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Source: Chaim Bloom, Doug Melvin and Brodie Van Wagenen are the Mets' three GM finalists. They will conduct call-back interviews beginning tomorrow. All other candidates are out.
It's easy. The team already decided on Melvin, and they are throwing off the scent by having three completely different candidates. This way, when they do hire Melvin, they can say they did their due diligence in pursuing candidates from different backgrounds.
1 - disagree with Laws assertion that having different style finalists is a troubling sign. To me it actually shows some openmindedness and if these were the 3 best candidates Im glad they didnt force fit a type - especially knowing it would have been forced by Fred/Jeff. I wouldnt want any owner of a team I root for to force fit a type vs best candidate. Giants had a few diff types of head coaches as finalists.
2 - out of all the candidates these seem like the strongest of the types. Melvin by far the least scary old school candidate and Bloom the most exciting young candidate. Could they end up going with some combo of the 2?
Now not to get negative - the biggest hurdle in this entire process is still to come, in the form of whether or not the new guy actually gets the clean house or whether they are forced to keep the 3 amigos, especially Omar.
1 - disagree with Laws assertion that having different style finalists is a troubling sign. To me it actually shows some openmindedness and if these were the 3 best candidates Im glad they didnt force fit a type - especially knowing it would have been forced by Fred/Jeff. I wouldnt want any owner of a team I root for to force fit a type vs best candidate. Giants had a few diff types of head coaches as finalists.
2 - out of all the candidates these seem like the strongest of the types. Melvin by far the least scary old school candidate and Bloom the most exciting young candidate. Could they end up going with some combo of the 2?
Now not to get negative - the biggest hurdle in this entire process is still to come, in the form of whether or not the new guy actually gets the clean house or whether they are forced to keep the 3 amigos, especially Omar.
Bloom isn't leaving TB to be anything less than "the man" so no I don't see any way both Melvin and Bloom are the hire. They already have 2 meddling owners, Omar, Ricco, Ricciardi.
Doug Melvin admitted the game had passed him by THREE YEARS AGO, so I think it's perfectly fine to say he's old school. Link - ( New Window )
its so mets that he is a finalist. I guess there thought process is with the wilpons, omar, ricco, and JP they probably believe Melvin can be the face of a terrible run front office.
The man literally said the job is too much for him and he is a finalist for our job...just think about that for 2 seconds to sum up the disaster that is the mets organization.
of the three Finalist - which of the candidates do you think WANTS it the most?
BVW probably wants it most because this seems like a "dream" job situation. No way will he be making more money as Mets gm vs. sports agent. Melvin probably wants the easy paycheck.
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I have talked to several people connected with the organization who believe Fred Wilpon will go the conservative route and pick Melvin, because the Mets' last "outside the box" pick, Mickey Callaway, has backfired somewhat.
How about this report from Puma? Are you kidding me?
I have talked to several people connected with the organization who believe Fred Wilpon will go the conservative route and pick Melvin, because the Mets' last "outside the box" pick, Mickey Callaway, has backfired somewhat.
And man that article from Melvin is damning. And what about his record is impressive? Only the Mets...
as if manager job has anything to do with the GM position. Two completely different jobs, two different skill-sets, and how much was Mickey doing what the FO wanted him to do anyway.
Mets could hire Melvin. He admitted himself that the game had passed him by years ago and then stepped aside. Now, he's going to step in and try to take over full time in NY? That doesn't make any sense.
is an 81 year old man. For all he knows, this could be his last hire. If it is, he probably is thinking, if i'm going to lose, i'm going to lose on my terms rather than have regrets. Unfortunately for the fans, it's clear as day that this is short-sighted. I actually don't disagree with Fred completely on the analytics part--just because I think it is so saturated at this point in baseball -- there is not that much more that can be discerned than is already available in public data. But I want Van Wagenan because I think relationships are going to be a big part of the next wave of baseball. Which is why I like Omar scouting in the Dominican, he's a great relationship guy. I think the data is all already there. It will probably be Melvin because he is the safe choice. But he is going to be a complete YES man which f'ing sucks.
