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Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/22/2018 11:07 pm
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this sucks  
rocco8112 : 10/22/2018 11:08 pm : link
.
So  
viggie : 10/22/2018 11:09 pm : link
How long till the draft ?
I guess we’re not mathematically eliminated  
Simms11 : 10/22/2018 11:12 pm : link
yet, but we might as well be. We’re toast! Finished. I can’t imagine this team winning any more games this year! I couldn’t imagine a 1-15 season, but it could be actually happen. Worse the last year.....we just can’t get out of our own way!
So if we fire Shurmur,  
Anakim : 10/22/2018 11:12 pm : link
How much will we be on the hook for both him and McAdoo?
Two things come to mind  
Anakim : 10/22/2018 11:13 pm : link
“We can’t win at home and we can’t win on the road. What we need is a neutral site.”



“What do you think of your team’s execution?”
“I’m in favor of it.”
Eli looked better then usual  
xman : 10/22/2018 11:13 pm : link
but glad we lost. Keep it going
Pat Shurmur's late game decisions  
dpinzow : 10/22/2018 11:13 pm : link
make even McAdoo look good
I miss Parcells  
Paulie Walnuts : 10/22/2018 11:13 pm : link
..
Beat the spread  
jeff57 : 10/22/2018 11:14 pm : link
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So  
rocco8112 : 10/22/2018 11:14 pm : link
, the clown on ESPN in the high chair said Eli audibled to the sneaks? Is this true or were they playcalls? Two in a row was fucking insanity.

All desperation anyway, but WTF?
The game is over yet somehow I envision the offense  
jcn56 : 10/22/2018 11:14 pm : link
is still trying a QB sneak.
_________  
I am Ninja : 10/22/2018 11:14 pm : link
francesa tomorrow is going to be just glorious
Can’t wait for the  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/22/2018 11:14 pm : link
Post game
1-6 for 3rd time in 6 seasons  
bluepepper : 10/22/2018 11:15 pm : link
that's a bad organization.
Ok, it's settled...  
antdog24 : 10/22/2018 11:15 pm : link
Shurmur blows as a head coach.
Eli has 7 TDs in 7 games!  
Simms11 : 10/22/2018 11:15 pm : link
That’s pitiful
Eli  
Giantophile : 10/22/2018 11:15 pm : link
is not giving us a chance to win. It's more than just Eli, but not making a change at this point seems crazy. We're 1-6 and our offense is a joke.
Atrocious play calling and clock mgmt by Shurmur  
The_Boss : 10/22/2018 11:15 pm : link
We know the players blow cock, but the coach isn’t suppose to be this bad. I see zero discernible difference between him and McAdoo.
RE: Eli has 7 TDs in 7 games!  
Giantophile : 10/22/2018 11:15 pm : link
In comment 14141851 Simms11 said:
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That’s pitiful


at least 3 of them are in garbage time.
At Least The Game Was Mercifully Short  
Trainmaster : 10/22/2018 11:15 pm : link
for you East Coast guys.
Eli throws for 399  
jeff57 : 10/22/2018 11:16 pm : link
Beckham and Shepard combine for 310.
Eff it .... lets take this discussion to the bar ...  
short lease : 10/22/2018 11:16 pm : link
First round on me.
I hate to say it but we are officially back  
Chris L. : 10/22/2018 11:16 pm : link
to the 70's and s_*t football.
RE: 1-6 for 3rd time in 6 seasons  
rocco8112 : 10/22/2018 11:16 pm : link
In comment 14141847 bluepepper said:
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that's a bad organization.


In 2013 they finished 7 - 9 and even played a meaningful game (home loss to Dallas). So yes, but I was always impresed how that shit team stabilized.

