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Bobby Hart, Ereck Flowers > Chad Wheeler

AnskyJK : 10/21/2018 9:11 pm
Everyone wants to praise Gettleman for making movies and cleaning up the lockeroom. Admittedly I can’t speak to the lockeroom but according to PFF both Hart and Flowers have higher grades (by decent margin) than Wheeler
Yea but what would the rating be for “assholeness” for Flowers?  
baadbill : 10/21/2018 9:15 pm : link
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look man  
japanhead : 10/21/2018 9:15 pm : link
neither of those guys are here. there is a reason both were cut. don't pine for them. this team might have to get worse before it gets better. reese left a steaming pile.
Are you watching MNF right now?  
BigBlueHens : 10/21/2018 9:16 pm : link
Good to know some things didn't change when it comes to Bobby Hart. Much rather have Wheeler as a liability then Hart or Flowers single-handily blowing up drives.
RE: Are you watching MNF right now?  
Del Shofner : 10/21/2018 9:19 pm : link
In comment 14138187 BigBlueHens said:
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Good to know some things didn't change when it comes to Bobby Hart. Much rather have Wheeler as a liability then Hart or Flowers single-handily blowing up drives.


Exactly. Your timing couldn't be worse with this thread - Hart just killed a Bengals drive with a ridiculous penalty.
I don't think he was any better  
jcn56 : 10/21/2018 9:19 pm : link
than those guys, but not any worse, and we had to try him out.

Not sure I'd have cut flowers, unless he's some kind of behavioral case. He stunk, but as depth he was already paid for.
Spoiled milk, poop or vomit  
TD : 10/21/2018 9:19 pm : link
Which smells best?
Who fucking cares?  
Ben in Tampa : 10/21/2018 9:20 pm : link
Wheeler is bad. Flowers is bad. Hart is bad. Do you really want any of them starting on the Giants? Does the fact that this is even a topic not clue you in to how terrible the Giants roster is?
Hart  
FJ : 10/21/2018 9:21 pm : link
On another play, Hart stood there trying to decide which of 2 guys to block, then blocked neither as they ran past him.
You lost me at  
GiantsRage2007 : 10/21/2018 9:23 pm : link
PFF
Hart - see yah  
mattlawson : 10/21/2018 9:31 pm : link
Fluker on the other hand...
RE: Hart - see yah  
Rjanyg : 10/21/2018 9:40 pm : link
In comment 14138209 mattlawson said:
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Fluker on the other hand...


I agree DG should have kept Fluker instead of signing Omameh.

Speaking of Right Tackles, Mitchell Schwartz is a very good player. I was hoping Reesecwoukd have signed him a couple years ago, instead they re-signed JPP😡
Lol @  
WillVAB : 10/21/2018 9:47 pm : link
The timing of this thread.
RE: Are you watching MNF right now?  
bradshaw44 : 10/21/2018 10:09 pm : link
In comment 14138187 BigBlueHens said:
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Good to know some things didn't change when it comes to Bobby Hart. Much rather have Wheeler as a liability then Hart or Flowers single-handily blowing up drives.


How the hell are you watching MNF right now?? And how are the Giants doing?? :-)
Maybe it shouldn’t, but it surprises me the fact those two fucking  
mfsd : 10/21/2018 10:27 pm : link
losers quit on the Giants for the last game last season doesn’t seem to bother some of you
Aside..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/21/2018 10:39 pm : link
from the typo, is this even true??

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Everyone wants to praise Gettleman for making movies


For fuck's sake, every day we get multiple threads talking about how old and senile Gettleman is lost, usually with some wiseass crack about analytics.

Do we really have threads talking about what a stellar job he's done?

Not only is your timing shitty, your awareness of the board fucking blows too.
All three of them blow chunks  
Anakim : 10/21/2018 10:43 pm : link
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RE: Aside..  
Anakim : 10/21/2018 10:44 pm : link
In comment 14138268 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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from the typo, is this even true??



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Everyone wants to praise Gettleman for making movies



For fuck's sake, every day we get multiple threads talking about how old and senile Gettleman is lost, usually with some wiseass crack about analytics.

Do we really have threads talking about what a stellar job he's done?

Not only is your timing shitty, your awareness of the board fucking blows too.


Didn't Gettleman make movies? Wasn't he the pro personnel director under Accorsi?
RE: RE: Aside..  
bradshaw44 : 10/21/2018 10:52 pm : link
In comment 14138275 Anakim said:
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In comment 14138268 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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from the typo, is this even true??



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Everyone wants to praise Gettleman for making movies



For fuck's sake, every day we get multiple threads talking about how old and senile Gettleman is lost, usually with some wiseass crack about analytics.

Do we really have threads talking about what a stellar job he's done?

Not only is your timing shitty, your awareness of the board fucking blows too.



Didn't Gettleman make movies? Wasn't he the pro personnel director under Accorsi?


Would have had to have been under Tisch. Accorsi didn’t make movies.
RE: Spoiled milk, poop or vomit  
John in No Cal : 10/21/2018 11:10 pm : link
In comment 14138193 TD said:
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Which smells best?


I don’t want this quote to get buried in Dave Gettelman’s “movies” but TD nailed it here!! 😀😀😀
PFF. The main source for  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/21/2018 11:11 pm : link
For stats and “proof” for anyr stuoid Post by people who know nothing about football.

