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Source: Chaim Bloom, Doug Melvin and Brodie Van Wagenen are the Mets' three GM finalists. They will conduct call-back interviews beginning tomorrow. All other candidates are out.
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Mets also said all of the finalists would speak to the media. Then... only Melvin was made available. BVW explained there was a conflict of interest but even the Mets own "rules" were followed.
...there isn't a PR person or someone who is 2018-aware (I am sorry I am not sure how to articulate this because I know fans do not run a team), but someone can't whisper in Fred and Jeff's ear and say "this hire is going to alienate our fanbase".
of this really matters if as expected all of Omar, Ricco, Ricciardi all remain. Why would it? Successful teams have 2 "involved" owners and 4 other decision makers? lol
How about Jeff's quote that it will be up the new GM if he wants to keep them, but he would like to. Just come out and say those guys are staying. No GM is cleaning house with the guys the owners are close with.
Fred is a joke but his son may be a bigger clown.The guy just oozes doushebag.
RE: He was there for a decade before those 4 drafts
Gimenez and Mauricio all look like "hits" in the sense scouts like them and they were good investments. Becerra leaving really hurts. Hopefully they have someone strong planned to replace him. We have 5 IFA in the Mets top 19 prospects over at NYFS and that doesn't include Rosario and another 2-3 should land in the top 30.
Gimenez and Mauricio all look like "hits" in the sense scouts like them and they were good investments. Becerra leaving really hurts. Hopefully they have someone strong planned to replace him. We have 5 IFA in the Mets top 19 prospects over at NYFS and that doesn't include Rosario and another 2-3 should land in the top 30.
Do you have any confidence that they do or will find someone? Does Melvin have those types of connections?
My ignorant guess is that Minaya is going to step up and take on more of Beccera's old role. I wouldn't be shocked if this was in the cards already and led to Becerra looking for opportunities elsewhere (and the fact that Boston is an elite organization too). Who knows though. Baseless speculation on my part.
he drafted Lorenzo Cain and the players that brought back Yelich (not to mention Hader).
Key isnt the players whoGOT them Yelich. But who GOT them Yelich... my favorite non Mets player for the past five years...
I was right there with you wanting Yelich bad and don't disagree that Stearns deserves the credit, but I'd hope every GM in baseball has learned that lesson to some degree, and as I said above to me the biggest thing is that whoever gets hired gets to bring in other talented, forward thinking, people with them and invest in the FO (and the analytics staff). If they are just going to keep the 3 amigos and not invest in analytics (or payroll) it doesn't matter who they hire.
Look I don't know how open minded Melvin is or isn't or what his plan would be. But his career record I believe is better than the Mets team W-L record over the same period of time, better than both Sandy/Omar, and he's almost entirely operated with a bottom 1/3 small market franchise budget. He's twice won GM of the year. By Met standards they could do a lot worse.
and Omar were in on all 3 interviews so any doubt they are being let go can pretty much be eliminated.
Ricco staying doesn't bother me bc he seems like a org guy. Omar staying is troubling bc he has the direct relationship with Fred and I think that relationship undermines the authority of the GM. You're probably right that both will still be around so if that's the case I guess the most important thing is seeing how much autonomy the new GM will have beyond those 2 to retool the org.
The easiest PR win regardless of who they hire would be to also announce new investment into analytic positions. It's such a layup even the Wilpons won't botch it. But we'll need to read between the lines whether or not it's a serious effort or dog and pony show. Just like the hire itself.
and Omar were in on all 3 interviews so any doubt they are being let go can pretty much be eliminated.
Ricco staying doesn't bother me bc he seems like a org guy. Omar staying is troubling bc he has the direct relationship with Fred and I think that relationship undermines the authority of the GM. You're probably right that both will still be around so if that's the case I guess the most important thing is seeing how much autonomy the new GM will have beyond those 2 to retool the org.
The easiest PR win regardless of who they hire would be to also announce new investment into analytic positions. It's such a layup even the Wilpons won't botch it. But we'll need to read between the lines whether or not it's a serious effort or dog and pony show. Just like the hire itself.
I mean it's the Mets but given the fact Melvin was directly recommended by Omar (gave him his first job in Texas) and he sat in on the interview... it would be absolutely stunning if Omar isn't back. Viola and Becerra were significant loses. Outside of adding to the analytics staff Melvin's first move should be firing DiSarcina and hiring a veteran BC (who doesn't have managerial aspirations).