This year and last the Giants are a fucking joke. Literally, I can not recall ever seeing them this bad.
If I'm Justin Herbert, there's no way I declare  
Anakim : 10/22/2018 11:16 pm : link
To go to the Raiders or the Giants? Haha, career suicide. Playing behind the Giants O-Line?
I thought  
Paulie Walnuts : 10/22/2018 11:16 pm : link
The OL had the best game of the season though
Eli does not throw  
section125 : 10/22/2018 11:16 pm : link
to Beckham on 4th and 1 (2nd qtr?) and that is Shurmur's fault?

Those sneaks had to be on Eli.

I think Eli will be benched soon.
RE: Eli  
dep026 : 10/22/2018 11:16 pm : link
In comment 14141852 Giantophile said:
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is not giving us a chance to win. It's more than just Eli, but not making a change at this point seems crazy. We're 1-6 and our offense is a joke.


He threw for 400 yards.
I'm trying really hard to see why, I swear  
jcn56 : 10/22/2018 11:16 pm : link
but I can't for the life of me understand why he'd go for 2 there.

I fully expected to see Rosas standing on crutches at that point.
I’ll keep saying it  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/22/2018 11:16 pm : link
Eli will be back next year, go for Tua
Lauletta Needs To Be Taking 2nd QBs Snaps In Practice  
Trainmaster : 10/22/2018 11:17 pm : link
and he needs to start after the bye; sorry Eli.
RE: So if we fire Shurmur,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/22/2018 11:17 pm : link
In comment 14141805 Anakim said:
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How much will we be on the hook for both him and McAdoo?


All the money they spent this offseason has been bad.
this organization needs an enema.  
TexasGmenFan : 10/22/2018 11:17 pm : link
just broken from ownership on down. and if anyone feels an iota of confidence in having this team run by a Gettleman/Schurmur combo for years to come, i invite you to give a single damn good reason as to how you got there.
Eli  
Jerry in DC : 10/22/2018 11:17 pm : link
Did throw for 399 yards. Granted a lot of dump offs and some garbage time, but it's still a lot of yards.
This team is horrendous.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/22/2018 11:17 pm : link
This offense is a disgrace. Showing up that late in the game against this shit defense is unacceptable.
This is 70s NY Giant football  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/22/2018 11:17 pm : link
Shurmur should be embarrassed. More than enough talent to win more than 2-4 games this year.

This is the best draft they’ve had in about a decade. But the FA Guys and the Ogletree trade look like shit. Shumur will get another year but the rot is deeeep
RE: I thought  
section125 : 10/22/2018 11:18 pm : link
In comment 14141868 Paulie Walnuts said:
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The OL had the best game of the season though


2nd half. But the worst game in the 1st half...
Shurmur's a quick learner.  
CT Charlie : 10/22/2018 11:18 pm : link
At halftime someone told him we should run more time off the clock in the redzone at the end of a half, so....
What I want is some balls by Shurmer.  
Matt M. : 10/22/2018 11:18 pm : link
If he called the 2 sneaks, I want him to own it. If it was Eli, I want him to call out Eli. I also want Eli benched...and this is coming from one of his biggest proponents (and someone who still doesn't think he is done). It just serves no purpose to keep him starting.
RE: I'm trying really hard to see why, I swear  
Jerry in DC : 10/22/2018 11:18 pm : link
In comment 14141872 jcn56 said:
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but I can't for the life of me understand why he'd go for 2 there.

I fully expected to see Rosas standing on crutches at that point.


Its the right move - just game out the scenarios when you're at work tomorrow. It substantially increases win probability.
RE: Two things come to mind  
short lease : 10/22/2018 11:18 pm : link
In comment 14141819 Anakim said:
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“We can’t win at home and we can’t win on the road. What we need is a neutral site.”



“What do you think of your team’s execution?”
“I’m in favor of it.”


Tampa Bay head coach ... I forgot his name but, he sure was funny.