Reese made sexy moves...  
SHO'NUFF : 10/21/2018 11:22 pm : link
DG makes sexy movies...
The comments on this thread  
D_Giants : 10/21/2018 11:31 pm : link
...are hard to follow. Fat Man’s suggestion that Gettleman has done a great job building a losing team—one that might not win snother game this year—is perplexing. It is hard to see how this year’s team, which broke the bank, is even as ‘good’ as last year’s joke of a team, and last year, injuries provided a good excuse for losing.
was flowers tried at right guard before he was cut? did flowers do  
plato : 10/22/2018 1:02 am : link
something off field or attitude wise before he was cut?
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Toth029 : 10/22/2018 6:18 am : link
The severity of this comparison is hilarious.

Wheeler was an undrafted FA. Flowers was the 9th overall pick.
Flowers and Hart had time to prove they had no upside.  
Ira : 10/22/2018 7:03 am : link
Wheeler is on his way to proving the same thing, but hasn't quite done it yet.
Sometimes  
Beer Man : 10/22/2018 7:54 am : link
it comes down to addition by subtraction. DG had to rid the locker room of the cancer
Seems easy to think about  
Bill2 : 10/22/2018 8:09 am : link
Two had substantial time to play and improve. They did not.

One is getting time to play and improve. We do not know yet.

Two did not want to be here and eventually vice versa. By all accounts one does

Two had upper body strength and bad feet. One has very good feet and so far does not have enough upper body strength.

One cost us a lot in time and money. Two did not.

Two started with a very good OLine coach and learned nothing and followed that up with learning nothing when the OLine coaching was changed

One now starts but with a very unproven and questionable OLine coach so its harder to tell where talent ends and coaching begings. Two play elsewhere.

Now lets pretend we are GM's: Who of the three currently suboptimal options do you chose?

Ok: So lets root for him to get better? Mainly because there are no other options and we personally would be even worse?


What the hell is this?  
Anakim : 10/22/2018 8:15 am : link
Hart and Flowers weren't any good while they were here and they still aren't any good. Wheeler sucks too, but who gives a shit who's worse?
Flowers measured in at  
ATL_Giants : 10/22/2018 8:22 am : link
4.1 Courics IIRC
Sometimes you have to take a step back in ability (in this case  
map7711 : 10/22/2018 8:22 am : link
Highly debatable if that was actually done) to take a step forward in attitude. And in the NFL attitude, more than a lot of other sports, goes a long way to winning games.
Wait..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/22/2018 8:25 am : link
this is perplexing??

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Fat Man’s suggestion that Gettleman has done a great job building a losing team—one that might not win snother game this year—is perplexing.


My only suggestion is that the OP is fucking wrong that the board praises Gettleman.

Where the fuck did I say anything about doing a great job building a team?

Maybe you are perplexed from having terrible reading comprehension.
PFF  
djstat : 10/22/2018 8:39 am : link
Is not the end all be all. Analytics tell part of the story.

They do not evaluate the locker-room cancer that Flowers and Hart were.
Something Is Seriously Wrong  
Percy : 10/22/2018 11:17 am : link
With the Giants' ability to tell who is a good NFL offensive lineman or is capable of becoming one. First thing that must be done is to identify who or what very small set is doing the evaluating in this department now and get rid of them. How to replace them with better people is another unknown, but it has to happen or at least be tried. The "keep the same guys" approach -- because no one can figure out what else to do --is only going to ensure getting the same lousy results.
Remains to be seen whether CW has very good feet  
Bob in Newburgh : 10/22/2018 12:35 pm : link
Major college program LT feet are not usually pro LT feet, even on highly rated prospects.

CW was not highly rated.
RE: I don't think he was any better  
Matt M. : 10/22/2018 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14138192 jcn56 said:
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than those guys, but not any worse, and we had to try him out.

Not sure I'd have cut flowers, unless he's some kind of behavioral case. He stunk, but as depth he was already paid for.
I agree about not cutting Flowers. I still think there was more going on than we know to have cut him when they did. I absolutely felt it was the right move to bench him. But, their depth is so poor that cutting him seemed questionable.
why clean up culture to the detriment of name only depth?  
Bill2 : 10/22/2018 2:50 pm : link
1) We all can imagine that it is hard to coach technique, film, tactics, plays and motivated effort and coherence.

2) we can all imagine this be ones a daunting challenge of one of the groups has an oppositional and demotivated drain on morale and attention

3) We all want good coaches for the NYG. The people who say a good coach makes a difference are the players not us and not the media


4) Having a reputation for a roster loaded with "coach killing I dont cares" is the fastest way to have ex Cleveland and Oakland coaches and not get close to the very good coaches in the league.

This is why roster turnover, if it leads to more motivated players, is a positive and not a negative.

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Bill2 : 10/22/2018 2:54 pm : link
We agree that we dont know if he has NFL feet. Defending the least good choice is not advocating he is a good choice.

We do know that no one ever thought Flowers had good feet in college. Ever.

Hart I dont remember but as you point out how good could they have been in his case as well?
Hart and Flowers both quit on the team last year  
Jay on the Island : 10/22/2018 7:28 pm : link
Did you take that into account? Bobby Hart has been awful this season for Cincinnati. Wheeler has a far better attitude and upside. Wheeler is also a better fit on the left side. Check back with us at the end of the season and I bet Wheeler not only has the higher PFF grade but he will also be the only one starting out of the three.
RE: PFF. The main source for  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/22/2018 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14138307 LauderdaleMatty said:
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For stats and “proof” for anyr stuoid Post by people who know nothing about football.

Misspelling "stupid" really takes this post to another level.
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