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Jacksonville exploring vet quarterbacks per Francesca

joeinpa : 10/22/2018 3:46 pm
Mike has a source he trusts on this issue. However, he made it clear he knows nothing in regard to Eli and this info.

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I would love to see Eli go off and be successful  
jcn56 : 10/22/2018 3:48 pm : link
but after seeing yesterday's Jax game - I'm not sure that OL is as great as everyone thought. Bortles was seriously harrassed in the first half.

Of course, Houston does have good ends, and that is Bortles we're talking about.
It is amazing nobody can spell his name  
robbieballs2003 : 10/22/2018 3:48 pm : link
I wonder if that is just the fact that people like to text the way he tawlks.
Just call Kapernick  
Rflairr : 10/22/2018 3:49 pm : link
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I would love to see Eli go out  
Chris684 : 10/22/2018 3:50 pm : link
with Coughlin in what could be a better scenario but I don't see it.

I wonder if Foles becomes their target.
Jacksonville  
GMEN46 : 10/22/2018 3:50 pm : link
Does not have cap space for Eli correct?
didn't Jags play Houston  
CMicks3110 : 10/22/2018 3:51 pm : link
the same team that Eli went 25-29 against. Francesa is tight with Coughlin - that's his source. Who else in Jax would he know? Coughlin has been on his show tens of dozens of times and was part of his reunion show with russo and on his final show.
Oooh ooh ooh,  
Keith : 10/22/2018 3:51 pm : link
I know a team with a vet QB! I can see the Giants asking for a 1st or the Giants saying Eli isn't available because they still believe we can win.
didn't Jags play Houston  
CMicks3110 : 10/22/2018 3:52 pm : link
the same team that Eli went 25-29 against. Francesa is tight with Coughlin - that's his source. Who else in Jax would he know? Coughlin has been on his show tens of dozens of times and was part of his reunion show with russo and on his final show.
RE: Oooh ooh ooh,  
jcn56 : 10/22/2018 3:53 pm : link
In comment 14139411 Keith said:
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I know a team with a vet QB! I can see the Giants asking for a 1st or the Giants saying Eli isn't available because they still believe we can win.


If it comes out that the Giants turned down passing Eli because they thought they could win this year, it's time to start collecting money for a plane with a banner.
Eli being 'protected' by Flowers again.  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/22/2018 3:54 pm : link
No need to torture the man.
I don't think the Giants would turn it down  
Mr. Bungle : 10/22/2018 3:55 pm : link
because they still think they could win.

But I could see Mara declining it because of some kind of "Eli's Giants career shouldn't end that way" mindset.
as much as E has struggled  
UESBLUE : 10/22/2018 3:55 pm : link
if we ever let him go to Jax and said Lauletta (or Tanney) is our QB rest of the season how would that sit with the fan base?
If Jax was interested in Eli  
joeinpa : 10/22/2018 3:55 pm : link
And Eli and Giants agreed, it would basically be a salary dump for Giants.
trade eli to them for whatever they offer if they are interested  
GiantsFan84 : 10/22/2018 3:56 pm : link
can spin it like the franchise is sending him to a winner with a chance to compete.

solves PR problem with Eli and starts the transition
RE: as much as E has struggled  
Mr. Bungle : 10/22/2018 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14139418 UESBLUE said:
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if we ever let him go to Jax and said Lauletta (or Tanney) is our QB rest of the season how would that sit with the fan base?

1. Who cares?

2. If you're going to suck, might as well REALLY suck for a top draft pick.
RE: as much as E has struggled  
Keith : 10/22/2018 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14139418 UESBLUE said:
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if we ever let him go to Jax and said Lauletta (or Tanney) is our QB rest of the season how would that sit with the fan base?


Whats the difference if we are losing with Eli or losing with Lauletta?

I think most Giants fans would be happy for Eli that he will get another shot before he rides into the sunset. Personally, I don't think Eli has anything left, but I'd like to be wrong about that.
Just heard Eli is not playing tonight....  
BillKo : 10/22/2018 3:57 pm : link
....(just kiddin')..............

Seriously though, I can't see trading mid year for a QB.