"I told them I had a 5 year plan because I had a 5 year contract. If I had a 6 year contract it would have been a 6 year plan" ... he was the funniest - forgot his name though.
People will focus on the end of the fourth quarter,  
Go Terps : 10/22/2018 11:19 pm : link
but Shurmur's biggest management sin was at the end of the first half. He gifted Atlanta the three points by which we lost.

It's the third separate time this year off the top of my head that mismanagement cost us dearly.
...  
christian : 10/22/2018 11:19 pm : link
Shurmur is such a weird dude. He goes analytics on the 2 point conversions but can't kill the clock to end a half? He doesn't take points in a close game in the first half when his offense is incapable of scoring?

You have to balance your abilities, the math, and what you're looking to learn from your team.
This team is so bad and has  
GMEN46 : 10/22/2018 11:19 pm : link
So many holes they need to sell assets for picks before this deadline. They will have to go full rebuild. We are entering a period of at least 3 more years of mediocracy if the rebuild is done well, but I have no faith in gettleman so wouldn’t be surprised if it takes 5 more years. Mara is to blame for all of this.
I can see people being angry  
section125 : 10/22/2018 11:19 pm : link
at the 2 pt, but that isn't that bad.

I doubt that Shurmur called two QB sneaks...
RE: RE: Two things come to mind  
micky : 10/22/2018 11:19 pm : link
In comment 14141899 short lease said:
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In comment 14141819 Anakim said:


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“We can’t win at home and we can’t win on the road. What we need is a neutral site.”



“What do you think of your team’s execution?”
“I’m in favor of it.”



Tampa Bay head coach ... I forgot his name but, he sure was funny.

"I told them I had a 5 year plan because I had a 5 year contract. If I had a 6 year contract it would have been a 6 year plan" ... he was the funniest - forgot his name though.


McVeigh
OBJ still making nice plays and getting yards,  
Simms11 : 10/22/2018 11:19 pm : link
however, he looks tentative once he catches it. He needs to explode at that point, but when he slows down to attempt to make a move, get gang tackle him.
_________  
I am Ninja : 10/22/2018 11:20 pm : link
im a big fan of this chick on the msg postgame.
Shut up SVP  
short lease : 10/22/2018 11:20 pm : link
.
I would  
Paulie Walnuts : 10/22/2018 11:20 pm : link
Have kicked the FG in the first half.. btw i like Whitten hes smart
RE: OBJ still making nice plays and getting yards,  
jnoble : 10/22/2018 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14141911 Simms11 said:
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however, he looks tentative once he catches it. He needs to explode at that point, but when he slows down to attempt to make a move, get gang tackle him.


He should've been able to hold onto that 2 point conversion
Not even sure what to say anymore.  
bceagle05 : 10/22/2018 11:21 pm : link
A broken franchise.
RE: RE: RE: Two things come to mind  
short lease : 10/22/2018 11:21 pm : link
In comment 14141908 micky said:
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In comment 14141899 short lease said:


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In comment 14141819 Anakim said:


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“We can’t win at home and we can’t win on the road. What we need is a neutral site.”



“What do you think of your team’s execution?”
“I’m in favor of it.”



Tampa Bay head coach ... I forgot his name but, he sure was funny.

"I told them I had a 5 year plan because I had a 5 year contract. If I had a 6 year contract it would have been a 6 year plan" ... he was the funniest - forgot his name though.



McVeigh


Thank-you Micky ... that's him.
Everything  
AcidTest : 10/22/2018 11:21 pm : link
is bad, including the OL, Eli, Jenkins, WRs running the wrong routes, and poor ST.

This game was pretty much like every other one this year and last. Our OL is so bad that the other team can get pressure with just four or five, and drop everyone else back into coverage. We also can't run the ball.

Solder is awful. I'd seriously consider cutting him next year regardless of the cap hit. We aren't going to be competitive next year anyway. Might as well eat all the bad contracts all at once, and get them off the cap at the same time.

We have a generational RB and WR, and can't move the ball.

