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Source: Chaim Bloom, Doug Melvin and Brodie Van Wagenen are the Mets' three GM finalists. They will conduct call-back interviews beginning tomorrow. All other candidates are out.
...there isn't a PR person or someone who is 2018-aware (I am sorry I am not sure how to articulate this because I know fans do not run a team), but someone can't whisper in Fred and Jeff's ear and say "this hire is going to alienate our fanbase".
also be noted multiple teams wanted to speak to Stearns (including the Mets), the Giants were denied permission. Nobody else spoke to Melvin so one can only assume....
This the best guy they could get? I wont rehash all the negatives but he's a 66 year old man who admitted he longer had the energy for the job 3 years ago!
This falls all on the Wilpons. Either the top guys don't want to work for these clowns or they don't know how to identify them. But its on them.
This should be a very attractive job. Talent on the ML roster, decent farm system and its NYC. We know what Melvin is. How can they not find anyone better? What a joke.
Just wait until they resign Reyes, bring back Familia and sign some other bargain bin player...
he drafted Lorenzo Cain and the players that brought back Yelich (not to mention Hader).
And bonus $/going over slot absolutely is a huge factor in draft results. Moreso before the new rules but that was the majority of his time as GM. I don't know what their numbers were in that regard but my guess is if the spending tracked as low as their payroll spending it was towards the bottom of the league.
was by far the best interview and had the best vision for the Mets of all the dozen candidates they interviewed. He really must've blown them away to overcome his awful drafting in MIL and him stepping down due to age in MIL (he was forced out/fired if you read MIL sources) 3 years ago.
These must've been great interviews! The only other explanation is that the rest of the interviews were a sham and Wilpon wanted Melvin all along.
It's hard to comprehend how the Mets knew they needed
he drafted Lorenzo Cain and the players that brought back Yelich (not to mention Hader).
And bonus $/going over slot absolutely is a huge factor in draft results. Moreso before the new rules but that was the majority of his time as GM. I don't know what their numbers were in that regard but my guess is if the spending tracked as low as their payroll spending it was towards the bottom of the league.
So you don't think he should be judged on his most recent work where HE admitted he was probably a bit long in the tooth for the job? Where were teams clamoring to hire him c'mon. THis is a retread in every possible way, Bud Selig approved the hire, sounds familiar.
Melvin on stepping down: My gut feeling tells me its time to give Mark (Attanasio) the opportunity to look over the next generation of general managers.
Now he's ready to rock! and the Brewers are now a contender with a ... next generation GM.
"According to Adam McCalvy of MLB.com, the Brewers will target younger candidates with knowledge of analytics. That would all but rule out recently fired Detroit Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski. While the Brewers will surely look at outside hires, the next GM could already have a position with the team. Ray Montgomery is currently the scouting director for Milwaukee and is someone who is highly respected in Major League Baseball. At 46 years old, he would fit Attanasios youth requirement, and his knowledge of not only scouting but analytics as well is impressive.
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and criticize GM's for the draft, does anyone know how involved the average GM actually is in making the draft decisions?
Is it like the NFL where they are highly involved or is it less than that?
Either way, the way the MLB draft and getting from the minors to the majors works if Melvin is the GM and he drafts high school kids he could be dead before we have a solid evaluation of his draft(s).
His FA signings I think are far more immediate and relevant to the current core than any drafts he presides over.
And I don't know if those are good or bad, only pointing out focusing on his drafts is less relevant to the success of this current core.
and criticize GM's for the draft, does anyone know how involved the average GM actually is in making the draft decisions?
Is it like the NFL where they are highly involved or is it less than that?
Either way, the way the MLB draft and getting from the minors to the majors works if Melvin is the GM and he drafts high school kids he could be dead before we have a solid evaluation of his draft(s).
His FA signings I think are far more immediate and relevant to the current core than any drafts he presides over.
And I don't know if those are good or bad, only pointing out focusing on his drafts is less relevant to the success of this current core.
