the same team that Eli went 25-29 against. Francesa is tight with Coughlin - that's his source. Who else in Jax would he know? Coughlin has been on his show tens of dozens of times and was part of his reunion show with russo and on his final show.
the same team that Eli went 25-29 against. Francesa is tight with Coughlin - that's his source. Who else in Jax would he know? Coughlin has been on his show tens of dozens of times and was part of his reunion show with russo and on his final show.
I know a team with a vet QB! I can see the Giants asking for a 1st or the Giants saying Eli isn't available because they still believe we can win.
If it comes out that the Giants turned down passing Eli because they thought they could win this year, it's time to start collecting money for a plane with a banner.
if we ever let him go to Jax and said Lauletta (or Tanney) is our QB rest of the season how would that sit with the fan base?
Whats the difference if we are losing with Eli or losing with Lauletta?
I think most Giants fans would be happy for Eli that he will get another shot before he rides into the sunset. Personally, I don't think Eli has anything left, but I'd like to be wrong about that.
I love Eli more than any athlete ever but if the Giants can get anything of value for him at this point, it's a complete disservice to the organization if they pass on it.
I have no idea what their cap looks like but a team trading for Eli would only take on about $5-6 mil of cap this year.
Its just the pro rated amount of his annual salary
Leaving aside his no trade and picking up a new offense in midseason, could a player with Eli's CAP hit be traded during the season? Would there be a CAP hit to the Giants assuming the receiving team had CAP room for his contract?
Leaving aside his no trade and picking up a new offense in midseason, could a player with Eli's CAP hit be traded during the season? Would there be a CAP hit to the Giants assuming the receiving team had CAP room for his contract?
acquiring team would have about a 6mm cap hit
Giants would be about net neutral cap wise (6mil in accelerated signing bonus - 6 mil in prorated salary)
I wonder if a potential deal would be swayed either way towards Eli Â
I'm just guessing, but Eli had his best success with his first coach.
The question is, does it make sense for the Giants? The season is already over, so yes, depending on the offer.
Does it make sense for the Jaguars? Maybe last offseason. They are injured everywhere (they have lost their first two LTs). They would only trade for Eli if they thought he would still be viable for next year. As a one-year rental, they may think they have too many issues elsewhere to make it useful.
*Get some draft asset in return
*More cap room next year
*Clear the deck for the next QB
*Fans that would be pissed with his release will be ok with this as they are probably also sentimental for TC
According to Spotrac, Jacksonville has $6,191,050 in cap space for this season.
Eli does have a $22m cap hit this year, but his base salary is only $10.5m.
If Eli was to be traded later this week, the Jaguars would only be on the hook for the remainder of his base salary this year.
The cap numbers for Jacksonville would look something like:
2018: $5,906,250
2019: $17,000,000
with no guaranteed money.
The Giants would lose $293,750 in cap room this year, but Eli is then off the books. (We would gain $5,906,250, but the $6,200,000 from his pro rata signing bonus in 2019 becomes dead money).
Purely from a salary cap perspective, it could be an option.
The Jags are not trading for Eli. They have eyes. They can see how bad he is now. The idea of getting a new QB is to add somebody who is better than what you already have.
Maybe Derek Carr makes sense for them. I am not even sure Gruden is done with Carr, but if so, I guess it could make sense.
makes the most sense. If Eli goes anywhere, it will be an ESPN-circus, and that is not what the Jaguars need right now.
I don't know that the answer to the question 'who's better at QB than Blake Bortles' is 'Tyrod Taylor'. The idea is to end up with someone better.
And to be honest, short of Carr (who I'm not sure the Jags could afford), I don't know of any other vets who qualify. Bortles is no great shakes - but Bradford? Taylor? Bridgewater? All of them have pretty serious warts. Eli would be the best of that bunch, even with the question marks surrounding him today.
do it, probably for very little. But as others have noted, Eli is not the veteran QB the Jaguars want. He's completely immobile. Carr is the more likely option. Maybe Taylor. Eli would probably block the trade anyway.
makes the most sense. If Eli goes anywhere, it will be an ESPN-circus, and that is not what the Jaguars need right now.
I am not sure that is the Jaguars thinking. Their season goals were for a SuperBowl Run. The trade for Hyde shows that the Jaguars want to win now. I think the Jaguars are a little desperate anyway.
Eli would bring much needed veteran leadership to the team and he does have playoff experience.