That's probably true - if it's Melvin I'm less worried about Omar
than if it's Bloom. In no way does that make me prefer hiring Melvin over Bloom, but I think it's just a reality. And who knows, if Omar can carve out a role as the Fred whisperer to get him to spend more money like the old days or move off some of his "old school" demands maybe he can even be helpful.
IMO the success of this franchise hinges first on the Wilpons getting out of the way and second on the quality of the GM. So those are the 2 things I'm anxious to hear/read between the lines on in the upcoming announcements. Will the new guy get autonomy with the Wilpons or is it going to be some kind of clusterfuck 3 headed monster like the trade deadline? What is the new guy's vision going forward?
RE: That's probably true - if it's Melvin I'm less worried about Omar
than if it's Bloom. In no way does that make me prefer hiring Melvin over Bloom, but I think it's just a reality. And who knows, if Omar can carve out a role as the Fred whisperer to get him to spend more money like the old days or move off some of his "old school" demands maybe he can even be helpful.
IMO the success of this franchise hinges first on the Wilpons getting out of the way and second on the quality of the GM. So those are the 2 things I'm anxious to hear/read between the lines on in the upcoming announcements. Will the new guy get autonomy with the Wilpons or is it going to be some kind of clusterfuck 3 headed monster like the trade deadline? What is the new guy's vision going forward?
Well said but not happening. The real GM of this team will be Jeff Wilpon.
What kills me about Melvin is that you know what you are getting. At best your signing up for mediocrity. Swing for the fences here...
Chaim Bloom's entire statement:
"We had a productive meeting yesterday. There was a lot of baseball conversation and I enjoyed the time we spent together."
Chaim Bloom's entire statement:
"We had a productive meeting yesterday. There was a lot of baseball conversation and I enjoyed the time we spent together."
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Fuck the Mets. Fuck the Wilpons. This was a giant waste of my time. Good luck Doug Melvin. You're going to need it.
and Omar were in on all 3 interviews so any doubt they are being let go can pretty much be eliminated.
Ricco staying doesn't bother me bc he seems like a org guy. Omar staying is troubling bc he has the direct relationship with Fred and I think that relationship undermines the authority of the GM. You're probably right that both will still be around so if that's the case I guess the most important thing is seeing how much autonomy the new GM will have beyond those 2 to retool the org.
The easiest PR win regardless of who they hire would be to also announce new investment into analytic positions. It's such a layup even the Wilpons won't botch it. But we'll need to read between the lines whether or not it's a serious effort or dog and pony show. Just like the hire itself.
I mean it's the Mets but given the fact Melvin was directly recommended by Omar (gave him his first job in Texas) and he sat in on the interview... it would be absolutely stunning if Omar isn't back. Viola and Becerra were significant loses. Outside of adding to the analytics staff Melvin's first move should be firing DiSarcina and hiring a veteran BC (who doesn't have managerial aspirations).
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The biggest issue, to me, regarding the Mets' GM search, has been the absence of so many young, up-and-coming executives: McLeod, Levine, Chernoff, Cherington, Porter, Picollo, so many others. The Mets GM job should be alluring to the brightest names in baseball. It hasn't been.
RE: RE: That's probably true - if it's Melvin I'm less worried about Omar
than if it's Bloom. In no way does that make me prefer hiring Melvin over Bloom, but I think it's just a reality. And who knows, if Omar can carve out a role as the Fred whisperer to get him to spend more money like the old days or move off some of his "old school" demands maybe he can even be helpful.
IMO the success of this franchise hinges first on the Wilpons getting out of the way and second on the quality of the GM. So those are the 2 things I'm anxious to hear/read between the lines on in the upcoming announcements. Will the new guy get autonomy with the Wilpons or is it going to be some kind of clusterfuck 3 headed monster like the trade deadline? What is the new guy's vision going forward?
Well said but not happening. The real GM of this team will be Jeff Wilpon.
What kills me about Melvin is that you know what you are getting. At best your signing up for mediocrity. Swing for the fences here...
We know what we're getting yes, but the results on the field are going to be more of a function of the talent already in the org than the GM. We know we'd be getting someone who is a competent GM to figure out how to proceed with JDG, Thor, Conforto, Nimmo, etc. and if those guys (and Gimenez, Alonso, etc) pan out brighter days may be ahead. Each of these candidates have track records that inspire some level of confidence in their competence to make those decisions.