Omar was heavily involved in the draft. Sandy off-loaded much of the draft stuff to DePo while he was here. Their more recent "setup" is less clear. They lost Becerra (a major, major loss) so they continue to hemorrhage front office talent.
of this really matters if as expected all of Omar, Ricco, Ricciardi all remain. Why would it? Successful teams have 2 "involved" owners and 4 other decision makers? lol
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Mets also said all of the finalists would speak to the media. Then... only Melvin was made available. BVW explained there was a conflict of interest but even the Mets own "rules" were followed.
...there isn't a PR person or someone who is 2018-aware (I am sorry I am not sure how to articulate this because I know fans do not run a team), but someone can't whisper in Fred and Jeff's ear and say "this hire is going to alienate our fanbase".
of this really matters if as expected all of Omar, Ricco, Ricciardi all remain. Why would it? Successful teams have 2 "involved" owners and 4 other decision makers? lol
How about Jeff's quote that it will be up the new GM if he wants to keep them, but he would like to. Just come out and say those guys are staying. No GM is cleaning house with the guys the owners are close with.
Fred is a joke but his son may be a bigger clown.The guy just oozes doushebag.
RE: He was there for a decade before those 4 drafts
Gimenez and Mauricio all look like "hits" in the sense scouts like them and they were good investments. Becerra leaving really hurts. Hopefully they have someone strong planned to replace him. We have 5 IFA in the Mets top 19 prospects over at NYFS and that doesn't include Rosario and another 2-3 should land in the top 30.
Gimenez and Mauricio all look like "hits" in the sense scouts like them and they were good investments. Becerra leaving really hurts. Hopefully they have someone strong planned to replace him. We have 5 IFA in the Mets top 19 prospects over at NYFS and that doesn't include Rosario and another 2-3 should land in the top 30.
Do you have any confidence that they do or will find someone? Does Melvin have those types of connections?
My ignorant guess is that Minaya is going to step up and take on more of Beccera's old role. I wouldn't be shocked if this was in the cards already and led to Becerra looking for opportunities elsewhere (and the fact that Boston is an elite organization too). Who knows though. Baseless speculation on my part.
he drafted Lorenzo Cain and the players that brought back Yelich (not to mention Hader).
Key isnt the players whoGOT them Yelich. But who GOT them Yelich... my favorite non Mets player for the past five years...
I was right there with you wanting Yelich bad and don't disagree that Stearns deserves the credit, but I'd hope every GM in baseball has learned that lesson to some degree, and as I said above to me the biggest thing is that whoever gets hired gets to bring in other talented, forward thinking, people with them and invest in the FO (and the analytics staff). If they are just going to keep the 3 amigos and not invest in analytics (or payroll) it doesn't matter who they hire.
Look I don't know how open minded Melvin is or isn't or what his plan would be. But his career record I believe is better than the Mets team W-L record over the same period of time, better than both Sandy/Omar, and he's almost entirely operated with a bottom 1/3 small market franchise budget. He's twice won GM of the year. By Met standards they could do a lot worse.
and Omar were in on all 3 interviews so any doubt they are being let go can pretty much be eliminated.
Ricco staying doesn't bother me bc he seems like a org guy. Omar staying is troubling bc he has the direct relationship with Fred and I think that relationship undermines the authority of the GM. You're probably right that both will still be around so if that's the case I guess the most important thing is seeing how much autonomy the new GM will have beyond those 2 to retool the org.
The easiest PR win regardless of who they hire would be to also announce new investment into analytic positions. It's such a layup even the Wilpons won't botch it. But we'll need to read between the lines whether or not it's a serious effort or dog and pony show. Just like the hire itself.
and Omar were in on all 3 interviews so any doubt they are being let go can pretty much be eliminated.
Ricco staying doesn't bother me bc he seems like a org guy. Omar staying is troubling bc he has the direct relationship with Fred and I think that relationship undermines the authority of the GM. You're probably right that both will still be around so if that's the case I guess the most important thing is seeing how much autonomy the new GM will have beyond those 2 to retool the org.