If the Jaguars do trade for a QB, ut would be for a starter, so a media circus is likely anyway. At least if it is Eli, they could sell the Coughlin/Manning line.
Of course the Giants aren't likely to give Eli away, we somehow aren't completely out of the division yet, plus Eli has his no-trade clause so it would have to be somewhere Eli wants to be.
would likely give us a lot for Eli. At this point, it'd be dumb not to take a solid offer.
I don't think we'd get a lot. No knock on Eli, but he's older and very expensive, and hasn't played at a high level for awhile now.
And that's fine - the point to trading him would be to give him a shot at resurrecting his career elsewhere, and to give the team a good exit from the Eli Manning era. The perfect scenario is he goes to Jax, does very well this year, has a great year next year and hangs them up. We get to insert another QB in his place, get cap relief from his salary next year, audition Lauletta and have a decision to make for QB going forward.
If we can get anything for Eli in this scenario, we should take it. We're going nowhere this year, with or without him.
be silly to even inquire about Eli. He is washed up and isn't worth it.
Now I can see them chasing Bridgewater. You get a few games to see how he's healed up, with a promise of a starter in the coming years.
Saints get their pick back (maybe even higher) for him too.
Saints have a legitimate shot at the SB this year. They are not going to trade away their backup and throw away their season in Brees has to miss some time.
It's funny that Eli at age 37 is washed up but you have Â
would likely give us a lot for Eli. At this point, it'd be dumb not to take a solid offer.
Think about what you said: You really think Coughlin, a Jaguars senior exec, is the kind of person who would "give a lot" to the Giants, implying he would make a deal not in the best interests of the Jaguars? When did his integrity get compromised?
Rivers, Brees, Big Ben and Brady: 2 about the same age, 2 way older, are all tearing it up.
How does that work again?
Brady and Brees are legendarily great players whom are significantly better than Eli that's how. Ben isn't in their class. He just had brilliant offensive players around him to keep him productive.
Eli was never the most mobile guy, add in age, a few years of tough hits behind a suspect OL, and it's not too far fetched to believe he fell off a year or two earlier than expected.
He wasn't the only one - how many players did we lose early to injuries or rapidly declining play?
RE: RE: It's funny that Eli at age 37 is washed up but you have Â
Rivers, Brees, Big Ben and Brady: 2 about the same age, 2 way older, are all tearing it up.
How does that work again?
Brady and Brees are legendarily great players whom are significantly better than Eli that's how. Ben isn't in their class. He just had brilliant offensive players around him to keep him productive.
No, they play in significantly better systems. Put Eli in a similar system and he's right there with all 4. Even in this system he completed 45 of 50 passes in one stretch this season and not all dump-offs either.
would likely give us a lot for Eli. At this point, it'd be dumb not to take a solid offer.
I don't think we'd get a lot. No knock on Eli, but he's older and very expensive, and hasn't played at a high level for awhile now.
And that's fine - the point to trading him would be to give him a shot at resurrecting his career elsewhere, and to give the team a good exit from the Eli Manning era. The perfect scenario is he goes to Jax, does very well this year, has a great year next year and hangs them up. We get to insert another QB in his place, get cap relief from his salary next year, audition Lauletta and have a decision to make for QB going forward.
If we can get anything for Eli in this scenario, we should take it. We're going nowhere this year, with or without him.
would likely give us a lot for Eli. At this point, it'd be dumb not to take a solid offer.
Think about what you said: You really think Coughlin, a Jaguars senior exec, is the kind of person who would "give a lot" to the Giants, implying he would make a deal not in the best interests of the Jaguars? When did his integrity get compromised?
That's an amazing response.
RE: RE: RE: It's funny that Eli at age 37 is washed up but you have Â
Rivers, Brees, Big Ben and Brady: 2 about the same age, 2 way older, are all tearing it up.
How does that work again?
Brady and Brees are legendarily great players whom are significantly better than Eli that's how. Ben isn't in their class. He just had brilliant offensive players around him to keep him productive.
No, they play in significantly better systems. Put Eli in a similar system and he's right there with all 4. Even in this system he completed 45 of 50 passes in one stretch this season and not all dump-offs either.
No he is not "right there with all four." Eli Manning isn't as talented as Tom Brady or Drew Brees, get outta here with this. In one paragraph you managed to both overrate Eli Manning and also paint two walking hall of famers as system quarterbacks.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It's funny that Eli at age 37 is washed up but you have Â
Rivers, Brees, Big Ben and Brady: 2 about the same age, 2 way older, are all tearing it up.
