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NFT: Knicks vs. Bucks (Knox expected out 2-4 weeks)

DanMetroMan : 10/22/2018 9:45 am
Bucks are a very good team, potential top 3 seed This should be another L. I wonder if Fiz puts Frank on GF?

-Things are too smooth at MSG, Clarence Gaines Jr. has taken to ripping the team on twitter.
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I can't wait for the after school special,  
GiantsUA : 10/22/2018 11:17 am : link
"Rudy" Baker: You to can grow up to be a pro basketball player, just ask my friend Lance (with hair) Thomas.
Lance will shut you up  
bceagle05 : 10/22/2018 11:22 am : link
when he locks up the Greek Freak tonight. Or not.
I hope so.  
GiantsUA : 10/22/2018 11:43 am : link
Go Knicks
Hardaway Jr  
Mike in NJ : 10/22/2018 12:00 pm : link
I am excited to see what type of progress he makes under Fizdale. He made big improvements with Atlanta under coach Bud, but regressed a bit last year under the clown show that was Hornacek. I think Fizdale will have a very positive impact on his development as a player. Not expecting him to keep up the 28ppg that he is currently at, but if he can settle in around 22ppg and continue to keep up his efficiency (currently has a PER of 21.9) then he might not be as difficult to move if needed for extra cap space.
RE: Gaines pointed out that Mario's a bad defender which is true.  
DanMetroMan : 10/22/2018 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14138629 Ira said:
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I thought $8.6 was a lot to give him, but at least it's only for a year.


He's making 6.5 which is actually less than Lance Thomas.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 10/22/2018 12:04 pm : link
looking to trash Hardaway but he's been the exact same player as he was last year... he's just shooting more. Last year 42% from the field, this year 41. Last year he averaged 15 FGA per game, thus far he's averaging 23. He may well develop further with Fizdale but there is no real evidence of this by the numbers. Rebounding identical, assists identical.
so apparently msg has cut all ties with wfan  
nygiants16 : 10/22/2018 12:17 pm : link
because of maggie gray. MSG will not give wfan any access unless it is something league mandated. no more guests.

Francesa must be thrilled
RE: Not  
giants#1 : 10/22/2018 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14138922 DanMetroMan said:
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looking to trash Hardaway but he's been the exact same player as he was last year... he's just shooting more. Last year 42% from the field, this year 41. Last year he averaged 15 FGA per game, thus far he's averaging 23. He may well develop further with Fizdale but there is no real evidence of this by the numbers. Rebounding identical, assists identical.


Shooting better from 3PT and getting to the line 2x as much. SSS though
RE: so apparently msg has cut all ties with wfan  
giants#1 : 10/22/2018 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14138955 nygiants16 said:
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because of maggie gray. MSG will not give wfan any access unless it is something league mandated. no more guests.

Francesa must be thrilled


What did she do?
RE: RE: so apparently msg has cut all ties with wfan  
nygiants16 : 10/22/2018 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14138968 giants#1 said:
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In comment 14138955 nygiants16 said:


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because of maggie gray. MSG will not give wfan any access unless it is something league mandated. no more guests.

Francesa must be thrilled



What did she do?


called dolan a vile piece of trash and said she didnt give a crap if they never allowed her in the garden again...

because of his friendship with harvey...

then last week she tried to apologize...
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DanMetroMan : 10/22/2018 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14138965 giants#1 said:
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In comment 14138922 DanMetroMan said:


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looking to trash Hardaway but he's been the exact same player as he was last year... he's just shooting more. Last year 42% from the field, this year 41. Last year he averaged 15 FGA per game, thus far he's averaging 23. He may well develop further with Fizdale but there is no real evidence of this by the numbers. Rebounding identical, assists identical.



Shooting better from 3PT and getting to the line 2x as much. SSS though


Would you really give the coach credit for "development" when a player is shooting a higher % from 3 (over 3 games)? Seems like a stretch to me. He may well do well with Fizdale but as I said he's been roughly the same player, just shooting more.
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DanMetroMan : 10/22/2018 12:32 pm : link
In retaliation for a summer rant by WFAN host Maggie Gray, Dolan’s MSG has ordered all of its businesses across the country to shut down working with Entercom and banned Knicks and Rangers players, as well as MSG broadcasters and personnel, from appearing on the station, according to officials involved in the decision.

In Gray’s summer rant, she called Dolan a “vile piece of trash,” among other things. The Dolan takedown was brought on because Dolan, with his band, JD and the Straight Shots, released a song called, “I Should’ve Known,” about producer Harvey Weinstein, his longtime friend, who has been accused of raping and sexually harassing dozens of women. Gray thought it was hypocritical in light of the Garden having been found liable in the Anucha Browne Sanders sexual harassment suit in 2007.

Last week, Gray apologized on-air for the rant’s personal nature, but not for its content. It was too little, too late for the Garden.

