I don’t think Carr is awful, but he’s certainly not worth that horrible contract. Would like a guy like him on a rookie deal but not that 2nd contract.
To say Carr is intriguing, isn't really "love"... Â
You can make the argument about asset allocation or trying to transition to a QB on a rookie deal, but to flatly say "Carr stinks" seems illogical.
In 2016, Carr was terrific. He got hurt and has yet to truly bounce back to that level, but that does include this season which was broken for the Raiders basically before they broke training camp by trading away one of the best players in the league.
Not sure why this wouldn't be one of many options considered in trying to get Eli's successor in here.
but still agree this is an overpay. What's best is it sets up Prescott for a good enough season to warrant him getting serious QB money. All things considered, a good move for us.
at WR. So there was an added premium to pay here. You have to factor that into the assessment because that sort of skews the market.
Not sure what's happened to Cooper, but the talent is there. He has 31 catches this year and 21 have come in two games. A change of scenery might do the trick.
And my guess is Gruden views WRs like Belichick - lots of receiving talent out there, so don't over-draft or over-pay the position.
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Didn't say names. The name I thought of was Foles.
As much as I'd love to see it for everyone involved, I don't think the Jags would be interested in Eli and I can't imagine his contract would make it easy.
that team was overrated, awful last year, and looking at cap hell. They're now loaded with assets and could be a bigtime up and coming young team when they move to Vegas.
Next move could be Carr to Jacksonville for a 1st and a 3rd.
Didn't say names. The name I thought of was Foles.
As much as I'd love to see it for everyone involved, I don't think the Jags would be interested in Eli and I can't imagine his contract would make it easy.
I can totally see Foles. Because the Eagles have a long history of fleecing other franchises for their crappy backup QBs.
Major house cleaning there. I'm shocked, because Cooper can't catch. Why not just resign Dez Bryant? At least you have a big, strong guy who can't catch and get open instead of a small weaker guy who can't catch and get open and you get to keep your first rounder...
that team was overrated, awful last year, and looking at cap hell. They're now loaded with assets and could be a bigtime up and coming young team when they move to Vegas.
Next move could be Carr to Jacksonville for a 1st and a 3rd.
Losonf 13-15 games this year and next and loading up On draft picks is what you love? Ok.
He's out of touch. There's no guarantee he will ever draft another player as good as Mack. Team is barren. Let's see in 3 years before we're the genuis is. I'd suggest he fails.
For all those who want to tout Gruden and some genius he inherited the team He won with. He had mutliple HOF guy's on the D. Guys he had nothing to with bringing in. Guy is a myth
that team was overrated, awful last year, and looking at cap hell. They're now loaded with assets and could be a bigtime up and coming young team when they move to Vegas.
Next move could be Carr to Jacksonville for a 1st and a 3rd.
Losonf 13-15 games this year and next and loading up On draft picks is what you love? Ok.
He's out of touch. There's no guarantee he will ever draft another player as good as Mack. Team is barren. Let's see in 3 years before we're the genuis is. I'd suggest he fails.
For all those who want to tout Gruden and some genius he inherited the team He won with. He had mutliple HOF guy's on the D. Guys he had nothing to with bringing in. Guy is a myth
If Oakland is in purge mode I would seriously look into grabbing Carr. Yes he has a large contract but he can play in this league at an ultra high level.
Ultra high level? Based on what? One good year ? That’s some high level...
Cooper puts Dallas over the edge to make it to the playoffs this year? God, I couldn't take Eagles/Cowboys back to back champs while the Giants suck so badly.
Cooper puts Dallas over the edge to make it to the playoffs this year? God, I couldn't take Eagles/Cowboys back to back champs while the Giants suck so badly.
Michael Irvin said that Dallas was just Amari Cooper away from going to the superbowl. I can't wait to see them fail this year. Unfortunately for them Prescott is still their QB.
I am worried that if Justin Herbert enters the draft Â
The Raiders are going to take him. They will trade up if they have to and they certainly have the ammunition to. Those 2020 1st round picks are going to be very valuable with a strong QB class.
If Oakland is in purge mode I would seriously look into grabbing Carr. Yes he has a large contract but he can play in this league at an ultra high level.
Ultra high level? Based on what? One good year ? That’s some high level...
He probably meant an ultra high level in the Midwest gay scene.
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Gross. I’d rather just play Lauretta, Carr stinks.
I'm not getting all the Carr love either
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Gross. I’d rather just play Lauretta, Carr stinks.
I agree with this.
He would be insane to do that. He is going to go #1 this year.
Next year he will be up against probably Tua, and he's going to go #1 no matter what.
Not saying the Giants should do it, but also not saying they shouldn't.
