want to lead your team for the next ten years, of course you draft him. If that guy isn't there, but there's a stud at another position wait another year to go qb.
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
No team is tap dancing to a Lombardi Trophy on the back of a shitty OL. A good OL certainly doesn’t guarantee success but it’s definitely a prequisite to getting in the conversation.
You can debate how you build a quality line and the merits of burning premium picks on OL, but pointing at Dallas as an anti OL point is completely misguided.
Did you miss 2011?
Teams go deep in the playoffs with mediocre OLs. I won't mention the Patriots and their investment since they're the outlier.
There are plenty advocating that we spend premium picks, resources and time acquiring OL before we address the QB position.
If there's a qb you want to lead your team for the next ten years, of course you draft him. If that guy isn't there, but there's a stud at another position wait another year to go qb.
What if that stud isn't there for the next 3 years, then what? Do you compromise? Go FA? Run whatever you have in the roster out there?
At some point, the Giants need to find the solution, and until then, they're likely going to be cellar dwellers.
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Pugh, Richburg, and Flowers all had problems. Flowers being a top pick made it a disaster. Then they spent on FAs like Baas and Schwartz which also didn’t work out.
Don’t confuse not doing something with doing something and failing.
So what? Just throw your hands up and say we tried? I never said they didn’t try, but this isn’t youth league soccer where everyone gets a participation trophy. The OL needs to be fixed regardless of what they invested in it in the past.
I feel better if I know Cowboy fans are suffering.
I feel better if I know Cowboy fans are suffering.
Have to disagree. WAS fans are getting cocky as hell
Except his employer
That’s Dak....damn spellcheck
He should only be able to comment on injuries if the guy is on the ground,looking he just participated in the running of the linebackers.
Except his employer
He was sitting there in the 2nd round for us to take to put in Fewell's Tampa 2 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Moving the ball with only runs, big play action to the ten.
Peterson looking great.
How many years since we ran 7 times in a row? 40?
I hate when he makes a noise like he's taking a painful dump during replays of contested catches or fumbles
Ask them if they were at the game. Looks like there are 30k seats available.
I'm sorry I can't stop laughing
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
To be fair there best offensive lineman contracted a rare disease
They have always still had a serious hole. Either no defense, or no WRs. Their QB is over rated and really cannot win enough games when it is put on his shoulders.
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
After winning 2 SBs in the past 11 years. Did you learn your football from Jenny McCarthy too?
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
To be fair there best offensive lineman contracted a rare disease
That's going to happen, guys go down in the NFL (although usually due to injury not disease). The fact that they never addressed the QB position for life after Romo is the bigger problem.
No one wants to follow the Dallas model.
You can build a good OL without pumping 3 first round picks into it.
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
Actually it was an appropriate retort, comparing teams models, you’re just butt-hurt over it because it’s true, get over it,
Donald, right?
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
No team is tap dancing to a Lombardi Trophy on the back of a shitty OL. A good OL certainly doesn’t guarantee success but it’s definitely a prequisite to getting in the conversation.
You can debate how you build a quality line and the merits of burning premium picks on OL, but pointing at Dallas as an anti OL point is completely misguided.
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
Actually it was an appropriate retort, comparing teams models, you’re just butt-hurt over it because it’s true, get over it,
I’m not butthurt about anything. Going 3-13 doesn’t bother me nor does watching the Cowboys squander their investment in their OLine.
For the record, your initial reply was comparing team models so try taking your own advice you clown.
On what planet wouldn’t I want their OLine? When have I ever said OLine play wasn’t important.
I guess maybe to save a few seconds but other than that, I don't see a good reason.
lol, not to smart
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
Actually it was an appropriate retort, comparing teams models, you’re just butt-hurt over it because it’s true, get over it,
I’m not butthurt about anything. Going 3-13 doesn’t bother me nor does watching the Cowboys squander their investment in their OLine.
For the record, your initial reply was comparing team models so try taking your own advice you clown.
The old resorting to name-calling....pathetic.
No kidding they are
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
No team is tap dancing to a Lombardi Trophy on the back of a shitty OL. A good OL certainly doesn’t guarantee success but it’s definitely a prequisite to getting in the conversation.
You can debate how you build a quality line and the merits of burning premium picks on OL, but pointing at Dallas as an anti OL point is completely misguided.
Did you miss 2011?
Teams go deep in the playoffs with mediocre OLs. I won't mention the Patriots and their investment since they're the outlier.