“Entercom aired a hate-filled rant directed towards MSG, its employees and its Executive Chairman in August of this year,” Kim Kerns, an MSG spokesperson, told The Post. “They chose to take no action to remedy this until the start of this season. Only after learning they would not receive special access to players and coaches did they elect to offer an insincere half-hearted apology. We wish them no ill will. However, we decline to carry on a business relationship. We will continue to afford Entercom league-mandated access only.”
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after 3 games?  
giants#1 : 10/22/2018 12:33 pm : link
I wouldn't make any judgments on him one way or another.

If the increased volume of FTs holds up for 20+ games, I'd give Fizdale some credit for getting him to be more aggressive.
RE: after 3 games?  
nygiants16 : 10/22/2018 12:37 pm : link
In comment 14138993 giants#1 said:
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I wouldn't make any judgments on him one way or another.

If the increased volume of FTs holds up for 20+ games, I'd give Fizdale some credit for getting him to be more aggressive.


Fizdale made a comment about how he keeps reminding hardaway of the things they talked about during the summer...my guess driving to the hoop was one of those things
I don't think Hardaway needs much encouragement to shoot more  
ghost718 : 10/22/2018 12:44 pm : link
I think he's played all the nba greats in his head...and won
RE: after 3 games?  
DanMetroMan : 10/22/2018 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14138993 giants#1 said:
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I wouldn't make any judgments on him one way or another.

If the increased volume of FTs holds up for 20+ games, I'd give Fizdale some credit for getting him to be more aggressive.


My only point is yesterday someone said he continued his momentum from his time in Atl (which wasn't true) and this year he's really just shown he's shooting more. Yeah, if 20+ games in he's getting to the line more you can begin to credit Fizdale (I have major trouble crediting the HC with a player shooting a better % from 3 unless you start seeing him avoiding shots he didn't take previously).
RE: Unfortunately  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/22/2018 3:02 pm : link
In comment 14138633 ghost718 said:
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It's easy to believe that Jackson story.

I wouldn't be surprised if it got worse once they realized what Porzingis was,or what they think he'll be.

Kinda like a "We'll take it from here Phil,thanks"


Boo hoo. People didn’t love precious triangle w enough. Yeah it works best when you have some of the best players EVER playing if. Otherwise. Not so much w the shitty talent the Knicks. Jackson was a failure. He’s not the only one. But he was an arrogant ass. And Buss can go fuck herself. Pathetic twitter posts that no one believes. Good try but Phil was a mess here. Period. God forbid abhone question him. Most over rated coach ever
Classic Dolan.  
Keith : 10/22/2018 3:05 pm : link
Bans all knicks and rangers players from talkign to wfan. The more things change, the more they stay the same. He's the Dan Snyder of bball.
You can't wish harm on people. That would just be bad karma.  
Beezer : 10/22/2018 3:09 pm : link
But ... Dolan ... there ARE a lot of buses in the city.
RE: Classic Dolan.  
nygiants16 : 10/22/2018 3:21 pm : link
In comment 14139279 Keith said:
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Bans all knicks and rangers players from talkign to wfan. The more things change, the more they stay the same. He's the Dan Snyder of bball.


kind of do not blame him when slmeone calls him a vile piece of shit and says she doesnt care if she ever goes back to the garden, true or not...

mo matter what you think of him, do you blame him?
16, absolutely yes.  
Keith : 10/22/2018 3:38 pm : link
This has always been the biggest issue with Dolan. He tries to control the media. He has his employees within earshot of every interview to prevent the players from saying something that he doesn't approve of or a topic that he doesn't want them discussing. It's ridiculous to do what he's doing because he got criticized. You do not fight the media, you learn how to use them to your advantage, but big baby dolan can't do that because they hurt his wittle feelings.
Was just listening to Francesa...  
bceagle05 : 10/22/2018 3:41 pm : link
He said Dolan's PR folks should've moved on after the apology, but they decided to rub WFAN's noses in it, and it was a mistake. Held the PR folks accountable, not necessarily Dolan, as usual. He threw Maggie under the bus with some passive-aggressive digs. First time I've listened to Mike for more than five seconds since he's been back - can't stand the guy.
RE: 16, absolutely yes.  
nygiants16 : 10/22/2018 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14139379 Keith said:
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This has always been the biggest issue with Dolan. He tries to control the media. He has his employees within earshot of every interview to prevent the players from saying something that he doesn't approve of or a topic that he doesn't want them discussing. It's ridiculous to do what he's doing because he got criticized. You do not fight the media, you learn how to use them to your advantage, but big baby dolan can't do that because they hurt his wittle feelings.