Last time it was done was Carson Palmer to the Raiders.
Everyone except Barkley should be available.  
bceagle05 : 10/22/2018 3:58 pm : link
No need for sentimentality - we'd be doing Eli a favor anyway.
Makes sense for both teams..  
Sean : 10/22/2018 3:59 pm : link
Let’s see what we have in Lauletta.
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Danny Kanell : 10/22/2018 3:59 pm : link
I love Eli more than any athlete ever but if the Giants can get anything of value for him at this point, it's a complete disservice to the organization if they pass on it.
RE: as much as E has struggled  
Brown Recluse : 10/22/2018 4:00 pm : link
In comment 14139418 UESBLUE said:
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if we ever let him go to Jax and said Lauletta (or Tanney) is our QB rest of the season how would that sit with the fan base?


Would sit fine with me.
RE: Jacksonville  
ron mexico : 10/22/2018 4:00 pm : link
In comment 14139409 GMEN46 said:
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Does not have cap space for Eli correct?


I have no idea what their cap looks like but a team trading for Eli would only take on about $5-6 mil of cap this year.
Its just the pro rated amount of his annual salary


Could Eli Be Traded?  
Samiam : 10/22/2018 4:01 pm : link
Leaving aside his no trade and picking up a new offense in midseason, could a player with Eli's CAP hit be traded during the season? Would there be a CAP hit to the Giants assuming the receiving team had CAP room for his contract?
Eli’s comin’  
jeff57 : 10/22/2018 4:01 pm : link
Or going.
Well, there's always Sam Bradford.  
MOOPS : 10/22/2018 4:02 pm : link
He can probably be had for a can of sardines.
RE: Could Eli Be Traded?  
ron mexico : 10/22/2018 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14139436 Samiam said:
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Leaving aside his no trade and picking up a new offense in midseason, could a player with Eli's CAP hit be traded during the season? Would there be a CAP hit to the Giants assuming the receiving team had CAP room for his contract?


acquiring team would have about a 6mm cap hit

Giants would be about net neutral cap wise (6mil in accelerated signing bonus - 6 mil in prorated salary)
I wonder if a potential deal would be swayed either way towards Eli  
GmeninPSL : 10/22/2018 4:05 pm : link
stays or goes if the Giants score 31+ points and a win versus another tank of a game against the worst defense in the NFL.
RE: It is amazing nobody can spell his name  
holmancomedown : 10/22/2018 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14139404 robbieballs2003 said:
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I wonder if that is just the fact that people like to text the way he tawlks.
LOL
Maybe Derek Carr  
ghost718 : 10/22/2018 4:09 pm : link
Coughlin is familiar with the family
a)Jacksonville is close to capped out  
Greg from LI : 10/22/2018 4:12 pm : link
b)Good luck selling Jags fans on that one.
I'd bet Coughlin could talk Eli into coming to Jacksonville  
mikeinbloomfield : 10/22/2018 4:12 pm : link
I'm just guessing, but Eli had his best success with his first coach.

The question is, does it make sense for the Giants? The season is already over, so yes, depending on the offer.

Does it make sense for the Jaguars? Maybe last offseason. They are injured everywhere (they have lost their first two LTs). They would only trade for Eli if they thought he would still be viable for next year. As a one-year rental, they may think they have too many issues elsewhere to make it useful.

Francesa  
joeinpa : 10/22/2018 4:13 pm : link
Thanks. Never even realized I ve been spelling it incorrectly
Jacksonville is on their 3rd tackle  
widmerseyebrow : 10/22/2018 4:14 pm : link
Hence why they signed Flowers off the scrap heap. The protection isn't going to be much better there for a pocket passer.
The question is, does it make sense for the Giants?  
ron mexico : 10/22/2018 4:15 pm : link
absolutely

*Get some draft asset in return
*More cap room next year
*Clear the deck for the next QB
*Fans that would be pissed with his release will be ok with this as they are probably also sentimental for TC

At this point Eli  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/22/2018 4:17 pm : link
has no trade value whatsoever. Last season sure, but there is no way they take on that contract.

I don't even think you could get a 7th rounder in return for him.
Why would we give them Eli  
Jimmy Googs : 10/22/2018 4:21 pm : link
we are only a few games out of first place in the NFCE, and he is under contract for another year?

RE: Why would we give them Eli  
dep026 : 10/22/2018 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14139481 Jimmy Googs said:
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we are only a few games out of first place in the NFCE, and he is under contract for another year?