Eli's total lack of mobility magnifies the bad OL play. He's also skittish, and is quick to check down even when there is no pressure. He's done. I'd like to see Lauletta after the bye.
If the Giants get the #1 pick  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/22/2018 11:21 pm : link
TRADE DOWN

So many holes on this team.
The fire sale should begin now....  
Fishmanjim57 : 10/22/2018 11:21 pm : link
The trade deadline is coming on the 30th, so the Giants can clean house for high draft picks
_________  
I am Ninja : 10/22/2018 11:22 pm : link
surprised sb only had 94 total yds. seemed like he was moving the football virtually every play.
Eli missed a couple td throws in this game... Please play Lauletta  
Thinblueline : 10/22/2018 11:22 pm : link
And let see what we have in this kid... 9 games left should give us a good idea if we need to go QB in draft
RE: RE: Eli  
Jimmy Googs : 10/22/2018 11:23 pm : link
In comment 14141870 dep026 said:
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In comment 14141852 Giantophile said:


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is not giving us a chance to win. It's more than just Eli, but not making a change at this point seems crazy. We're 1-6 and our offense is a joke.



He threw for 400 yards.


Yay!
RE: The fire sale should begin now....  
AcidTest : 10/22/2018 11:23 pm : link
In comment 14141936 Fishmanjim57 said:
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The trade deadline is coming on the 30th, so the Giants can clean house for high draft picks


I would certainly consider trading just about anyone.
Things I've grown numb to:  
jnoble : 10/22/2018 11:23 pm : link
Defense can't force a punt late in the game when it really matters. Ever. Fucking EVER

Kickers can defy all the laws of physics and their own ability nailing impossibly long FGs against us.
23 -20  
short lease : 10/22/2018 11:23 pm : link
we lost but, at least it was a nail biter ....
Booger implying Eli  
St. Jimmy : 10/22/2018 11:23 pm : link
is senile.
Odell was open  
5BowlsSoon : 10/22/2018 11:24 pm : link
On that roll right. I can’t believe Eli didn’t lead him. Shurmur was pissed...you could read his lips....”throw to Odell...”
RE: RE: RE: RE: Two things come to mind  
Stufftherun : 10/22/2018 11:24 pm : link
In comment 14141929 short lease said:
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In comment 14141908 micky said:


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In comment 14141899 short lease said:


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In comment 14141819 Anakim said:


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“We can’t win at home and we can’t win on the road. What we need is a neutral site.”



“What do you think of your team’s execution?”
“I’m in favor of it.”



Tampa Bay head coach ... I forgot his name but, he sure was funny.

"I told them I had a 5 year plan because I had a 5 year contract. If I had a 6 year contract it would have been a 6 year plan" ... he was the funniest - forgot his name though.



McVeigh



Thank-you Micky ... that's him.


John McKay ...
RE: _________  
Paulie Walnuts : 10/22/2018 11:24 pm : link
In comment 14141916 I am Ninja said:
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im a big fan of this chick on the msg postgame.
Madeline Burke.. check out her Instagram
short leash  
NewBlue : 10/22/2018 11:24 pm : link
“What do you think of your team’s execution?”
“I’m in favor of it.”


Tampa Bay head coach ... I forgot his name but, he sure was funny.

"I told them I had a 5 year plan because I had a 5 year contract. If I had a 6 year contract it would have been a 6 year plan" ... he was the funniest - forgot his name though.

It was John McKay....BTW...I thoght you said goddnight after 7-0....not that I would have blamed you, I just like the torture
this game  
hassan : 10/22/2018 11:25 pm : link
was truly scary.

against a bad team, NYG adds two garbage tds. dysfunctional red zone execution. Horrendous play calling. No commit to Run.

COACH was a joke tonight.

OLine sucks.

if Eli called those sneaks shame on him. It does not really matter but just illustrates what a dumb and bad team this is. He was good at stat run ups between the twenties but did not play well in red zone.
Written pointed all game the receivers mistakes running  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/22/2018 11:26 pm : link
Routes.