Unfortunately I agree with you that it's far more likely the Wilpons remain too involved than the opposite, and it's their impact on those types of decisions and the resources of the org that generally results in poor results on the field.
And why Ive been pounding the table about this for the past couple of years.
When the young up and comers dont want to STAY in the organization they KNOW.
You cant attract young up and comers to JOIN the organization.
probably isn't going to affect the 2019 ballclub all that much. They're doing to sign some bullpen arms, and maybe another hitter. I think any of us could take over as GM and make a few offseason moves and give the team a chance in 2019 if there's no injuries.
I'm hoping for the GM to do a lot more than be reactive and try to patch holes in the offseason though. I want to improve player development, self scouting (which the Mets have been woeful at for a decade), opposition scouting, the entire draft process, our analytics system, etc.
We'll have a shot to be a top team 10 for a year or two if things break right no matter who we hire. I'm just hoping that we can go beyond that and use this opportunity to hire a top mind in baseball and turns the reigns over for the long term.
Put shortly, the hire probably won't affect our 2019 chances that much but will dramatically impact whether the Mets are ahead or behind the competition in 2020 and beyond.
And why Ive been pounding the table about this for the past couple of years.
When the young up and comers dont want to STAY in the organization they KNOW.
You cant attract young up and comers to JOIN the organization.
Great point. This GM search isn't going to solve the problem of the Wilpons. They need to solve that problem and acknowledge the negative impact of their involvement and change that. The organization will not have sustained success until they do.
Kicking Sandy on the way out the door, hiring Omar over Sandy's reco of Cherington last year, talented coaches leaving the organization, and getting turned down by candidates they were interested in are not hopeful signs that they've learned yet.
out all of next year. Next year was probably AA and AAA year anyway, so not a huge loss if he can rebound well in 2020.
Disagree. I think he was one of the next arms up. 26 AA starts in 2018, I think he was a second half 2019 option, now obviously not. Now you are hopeful for an early season 2020 return. 15-16 months would have him back on the mound around ST 2020.
in the sense that he, Dunn, Peterson, and Kay are all in a similar stage and with a good year could have moved into the big league discussion. Hopefully 1 of the other 3 has a development leap.
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Its not just that the job isnt enticing because of ownership. Its that the Mets didnt even reach out to some of those named below, which was malpractice. The searchs point man was Omar Minaya, who last ran a team in 2010. The candidates who were interviewed reflected that.
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The biggest issue, to me, regarding the Mets' GM search, has been the absence of so many young, up-and-coming executives: McLeod, Levine, Chernoff, Cherington, Porter, Picollo, so many others. The Mets GM job should be alluring to the brightest names in baseball. It hasn't been.
comes in and wins a World Series I don't give a shit what is malpractice or who they did or didn't interview.
If the next 8 years is a repeat of the last 8 or the 8 before then yeah it will be "same old Mets"
but I truly don't give a shit of the GM is old school, old, young, a scout, an analytics guy, etc.
Dave Dombrowski is on the verge of winning another world series. He's 62. He's been "accused" of abandoning analytics and of being a pioneer with analytics, and truth is probably somewhere in between.
wins a world series. I'd be happy if Isiah Thomas became Mets GM and they won a world series. The goal is to make that as likely as possible and hiring a 66 year old who said he was too old for the job 3 years ago isn't encouraging. Don't worry though, I'll be over it by opening day (after some bitching though sorry).
BTW, Red Sox have one of the largest analytics departments in MLB and spend immense resources in that area.
comes in and wins a World Series I don't give a shit what is malpractice or who they did or didn't interview.
If the next 8 years is a repeat of the last 8 or the 8 before then yeah it will be "same old Mets"
but I truly don't give a shit of the GM is old school, old, young, a scout, an analytics guy, etc.
Dave Dombrowski is on the verge of winning another world series. He's 62. He's been "accused" of abandoning analytics and of being a pioneer with analytics, and truth is probably somewhere in between.
Can't compare the Sox and Mets. Payroll alone makes it an invalid comparison. Don't need analytics as much when your payroll is 229 million or 80... yes 80 million more than the Mets
Mets highest paid players (on paper) next year will essentially not see the field. Wright at 17, Cespedes 27, that means Jay Bruce will be the Mets only 8 figure salary player in 2019 (before FA), the Red Sox currently have 7 players making 10 million or more, 6 are on the WS roster (Pedroia is hurt).
wins a world series. I'd be happy if Isiah Thomas became Mets GM and they won a world series. The goal is to make that as likely as possible and hiring a 66 year old who said he was too old for the job 3 years ago isn't encouraging. Don't worry though, I'll be over it by opening day (after some bitching though sorry).