Fred has given no reason not to believe that story
That he doesn't want analytics people because he doesn't know how to talk to them. So it will be Melvin so then in March he can stand around behind the cage and tell Melvin how player X reminds him of someone from the 1952 Brooklyn Dodgers.
Mets could hire Melvin. He admitted himself that the game had passed him by years ago and then stepped aside. Now, he's going to step in and try to take over full time in NY? That doesn't make any sense.
because if Minaya is helping run the show (which we know he is and the Wilpons love him). Why not pick a for show older GM so that people can still be hands on like Minaya behind the scenes and possibly eventually take over.
If Bloom (a widely regarded future star GM in the making) took the job he would want full control or why wouldn't he wait for a position (which he would eventually get) with full control.
This screams mets though, they have had Melvins old a** pegged before the GM search even started.
Is the epitome of incompetence. Only they could have taken a WS team of 2015 and turn it into dogshit in less than 2 years. So yes they will fuck this up to by picking Melvin.
Chaim Bloom is "outside the box"? Was the Rays director of baseball operations 7 years ago senior vice president of baseball operations the past 3. How in the world is this similar to Callaway? #Mets
Chaim Bloom is "outside the box"? Was the Rays director of baseball operations 7 years ago senior vice president of baseball operations the past 3. How in the world is this similar to Callaway? #Mets
would love someone from the Rays. They are cheaper than the Mets and more successful. Would seem to be the type of guy that the cheap/broke ass Wilpons would covet.
Bloom would be a first-time gm. In that way he'd be a similar hire to any first-time person in any new role that has a different set of responsibilities and an increased level of responsibility (like Callaway last year). There are risks that go along with any rookie that can be lesser with experienced hires. Experienced hires come with a different set of risks because most who are job hunting are usually doing so for a reason.
None of that has anything to do with inside the box vs. outside the box baseball philosophy, which doesn't even seem to be part of the current commentary.
Bloom would be a first-time gm. In that way he'd be a similar hire to any first-time person in any new role that has a different set of responsibilities and an increased level of responsibility (like Callaway last year). There are risks that go along with any rookie that can be lesser with experienced hires. Experienced hires come with a different set of risks because most who are job hunting are usually doing so for a reason.
None of that has anything to do with inside the box vs. outside the box baseball philosophy, which doesn't even seem to be part of the current commentary.
The FO already includes 2 former major league GM's, it's silly to think Bloom would have trouble in this role given this "support"
RE: RE: The writers are misusing the phrase inside the box
Bloom would be a first-time gm. In that way he'd be a similar hire to any first-time person in any new role that has a different set of responsibilities and an increased level of responsibility (like Callaway last year). There are risks that go along with any rookie that can be lesser with experienced hires. Experienced hires come with a different set of risks because most who are job hunting are usually doing so for a reason.
None of that has anything to do with inside the box vs. outside the box baseball philosophy, which doesn't even seem to be part of the current commentary.
The FO already includes 2 former major league GM's, it's silly to think Bloom would have trouble in this role given this "support"
The 2 former GM's are counterproductive. Managing up has been the single biggest challenge in this organization due to meddlesome owners and biggest area of concern hiring a first time GM. It was a challenge for Sandy and he's got as much gravitas as any executive in the game. That's not to say I wouldn't hire Bloom, he's my favorite remaining candidate, but it's just a fact that there's more risk for the mets hiring a first time exec bc their management hierarchy is so unstable.
I have regular dialogue with all 30 teams," Van Wagenen said in a statement. "These conversations share a central theme; how can I help make the team better?"
"In my role as an agent, my solution is to create opportunities for players to be successful both on and off the field. By creating partnerships between players and teams, the interests of all parties can be aligned. If the players are able to reach their peak potential, the fans will be rewarded with a competitive team that can contend for championships year in and year out. The Clubs benefit with compelling, sustainable and profitable entertainment franchises; and the players are rewarded with a platform to realize their childhood dreams while receiving compensation consistent with their tremendous talents."