How does that work again?
Brady and Brees are legendarily great players whom are significantly better than Eli that's how. Ben isn't in their class. He just had brilliant offensive players around him to keep him productive.
No, they play in significantly better systems. Put Eli in a similar system and he's right there with all 4. Even in this system he completed 45 of 50 passes in one stretch this season and not all dump-offs either.
No he is not "right there with all four." Eli Manning isn't as talented as Tom Brady or Drew Brees, get outta here with this. In one paragraph you managed to both overrate Eli Manning and also paint two walking hall of famers as system quarterbacks.
He beat the best of his peers (Brady, Rodgers, Romo, Favre) in huge games, including on the road in some adverse weather conditions. That can't ever be taken away from him. In a big game he frequently came up big. Even in the 2016 playoffs he played well while his receivers embarrassed themselves.
But in terms of sustained consistent performance, attention to detail, and command of the offense he is not in the same conversation as Brady and Brees. He just isn't.
He beat the best of his peers (Brady, Rodgers, Romo, Favre) in huge games, including on the road in some adverse weather conditions. That can't ever be taken away from him. In a big game he frequently came up big. Even in the 2016 playoffs he played well while his receivers embarrassed themselves.
But in terms of sustained consistent performance, attention to detail, and command of the offense he is not in the same conversation as Brady and Brees. He just isn't.
He is the same Eli that he always has been. I see no difference. He has always been slow, fumble prone, interception prone, slow starter. He needs to get into a rythem. He needs time and protection and receiver that run the route as designed, because he is throwing to a spot. He also is a leader, is humble win or lose, is realible, he is student of the game, is clutch, reads defense and throws to the matchup, he still has a strong arm i see no difference there. Given time he will pick a defense apart. Eli is a good QB, still. You can win with Eli, but Eli can't do it by himself, he isn't going to extend plays with his feet, you need a team around him. Eli will still be a starting QB in this league beyond this contract IF he wants to be. If you believe Eli is the problem then you must believe that from the first day, because his play has not changed.
RE: RE: In a given game Eli could play with anyone Â
He beat the best of his peers (Brady, Rodgers, Romo, Favre) in huge games, including on the road in some adverse weather conditions. That can't ever be taken away from him. In a big game he frequently came up big. Even in the 2016 playoffs he played well while his receivers embarrassed themselves.
But in terms of sustained consistent performance, attention to detail, and command of the offense he is not in the same conversation as Brady and Brees. He just isn't.
He is the same Eli that he always has been. I see no difference. He has always been slow, fumble prone, interception prone, slow starter. He needs to get into a rythem. He needs time and protection and receiver that run the route as designed, because he is throwing to a spot. He also is a leader, is humble win or lose, is realible, he is student of the game, is clutch, reads defense and throws to the matchup, he still has a strong arm i see no difference there. Given time he will pick a defense apart. Eli is a good QB, still. You can win with Eli, but Eli can't do it by himself, he isn't going to extend plays with his feet, you need a team around him. Eli will still be a starting QB in this league beyond this contract IF he wants to be. If you believe Eli is the problem then you must believe that from the first day, because his play has not changed.
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RE: RE: In a given game Eli could play with anyone Â
He beat the best of his peers (Brady, Rodgers, Romo, Favre) in huge games, including on the road in some adverse weather conditions. That can't ever be taken away from him. In a big game he frequently came up big. Even in the 2016 playoffs he played well while his receivers embarrassed themselves.
But in terms of sustained consistent performance, attention to detail, and command of the offense he is not in the same conversation as Brady and Brees. He just isn't.
He is the same Eli that he always has been. I see no difference. He has always been slow, fumble prone, interception prone, slow starter. He needs to get into a rythem. He needs time and protection and receiver that run the route as designed, because he is throwing to a spot. He also is a leader, is humble win or lose, is realible, he is student of the game, is clutch, reads defense and throws to the matchup, he still has a strong arm i see no difference there. Given time he will pick a defense apart. Eli is a good QB, still. You can win with Eli, but Eli can't do it by himself, he isn't going to extend plays with his feet, you need a team around him. Eli will still be a starting QB in this league beyond this contract IF he wants to be. If you believe Eli is the problem then you must believe that from the first day, because his play has not changed.
He is more sensitive to the pass rush than he used to be. I think that is down to several factors beyond simply him taking years of punishment behind bad offensive lines. I think a big factor has been the change in offensive philosophy from Gilbride to McAdoo/Shurmur. The types of throws have changed, the timing has changed - everything has changed. And I don't think it's served Eli well.
