B in ALB, I think, brought up last week that Eli isn't calling out protections anymore, nor is he doing many audibles at the line, if any.
"55 is the Mike, 55 is the Mike, Omaha, Omaha..." felt burned into my brain for the better part of the last decade.
Have the new offenses under McAdoo and Shurmur taken that away from the QB? I'd have to go back and watch, or pay attention to it tonight, but I used to think one of the strongest aspects of Eli's game was identifying the defense/blitz, and then calling protection accordingly.
Does anybody know if that's happening anymore? I honestly hadn't noticed.
In game recognition by the coaches and players. Greco is really shitting the bed there. He looks like he's still playing guard at center. Maybe that was the change to Pulley, those types of things.
The fact that Barkley is averaging 5.2 per carry behind this line Â
B in ALB, I think, brought up last week that Eli isn't calling out protections anymore, nor is he doing many audibles at the line, if any.
"55 is the Mike, 55 is the Mike, Omaha, Omaha..." felt burned into my brain for the better part of the last decade.
Have the new offenses under McAdoo and Shurmur taken that away from the QB? I'd have to go back and watch, or pay attention to it tonight, but I used to think one of the strongest aspects of Eli's game was identifying the defense/blitz, and then calling protection accordingly.
Does anybody know if that's happening anymore? I honestly hadn't noticed.
Nope those aren't happening, this system, similar to McAdoo's is not rife with audible and changes, it's more about quicker tempo and getting plays out than it is a chess match. For instance, on those plays IT IS NOT a coaching issue, that is a center who is playing his what 3rd game in his career at center not making the line calls on his own. He has that ability to make those line changes last second and he's not doing it. This is a player problem on those plays that Baldy points out.
B in ALB, I think, brought up last week that Eli isn't calling out protections anymore, nor is he doing many audibles at the line, if any.
"55 is the Mike, 55 is the Mike, Omaha, Omaha..." felt burned into my brain for the better part of the last decade.
Have the new offenses under McAdoo and Shurmur taken that away from the QB? I'd have to go back and watch, or pay attention to it tonight, but I used to think one of the strongest aspects of Eli's game was identifying the defense/blitz, and then calling protection accordingly.
Does anybody know if that's happening anymore? I honestly hadn't noticed.
Oh the irony. Years of posters here begging for a more QB friendly system so Eli can put up gaudy stats, and now longing for the days of Gilbride after 2 WCO systems. The bottom line, Eli has always been best suited for Coughlin/Gilbride. Eli needs to be able to use his brains which he doesn’t as much anymore.
Everyone overreacted to 2013 which set the wheels in motion for this mess.
Gettleman walked in the door talking up smash mouth football and a return to the way the Giants historically have played. Then a month later the franchise hires Shurmur who runs an entirely different style to that and has been influenced by some of the same coaches who influenced McAdoo.
Eli/Coughlin should have been linked until the end.. Â
Brees/Payton had 3 straight 7-9 seasons & they waited it out. I’m hindsight, we should have either committed to everyone or moved on from everyone. WCO & Eli aren’t a fit.
Why is it that other teams can plug and play undrafted OL on a weekly basis and still put up 30 pts, but we are now 3 years in and 19 different guys and they are all incompetent and mess up simple assignments? Multiple coaches and yet the same thing over and over. Why is that?
This is the big unanswered question of the last 5+ years. Teams always have weak spots, injuries, etc yet manage to have functional offenses with random plug ins on the OL. Sometimes really good offenses. That has not happened to the giants with high picks, mid picks, undrafted, vet FAs...everything. And we can never get it to work. You'd think you'd randomly stumble upon something good at some point.
B in ALB, I think, brought up last week that Eli isn't calling out protections anymore, nor is he doing many audibles at the line, if any.
"55 is the Mike, 55 is the Mike, Omaha, Omaha..." felt burned into my brain for the better part of the last decade.
Have the new offenses under McAdoo and Shurmur taken that away from the QB? I'd have to go back and watch, or pay attention to it tonight, but I used to think one of the strongest aspects of Eli's game was identifying the defense/blitz, and then calling protection accordingly.
Does anybody know if that's happening anymore? I honestly hadn't noticed.
Oh the irony. Years of posters here begging for a more QB friendly system so Eli can put up gaudy stats, and now longing for the days of Gilbride after 2 WCO systems. The bottom line, Eli has always been best suited for Coughlin/Gilbride. Eli needs to be able to use his brains which he doesn’t as much anymore.
Everyone overreacted to 2013 which set the wheels in motion for this mess.