"My conversations with the Mets continue to be organic. I believe baseball is better when the Mets are competitive and successful. That success is better for the fans, players, and the economy of the sport. As Jeff and Fred continue their search for a new head of baseball operations, the players, fans and entire organization will be motivated to have a leader with the skills and commitment to win. If the Wilpon's believe I am that person, we will have that conversation."
I still wouldn't be excited by the hire though. His comments three years ago about being too old for the job are really damning. I wonder if Bloom would be willing to come on with Melvin as an heir apparent type.
I still wouldn't be excited by the hire though. His comments three years ago about being too old for the job are really damning. I wonder if Bloom would be willing to come on with Melvin as an heir apparent type.
He has that without moving and Bloom is going to be a sought after target until he gets a GM job. I could see the Mets trying it with someone like BVW if they are gunshy about hiring him without any front office experience
I still wouldn't be excited by the hire though. His comments three years ago about being too old for the job are really damning. I wonder if Bloom would be willing to come on with Melvin as an heir apparent type.
He almost certainly would not. He's one step away from the GM role in TB and has interviewed for now 3 GM's spots.
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Doug Melvin needed to use this conference call to showcase that hes not a dinosaur. So, he said his first stat guy was a pecan farmer and then name-dropped that bastion of forward thinking, John Smoltz. I cant decide if this was folksy charm or just a total misread.
Melvin on the Mets' interest in him: "If there were other opportunities - and I'm not talking to anybody else - but if there were other opportunities I probably would not have been as interested."
2:19 PM - 23 Oct 2018
keithlaw
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i am unclear what sort of process produces three finalists as utterly different as this troika
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It's easy. The team already decided on Melvin, and they are throwing off the scent by having three completely different candidates. This way, when they do hire Melvin, they can say they did their due diligence in pursuing candidates from different backgrounds.
Textbook Mets.
2 - out of all the candidates these seem like the strongest of the types. Melvin by far the least scary old school candidate and Bloom the most exciting young candidate. Could they end up going with some combo of the 2?
Now not to get negative - the biggest hurdle in this entire process is still to come, in the form of whether or not the new guy actually gets the clean house or whether they are forced to keep the 3 amigos, especially Omar.
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2 - out of all the candidates these seem like the strongest of the types. Melvin by far the least scary old school candidate and Bloom the most exciting young candidate. Could they end up going with some combo of the 2?
Now not to get negative - the biggest hurdle in this entire process is still to come, in the form of whether or not the new guy actually gets the clean house or whether they are forced to keep the 3 amigos, especially Omar.
Bloom isn't leaving TB to be anything less than "the man" so no I don't see any way both Melvin and Bloom are the hire. They already have 2 meddling owners, Omar, Ricco, Ricciardi.
60% Melvin
30% Brodie
10% Bloom
its so mets that he is a finalist. I guess there thought process is with the wilpons, omar, ricco, and JP they probably believe Melvin can be the face of a terrible run front office.
The man literally said the job is too much for him and he is a finalist for our job...just think about that for 2 seconds to sum up the disaster that is the mets organization.
60% Melvin
30% Brodie
10% Bloom
Sounds about right.
BVW probably wants it most because this seems like a "dream" job situation. No way will he be making more money as Mets gm vs. sports agent. Melvin probably wants the easy paycheck.
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I'm saying
60% Melvin
30% Brodie
10% Bloom
Sounds about right.
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I have talked to several people connected with the organization who believe Fred Wilpon will go the conservative route and pick Melvin, because the Mets' last "outside the box" pick, Mickey Callaway, has backfired somewhat.
I have talked to several people connected with the organization who believe Fred Wilpon will go the conservative route and pick Melvin, because the Mets' last "outside the box" pick, Mickey Callaway, has backfired somewhat.