Giants do the exact same thing, pat hanlon is always right there, earlier this year he almost pulled shurmur from an interview
RE: Was just listening to Francesa...  
nygiants16 : 10/22/2018 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14139384 bceagle05 said:
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He said Dolan's PR folks should've moved on after the apology, but they decided to rub WFAN's noses in it, and it was a mistake. Held the PR folks accountable, not necessarily Dolan, as usual. He threw Maggie under the bus with some passive-aggressive digs. First time I've listened to Mike for more than five seconds since he's been back - can't stand the guy.


i cant listen to him anymore either and used to listen to him every day on my ride home from work..
and keith do not get me wrong  
nygiants16 : 10/22/2018 4:07 pm : link
i am not defending dolan, i am not saying he is not a piece of shit, but if i hear someone calling me that on the radio, yeah i am going to pull the plug on them as well..

is it petty? probably, but why do business with someone who allows them to get that personal...
I can't root for either side here. FAN is horrible  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/22/2018 6:45 pm : link
and Dolan is horrible. My money's on a giant meteor hitting them both.
RE: RE: RE: Lets put it this way  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/22/2018 6:55 pm : link
In comment 14138754 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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In comment 14138742 Mike in NY said:


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In comment 14138728 LawrenceTaylor56 said:


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if the Knicks decided to honor a contract that no one else would have given Ron Baker (2 years, 9 million.. with a no trade clause essentially). If they decided to not revisit that verbal agreement they had because they are scared of Ron Bakers agent, then they are even more stupid than I thought.



It is not just about this agent's other clients. The pool of agents is not that large. If you screw with one, all will know about it. Good luck trying to get a deal done if they don't trust a verbal



This is New York. I doubt this is it how it would go down.

KDs Agent: "Hey KD, Knicks want to sign you, give you top dollar. The Mecca, the Garden, all of that. But I would advise caution because they went back on their verbal agreement with Ron fkin Baker"

KD: "Who?"

KDs Agent: "Ron Baker, shot maker, cant trader."

KD: "They did Ronnie Bakes like that? Yeah I'm signing elsewhere"

Just my opinion.


Suppose Ron Baker is represented by CAA, which covers many multiple sports agents. If you were doing business with someone and a negotiated deal went sour, why would you direct other business that way? If a player was undecided and asked for your opinion, you wouldn't nudge them away from a franchise that jerked you around in a previous negotiation?
Ten Ton for President.  
idiotsavant : 10/22/2018 7:07 pm : link
That's all.
If Phil Jackson had some sort of agreement  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/22/2018 7:23 pm : link
with Ron Baker, and Phil got fired before it came to fruition. I don’t see why the Knicks would still have to honor it. Again, this is speculation anyway. Mills gave out the horrible contract.
Bucks look fucking good  
Giantology : 10/22/2018 8:17 pm : link
Gonna be hard to keep up with them all night if they keep shooting like this
Vonleh having a nice game so far  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/22/2018 8:44 pm : link
Block on one end. Dunk on the other. Knicks keeping it close. Down 1
Dotson lucks much leaner and quicker to me.  
bceagle05 : 10/22/2018 8:46 pm : link
Noticed it right away in preseason.
LOL  
Jay on the Island : 10/22/2018 8:49 pm : link
Tim Hardaway Jr. in 9 minutes he has a -20.
Yup close  
Carl in CT : 10/22/2018 9:18 pm : link
Down 19 at half
Now within four.  
bceagle05 : 10/22/2018 9:35 pm : link
They always battle...
Battling!  
Beezer : 10/22/2018 9:56 pm : link
Rebounding is an issue.
100-100!  
Beezer : 10/22/2018 9:59 pm : link
This team is fun. Not without issues. But it’s fun.
Knicks a lot more fun to watch than the Giants right now  
mfsd : 10/22/2018 9:59 pm : link
that’s for sure. May be short on talent, but at least it’s a bunch of young kids playing hard.

RE: Battling!  
Del Shofner : 10/22/2018 10:06 pm : link
In comment 14140755 Beezer said:
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Rebounding is an issue.


They're playing great but rebounding is sure a f'in issue. Need another big man whether it's mrob or kp when he returns. Also they're missing Knox in this regard, I think.
I turned the Giants off to watch the rest of this game  
Giantology : 10/22/2018 10:07 pm : link
At least the Knicks are making things fun again.
Tied at 110 with 3:26  
latichever : 10/22/2018 10:08 pm : link
They have to learn how to win these type games.

But very watchable.

And I like the Fizdale cool specs look.
110-110, with the ball, 3 minutes left  
mfsd : 10/22/2018 10:08 pm : link
Looked like quite a Q3 run to get back in it
burke notnplayong is horrible  
nygiants16 : 10/22/2018 10:10 pm : link
no one to create, no reason he is not in the game
hardaway got lit the fuck up  
nygiants16 : 10/22/2018 10:15 pm : link
..
And the Bucks hit a bunch of 3s to put it away  
mfsd : 10/22/2018 10:16 pm : link
Worthy effort by the Knicks, considering how badly undermanned they are here
Game  
Carl in CT : 10/22/2018 10:16 pm : link
Fellas. Nice effort just not enough talent. Our time will come.
They play hard at least  
eightshamrocks : 10/22/2018 10:19 pm : link
But without Porzingus, this team has no shot. Need a healthy Porzingus in February.
Need KP a top pick  
Carl in CT : 10/22/2018 10:20 pm : link
And a Max.
Another impressive loss.  
bceagle05 : 10/22/2018 10:21 pm : link
I'm cranking up that Dotson bandwagon again - everybody hop on!
Mario  
Carl in CT : 10/22/2018 10:38 pm : link
Got to give some credit too
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