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He is more sensitive to the pass rush than he used to be. I think that is down to several factors beyond simply him taking years of punishment behind bad offensive lines. I think a big factor has been the change in offensive philosophy from Gilbride to McAdoo/Shurmur. The types of throws have changed, the timing has changed - everything has changed. And I don't think it's served Eli well.
Totally fair point, and I agree with that as well.
I mentioned this on a thread over the weekend. The pass rushers are dominating the offensive line. They are more athletic. The average OL cannot sustain their blocks long enough for a QB to just stand there in the pocket and cleanly go through his progressions. Other than Brady, those days are gone.
Today, a QB must have the ability to extend plays with his legs. Roll out and change the angle of some of the throws. Adding the threat to run element is also extremely important in today's game.
This does not mean that every QB with mobility is going to be successful. He still has to have all of the other things (accuracy, leadership, ability to read defenses, change the protections, etc etc). What it does mean is in today's game your chances of success will be limited without it.
I think Manning's throws across the field have considerable less zip. He still has nice touch, and can drop nice soft ones into the basket. But to my eyes he doesn't have the cannon he once had. I'm sure he can turn it up a few times a game. But that's one consistent difference I see.
Of course, Houston does have good ends, and that is Bortles we're talking about.
I wonder if Foles becomes their target.
If it comes out that the Giants turned down passing Eli because they thought they could win this year, it's time to start collecting money for a plane with a banner.
But I could see Mara declining it because of some kind of "Eli's Giants career shouldn't end that way" mindset.
solves PR problem with Eli and starts the transition
1. Who cares?
2. If you're going to suck, might as well REALLY suck for a top draft pick.
Whats the difference if we are losing with Eli or losing with Lauletta?
I think most Giants fans would be happy for Eli that he will get another shot before he rides into the sunset. Personally, I don't think Eli has anything left, but I'd like to be wrong about that.
Seriously though, I can't see trading mid year for a QB.
Last time it was done was Carson Palmer to the Raiders.
Would sit fine with me.
I have no idea what their cap looks like but a team trading for Eli would only take on about $5-6 mil of cap this year.
Its just the pro rated amount of his annual salary
acquiring team would have about a 6mm cap hit
Giants would be about net neutral cap wise (6mil in accelerated signing bonus - 6 mil in prorated salary)
The question is, does it make sense for the Giants? The season is already over, so yes, depending on the offer.
Does it make sense for the Jaguars? Maybe last offseason. They are injured everywhere (they have lost their first two LTs). They would only trade for Eli if they thought he would still be viable for next year. As a one-year rental, they may think they have too many issues elsewhere to make it useful.
*Get some draft asset in return
*More cap room next year
*Clear the deck for the next QB
*Fans that would be pissed with his release will be ok with this as they are probably also sentimental for TC
I don't even think you could get a 7th rounder in return for him.
That’s the spirit!!!
and if we trade ELi we gain 10 million in cap space.
Not sure how accurate that is.
According to Spotrac, Jacksonville has $6,191,050 in cap space for this season.
Eli does have a $22m cap hit this year, but his base salary is only $10.5m.
If Eli was to be traded later this week, the Jaguars would only be on the hook for the remainder of his base salary this year.
The cap numbers for Jacksonville would look something like:
2018: $5,906,250
2019: $17,000,000
with no guaranteed money.
The Giants would lose $293,750 in cap room this year, but Eli is then off the books. (We would gain $5,906,250, but the $6,200,000 from his pro rata signing bonus in 2019 becomes dead money).
Purely from a salary cap perspective, it could be an option.
Maybe Derek Carr makes sense for them. I am not even sure Gruden is done with Carr, but if so, I guess it could make sense.
I don't know that the answer to the question 'who's better at QB than Blake Bortles' is 'Tyrod Taylor'. The idea is to end up with someone better.
And to be honest, short of Carr (who I'm not sure the Jags could afford), I don't know of any other vets who qualify. Bortles is no great shakes - but Bradford? Taylor? Bridgewater? All of them have pretty serious warts. Eli would be the best of that bunch, even with the question marks surrounding him today.
I am not sure that is the Jaguars thinking. Their season goals were for a SuperBowl Run. The trade for Hyde shows that the Jaguars want to win now. I think the Jaguars are a little desperate anyway.
Eli would bring much needed veteran leadership to the team and he does have playoff experience.