I could not possibly agree more. Mara...."The offense is broken" Let's fire the head coach's OC and undermine his authority in the locker room instead of holding the "rock star" young minority GM accountable for not getting the head coach and OC players that fit the system the 2 time SB winning MVP thrives in. Yeah, that's a good plan. I mean trying to fix what worked twice in 4 years is a fucking terrible idea. Eli will be fine changing to a completely different offensive philosophy at that stage of his career. Let's draft according to this nifty height/speed chart, instead of focusing on their college production. They will develop into the the JPP of X position players. Great idea.
Why is it that other teams can plug and play undrafted OL on a weekly basis and still put up 30 pts, but we are now 3 years in and 19 different guys and they are all incompetent and mess up simple assignments? Multiple coaches and yet the same thing over and over. Why is that?
This is the big unanswered question of the last 5+ years. Teams always have weak spots, injuries, etc yet manage to have functional offenses with random plug ins on the OL. Sometimes really good offenses. That has not happened to the giants with high picks, mid picks, undrafted, vet FAs...everything. And we can never get it to work. You'd think you'd randomly stumble upon something good at some point.
We actually did plug and play in 2015 (Flowers rookie season), and we scored over 30 points 7 times.
That said, it wasn't ideal, and we couldn't run for sh-t.... Â
B in ALB, I think, brought up last week that Eli isn't calling out protections anymore, nor is he doing many audibles at the line, if any.
"55 is the Mike, 55 is the Mike, Omaha, Omaha..." felt burned into my brain for the better part of the last decade.
Have the new offenses under McAdoo and Shurmur taken that away from the QB? I'd have to go back and watch, or pay attention to it tonight, but I used to think one of the strongest aspects of Eli's game was identifying the defense/blitz, and then calling protection accordingly.
Does anybody know if that's happening anymore? I honestly hadn't noticed.
Oh the irony. Years of posters here begging for a more QB friendly system so Eli can put up gaudy stats, and now longing for the days of Gilbride after 2 WCO systems. The bottom line, Eli has always been best suited for Coughlin/Gilbride. Eli needs to be able to use his brains which he doesn’t as much anymore.
Everyone overreacted to 2013 which set the wheels in motion for this mess.
I could not possibly agree more. Mara...."The offense is broken" Let's fire the head coach's OC and undermine his authority in the locker room instead of holding the "rock star" young minority GM accountable for not getting the head coach and OC players that fit the system the 2 time SB winning MVP thrives in. Yeah, that's a good plan. I mean trying to fix what worked twice in 4 years is a fucking terrible idea. Eli will be fine changing to a completely different offensive philosophy at that stage of his career. Let's draft according to this nifty height/speed chart, instead of focusing on their college production. They will develop into the the JPP of X position players. Great idea.
The racism is fucking pathetic. Are you serious with this:
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...holding the "rock star" young minority GM accountable for not getting the head.
Do you really think Reese keeping his job had anything to do with his being black? Or Coughlin losing his because he was white?
Are some of you really this fucking stupid? The owner retained a kicker involved in a domestic abuse scandal because he thought he gave him a marginally better chance at winning, do you really think he'd have kept Reese around just because he was afraid of backlash if he was fired?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Here's something I was thinking about.... Â
B in ALB, I think, brought up last week that Eli isn't calling out protections anymore, nor is he doing many audibles at the line, if any.
"55 is the Mike, 55 is the Mike, Omaha, Omaha..." felt burned into my brain for the better part of the last decade.
Have the new offenses under McAdoo and Shurmur taken that away from the QB? I'd have to go back and watch, or pay attention to it tonight, but I used to think one of the strongest aspects of Eli's game was identifying the defense/blitz, and then calling protection accordingly.
Does anybody know if that's happening anymore? I honestly hadn't noticed.
Oh the irony. Years of posters here begging for a more QB friendly system so Eli can put up gaudy stats, and now longing for the days of Gilbride after 2 WCO systems. The bottom line, Eli has always been best suited for Coughlin/Gilbride. Eli needs to be able to use his brains which he doesn’t as much anymore.
Everyone overreacted to 2013 which set the wheels in motion for this mess.
I could not possibly agree more. Mara...."The offense is broken" Let's fire the head coach's OC and undermine his authority in the locker room instead of holding the "rock star" young minority GM accountable for not getting the head coach and OC players that fit the system the 2 time SB winning MVP thrives in. Yeah, that's a good plan. I mean trying to fix what worked twice in 4 years is a fucking terrible idea. Eli will be fine changing to a completely different offensive philosophy at that stage of his career. Let's draft according to this nifty height/speed chart, instead of focusing on their college production. They will develop into the the JPP of X position players. Great idea.
