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jlukes : 10/22/2018 3:11 pm
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RE: RE: Carr for Vernon  
montanagiant : 10/22/2018 3:22 pm : link
In comment 14139326 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14139323 Tom from LI said:


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straight up



Gross. I’d rather just play Lauretta, Carr stinks.

I'm not getting all the Carr love either
RE: RE: Carr for Vernon  
Go Terps : 10/22/2018 3:22 pm : link
In comment 14139326 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14139323 Tom from LI said:


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straight up



Gross. I’d rather just play Lauretta, Carr stinks.


I agree with this.
What an awful panic move from Dallas.  
Gmen88 : 10/22/2018 3:23 pm : link
I am loving this lol
RE: Over the weekend ...  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/22/2018 3:23 pm : link
In comment 14139324 Beezer said:
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news that Herbert will likely stay in school.


He would be insane to do that. He is going to go #1 this year.

Next year he will be up against probably Tua, and he's going to go #1 no matter what.
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Banks : 10/22/2018 3:23 pm : link
cooper has not played well in a long time. I can't believe they got a first for him
I like Carr's talent....  
BillKo : 10/22/2018 3:24 pm : link
.....and a change of scenery could do him good.

Not saying the Giants should do it, but also not saying they shouldn't.

But I'd go no higher than a second.

I'd have to think a deal such as that would occur offseason though.
RE: I like Carr's talent....  
ajr2456 : 10/22/2018 3:26 pm : link
In comment 14139337 BillKo said:
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.....and a change of scenery could do him good.

Not saying the Giants should do it, but also not saying they shouldn't.

But I'd go no higher than a second.

I'd have to think a deal such as that would occur offseason though.


Losing a second round pick plus the benefit of a QB on a rookie deal would be asinine.
And before anyone gets mad  
UConn4523 : 10/22/2018 3:26 pm : link
I don’t think Carr is awful, but he’s certainly not worth that horrible contract. Would like a guy like him on a rookie deal but not that 2nd contract.
To say Carr is intriguing, isn't really "love"...  
Chris684 : 10/22/2018 3:27 pm : link
You can make the argument about asset allocation or trying to transition to a QB on a rookie deal, but to flatly say "Carr stinks" seems illogical.

In 2016, Carr was terrific. He got hurt and has yet to truly bounce back to that level, but that does include this season which was broken for the Raiders basically before they broke training camp by trading away one of the best players in the league.

Not sure why this wouldn't be one of many options considered in trying to get Eli's successor in here.
Thats a hard pass for me on Carr  
Essex : 10/22/2018 3:27 pm : link
low YPA, they criticize him for being a checkdown qb, and he is not very mobile. I think we can do better.
I think more highly of Cooper than you guys  
jcn56 : 10/22/2018 3:30 pm : link
but still agree this is an overpay. What's best is it sets up Prescott for a good enough season to warrant him getting serious QB money. All things considered, a good move for us.
What is Cooper's injury status?  
Chris684 : 10/22/2018 3:32 pm : link
Two weeks ago he was concussed on an illegal hit.
This tells me Dallas is committing to Dak..  
Sean : 10/22/2018 3:32 pm : link
Good news for the Giants.
Oh and to everyone saying the Giants are rebuilding..  
Sean : 10/22/2018 3:33 pm : link
No, the Raiders are rebuilding.
RE: Oh and to everyone saying the Giants are rebuilding..  
Go Terps : 10/22/2018 3:35 pm : link
In comment 14139360 Sean said:
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No, the Raiders are rebuilding.


Yup. Whether you agree with what Gruden is doing or not, this is what rebuilding looks like.
RE: Oh and to everyone saying the Giants are rebuilding..  
RottenApple : 10/22/2018 3:36 pm : link
In comment 14139360 Sean said:
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No, the Raiders are rebuilding.


The Giants are not rebuilding, they're reloading. Reloading for another 3 win season.
RE: .  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/22/2018 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14139335 Banks said:
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cooper has not played well in a long time. I can't believe they got a first for him


Bingo. If Cooper turns it around in Dallas, that has to be a massive flashing warning light over Derek Carr.
Francesa just said  
Chris684 : 10/22/2018 3:44 pm : link
Jax is pursuing a vet QB. Didn't say Eli but said he has heard they've turned their attention to acquring a veteran.
RE: Francesa just said  
jlukes : 10/22/2018 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14139392 Chris684 said:
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Jax is pursuing a vet QB. Didn't say Eli but said he has heard they've turned their attention to acquring a veteran.


Sam Bradford? Bridgewater?
Well, Dallas definitely needed to upgrade...  
bw in dc : 10/22/2018 3:47 pm : link
at WR. So there was an added premium to pay here. You have to factor that into the assessment because that sort of skews the market.