If the Jaguars do trade for a QB, ut would be for a starter, so a media circus is likely anyway. At least if it is Eli, they could sell the Coughlin/Manning line.
Of course the Giants aren't likely to give Eli away, we somehow aren't completely out of the division yet, plus Eli has his no-trade clause so it would have to be somewhere Eli wants to be.
Now I can see them chasing Bridgewater. You get a few games to see how he's healed up, with a promise of a starter in the coming years.
Saints get their pick back (maybe even higher) for him too.
I don't think we'd get a lot. No knock on Eli, but he's older and very expensive, and hasn't played at a high level for awhile now.
And that's fine - the point to trading him would be to give him a shot at resurrecting his career elsewhere, and to give the team a good exit from the Eli Manning era. The perfect scenario is he goes to Jax, does very well this year, has a great year next year and hangs them up. We get to insert another QB in his place, get cap relief from his salary next year, audition Lauletta and have a decision to make for QB going forward.
If we can get anything for Eli in this scenario, we should take it. We're going nowhere this year, with or without him.
Giants are too emotionally attached to eli to deal him
Now I can see them chasing Bridgewater. You get a few games to see how he's healed up, with a promise of a starter in the coming years.
Saints get their pick back (maybe even higher) for him too.
Saints have a legitimate shot at the SB this year. They are not going to trade away their backup and throw away their season in Brees has to miss some time.
How does that work again?
How does that work again?
lol...
solves PR problem with Eli and starts the transition
If Manning agreed, why would anyone have to spin anything?
WTF are you talking about? Manning is in complete control over any trade. He doesn’t need any favors from you.
As someone mentioned in the other thread, it could be a Bradford or Bridgewater type.
Think about what you said: You really think Coughlin, a Jaguars senior exec, is the kind of person who would "give a lot" to the Giants, implying he would make a deal not in the best interests of the Jaguars? When did his integrity get compromised?
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No need for sentimentality - we'd be doing Eli a favor anyway.
WTF are you talking about? Manning is in complete control over any trade. He doesn’t need any favors from you.
And there's the sentimental behavior I think bc was referring to, since it's impossible to see how someone could take offense to that post.
How does that work again?
Brady and Brees are legendarily great players whom are significantly better than Eli that's how. Ben isn't in their class. He just had brilliant offensive players around him to keep him productive.
He wasn't the only one - how many players did we lose early to injuries or rapidly declining play?
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Rivers, Brees, Big Ben and Brady: 2 about the same age, 2 way older, are all tearing it up.
How does that work again?
Brady and Brees are legendarily great players whom are significantly better than Eli that's how. Ben isn't in their class. He just had brilliant offensive players around him to keep him productive.
No, they play in significantly better systems. Put Eli in a similar system and he's right there with all 4. Even in this system he completed 45 of 50 passes in one stretch this season and not all dump-offs either.
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would likely give us a lot for Eli. At this point, it'd be dumb not to take a solid offer.
I don't think we'd get a lot. No knock on Eli, but he's older and very expensive, and hasn't played at a high level for awhile now.
And that's fine - the point to trading him would be to give him a shot at resurrecting his career elsewhere, and to give the team a good exit from the Eli Manning era. The perfect scenario is he goes to Jax, does very well this year, has a great year next year and hangs them up. We get to insert another QB in his place, get cap relief from his salary next year, audition Lauletta and have a decision to make for QB going forward.
If we can get anything for Eli in this scenario, we should take it. We're going nowhere this year, with or without him.
Maybe 'a lot' was the wrong phrasing.
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would likely give us a lot for Eli. At this point, it'd be dumb not to take a solid offer.
Think about what you said: You really think Coughlin, a Jaguars senior exec, is the kind of person who would "give a lot" to the Giants, implying he would make a deal not in the best interests of the Jaguars? When did his integrity get compromised?
That's an amazing response.
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Rivers, Brees, Big Ben and Brady: 2 about the same age, 2 way older, are all tearing it up.
How does that work again?
Brady and Brees are legendarily great players whom are significantly better than Eli that's how. Ben isn't in their class. He just had brilliant offensive players around him to keep him productive.
No, they play in significantly better systems. Put Eli in a similar system and he's right there with all 4. Even in this system he completed 45 of 50 passes in one stretch this season and not all dump-offs either.
No he is not "right there with all four." Eli Manning isn't as talented as Tom Brady or Drew Brees, get outta here with this. In one paragraph you managed to both overrate Eli Manning and also paint two walking hall of famers as system quarterbacks.