That’s the spirit!!!
According to overthecap.com  
Tom from LI : 10/22/2018 4:25 pm : link
Jax has 10.4 million free


and if we trade ELi we gain 10 million in cap space.

Not sure how accurate that is.
I just wanted to type a moronic post  
Jimmy Googs : 10/22/2018 4:28 pm : link
to see what its like to be one of you all for a change...
Tyrod Taylor  
dank41 : 10/22/2018 4:30 pm : link
makes the most sense. If Eli goes anywhere, it will be an ESPN-circus, and that is not what the Jaguars need right now.
RE: Jacksonville  
Big_Pete : 10/22/2018 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14139409 GMEN46 said:
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Does not have cap space for Eli correct?


According to Spotrac, Jacksonville has $6,191,050 in cap space for this season.

Eli does have a $22m cap hit this year, but his base salary is only $10.5m.

If Eli was to be traded later this week, the Jaguars would only be on the hook for the remainder of his base salary this year.
The cap numbers for Jacksonville would look something like:
2018: $5,906,250
2019: $17,000,000
with no guaranteed money.

The Giants would lose $293,750 in cap room this year, but Eli is then off the books. (We would gain $5,906,250, but the $6,200,000 from his pro rata signing bonus in 2019 becomes dead money).

Purely from a salary cap perspective, it could be an option.
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FranchiseQB : 10/22/2018 4:33 pm : link
The Jags are not trading for Eli. They have eyes. They can see how bad he is now. The idea of getting a new QB is to add somebody who is better than what you already have.

Maybe Derek Carr makes sense for them. I am not even sure Gruden is done with Carr, but if so, I guess it could make sense.
RE: Tyrod Taylor  
jcn56 : 10/22/2018 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14139494 dank41 said:
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makes the most sense. If Eli goes anywhere, it will be an ESPN-circus, and that is not what the Jaguars need right now.


I don't know that the answer to the question 'who's better at QB than Blake Bortles' is 'Tyrod Taylor'. The idea is to end up with someone better.

And to be honest, short of Carr (who I'm not sure the Jags could afford), I don't know of any other vets who qualify. Bortles is no great shakes - but Bradford? Taylor? Bridgewater? All of them have pretty serious warts. Eli would be the best of that bunch, even with the question marks surrounding him today.
I'd  
AcidTest : 10/22/2018 4:36 pm : link
do it, probably for very little. But as others have noted, Eli is not the veteran QB the Jaguars want. He's completely immobile. Carr is the more likely option. Maybe Taylor. Eli would probably block the trade anyway.
RE: Tyrod Taylor  
Big_Pete : 10/22/2018 4:43 pm : link
In comment 14139494 dank41 said:
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makes the most sense. If Eli goes anywhere, it will be an ESPN-circus, and that is not what the Jaguars need right now.


I am not sure that is the Jaguars thinking. Their season goals were for a SuperBowl Run. The trade for Hyde shows that the Jaguars want to win now. I think the Jaguars are a little desperate anyway.

Eli would bring much needed veteran leadership to the team and he does have playoff experience.

If the Jaguars do trade for a QB, ut would be for a starter, so a media circus is likely anyway. At least if it is Eli, they could sell the Coughlin/Manning line.

Of course the Giants aren't likely to give Eli away, we somehow aren't completely out of the division yet, plus Eli has his no-trade clause so it would have to be somewhere Eli wants to be.
Coughlin  
phil in arizona : 10/22/2018 5:03 pm : link
would likely give us a lot for Eli. At this point, it'd be dumb not to take a solid offer.
David  
mdthedream : 10/22/2018 5:09 pm : link
Carr?
Jacksonville would  
cjd2404 : 10/22/2018 5:11 pm : link
be silly to even inquire about Eli. He is washed up and isn't worth it.

Now I can see them chasing Bridgewater. You get a few games to see how he's healed up, with a promise of a starter in the coming years.

Saints get their pick back (maybe even higher) for him too.
You have to be delusional to think  
Default : 10/22/2018 5:23 pm : link
any team is going to trade for Eli.
Francessa said that if Eli wins tonight  
Simms11 : 10/22/2018 5:23 pm : link
he won’t be in the discussion, but if they lose, he thinks he’ll be dangled for trade.
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