Not sure what's happened to Cooper, but the talent is there. He has 31 catches this year and 21 have come in two games. A change of scenery might do the trick.

And my guess is Gruden views WRs like Belichick - lots of receiving talent out there, so don't over-draft or over-pay the position.

RE: Oh and to everyone saying the Giants are rebuilding..  
Jerry in DC : 10/22/2018 3:47 pm : link
In comment 14139360 Sean said:
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No, the Raiders are rebuilding.


Yes. That is definitely rebuilding. People can like or dislike what the giants are doing, but it is not rebuilding
lukes  
Chris684 : 10/22/2018 3:49 pm : link
Didn't say names. The name I thought of was Foles.

As much as I'd love to see it for everyone involved, I don't think the Jags would be interested in Eli and I can't imagine his contract would make it easy.
Love what Gruden is doing in Oakland  
Metnut : 10/22/2018 3:56 pm : link
that team was overrated, awful last year, and looking at cap hell. They're now loaded with assets and could be a bigtime up and coming young team when they move to Vegas.

Next move could be Carr to Jacksonville for a 1st and a 3rd.
Jerry gets his pocket picked  
jeff57 : 10/22/2018 4:00 pm : link
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Gruden is getting the team ready to hit the ground running  
gtt350 : 10/22/2018 4:01 pm : link
when they move to Vegas.
very exciting
RE: lukes  
Mr. Bungle : 10/22/2018 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14139407 Chris684 said:
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Didn't say names. The name I thought of was Foles.

As much as I'd love to see it for everyone involved, I don't think the Jags would be interested in Eli and I can't imagine his contract would make it easy.

I can totally see Foles. Because the Eagles have a long history of fleecing other franchises for their crappy backup QBs.
RE: Over the weekend ...  
Jim in Tampa : 10/22/2018 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14139324 Beezer said:
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news that Herbert will likely stay in school.

That wasn't really "news". It was one of those "according to sources it's likely that..." guesses.

No one really knows at this point, but it would be very hard for any QB prospect to pass on this year's draft if they were going to be a top 3 pick.
Wow this is a teardown  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/22/2018 4:16 pm : link
no one on the Raiders must feel safe right now.
RE: RE: I like Carr's talent....  
BillKo : 10/22/2018 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14139342 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14139337 BillKo said:


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.....and a change of scenery could do him good.

Not saying the Giants should do it, but also not saying they shouldn't.

But I'd go no higher than a second.

I'd have to think a deal such as that would occur offseason though.



Losing a second round pick plus the benefit of a QB on a rookie deal would be asinine.


Unless, of course, the rookie QB sucks and sets you back..............
This is what we ought to be doing  
George : 10/22/2018 4:30 pm : link
Out with literally everyone we don't think will be on the team in 2020, in with multiple draft picks.

There are maybe three guys on our roster I'd protect, maybe four. And none of them are named Odell.
Excellent news  
arniefez : 10/22/2018 4:31 pm : link
hopefully the next move is an OBJ contract for Dak.
Oakland is really stockpiling first round picks.  
GiantFanInTX : 10/22/2018 4:36 pm : link
Major house cleaning there. I'm shocked, because Cooper can't catch. Why not just resign Dez Bryant? At least you have a big, strong guy who can't catch and get open instead of a small weaker guy who can't catch and get open and you get to keep your first rounder...
RE: RE: RE: I like Carr's talent....  
ron mexico : 10/22/2018 4:38 pm : link
In comment 14139486 BillKo said:
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In comment 14139342 ajr2456 said:


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In comment 14139337 BillKo said:


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.....and a change of scenery could do him good.

Not saying the Giants should do it, but also not saying they shouldn't.

But I'd go no higher than a second.

I'd have to think a deal such as that would occur offseason though.



Losing a second round pick plus the benefit of a QB on a rookie deal would be asinine.



Unless, of course, the rookie QB sucks and sets you back..............


can't really be set back any further
RE: Love what Gruden is doing in Oakland  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/22/2018 4:49 pm : link
In comment 14139420 Metnut said:
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that team was overrated, awful last year, and looking at cap hell. They're now loaded with assets and could be a bigtime up and coming young team when they move to Vegas.

Next move could be Carr to Jacksonville for a 1st and a 3rd.


Losonf 13-15 games this year and next and loading up On draft picks is what you love? Ok.

He's out of touch. There's no guarantee he will ever draft another player as good as Mack. Team is barren. Let's see in 3 years before we're the genuis is. I'd suggest he fails.