BTW, Red Sox have one of the largest analytics departments in MLB and spend immense resources in that area.
Tell me which analytics model led the Red Sox to shell out massive dollars to Carl Crawford or extend Josh Beckett, or to give massive coin to Hanley Ramirez or Pablo Sandoval, or Rusney Castillo.
They are far less analytics reliant under Dombrowski and analytics helped get Cherington fired (though Theo and Hoyer deserve much of that credit).
Maybe you can explain to me how a massive analytics dept helps Boston and a smaller one hurts the Mets as opposed to a massive payroll vs a smaller one.
Mets highest paid players (on paper) next year will essentially not see the field. Wright at 17, Cespedes 27, that means Jay Bruce will be the Mets only 8 figure salary player in 2019 (before FA), the Red Sox currently have 7 players making 10 million or more, 6 are on the WS roster (Pedroia is hurt).
I agree, the Mets payroll should be higher. The Mets would outdraw the Red Sox if they fielded a competitive team.
And I believe payroll and spending in general helps as much as analytics.
$ spent on payroll, FO personnel, scouting, prospects is the #1 factor
for sustained success. Bar none. If ownership committed to increasing the resources from where they currently are (bottom half of baseball) to where they should be (top 10) that would dramatically increase the odds of the next GM succeeding - regardless of who gets selected.
They are far less analytics reliant under Dombrowski and analytics helped get Cherington fired (though Theo and Hoyer deserve much of that credit).
Maybe you can explain to me how a massive analytics dept helps Boston and a smaller one hurts the Mets as opposed to a massive payroll vs a smaller one.
If the Red Sox don't rely on analytics any more then why do they have one of the biggest analytic departments in baseball? Do they just hire all of these guys and not listen to them? That doesn't make any sense to me.
Of course a massive payroll has an impact. When did I say it didnt? It would be crazy to argue otherwise. If the Wilpons aren't going to spend more, than the only hope is to hire a top GM who can get more with less.
Look at Tampa. 8 winning seasons in the past 12 years despite having a smaller payroll than the Mets and playing in the toughest division in baseball. Two of their losing seasons were only 80-82. The Mets have 7 losing seasons out of the past 9. Why continue along the same path as before?
The Mets have a chance to take one of Tampa's top guys to give us a chance to compete. Why take a step backwards?
Can you please explain to me why you think Doug Melvin is such a great hire that I should be excited about? I'm not sure why you're coming after me so hard unless you're passionate about the guy so please explain.
havn't made their mind up yet on the hire, so I suggest any Met fans get on social media and make their thoughts on Melvin vs Bloom known often and loud. The Wilpons have given in to media/fan pressure before, and it's our only hope at this point IMO.
havn't made their mind up yet on the hire, so I suggest any Met fans get on social media and make their thoughts on Melvin vs Bloom known often and loud. The Wilpons have given in to media/fan pressure before, and it's our only hope at this point IMO.
on you PJ (or anyone else). I badly want the Mets to succeed and am frustrated by how this is going.
I'm clearly too worked up about this and need to dial it down a notch and take a break from posting about it for a while.
No offense taken. I didn't even notice if you were super critical.
There is a former Braves FO guy, who is now a Mets beat guy? or something like that and he credibly questioned the reports on how many analytics people each team employs. He also said it's common for teams to outsource a lot of that ground work.
My point is the Mets are not missing out on players (in my limited opinion) because they don't have the numbers crunched the same way as the Red Sox or Yankees or whoever. It's because of less spend in free agency (domestic and international), international scouting investment, and other functions that cost money but lead more directly to player acquisition.
Even if you absolutely love the decision to hire Doug Melvin, the mere fact Omar Minaya was the "point man" in making this decision is truly absurd. No other team in baseball values Omar Minaya's opinion in that way. None.
The Mets are putting on a Futuras Estrellas Equipment Donation event Nov. 6 at their Dominican academy, which is pretty cool.
Theyll host youth teams for a day, give them equipment and show them around the facilities. Then the kids can watch Mets-Yankees, DR instrux edition.