The easiest PR win regardless of who they hire would be to also announce new investment into analytic positions. It's such a layup even the Wilpons won't botch it. But we'll need to read between the lines whether or not it's a serious effort or dog and pony show. Just like the hire itself.
I mean it's the Mets but given the fact Melvin was directly recommended by Omar (gave him his first job in Texas) and he sat in on the interview... it would be absolutely stunning if Omar isn't back. Viola and Becerra were significant loses. Outside of adding to the analytics staff Melvin's first move should be firing DiSarcina and hiring a veteran BC (who doesn't have managerial aspirations).
That's probably true - if it's Melvin I'm less worried about Omar
than if it's Bloom. In no way does that make me prefer hiring Melvin over Bloom, but I think it's just a reality. And who knows, if Omar can carve out a role as the Fred whisperer to get him to spend more money like the old days or move off some of his "old school" demands maybe he can even be helpful.
IMO the success of this franchise hinges first on the Wilpons getting out of the way and second on the quality of the GM. So those are the 2 things I'm anxious to hear/read between the lines on in the upcoming announcements. Will the new guy get autonomy with the Wilpons or is it going to be some kind of clusterfuck 3 headed monster like the trade deadline? What is the new guy's vision going forward?
RE: That's probably true - if it's Melvin I'm less worried about Omar
than if it's Bloom. In no way does that make me prefer hiring Melvin over Bloom, but I think it's just a reality. And who knows, if Omar can carve out a role as the Fred whisperer to get him to spend more money like the old days or move off some of his "old school" demands maybe he can even be helpful.
IMO the success of this franchise hinges first on the Wilpons getting out of the way and second on the quality of the GM. So those are the 2 things I'm anxious to hear/read between the lines on in the upcoming announcements. Will the new guy get autonomy with the Wilpons or is it going to be some kind of clusterfuck 3 headed monster like the trade deadline? What is the new guy's vision going forward?
Well said but not happening. The real GM of this team will be Jeff Wilpon.
What kills me about Melvin is that you know what you are getting. At best your signing up for mediocrity. Swing for the fences here...
Chaim Bloom's entire statement:
"We had a productive meeting yesterday. There was a lot of baseball conversation and I enjoyed the time we spent together."
Chaim Bloom's entire statement:
"We had a productive meeting yesterday. There was a lot of baseball conversation and I enjoyed the time we spent together."
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Fuck the Mets. Fuck the Wilpons. This was a giant waste of my time. Good luck Doug Melvin. You're going to need it.
and Omar were in on all 3 interviews so any doubt they are being let go can pretty much be eliminated.
Ricco staying doesn't bother me bc he seems like a org guy. Omar staying is troubling bc he has the direct relationship with Fred and I think that relationship undermines the authority of the GM. You're probably right that both will still be around so if that's the case I guess the most important thing is seeing how much autonomy the new GM will have beyond those 2 to retool the org.
The easiest PR win regardless of who they hire would be to also announce new investment into analytic positions. It's such a layup even the Wilpons won't botch it. But we'll need to read between the lines whether or not it's a serious effort or dog and pony show. Just like the hire itself.
I mean it's the Mets but given the fact Melvin was directly recommended by Omar (gave him his first job in Texas) and he sat in on the interview... it would be absolutely stunning if Omar isn't back. Viola and Becerra were significant loses. Outside of adding to the analytics staff Melvin's first move should be firing DiSarcina and hiring a veteran BC (who doesn't have managerial aspirations).
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The biggest issue, to me, regarding the Mets' GM search, has been the absence of so many young, up-and-coming executives: McLeod, Levine, Chernoff, Cherington, Porter, Picollo, so many others. The Mets GM job should be alluring to the brightest names in baseball. It hasn't been.
RE: RE: That's probably true - if it's Melvin I'm less worried about Omar
than if it's Bloom. In no way does that make me prefer hiring Melvin over Bloom, but I think it's just a reality. And who knows, if Omar can carve out a role as the Fred whisperer to get him to spend more money like the old days or move off some of his "old school" demands maybe he can even be helpful.