For all those who want to tout Gruden and some genius he inherited the team He won with. He had mutliple HOF guy's on the D. Guys he had nothing to with bringing in. Guy is a myth
Who would like to guess  
Jay in Toronto : 10/22/2018 4:55 pm : link
what is inaccurate about this last paragraph in the NYPost story about the trade???????

"The Cowboys dropped to 3-4 on Sunday with a heartbreaking 20-17 loss to the Redskins that ended with a missed field goal as time expired."
Terrible trade for the Cowpukes - he's an average WR  
PatersonPlank : 10/22/2018 4:57 pm : link
This guarantees the Cowboys stay lousy for a while
Looks like Herbert's a Raider.  
FStubbs : 10/22/2018 5:44 pm : link
Gruden has a package ready for whoever finishes with the first pick (if it's not the Raiders).
RE: RE: Love what Gruden is doing in Oakland  
FStubbs : 10/22/2018 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14139524 LauderdaleMatty said:
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In comment 14139420 Metnut said:


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that team was overrated, awful last year, and looking at cap hell. They're now loaded with assets and could be a bigtime up and coming young team when they move to Vegas.

Next move could be Carr to Jacksonville for a 1st and a 3rd.



Losonf 13-15 games this year and next and loading up On draft picks is what you love? Ok.

He's out of touch. There's no guarantee he will ever draft another player as good as Mack. Team is barren. Let's see in 3 years before we're the genuis is. I'd suggest he fails.

For all those who want to tout Gruden and some genius he inherited the team He won with. He had mutliple HOF guy's on the D. Guys he had nothing to with bringing in. Guy is a myth


Yeah, but the team he beat was the team he built.
RE: Also  
djm : 10/22/2018 5:49 pm : link
In comment 14139314 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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If Oakland is in purge mode I would seriously look into grabbing Carr. Yes he has a large contract but he can play in this league at an ultra high level.


Ultra high level? Based on what? One good year ? That’s some high level...
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arcarsenal : 10/22/2018 5:51 pm : link
LOLDallas. Huge overpay for a mediocre WR.

No thanks on Carr. Ultra high level? Uh... no.
What if  
fivehead : 10/22/2018 6:57 pm : link
Cooper puts Dallas over the edge to make it to the playoffs this year? God, I couldn't take Eagles/Cowboys back to back champs while the Giants suck so badly.
RE: What if  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/22/2018 6:58 pm : link
In comment 14139682 fivehead said:
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Cooper puts Dallas over the edge to make it to the playoffs this year? God, I couldn't take Eagles/Cowboys back to back champs while the Giants suck so badly.


Dak is still garbage.
It's an overpay  
rasbutant : 10/22/2018 7:24 pm : link
but did they get better?
Last week  
Jay on the Island : 10/22/2018 7:34 pm : link
Michael Irvin said that Dallas was just Amari Cooper away from going to the superbowl. I can't wait to see them fail this year. Unfortunately for them Prescott is still their QB.
I am worried that if Justin Herbert enters the draft  
Jay on the Island : 10/22/2018 7:44 pm : link
The Raiders are going to take him. They will trade up if they have to and they certainly have the ammunition to. Those 2020 1st round picks are going to be very valuable with a strong QB class.
Jay  
KWALL2 : 10/22/2018 7:45 pm : link
We will have the #1 pick. They can’t trade in front of that.
RE: Jay  
Jay on the Island : 10/22/2018 7:50 pm : link
In comment 14139744 KWALL2 said:
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We will have the #1 pick. They can’t trade in front of that.

I don't know about that Oakland and SF are pretty awful too.
RE: Jay  
speedywheels : 10/22/2018 7:54 pm : link
In comment 14139744 KWALL2 said:
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We will have the #1 pick. They can’t trade in front of that.


The Niners are awful. Only way NYG will get #1 pick is if they lose to them in November.

That said - they did last year, so...
RE: RE: Jay  
Jay on the Island : 10/22/2018 8:06 pm : link
In comment 14139754 speedywheels said:
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In comment 14139744 KWALL2 said:


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We will have the #1 pick. They can’t trade in front of that.



The Niners are awful. Only way NYG will get #1 pick is if they lose to them in November.

That said - they did last year, so...

If Herbert enters the draft then I would rather see SF have the #1 pick than Oakland. SF definitely won't take a QB and may be willing to trade down.
RE: RE: Also  
Hsilwek92 : 10/22/2018 9:17 pm : link
In comment 14139610 djm said:
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In comment 14139314 ThatLimerickGuy said:


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If Oakland is in purge mode I would seriously look into grabbing Carr. Yes he has a large contract but he can play in this league at an ultra high level.



Ultra high level? Based on what? One good year ? That’s some high level...


He probably meant an ultra high level in the Midwest gay scene.
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