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How about Jeff's quote that it will be up the new GM if he wants to keep them, but he would like to. Just come out and say those guys are staying. No GM is cleaning house with the guys the owners are close with.
Fred is a joke but his son may be a bigger clown.The guy just oozes doushebag.
Key isnt the players whoGOT them Yelich. But who GOT them Yelich... my favorite non Mets player for the past five years...
They lost Becerra (a major, major loss) so they continue to hemorrhage front office talent.
Annnnnndddd. BINGO.
This isnt something recent, that happened overnight...
Its like having an aging Eli, with a slew of good young QBs to groom. And over several years you just let them all leave...
Do you have any confidence that they do or will find someone? Does Melvin have those types of connections?
My ignorant guess is that Minaya is going to step up and take on more of Beccera's old role. I wouldn't be shocked if this was in the cards already and led to Becerra looking for opportunities elsewhere (and the fact that Boston is an elite organization too). Who knows though. Baseless speculation on my part.
"Mets three candidatrs all have a shot. There is no mystery candidate. They will have a new GM before meetings."
What are your thoughts on Brodie VW? Surprising to me he's even interested in the job. I'd much prefer him or Bloom over Melvin.
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he drafted Lorenzo Cain and the players that brought back Yelich (not to mention Hader).
Key isnt the players whoGOT them Yelich. But who GOT them Yelich... my favorite non Mets player for the past five years...
I was right there with you wanting Yelich bad and don't disagree that Stearns deserves the credit, but I'd hope every GM in baseball has learned that lesson to some degree, and as I said above to me the biggest thing is that whoever gets hired gets to bring in other talented, forward thinking, people with them and invest in the FO (and the analytics staff). If they are just going to keep the 3 amigos and not invest in analytics (or payroll) it doesn't matter who they hire.
Look I don't know how open minded Melvin is or isn't or what his plan would be. But his career record I believe is better than the Mets team W-L record over the same period of time, better than both Sandy/Omar, and he's almost entirely operated with a bottom 1/3 small market franchise budget. He's twice won GM of the year. By Met standards they could do a lot worse.
Ricco staying doesn't bother me bc he seems like a org guy. Omar staying is troubling bc he has the direct relationship with Fred and I think that relationship undermines the authority of the GM. You're probably right that both will still be around so if that's the case I guess the most important thing is seeing how much autonomy the new GM will have beyond those 2 to retool the org.
The easiest PR win regardless of who they hire would be to also announce new investment into analytic positions. It's such a layup even the Wilpons won't botch it. But we'll need to read between the lines whether or not it's a serious effort or dog and pony show. Just like the hire itself.
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and Omar were in on all 3 interviews so any doubt they are being let go can pretty much be eliminated.
Ricco staying doesn't bother me bc he seems like a org guy. Omar staying is troubling bc he has the direct relationship with Fred and I think that relationship undermines the authority of the GM. You're probably right that both will still be around so if that's the case I guess the most important thing is seeing how much autonomy the new GM will have beyond those 2 to retool the org.
The easiest PR win regardless of who they hire would be to also announce new investment into analytic positions. It's such a layup even the Wilpons won't botch it. But we'll need to read between the lines whether or not it's a serious effort or dog and pony show. Just like the hire itself.
I mean it's the Mets but given the fact Melvin was directly recommended by Omar (gave him his first job in Texas) and he sat in on the interview... it would be absolutely stunning if Omar isn't back. Viola and Becerra were significant loses. Outside of adding to the analytics staff Melvin's first move should be firing DiSarcina and hiring a veteran BC (who doesn't have managerial aspirations).
IMO the success of this franchise hinges first on the Wilpons getting out of the way and second on the quality of the GM. So those are the 2 things I'm anxious to hear/read between the lines on in the upcoming announcements. Will the new guy get autonomy with the Wilpons or is it going to be some kind of clusterfuck 3 headed monster like the trade deadline? What is the new guy's vision going forward?
IMO the success of this franchise hinges first on the Wilpons getting out of the way and second on the quality of the GM. So those are the 2 things I'm anxious to hear/read between the lines on in the upcoming announcements. Will the new guy get autonomy with the Wilpons or is it going to be some kind of clusterfuck 3 headed monster like the trade deadline? What is the new guy's vision going forward?
Well said but not happening. The real GM of this team will be Jeff Wilpon.