IMO the success of this franchise hinges first on the Wilpons getting out of the way and second on the quality of the GM. So those are the 2 things I'm anxious to hear/read between the lines on in the upcoming announcements. Will the new guy get autonomy with the Wilpons or is it going to be some kind of clusterfuck 3 headed monster like the trade deadline? What is the new guy's vision going forward?
Well said but not happening. The real GM of this team will be Jeff Wilpon.
What kills me about Melvin is that you know what you are getting. At best your signing up for mediocrity. Swing for the fences here...
We know what we're getting yes, but the results on the field are going to be more of a function of the talent already in the org than the GM. We know we'd be getting someone who is a competent GM to figure out how to proceed with JDG, Thor, Conforto, Nimmo, etc. and if those guys (and Gimenez, Alonso, etc) pan out brighter days may be ahead. Each of these candidates have track records that inspire some level of confidence in their competence to make those decisions.
Unfortunately I agree with you that it's far more likely the Wilpons remain too involved than the opposite, and it's their impact on those types of decisions and the resources of the org that generally results in poor results on the field.
And why Ive been pounding the table about this for the past couple of years.
When the young up and comers dont want to STAY in the organization they KNOW.
You cant attract young up and comers to JOIN the organization.
probably isn't going to affect the 2019 ballclub all that much. They're doing to sign some bullpen arms, and maybe another hitter. I think any of us could take over as GM and make a few offseason moves and give the team a chance in 2019 if there's no injuries.
I'm hoping for the GM to do a lot more than be reactive and try to patch holes in the offseason though. I want to improve player development, self scouting (which the Mets have been woeful at for a decade), opposition scouting, the entire draft process, our analytics system, etc.
We'll have a shot to be a top team 10 for a year or two if things break right no matter who we hire. I'm just hoping that we can go beyond that and use this opportunity to hire a top mind in baseball and turns the reigns over for the long term.
Put shortly, the hire probably won't affect our 2019 chances that much but will dramatically impact whether the Mets are ahead or behind the competition in 2020 and beyond.
And why Ive been pounding the table about this for the past couple of years.
When the young up and comers dont want to STAY in the organization they KNOW.
You cant attract young up and comers to JOIN the organization.
Great point. This GM search isn't going to solve the problem of the Wilpons. They need to solve that problem and acknowledge the negative impact of their involvement and change that. The organization will not have sustained success until they do.
Kicking Sandy on the way out the door, hiring Omar over Sandy's reco of Cherington last year, talented coaches leaving the organization, and getting turned down by candidates they were interested in are not hopeful signs that they've learned yet.
out all of next year. Next year was probably AA and AAA year anyway, so not a huge loss if he can rebound well in 2020.
Disagree. I think he was one of the next arms up. 26 AA starts in 2018, I think he was a second half 2019 option, now obviously not. Now you are hopeful for an early season 2020 return. 15-16 months would have him back on the mound around ST 2020.
in the sense that he, Dunn, Peterson, and Kay are all in a similar stage and with a good year could have moved into the big league discussion. Hopefully 1 of the other 3 has a development leap.
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Its not just that the job isnt enticing because of ownership. Its that the Mets didnt even reach out to some of those named below, which was malpractice. The searchs point man was Omar Minaya, who last ran a team in 2010. The candidates who were interviewed reflected that.
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The biggest issue, to me, regarding the Mets' GM search, has been the absence of so many young, up-and-coming executives: McLeod, Levine, Chernoff, Cherington, Porter, Picollo, so many others. The Mets GM job should be alluring to the brightest names in baseball. It hasn't been.
2011 Fulmer 9.5 bWAR, Nimmo 5.3 bWAR, Lugo 4.8 bWAR, Gsellman 1.0 bWAR, Bradford 1.0 bWAR
2012 Plawecki 2.8 bWAR, Koch 1.6 bWAR
2013 McNeil 2.4 bWAR, Bashlor like Hanhold has appeared in games, we shall see
2014 Conforto 9.1 bWAR
This falls all on the Wilpons. Either the top guys don't want to work for these clowns or they don't know how to identify them. But its on them.