And man that article from Melvin is damning. And what about his record is impressive? Only the Mets...
because if Minaya is helping run the show (which we know he is and the Wilpons love him). Why not pick a for show older GM so that people can still be hands on like Minaya behind the scenes and possibly eventually take over.
If Bloom (a widely regarded future star GM in the making) took the job he would want full control or why wouldn't he wait for a position (which he would eventually get) with full control.
This screams mets though, they have had Melvins old a** pegged before the GM search even started.
He's just super young I guess...
71%Chaim Bloom
17%Doug Melvin
12%Brodie Van Wagenen
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Bloom is also way more in the box than Doug Melvin in 2019
None of that has anything to do with inside the box vs. outside the box baseball philosophy, which doesn't even seem to be part of the current commentary.
I posted it in the other Mets thread.
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And no mention of the Marlins signing the Mesas?
I posted it in the other Mets thread.
My bad, missed it. Thanks
None of that has anything to do with inside the box vs. outside the box baseball philosophy, which doesn't even seem to be part of the current commentary.
The FO already includes 2 former major league GM's, it's silly to think Bloom would have trouble in this role given this "support"
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Bloom would be a first-time gm. In that way he'd be a similar hire to any first-time person in any new role that has a different set of responsibilities and an increased level of responsibility (like Callaway last year). There are risks that go along with any rookie that can be lesser with experienced hires. Experienced hires come with a different set of risks because most who are job hunting are usually doing so for a reason.
None of that has anything to do with inside the box vs. outside the box baseball philosophy, which doesn't even seem to be part of the current commentary.
The FO already includes 2 former major league GM's, it's silly to think Bloom would have trouble in this role given this "support"
The 2 former GM's are counterproductive. Managing up has been the single biggest challenge in this organization due to meddlesome owners and biggest area of concern hiring a first time GM. It was a challenge for Sandy and he's got as much gravitas as any executive in the game. That's not to say I wouldn't hire Bloom, he's my favorite remaining candidate, but it's just a fact that there's more risk for the mets hiring a first time exec bc their management hierarchy is so unstable.
"In my role as an agent, my solution is to create opportunities for players to be successful both on and off the field. By creating partnerships between players and teams, the interests of all parties can be aligned. If the players are able to reach their peak potential, the fans will be rewarded with a competitive team that can contend for championships year in and year out. The Clubs benefit with compelling, sustainable and profitable entertainment franchises; and the players are rewarded with a platform to realize their childhood dreams while receiving compensation consistent with their tremendous talents."
"My conversations with the Mets continue to be organic. I believe baseball is better when the Mets are competitive and successful. That success is better for the fans, players, and the economy of the sport. As Jeff and Fred continue their search for a new head of baseball operations, the players, fans and entire organization will be motivated to have a leader with the skills and commitment to win. If the Wilpon's believe I am that person, we will have that conversation."
I still wouldn't be excited by the hire though. His comments three years ago about being too old for the job are really damning. I wonder if Bloom would be willing to come on with Melvin as an heir apparent type.
I still wouldn't be excited by the hire though. His comments three years ago about being too old for the job are really damning. I wonder if Bloom would be willing to come on with Melvin as an heir apparent type.
He has that without moving and Bloom is going to be a sought after target until he gets a GM job. I could see the Mets trying it with someone like BVW if they are gunshy about hiring him without any front office experience
I still wouldn't be excited by the hire though. His comments three years ago about being too old for the job are really damning. I wonder if Bloom would be willing to come on with Melvin as an heir apparent type.
He almost certainly would not. He's one step away from the GM role in TB and has interviewed for now 3 GM's spots.
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Doug Melvin needed to use this conference call to showcase that hes not a dinosaur. So, he said his first stat guy was a pecan farmer and then name-dropped that bastion of forward thinking, John Smoltz. I cant decide if this was folksy charm or just a total misread.
WTF.
Mike Puma
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Melvin on the Mets' interest in him: "If there were other opportunities - and I'm not talking to anybody else - but if there were other opportunities I probably would not have been as interested."
2:19 PM - 23 Oct 2018