What kills me about Melvin is that you know what you are getting. At best your signing up for mediocrity. Swing for the fences here...
"We had a productive meeting yesterday. There was a lot of baseball conversation and I enjoyed the time we spent together."
"We had a productive meeting yesterday. There was a lot of baseball conversation and I enjoyed the time we spent together."
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and Omar were in on all 3 interviews so any doubt they are being let go can pretty much be eliminated.
Ricco staying doesn't bother me bc he seems like a org guy. Omar staying is troubling bc he has the direct relationship with Fred and I think that relationship undermines the authority of the GM. You're probably right that both will still be around so if that's the case I guess the most important thing is seeing how much autonomy the new GM will have beyond those 2 to retool the org.
The easiest PR win regardless of who they hire would be to also announce new investment into analytic positions. It's such a layup even the Wilpons won't botch it. But we'll need to read between the lines whether or not it's a serious effort or dog and pony show. Just like the hire itself.
I mean it's the Mets but given the fact Melvin was directly recommended by Omar (gave him his first job in Texas) and he sat in on the interview... it would be absolutely stunning if Omar isn't back. Viola and Becerra were significant loses. Outside of adding to the analytics staff Melvin's first move should be firing DiSarcina and hiring a veteran BC (who doesn't have managerial aspirations).
Would also like to see Pat Roessler replaced
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The biggest issue, to me, regarding the Mets' GM search, has been the absence of so many young, up-and-coming executives: McLeod, Levine, Chernoff, Cherington, Porter, Picollo, so many others. The Mets GM job should be alluring to the brightest names in baseball. It hasn't been.
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than if it's Bloom. In no way does that make me prefer hiring Melvin over Bloom, but I think it's just a reality. And who knows, if Omar can carve out a role as the Fred whisperer to get him to spend more money like the old days or move off some of his "old school" demands maybe he can even be helpful.
IMO the success of this franchise hinges first on the Wilpons getting out of the way and second on the quality of the GM. So those are the 2 things I'm anxious to hear/read between the lines on in the upcoming announcements. Will the new guy get autonomy with the Wilpons or is it going to be some kind of clusterfuck 3 headed monster like the trade deadline? What is the new guy's vision going forward?
Well said but not happening. The real GM of this team will be Jeff Wilpon.
What kills me about Melvin is that you know what you are getting. At best your signing up for mediocrity. Swing for the fences here...
We know what we're getting yes, but the results on the field are going to be more of a function of the talent already in the org than the GM. We know we'd be getting someone who is a competent GM to figure out how to proceed with JDG, Thor, Conforto, Nimmo, etc. and if those guys (and Gimenez, Alonso, etc) pan out brighter days may be ahead. Each of these candidates have track records that inspire some level of confidence in their competence to make those decisions.
Unfortunately I agree with you that it's far more likely the Wilpons remain too involved than the opposite, and it's their impact on those types of decisions and the resources of the org that generally results in poor results on the field.
When the young up and comers dont want to STAY in the organization they KNOW.
You cant attract young up and comers to JOIN the organization.
I'm hoping for the GM to do a lot more than be reactive and try to patch holes in the offseason though. I want to improve player development, self scouting (which the Mets have been woeful at for a decade), opposition scouting, the entire draft process, our analytics system, etc.
We'll have a shot to be a top team 10 for a year or two if things break right no matter who we hire. I'm just hoping that we can go beyond that and use this opportunity to hire a top mind in baseball and turns the reigns over for the long term.
Put shortly, the hire probably won't affect our 2019 chances that much but will dramatically impact whether the Mets are ahead or behind the competition in 2020 and beyond.
When the young up and comers dont want to STAY in the organization they KNOW.
You cant attract young up and comers to JOIN the organization.
Great point. This GM search isn't going to solve the problem of the Wilpons. They need to solve that problem and acknowledge the negative impact of their involvement and change that. The organization will not have sustained success until they do.
Kicking Sandy on the way out the door, hiring Omar over Sandy's reco of Cherington last year, talented coaches leaving the organization, and getting turned down by candidates they were interested in are not hopeful signs that they've learned yet.
Disagree. I think he was one of the next arms up. 26 AA starts in 2018, I think he was a second half 2019 option, now obviously not. Now you are hopeful for an early season 2020 return. 15-16 months would have him back on the mound around ST 2020.
Most important part of the job for a Mets GM.
Most important part of the job for a Mets GM.
