Pugh, Richburg, and Flowers all had problems. Flowers being a top pick made it a disaster. Then they spent on FAs like Baas and Schwartz which also didn’t work out.
Don’t confuse not doing something with doing something and failing.
I didn't, which is why I don't advocate the bullshit Â
Overreaction that is the 'we need to spend years rebuilding the lines' crowd.
The 2011 line was awful at first, incapable of doing much, and finished mediocre. And guess what, with good enough play from the skill positions that was enough to win a SB.
Nobody is suggesting we should abandon the OL rebuild, just that an average OL combined with players like SB and OBJ, and average QB play should be enough to compete.
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
No team is tap dancing to a Lombardi Trophy on the back of a shitty OL. A good OL certainly doesn’t guarantee success but it’s definitely a prequisite to getting in the conversation.
You can debate how you build a quality line and the merits of burning premium picks on OL, but pointing at Dallas as an anti OL point is completely misguided.
Did you miss 2011?
Teams go deep in the playoffs with mediocre OLs. I won't mention the Patriots and their investment since they're the outlier.
There are plenty advocating that we spend premium picks, resources and time acquiring OL before we address the QB position.
If there's a qb you want to lead your team for the next ten years, of course you draft him. If that guy isn't there, but there's a stud at another position wait another year to go qb.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Everyone wants to follow the Dallas model Â
and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
No team is tap dancing to a Lombardi Trophy on the back of a shitty OL. A good OL certainly doesn’t guarantee success but it’s definitely a prequisite to getting in the conversation.
You can debate how you build a quality line and the merits of burning premium picks on OL, but pointing at Dallas as an anti OL point is completely misguided.
Did you miss 2011?
Teams go deep in the playoffs with mediocre OLs. I won't mention the Patriots and their investment since they're the outlier.
There are plenty advocating that we spend premium picks, resources and time acquiring OL before we address the QB position.
If there's a qb you want to lead your team for the next ten years, of course you draft him. If that guy isn't there, but there's a stud at another position wait another year to go qb.
What if that stud isn't there for the next 3 years, then what? Do you compromise? Go FA? Run whatever you have in the roster out there?
At some point, the Giants need to find the solution, and until then, they're likely going to be cellar dwellers.
RE: Well the Giants haven’t kicked the can down the road Â
Pugh, Richburg, and Flowers all had problems. Flowers being a top pick made it a disaster. Then they spent on FAs like Baas and Schwartz which also didn’t work out.
Don’t confuse not doing something with doing something and failing.
So what? Just throw your hands up and say we tried? I never said they didn’t try, but this isn’t youth league soccer where everyone gets a participation trophy. The OL needs to be fixed regardless of what they invested in it in the past.
Don’t confuse not doing something with doing something and failing.
The 2011 line was awful at first, incapable of doing much, and finished mediocre. And guess what, with good enough play from the skill positions that was enough to win a SB.
Nobody is suggesting we should abandon the OL rebuild, just that an average OL combined with players like SB and OBJ, and average QB play should be enough to compete.
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
No team is tap dancing to a Lombardi Trophy on the back of a shitty OL. A good OL certainly doesn’t guarantee success but it’s definitely a prequisite to getting in the conversation.
You can debate how you build a quality line and the merits of burning premium picks on OL, but pointing at Dallas as an anti OL point is completely misguided.
Did you miss 2011?
Teams go deep in the playoffs with mediocre OLs. I won't mention the Patriots and their investment since they're the outlier.
There are plenty advocating that we spend premium picks, resources and time acquiring OL before we address the QB position.
If there's a qb you want to lead your team for the next ten years, of course you draft him. If that guy isn't there, but there's a stud at another position wait another year to go qb.
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and build a big, expensive OL. Hasn't won them anything, and it doesn't seem like it will any time soon.
Yeah, much better to follow that giants model and have your season over 8n October!
That’s a really shitty retort. The point is Dallas is lauded yearly for how amazing their line is and that’s how you win in the NFL but they don’t have a thing to show for it. I’d actually rather be the Giants, they don’t have to pay Dak Prescott.
No team is tap dancing to a Lombardi Trophy on the back of a shitty OL. A good OL certainly doesn’t guarantee success but it’s definitely a prequisite to getting in the conversation.
You can debate how you build a quality line and the merits of burning premium picks on OL, but pointing at Dallas as an anti OL point is completely misguided.
Did you miss 2011?
Teams go deep in the playoffs with mediocre OLs. I won't mention the Patriots and their investment since they're the outlier.
There are plenty advocating that we spend premium picks, resources and time acquiring OL before we address the QB position.
If there's a qb you want to lead your team for the next ten years, of course you draft him. If that guy isn't there, but there's a stud at another position wait another year to go qb.
What if that stud isn't there for the next 3 years, then what? Do you compromise? Go FA? Run whatever you have in the roster out there?
At some point, the Giants need to find the solution, and until then, they're likely going to be cellar dwellers.
Don’t confuse not doing something with doing something and failing.
So what? Just throw your hands up and say we tried? I never said they didn’t try, but this isn’t youth league soccer where everyone gets a participation trophy. The OL needs to be fixed regardless of what they invested in it in the past.