The racism is fucking pathetic. Are you serious with this:
Quote:
...holding the "rock star" young minority GM accountable for not getting the head.
Do you really think Reese keeping his job had anything to do with his being black? Or Coughlin losing his because he was white?
Are some of you really this fucking stupid? The owner retained a kicker involved in a domestic abuse scandal because he thought he gave him a marginally better chance at winning, do you really think he'd have kept Reese around just because he was afraid of backlash if he was fired?
Jesus fucking Christ. I AM NOT SAYING HE WAS NOT FIRED BECAUSE HE WAS A MINORITY. It is just a reality of the situation. He was a minority GM in league made of 70%+ minority players in a league that had exactly 3 minority GM's in its entire history up to that point. The guy was GM for a SB win just 2 years ago. That would not have been an easy fire for an old white guy in today's climate. It is not unrealistic to suggest the Giants would have heard...Has a white GM ever been fired 2 years removed from a SB win? Not easy to talk about race, I get it.
You're implying the only reason he didn't lose his job is because 'it wouldn't be easy' to fire him.
He fired him two years later. Did the US achieve some sort of racial nirvana in that time that made it easier?
I am not implying shit. In 2013 JR was a rock star minority GM. It mattered. They subsequently blundered the Eli thing and there then had been countless reports of how bad his drafts were. Drafted players no longer on the team or playing. His record justified the firing. Most people expected him to be fired. In 2013 JR was not going to be fired. I wish he had drafted better and he was still here.
"55 is the Mike, 55 is the Mike, Omaha, Omaha..." felt burned into my brain for the better part of the last decade.
Have the new offenses under McAdoo and Shurmur taken that away from the QB? I'd have to go back and watch, or pay attention to it tonight, but I used to think one of the strongest aspects of Eli's game was identifying the defense/blitz, and then calling protection accordingly.
Does anybody know if that's happening anymore? I honestly hadn't noticed.
"55 is the Mike, 55 is the Mike, Omaha, Omaha..." felt burned into my brain for the better part of the last decade.
Have the new offenses under McAdoo and Shurmur taken that away from the QB? I'd have to go back and watch, or pay attention to it tonight, but I used to think one of the strongest aspects of Eli's game was identifying the defense/blitz, and then calling protection accordingly.
Does anybody know if that's happening anymore? I honestly hadn't noticed.
"55 is the Mike, 55 is the Mike, Omaha, Omaha..." felt burned into my brain for the better part of the last decade.
Have the new offenses under McAdoo and Shurmur taken that away from the QB? I'd have to go back and watch, or pay attention to it tonight, but I used to think one of the strongest aspects of Eli's game was identifying the defense/blitz, and then calling protection accordingly.
Does anybody know if that's happening anymore? I honestly hadn't noticed.
Oh the irony. Years of posters here begging for a more QB friendly system so Eli can put up gaudy stats, and now longing for the days of Gilbride after 2 WCO systems. The bottom line, Eli has always been best suited for Coughlin/Gilbride. Eli needs to be able to use his brains which he doesn’t as much anymore.
Everyone overreacted to 2013 which set the wheels in motion for this mess.
This is the big unanswered question of the last 5+ years. Teams always have weak spots, injuries, etc yet manage to have functional offenses with random plug ins on the OL. Sometimes really good offenses. That has not happened to the giants with high picks, mid picks, undrafted, vet FAs...everything. And we can never get it to work. You'd think you'd randomly stumble upon something good at some point.
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B in ALB, I think, brought up last week that Eli isn't calling out protections anymore, nor is he doing many audibles at the line, if any.
"55 is the Mike, 55 is the Mike, Omaha, Omaha..." felt burned into my brain for the better part of the last decade.
Have the new offenses under McAdoo and Shurmur taken that away from the QB? I'd have to go back and watch, or pay attention to it tonight, but I used to think one of the strongest aspects of Eli's game was identifying the defense/blitz, and then calling protection accordingly.
Does anybody know if that's happening anymore? I honestly hadn't noticed.
Oh the irony. Years of posters here begging for a more QB friendly system so Eli can put up gaudy stats, and now longing for the days of Gilbride after 2 WCO systems. The bottom line, Eli has always been best suited for Coughlin/Gilbride. Eli needs to be able to use his brains which he doesn’t as much anymore.
Everyone overreacted to 2013 which set the wheels in motion for this mess.
Quote:
Why is it that other teams can plug and play undrafted OL on a weekly basis and still put up 30 pts, but we are now 3 years in and 19 different guys and they are all incompetent and mess up simple assignments? Multiple coaches and yet the same thing over and over. Why is that?