Handle it how exactly?
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The biggest issue, to me, regarding the Mets' GM search, has been the absence of so many young, up-and-coming executives: McLeod, Levine, Chernoff, Cherington, Porter, Picollo, so many others. The Mets GM job should be alluring to the brightest names in baseball. It hasn't been.
If the next 8 years is a repeat of the last 8 or the 8 before then yeah it will be "same old Mets"
but I truly don't give a shit of the GM is old school, old, young, a scout, an analytics guy, etc.
Dave Dombrowski is on the verge of winning another world series. He's 62. He's been "accused" of abandoning analytics and of being a pioneer with analytics, and truth is probably somewhere in between.
BTW, Red Sox have one of the largest analytics departments in MLB and spend immense resources in that area.
If the next 8 years is a repeat of the last 8 or the 8 before then yeah it will be "same old Mets"
but I truly don't give a shit of the GM is old school, old, young, a scout, an analytics guy, etc.
Dave Dombrowski is on the verge of winning another world series. He's 62. He's been "accused" of abandoning analytics and of being a pioneer with analytics, and truth is probably somewhere in between.
Can't compare the Sox and Mets. Payroll alone makes it an invalid comparison. Don't need analytics as much when your payroll is 229 million or 80... yes 80 million more than the Mets
BTW, Red Sox have one of the largest analytics departments in MLB and spend immense resources in that area.
Tell me which analytics model led the Red Sox to shell out massive dollars to Carl Crawford or extend Josh Beckett, or to give massive coin to Hanley Ramirez or Pablo Sandoval, or Rusney Castillo.
They are far less analytics reliant under Dombrowski and analytics helped get Cherington fired (though Theo and Hoyer deserve much of that credit).
Maybe you can explain to me how a massive analytics dept helps Boston and a smaller one hurts the Mets as opposed to a massive payroll vs a smaller one.
I agree, the Mets payroll should be higher. The Mets would outdraw the Red Sox if they fielded a competitive team.
And I believe payroll and spending in general helps as much as analytics.
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They are far less analytics reliant under Dombrowski and analytics helped get Cherington fired (though Theo and Hoyer deserve much of that credit).
Maybe you can explain to me how a massive analytics dept helps Boston and a smaller one hurts the Mets as opposed to a massive payroll vs a smaller one.
If the Red Sox don't rely on analytics any more then why do they have one of the biggest analytic departments in baseball? Do they just hire all of these guys and not listen to them? That doesn't make any sense to me.
Of course a massive payroll has an impact. When did I say it didnt? It would be crazy to argue otherwise. If the Wilpons aren't going to spend more, than the only hope is to hire a top GM who can get more with less.
Look at Tampa. 8 winning seasons in the past 12 years despite having a smaller payroll than the Mets and playing in the toughest division in baseball. Two of their losing seasons were only 80-82. The Mets have 7 losing seasons out of the past 9. Why continue along the same path as before?
The Mets have a chance to take one of Tampa's top guys to give us a chance to compete. Why take a step backwards?
Can you please explain to me why you think Doug Melvin is such a great hire that I should be excited about? I'm not sure why you're coming after me so hard unless you're passionate about the guy so please explain.
I'm clearly too worked up about this and need to dial it down a notch and take a break from posting about it for a while.
hear ye, HEAR YE
I'm clearly too worked up about this and need to dial it down a notch and take a break from posting about it for a while.
No offense taken. I didn't even notice if you were super critical.
There is a former Braves FO guy, who is now a Mets beat guy? or something like that and he credibly questioned the reports on how many analytics people each team employs. He also said it's common for teams to outsource a lot of that ground work.
My point is the Mets are not missing out on players (in my limited opinion) because they don't have the numbers crunched the same way as the Red Sox or Yankees or whoever. It's because of less spend in free agency (domestic and international), international scouting investment, and other functions that cost money but lead more directly to player acquisition.
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The Mets are putting on a Futuras Estrellas Equipment Donation event Nov. 6 at their Dominican academy, which is pretty cool.
Theyll host youth teams for a day, give them equipment and show them around the facilities. Then the kids can watch Mets-Yankees, DR instrux edition.
4:27 PM - 25 Oct 2018
Tim Healey
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The Mets GM choice is down to Chaim Bloom and Brodie Van Wagenen, a source says, confirming @JonHeymans tweet.
Doug Melvin will not be the Mets next GM.