This should be a very attractive job. Talent on the ML roster, decent farm system and its NYC. We know what Melvin is. How can they not find anyone better? What a joke.
Just wait until they resign Reyes, bring back Familia and sign some other bargain bin player...
And bonus $/going over slot absolutely is a huge factor in draft results. Moreso before the new rules but that was the majority of his time as GM. I don't know what their numbers were in that regard but my guess is if the spending tracked as low as their payroll spending it was towards the bottom of the league.
These must've been great interviews! The only other explanation is that the rest of the interviews were a sham and Wilpon wanted Melvin all along.
And bonus $/going over slot absolutely is a huge factor in draft results. Moreso before the new rules but that was the majority of his time as GM. I don't know what their numbers were in that regard but my guess is if the spending tracked as low as their payroll spending it was towards the bottom of the league.
So you don't think he should be judged on his most recent work where HE admitted he was probably a bit long in the tooth for the job? Where were teams clamoring to hire him c'mon. THis is a retread in every possible way, Bud Selig approved the hire, sounds familiar.
Now he's ready to rock! and the Brewers are now a contender with a ... next generation GM.
"According to Adam McCalvy of MLB.com, the Brewers will target younger candidates with knowledge of analytics. That would all but rule out recently fired Detroit Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski. While the Brewers will surely look at outside hires, the next GM could already have a position with the team. Ray Montgomery is currently the scouting director for Milwaukee and is someone who is highly respected in Major League Baseball. At 46 years old, he would fit Attanasios youth requirement, and his knowledge of not only scouting but analytics as well is impressive.
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Is it like the NFL where they are highly involved or is it less than that?
Either way, the way the MLB draft and getting from the minors to the majors works if Melvin is the GM and he drafts high school kids he could be dead before we have a solid evaluation of his draft(s).
His FA signings I think are far more immediate and relevant to the current core than any drafts he presides over.
And I don't know if those are good or bad, only pointing out focusing on his drafts is less relevant to the success of this current core.
Is it like the NFL where they are highly involved or is it less than that?
Either way, the way the MLB draft and getting from the minors to the majors works if Melvin is the GM and he drafts high school kids he could be dead before we have a solid evaluation of his draft(s).
His FA signings I think are far more immediate and relevant to the current core than any drafts he presides over.
And I don't know if those are good or bad, only pointing out focusing on his drafts is less relevant to the success of this current core.
Omar was heavily involved in the draft. Sandy off-loaded much of the draft stuff to DePo while he was here. Their more recent "setup" is less clear. They lost Becerra (a major, major loss) so they continue to hemorrhage front office talent.
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How about Jeff's quote that it will be up the new GM if he wants to keep them, but he would like to. Just come out and say those guys are staying. No GM is cleaning house with the guys the owners are close with.
Fred is a joke but his son may be a bigger clown.The guy just oozes doushebag.
Key isnt the players whoGOT them Yelich. But who GOT them Yelich... my favorite non Mets player for the past five years...
They lost Becerra (a major, major loss) so they continue to hemorrhage front office talent.
Annnnnndddd. BINGO.
This isnt something recent, that happened overnight...
Its like having an aging Eli, with a slew of good young QBs to groom. And over several years you just let them all leave...
Do you have any confidence that they do or will find someone? Does Melvin have those types of connections?
My ignorant guess is that Minaya is going to step up and take on more of Beccera's old role. I wouldn't be shocked if this was in the cards already and led to Becerra looking for opportunities elsewhere (and the fact that Boston is an elite organization too). Who knows though. Baseless speculation on my part.
"Mets three candidatrs all have a shot. There is no mystery candidate. They will have a new GM before meetings."
What are your thoughts on Brodie VW? Surprising to me he's even interested in the job. I'd much prefer him or Bloom over Melvin.
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he drafted Lorenzo Cain and the players that brought back Yelich (not to mention Hader).