This is the big unanswered question of the last 5+ years. Teams always have weak spots, injuries, etc yet manage to have functional offenses with random plug ins on the OL. Sometimes really good offenses. That has not happened to the giants with high picks, mid picks, undrafted, vet FAs...everything. And we can never get it to work. You'd think you'd randomly stumble upon something good at some point.
We actually did plug and play in 2015 (Flowers rookie season), and we scored over 30 points 7 times.
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In comment 14139232 Britt in VA said:
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B in ALB, I think, brought up last week that Eli isn't calling out protections anymore, nor is he doing many audibles at the line, if any.
"55 is the Mike, 55 is the Mike, Omaha, Omaha..." felt burned into my brain for the better part of the last decade.
Have the new offenses under McAdoo and Shurmur taken that away from the QB? I'd have to go back and watch, or pay attention to it tonight, but I used to think one of the strongest aspects of Eli's game was identifying the defense/blitz, and then calling protection accordingly.
Does anybody know if that's happening anymore? I honestly hadn't noticed.
Oh the irony. Years of posters here begging for a more QB friendly system so Eli can put up gaudy stats, and now longing for the days of Gilbride after 2 WCO systems. The bottom line, Eli has always been best suited for Coughlin/Gilbride. Eli needs to be able to use his brains which he doesn’t as much anymore.
Everyone overreacted to 2013 which set the wheels in motion for this mess.
I could not possibly agree more. Mara...."The offense is broken" Let's fire the head coach's OC and undermine his authority in the locker room instead of holding the "rock star" young minority GM accountable for not getting the head coach and OC players that fit the system the 2 time SB winning MVP thrives in. Yeah, that's a good plan. I mean trying to fix what worked twice in 4 years is a fucking terrible idea. Eli will be fine changing to a completely different offensive philosophy at that stage of his career. Let's draft according to this nifty height/speed chart, instead of focusing on their college production. They will develop into the the JPP of X position players. Great idea.
The racism is fucking pathetic. Are you serious with this:
Do you really think Reese keeping his job had anything to do with his being black? Or Coughlin losing his because he was white?
Are some of you really this fucking stupid? The owner retained a kicker involved in a domestic abuse scandal because he thought he gave him a marginally better chance at winning, do you really think he'd have kept Reese around just because he was afraid of backlash if he was fired?
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In comment 14139257 Sean said:
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In comment 14139232 Britt in VA said:
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B in ALB, I think, brought up last week that Eli isn't calling out protections anymore, nor is he doing many audibles at the line, if any.
"55 is the Mike, 55 is the Mike, Omaha, Omaha..." felt burned into my brain for the better part of the last decade.
Have the new offenses under McAdoo and Shurmur taken that away from the QB? I'd have to go back and watch, or pay attention to it tonight, but I used to think one of the strongest aspects of Eli's game was identifying the defense/blitz, and then calling protection accordingly.
Does anybody know if that's happening anymore? I honestly hadn't noticed.
Oh the irony. Years of posters here begging for a more QB friendly system so Eli can put up gaudy stats, and now longing for the days of Gilbride after 2 WCO systems. The bottom line, Eli has always been best suited for Coughlin/Gilbride. Eli needs to be able to use his brains which he doesn’t as much anymore.
Everyone overreacted to 2013 which set the wheels in motion for this mess.
I could not possibly agree more. Mara...."The offense is broken" Let's fire the head coach's OC and undermine his authority in the locker room instead of holding the "rock star" young minority GM accountable for not getting the head coach and OC players that fit the system the 2 time SB winning MVP thrives in. Yeah, that's a good plan. I mean trying to fix what worked twice in 4 years is a fucking terrible idea. Eli will be fine changing to a completely different offensive philosophy at that stage of his career. Let's draft according to this nifty height/speed chart, instead of focusing on their college production. They will develop into the the JPP of X position players. Great idea.
The racism is fucking pathetic. Are you serious with this:
Quote:
...holding the "rock star" young minority GM accountable for not getting the head.
Do you really think Reese keeping his job had anything to do with his being black? Or Coughlin losing his because he was white?
Are some of you really this fucking stupid? The owner retained a kicker involved in a domestic abuse scandal because he thought he gave him a marginally better chance at winning, do you really think he'd have kept Reese around just because he was afraid of backlash if he was fired?
He fired him two years later. Did the US achieve some sort of racial nirvana in that time that made it easier?
He fired him two years later. Did the US achieve some sort of racial nirvana in that time that made it easier?