But I'd go no higher than a second.
I'd have to think a deal such as that would occur offseason though.
Not saying the Giants should do it, but also not saying they shouldn't.
But I'd go no higher than a second.
I'd have to think a deal such as that would occur offseason though.
Losing a second round pick plus the benefit of a QB on a rookie deal would be asinine.
In 2016, Carr was terrific. He got hurt and has yet to truly bounce back to that level, but that does include this season which was broken for the Raiders basically before they broke training camp by trading away one of the best players in the league.
Not sure why this wouldn't be one of many options considered in trying to get Eli's successor in here.
Yup. Whether you agree with what Gruden is doing or not, this is what rebuilding looks like.
The Giants are not rebuilding, they're reloading. Reloading for another 3 win season.
Bingo. If Cooper turns it around in Dallas, that has to be a massive flashing warning light over Derek Carr.
Sam Bradford? Bridgewater?
Not sure what's happened to Cooper, but the talent is there. He has 31 catches this year and 21 have come in two games. A change of scenery might do the trick.
And my guess is Gruden views WRs like Belichick - lots of receiving talent out there, so don't over-draft or over-pay the position.
Yes. That is definitely rebuilding. People can like or dislike what the giants are doing, but it is not rebuilding
As much as I'd love to see it for everyone involved, I don't think the Jags would be interested in Eli and I can't imagine his contract would make it easy.
Next move could be Carr to Jacksonville for a 1st and a 3rd.
very exciting
As much as I'd love to see it for everyone involved, I don't think the Jags would be interested in Eli and I can't imagine his contract would make it easy.
I can totally see Foles. Because the Eagles have a long history of fleecing other franchises for their crappy backup QBs.
That wasn't really "news". It was one of those "according to sources it's likely that..." guesses.
No one really knows at this point, but it would be very hard for any QB prospect to pass on this year's draft if they were going to be a top 3 pick.
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Not saying the Giants should do it, but also not saying they shouldn't.
But I'd go no higher than a second.
I'd have to think a deal such as that would occur offseason though.
Losing a second round pick plus the benefit of a QB on a rookie deal would be asinine.
Unless, of course, the rookie QB sucks and sets you back..............
There are maybe three guys on our roster I'd protect, maybe four. And none of them are named Odell.
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.....and a change of scenery could do him good.
Not saying the Giants should do it, but also not saying they shouldn't.
But I'd go no higher than a second.
I'd have to think a deal such as that would occur offseason though.
Losing a second round pick plus the benefit of a QB on a rookie deal would be asinine.
Unless, of course, the rookie QB sucks and sets you back..............
can't really be set back any further
Next move could be Carr to Jacksonville for a 1st and a 3rd.
Losonf 13-15 games this year and next and loading up On draft picks is what you love? Ok.
He's out of touch. There's no guarantee he will ever draft another player as good as Mack. Team is barren. Let's see in 3 years before we're the genuis is. I'd suggest he fails.
For all those who want to tout Gruden and some genius he inherited the team He won with. He had mutliple HOF guy's on the D. Guys he had nothing to with bringing in. Guy is a myth
"The Cowboys dropped to 3-4 on Sunday with a heartbreaking 20-17 loss to the Redskins that ended with a missed field goal as time expired."
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that team was overrated, awful last year, and looking at cap hell. They're now loaded with assets and could be a bigtime up and coming young team when they move to Vegas.
Next move could be Carr to Jacksonville for a 1st and a 3rd.
Losonf 13-15 games this year and next and loading up On draft picks is what you love? Ok.
He's out of touch. There's no guarantee he will ever draft another player as good as Mack. Team is barren. Let's see in 3 years before we're the genuis is. I'd suggest he fails.
For all those who want to tout Gruden and some genius he inherited the team He won with. He had mutliple HOF guy's on the D. Guys he had nothing to with bringing in. Guy is a myth
Yeah, but the team he beat was the team he built.
Ultra high level? Based on what? One good year ? That’s some high level...
No thanks on Carr. Ultra high level? Uh... no.
Dak is still garbage.
I don't know about that Oakland and SF are pretty awful too.
The Niners are awful. Only way NYG will get #1 pick is if they lose to them in November.
That said - they did last year, so...
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The Niners are awful. Only way NYG will get #1 pick is if they lose to them in November.
That said - they did last year, so...
If Herbert enters the draft then I would rather see SF have the #1 pick than Oakland. SF definitely won't take a QB and may be willing to trade down.
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If Oakland is in purge mode I would seriously look into grabbing Carr. Yes he has a large contract but he can play in this league at an ultra high level.
Ultra high level? Based on what? One good year ? That’s some high level...
He probably meant an ultra high level in the Midwest gay scene.