And Booger’s babbling about Engram being a mismatch was behind annoying. Especially as he’s looking more bust like every game. Reese could have had either Ramczyk or Robinson instead. He’s a mismatch all right. Mismatched As a football player
Anybody read Shurm's lips when  
Marine One : 10/22/2018 11:26 pm : link
OBJ came off the field with under 5:00 in the 4th. "I know, you're open!" Eli is gonna sit, there's not much else left! At least Lauletta showed mobility in preseason! Cheeses, I don't even get pissed anymore, just numbing!
I miss the old man  
Paulie Walnuts : 10/22/2018 11:26 pm : link
.
How come they make  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/22/2018 11:27 pm : link
Papa, banks and cross hang out in the hallway?
Peyton won a Superbowl with a fused spine ,,,,  
short lease : 10/22/2018 11:27 pm : link
can Eli still win .... yeah, but everything has to be perfect around him. On this team - nothing is perfect around him.

Shut-up Shurmur - you sound like a robot.
Solder is not worth $  
5BowlsSoon : 10/22/2018 11:27 pm : link
Why was he better in NE?
Shurmur  
WillVAB : 10/22/2018 11:27 pm : link
His playcalling leaves a lot to be desired. He’s also made a lot of panic decisions that don’t make a lot of sense — going for 2, the 4th down calls in their own territory in Dallas, etc.

Just disappointed...I don’t see him out scheming anyone.
It is odd  
Andrew in Austin : 10/22/2018 11:28 pm : link
I just don't expect Odell to get large YAC this season. My expectations have gone from guaranteed YAC to pleasant surprise. Nearly the opposite expectation I have for Barkley.

That being said - our OL sucks. Barkley does everything on his own and Eli is going to get killed this year.

Interesting stat lines - very similar between both teams.
Maybe the moron owner will sanction an actual rebuild this time  
moespree : 10/22/2018 11:28 pm : link
It is what is needed. A total overhaul of the roster and start from scratch. At least you can stomach a young team with potential losing. But a team like is just a waste of time and money.
RE: I'm trying really hard to see why, I swear  
Ed A. : 10/22/2018 11:28 pm : link
In comment 14141872 jcn56 said:
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but I can't for the life of me understand why he'd go for 2 there.

I fully expected to see Rosas standing on crutches at that point.


Trying to set up a win by dropping the lead to 6 points. If the GOD damn refs would have called the holding that took place as the defender clearly held Odels arm, it would have happened.
RE: RE: Eli  
Dutch77 : 10/22/2018 11:28 pm : link
In comment 14141870 dep026 said:
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In comment 14141852 Giantophile said:


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is not giving us a chance to win. It's more than just Eli, but not making a change at this point seems crazy. We're 1-6 and our offense is a joke.



He threw for 400 yards.


Who Cares!
RE: RE: I'm trying really hard to see why, I swear  
jcn56 : 10/22/2018 11:28 pm : link
In comment 14141898 Jerry in DC said:
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In comment 14141872 jcn56 said:


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but I can't for the life of me understand why he'd go for 2 there.

I fully expected to see Rosas standing on crutches at that point.



Its the right move - just game out the scenarios when you're at work tomorrow. It substantially increases win probability.


In a vacuum, statistically - I'd say yes.

Given that the Giants are woefully inept in both short yardage and red zone situations - I'd say the analytics should drive you to kick the PAT and hope for a stop and a long scoring play.

I'm as big a fan of analytics as anyone, but I think they need to be driven by a team's strengths and weaknesses, not just league trends. The only way I saw it working in our case was if the D could conceivably get two stops, and we could somehow manage two FGs to tie it up. There wasn't enough time for that, and the D wasn't going to hold up regardless.
RE: RE: Eli  
Giantophile : 10/22/2018 11:29 pm : link
In comment 14141870 dep026 said:
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In comment 14141852 Giantophile said:


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is not giving us a chance to win. It's more than just Eli, but not making a change at this point seems crazy. We're 1-6 and our offense is a joke.