There are plenty advocating that we spend premium picks, resources and time acquiring OL before we address the QB position.
On what planet wouldn’t I want their OLine? When have I ever said OLine play wasn’t important.
A plain language reading of JCN’s post would suggest otherwise.
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
No team is tap dancing to a Lombardi Trophy on the back of a shitty OL. A good OL certainly doesn’t guarantee success but it’s definitely a prequisite to getting in the conversation.
You can debate how you build a quality line and the merits of burning premium picks on OL, but pointing at Dallas as an anti OL point is completely misguided.
The 2011 SB Champs had a bad oline.
To your point, that's the only one I can think of off hand.
Of course it would
Strength of schedule
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that isn’t what I did at all and neither did JCN. We are laughing at Dallas investing heavily in the OLine and having nothing to show for it. It was a comment about the cowboys, not the Giants.
On what planet wouldn’t I want their OLine? When have I ever said OLine play wasn’t important.
A plain language reading of JCN’s post would suggest otherwise.
You can twist all you want, nobody said OL play was unimportant. Just that you can't ply a ton of resources into it, in particular ignoring the most important skill position on the field. You don't need premiere OL play to win, you just can't be the worst.
Dallas is going to be in an interesting bind - keep paying that OL or pay Prescott. Either way they're in trouble.
Not just him but his entire family
LOLOLOLOLZ!
If there's any hope,which is doubtful, probably the best outcome for the Giants. Redskins are the only team in the NFC East they haven't played (and lost to).
was going to wait until after the Giants game. After all if NYG win maybe I'll have to look at the playoff race :)
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
No team is tap dancing to a Lombardi Trophy on the back of a shitty OL. A good OL certainly doesn’t guarantee success but it’s definitely a prequisite to getting in the conversation.
You can debate how you build a quality line and the merits of burning premium picks on OL, but pointing at Dallas as an anti OL point is completely misguided.
Did you miss 2011?
Teams go deep in the playoffs with mediocre OLs. I won't mention the Patriots and their investment since they're the outlier.
There are plenty advocating that we spend premium picks, resources and time acquiring OL before we address the QB position.
Did you miss 2011? The OL played a lot better in the playoffs than they did in the regular season and they were a solid pass blocking unit all year.
Who are these teams you speak of? You’re creating some bullshit narrative out of thin air.
It amazes me that any Giants fan would advocate kicking the OL can down the road after watching this team the last 7 years.
Don’t confuse not doing something with doing something and failing.
The 2011 line was awful at first, incapable of doing much, and finished mediocre. And guess what, with good enough play from the skill positions that was enough to win a SB.
Nobody is suggesting we should abandon the OL rebuild, just that an average OL combined with players like SB and OBJ, and average QB play should be enough to compete.
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
No team is tap dancing to a Lombardi Trophy on the back of a shitty OL. A good OL certainly doesn’t guarantee success but it’s definitely a prequisite to getting in the conversation.
You can debate how you build a quality line and the merits of burning premium picks on OL, but pointing at Dallas as an anti OL point is completely misguided.
Did you miss 2011?
Teams go deep in the playoffs with mediocre OLs. I won't mention the Patriots and their investment since they're the outlier.
There are plenty advocating that we spend premium picks, resources and time acquiring OL before we address the QB position.
If there's a qb you want to lead your team for the next ten years, of course you draft him. If that guy isn't there, but there's a stud at another position wait another year to go qb.
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
No team is tap dancing to a Lombardi Trophy on the back of a shitty OL. A good OL certainly doesn’t guarantee success but it’s definitely a prequisite to getting in the conversation.
You can debate how you build a quality line and the merits of burning premium picks on OL, but pointing at Dallas as an anti OL point is completely misguided.
Did you miss 2011?
Teams go deep in the playoffs with mediocre OLs. I won't mention the Patriots and their investment since they're the outlier.
There are plenty advocating that we spend premium picks, resources and time acquiring OL before we address the QB position.
If there's a qb you want to lead your team for the next ten years, of course you draft him. If that guy isn't there, but there's a stud at another position wait another year to go qb.
What if that stud isn't there for the next 3 years, then what? Do you compromise? Go FA? Run whatever you have in the roster out there?
At some point, the Giants need to find the solution, and until then, they're likely going to be cellar dwellers.
Don’t confuse not doing something with doing something and failing.
So what? Just throw your hands up and say we tried? I never said they didn’t try, but this isn’t youth league soccer where everyone gets a participation trophy. The OL needs to be fixed regardless of what they invested in it in the past.