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Rivers, Brees, Big Ben and Brady: 2 about the same age, 2 way older, are all tearing it up.
How does that work again?
Brady and Brees are legendarily great players whom are significantly better than Eli that's how. Ben isn't in their class. He just had brilliant offensive players around him to keep him productive.
No, they play in significantly better systems. Put Eli in a similar system and he's right there with all 4. Even in this system he completed 45 of 50 passes in one stretch this season and not all dump-offs either.
No he is not "right there with all four." Eli Manning isn't as talented as Tom Brady or Drew Brees, get outta here with this. In one paragraph you managed to both overrate Eli Manning and also paint two walking hall of famers as system quarterbacks.
That's your opinion. I differ.
The spectrum of opinions range from Eli has never been that good, to you saying he s on par with Brady and Brees.
Truth is somewhere Between those two extremes no doubt.
That's your opinion. I differ.
You and quite literally the entire football world differ.
But in terms of sustained consistent performance, attention to detail, and command of the offense he is not in the same conversation as Brady and Brees. He just isn't.
But in terms of sustained consistent performance, attention to detail, and command of the offense he is not in the same conversation as Brady and Brees. He just isn't.
He is the same Eli that he always has been. I see no difference. He has always been slow, fumble prone, interception prone, slow starter. He needs to get into a rythem. He needs time and protection and receiver that run the route as designed, because he is throwing to a spot. He also is a leader, is humble win or lose, is realible, he is student of the game, is clutch, reads defense and throws to the matchup, he still has a strong arm i see no difference there. Given time he will pick a defense apart. Eli is a good QB, still. You can win with Eli, but Eli can't do it by himself, he isn't going to extend plays with his feet, you need a team around him. Eli will still be a starting QB in this league beyond this contract IF he wants to be. If you believe Eli is the problem then you must believe that from the first day, because his play has not changed.
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He beat the best of his peers (Brady, Rodgers, Romo, Favre) in huge games, including on the road in some adverse weather conditions. That can't ever be taken away from him. In a big game he frequently came up big. Even in the 2016 playoffs he played well while his receivers embarrassed themselves.
But in terms of sustained consistent performance, attention to detail, and command of the offense he is not in the same conversation as Brady and Brees. He just isn't.
He is the same Eli that he always has been. I see no difference. He has always been slow, fumble prone, interception prone, slow starter. He needs to get into a rythem. He needs time and protection and receiver that run the route as designed, because he is throwing to a spot. He also is a leader, is humble win or lose, is realible, he is student of the game, is clutch, reads defense and throws to the matchup, he still has a strong arm i see no difference there. Given time he will pick a defense apart. Eli is a good QB, still. You can win with Eli, but Eli can't do it by himself, he isn't going to extend plays with his feet, you need a team around him. Eli will still be a starting QB in this league beyond this contract IF he wants to be. If you believe Eli is the problem then you must believe that from the first day, because his play has not changed.
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He beat the best of his peers (Brady, Rodgers, Romo, Favre) in huge games, including on the road in some adverse weather conditions. That can't ever be taken away from him. In a big game he frequently came up big. Even in the 2016 playoffs he played well while his receivers embarrassed themselves.
But in terms of sustained consistent performance, attention to detail, and command of the offense he is not in the same conversation as Brady and Brees. He just isn't.
He is the same Eli that he always has been. I see no difference. He has always been slow, fumble prone, interception prone, slow starter. He needs to get into a rythem. He needs time and protection and receiver that run the route as designed, because he is throwing to a spot. He also is a leader, is humble win or lose, is realible, he is student of the game, is clutch, reads defense and throws to the matchup, he still has a strong arm i see no difference there. Given time he will pick a defense apart. Eli is a good QB, still. You can win with Eli, but Eli can't do it by himself, he isn't going to extend plays with his feet, you need a team around him. Eli will still be a starting QB in this league beyond this contract IF he wants to be. If you believe Eli is the problem then you must believe that from the first day, because his play has not changed.
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Totally fair point, and I agree with that as well.
Today, a QB must have the ability to extend plays with his legs. Roll out and change the angle of some of the throws. Adding the threat to run element is also extremely important in today's game.
This does not mean that every QB with mobility is going to be successful. He still has to have all of the other things (accuracy, leadership, ability to read defenses, change the protections, etc etc). What it does mean is in today's game your chances of success will be limited without it.