He threw for 400 yards.


So what? Stats are only one part of it, and often a meaningless part. It wasn't nearly good enough.

If you're happy with the product the Giants offense put out because they threw for 400 against a shit D with a lead then it's a lost cause.
RE: Eli  
Dutch77 : 10/22/2018 11:29 pm : link
In comment 14141881 Jerry in DC said:
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Did throw for 399 yards. Granted a lot of dump offs and some garbage time, but it's still a lot of yards.


Again, who cares! How many TD's is throwing?
RE: Solder is not worth $  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/22/2018 11:29 pm : link
In comment 14142004 5BowlsSoon said:
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Why was he better in NE?
m

Um Brady and Belichick. And they let him walk because he’s cooked. Gentlemen Missed on Norwell and panicked. Solder is done and they are beyond fucked w that contract
RE: Written pointed all game the receivers mistakes running  
AcidTest : 10/22/2018 11:29 pm : link
In comment 14141989 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Routes.

And Booger’s babbling about Engram being a mismatch was behind annoying. Especially as he’s looking more bust like every game. Reese could have had either Ramczyk or Robinson instead. He’s a mismatch all right. Mismatched As a football player


My recollection is that the Falcons desperately wanted Engram, and tried to trade up with the Giants to get him, but Reese refused.
_________  
I am Ninja : 10/22/2018 11:29 pm : link
carl banks is really smart
I enjoy  
Paulie Walnuts : 10/22/2018 11:30 pm : link
Talking Golf with Papa
Engram looks lost  
5BowlsSoon : 10/22/2018 11:30 pm : link
Figures
RE: short leash  
short lease : 10/22/2018 11:30 pm : link
In comment 14141965 NewBlue said:
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“What do you think of your team’s execution?”
“I’m in favor of it.”


Tampa Bay head coach ... I forgot his name but, he sure was funny.

"I told them I had a 5 year plan because I had a 5 year contract. If I had a 6 year contract it would have been a 6 year plan" ... he was the funniest - forgot his name though.

It was John McKay....BTW...I thoght you said goddnight after 7-0....not that I would have blamed you, I just like the torture


Mckay, McVeigh ... Tomatoe, Tamato as a Giants fan did you really think I was going to turn the game off and go to sleep?


How dare you .... : )
RE: OBJ still making nice plays and getting yards,  
Dutch77 : 10/22/2018 11:30 pm : link
In comment 14141911 Simms11 said:
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however, he looks tentative once he catches it. He needs to explode at that point, but when he slows down to attempt to make a move, get gang tackle him.


What's your point?
RE: Booger implying Eli  
Dutch77 : 10/22/2018 11:31 pm : link
In comment 14141957 St. Jimmy said:
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is senile.


He's right.
RE: _________  
jnoble : 10/22/2018 11:31 pm : link
In comment 14142034 I am Ninja said:
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carl banks is really smart


His outdated glasses frames are enraging
RE: People will focus on the end of the fourth quarter,  
Dutch77 : 10/22/2018 11:32 pm : link
In comment 14141903 Go Terps said:
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but Shurmur's biggest management sin was at the end of the first half. He gifted Atlanta the three points by which we lost.

It's the third separate time this year off the top of my head that mismanagement cost us dearly.


Regardless of the mismanagement of the game. How many games are we winning when the QB throws 1 TD per game?
RE: RE: Written pointed all game the receivers mistakes running  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/22/2018 11:32 pm : link
In comment 14142032 AcidTest said:
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In comment 14141989 LauderdaleMatty said:


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Routes.

