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Scouting or player development/coaching

oldutican : 10/22/2018 10:08 am
There is no doubt that terrible drafting is the cause of the Giants' ineptitude, and this post isn't an argument otherwise. But I wonder whether just picking bad players is the whole story. With so much scouting going on, is there great difference in setting up draft tiers from team to team? It would seem a fan using published mock drafts as a guide would have had more success than the Giants. I don't recall the draft junkies on BBI being harshly critical after drafts. It's often the opposite, with lots of hopeful gushing.

So how much of this failure is bad player development by coaches? I know this line of questioning leads back to the later Coughlin tenure, so some will reject it for that reason.

Some may also ask if players who failed with the Giants have succeeded with other teams. But that rarely happens, as failed players are unlikely to be given the time and opportunity over a team's own drafted players.

So I'm curious what others think.
How many bad Giants leave here  
Doomster : 10/22/2018 10:17 am : link
and turn it round with other teams?
Hardly any...  
Dnew15 : 10/22/2018 10:29 am : link
most of the guys we draft suck as soon as we pick them.
Shockingly, one of the guys that left and is having a decent season is Prince A. - but I hated that guy and was glad to see him go.
RE: How many bad Giants leave here  
oldutican : 10/22/2018 10:37 am : link
In comment 14138640 Doomster said:
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and turn it round with other teams?


Did you read the entire post. I addressed that.
How do you  
lugnut : 10/22/2018 10:41 am : link
hate Amukamara? He might have been underwhelming, but HATE?
I just didn't like him...  
Dnew15 : 10/22/2018 10:54 am : link
he wasn't the worst player the Giants ever had, but he just seemed like a weenie (I know real adult)...the whole locker room thing he was involved in - I just didn't like the guy.
Think you make good points  
TMS : 10/22/2018 10:54 am : link
but think the poor talent choices in the draft and FA after the SB years doomed the Giants. That is on the GM and his staff more than the developmental coaches. Most of them were not NFL material to begin with thats why they are out of the league now.
Reese seemed to rely on measureables a lot, regardless of round.  
Ivan15 : 10/22/2018 5:15 pm : link
To me, that suggests he expected the coaches and the player to develop.

He made a lot of picks that didn't develop and although you can say he was a lousy picker, some of them should have developed anyway.

Coughlin didn't Not play rookies and young players but he wanted them to prove themselves in practice before they played.
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