Key isnt the players whoGOT them Yelich. But who GOT them Yelich... my favorite non Mets player for the past five years...
I was right there with you wanting Yelich bad and don't disagree that Stearns deserves the credit, but I'd hope every GM in baseball has learned that lesson to some degree, and as I said above to me the biggest thing is that whoever gets hired gets to bring in other talented, forward thinking, people with them and invest in the FO (and the analytics staff). If they are just going to keep the 3 amigos and not invest in analytics (or payroll) it doesn't matter who they hire.
Look I don't know how open minded Melvin is or isn't or what his plan would be. But his career record I believe is better than the Mets team W-L record over the same period of time, better than both Sandy/Omar, and he's almost entirely operated with a bottom 1/3 small market franchise budget. He's twice won GM of the year. By Met standards they could do a lot worse.
Ricco staying doesn't bother me bc he seems like a org guy. Omar staying is troubling bc he has the direct relationship with Fred and I think that relationship undermines the authority of the GM. You're probably right that both will still be around so if that's the case I guess the most important thing is seeing how much autonomy the new GM will have beyond those 2 to retool the org.
The easiest PR win regardless of who they hire would be to also announce new investment into analytic positions. It's such a layup even the Wilpons won't botch it. But we'll need to read between the lines whether or not it's a serious effort or dog and pony show. Just like the hire itself.
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and Omar were in on all 3 interviews so any doubt they are being let go can pretty much be eliminated.
Ricco staying doesn't bother me bc he seems like a org guy. Omar staying is troubling bc he has the direct relationship with Fred and I think that relationship undermines the authority of the GM. You're probably right that both will still be around so if that's the case I guess the most important thing is seeing how much autonomy the new GM will have beyond those 2 to retool the org.
The easiest PR win regardless of who they hire would be to also announce new investment into analytic positions. It's such a layup even the Wilpons won't botch it. But we'll need to read between the lines whether or not it's a serious effort or dog and pony show. Just like the hire itself.
I mean it's the Mets but given the fact Melvin was directly recommended by Omar (gave him his first job in Texas) and he sat in on the interview... it would be absolutely stunning if Omar isn't back. Viola and Becerra were significant loses. Outside of adding to the analytics staff Melvin's first move should be firing DiSarcina and hiring a veteran BC (who doesn't have managerial aspirations).
IMO the success of this franchise hinges first on the Wilpons getting out of the way and second on the quality of the GM. So those are the 2 things I'm anxious to hear/read between the lines on in the upcoming announcements. Will the new guy get autonomy with the Wilpons or is it going to be some kind of clusterfuck 3 headed monster like the trade deadline? What is the new guy's vision going forward?
IMO the success of this franchise hinges first on the Wilpons getting out of the way and second on the quality of the GM. So those are the 2 things I'm anxious to hear/read between the lines on in the upcoming announcements. Will the new guy get autonomy with the Wilpons or is it going to be some kind of clusterfuck 3 headed monster like the trade deadline? What is the new guy's vision going forward?
Well said but not happening. The real GM of this team will be Jeff Wilpon.
What kills me about Melvin is that you know what you are getting. At best your signing up for mediocrity. Swing for the fences here...
"We had a productive meeting yesterday. There was a lot of baseball conversation and I enjoyed the time we spent together."
"We had a productive meeting yesterday. There was a lot of baseball conversation and I enjoyed the time we spent together."
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and Omar were in on all 3 interviews so any doubt they are being let go can pretty much be eliminated.
Ricco staying doesn't bother me bc he seems like a org guy. Omar staying is troubling bc he has the direct relationship with Fred and I think that relationship undermines the authority of the GM. You're probably right that both will still be around so if that's the case I guess the most important thing is seeing how much autonomy the new GM will have beyond those 2 to retool the org.
The easiest PR win regardless of who they hire would be to also announce new investment into analytic positions. It's such a layup even the Wilpons won't botch it. But we'll need to read between the lines whether or not it's a serious effort or dog and pony show. Just like the hire itself.
I mean it's the Mets but given the fact Melvin was directly recommended by Omar (gave him his first job in Texas) and he sat in on the interview... it would be absolutely stunning if Omar isn't back. Viola and Becerra were significant loses. Outside of adding to the analytics staff Melvin's first move should be firing DiSarcina and hiring a veteran BC (who doesn't have managerial aspirations).
Would also like to see Pat Roessler replaced
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The biggest issue, to me, regarding the Mets' GM search, has been the absence of so many young, up-and-coming executives: McLeod, Levine, Chernoff, Cherington, Porter, Picollo, so many others. The Mets GM job should be alluring to the brightest names in baseball. It hasn't been.
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than if it's Bloom. In no way does that make me prefer hiring Melvin over Bloom, but I think it's just a reality. And who knows, if Omar can carve out a role as the Fred whisperer to get him to spend more money like the old days or move off some of his "old school" demands maybe he can even be helpful.
IMO the success of this franchise hinges first on the Wilpons getting out of the way and second on the quality of the GM. So those are the 2 things I'm anxious to hear/read between the lines on in the upcoming announcements. Will the new guy get autonomy with the Wilpons or is it going to be some kind of clusterfuck 3 headed monster like the trade deadline? What is the new guy's vision going forward?
Well said but not happening. The real GM of this team will be Jeff Wilpon.
What kills me about Melvin is that you know what you are getting. At best your signing up for mediocrity. Swing for the fences here...
We know what we're getting yes, but the results on the field are going to be more of a function of the talent already in the org than the GM. We know we'd be getting someone who is a competent GM to figure out how to proceed with JDG, Thor, Conforto, Nimmo, etc. and if those guys (and Gimenez, Alonso, etc) pan out brighter days may be ahead. Each of these candidates have track records that inspire some level of confidence in their competence to make those decisions.
Unfortunately I agree with you that it's far more likely the Wilpons remain too involved than the opposite, and it's their impact on those types of decisions and the resources of the org that generally results in poor results on the field.
When the young up and comers dont want to STAY in the organization they KNOW.
You cant attract young up and comers to JOIN the organization.
I'm hoping for the GM to do a lot more than be reactive and try to patch holes in the offseason though. I want to improve player development, self scouting (which the Mets have been woeful at for a decade), opposition scouting, the entire draft process, our analytics system, etc.
We'll have a shot to be a top team 10 for a year or two if things break right no matter who we hire. I'm just hoping that we can go beyond that and use this opportunity to hire a top mind in baseball and turns the reigns over for the long term.
Put shortly, the hire probably won't affect our 2019 chances that much but will dramatically impact whether the Mets are ahead or behind the competition in 2020 and beyond.
When the young up and comers dont want to STAY in the organization they KNOW.
You cant attract young up and comers to JOIN the organization.
Great point. This GM search isn't going to solve the problem of the Wilpons. They need to solve that problem and acknowledge the negative impact of their involvement and change that. The organization will not have sustained success until they do.
Kicking Sandy on the way out the door, hiring Omar over Sandy's reco of Cherington last year, talented coaches leaving the organization, and getting turned down by candidates they were interested in are not hopeful signs that they've learned yet.
Disagree. I think he was one of the next arms up. 26 AA starts in 2018, I think he was a second half 2019 option, now obviously not. Now you are hopeful for an early season 2020 return. 15-16 months would have him back on the mound around ST 2020.
Most important part of the job for a Mets GM.
Most important part of the job for a Mets GM.
Handle it how exactly?
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Its not just that the job isnt enticing because of ownership. Its that the Mets didnt even reach out to some of those named below, which was malpractice. The searchs point man was Omar Minaya, who last ran a team in 2010. The candidates who were interviewed reflected that.
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The biggest issue, to me, regarding the Mets' GM search, has been the absence of so many young, up-and-coming executives: McLeod, Levine, Chernoff, Cherington, Porter, Picollo, so many others. The Mets GM job should be alluring to the brightest names in baseball. It hasn't been.