And Booger’s babbling about Engram being a mismatch was behind annoying. Especially as he’s looking more bust like every game. Reese could have had either Ramczyk or Robinson instead. He’s a mismatch all right. Mismatched As a football player



My recollection is that the Falcons desperately wanted Engram, and tried to trade up with the Giants to get him, but Reese refused.


I don’t recall that but it goes without saying that Engram is another Athlete more than Football player. Par for the course
Bring back Phil  
Paulie Walnuts : 10/22/2018 11:33 pm : link
He can take a hit and he needs one TD pass to get to 200 career
I think Shurmur is trying to lead them by being aggressive  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/22/2018 11:33 pm : link
But the talent is not there so it constantly fails.
RE: Solder is not worth $  
short lease : 10/22/2018 11:35 pm : link
In comment 14142004 5BowlsSoon said:
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Why was he better in NE?


Because people (players) are afraid of that fucking gangster .. (Belichick).

Make no mistake about it ..... 6'5" 325 pounders are afraid of that fucking midget. That what makes a good head coach.
RE: RE: OBJ still making nice plays and getting yards,  
Simms11 : 10/22/2018 11:37 pm : link
In comment 14142041 Dutch77 said:
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In comment 14141911 Simms11 said:


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however, he looks tentative once he catches it. He needs to explode at that point, but when he slows down to attempt to make a move, get gang tackle him.



What's your point?


Point is he’s not getting those big game changing plays and scoring TDs
RE: RE: Eli  
ajr2456 : 10/22/2018 11:38 pm : link
In comment 14141870 dep026 said:
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In comment 14141852 Giantophile said:


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is not giving us a chance to win. It's more than just Eli, but not making a change at this point seems crazy. We're 1-6 and our offense is a joke.



He threw for 400 yards.


You can’t posdibly look at this game and say he played well.

A lot of plays left out there.
Shurmur sounded like he is setting up to bench Eli  
St. Jimmy : 10/22/2018 11:38 pm : link
with the QB sneak answers in the post game. Basically saying Eli needs to get it done there.
RE: I think Shurmur is trying to lead them by being aggressive  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/22/2018 11:39 pm : link
In comment 14142075 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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But the talent is not there so it constantly fails.


Wow he is saying as much
With the way things are going  
Matt M. : 10/22/2018 11:43 pm : link
would it shock anyone to see the Giants secure the #1 pick and then proceed to select some obscure RG from a lesser program or some equivalent?
RE: With the way things are going  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/22/2018 11:44 pm : link
In comment 14142137 Matt M. said:
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would it shock anyone to see the Giants secure the #1 pick and then proceed to select some obscure RG from a lesser program or some equivalent?


Not with this GM. You'd think this season would humble some of his arrogance, but I doubt it.
Lost in the shotstorm  
Matt M. : 10/22/2018 11:45 pm : link
is Barkley fell 6 yards short of another game with 100 yards from scrimmage.
RE: With the way things are going  
jcn56 : 10/22/2018 11:45 pm : link
In comment 14142137 Matt M. said:
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would it shock anyone to see the Giants secure the #1 pick and then proceed to select some obscure RG from a lesser program or some equivalent?


I think so little of the Giants FO, I wouldn't be surprised if they traded the #1 overall pick for Derek Carr.
Shurmur is a stiff  
HomerJones45 : 10/22/2018 11:45 pm : link
There's a reason he was canned in Cleveland and passed over several times. The stunted branch on the Reid coaching tree.
RE: Lost in the shotstorm  
Anakim : 10/22/2018 11:45 pm : link
In comment 14142151 Matt M. said:
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is Barkley fell 6 yards short of another game with 100 yards from scrimmage.


Hell, I'm surprised he got 94 after running behind that sorry sack of losers called an Offensive Line.
RE: RE: With the way things are going  
Anakim : 10/22/2018 11:46 pm : link
In comment 14142152 jcn56 said:
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would it shock anyone to see the Giants secure the #1 pick and then proceed to select some obscure RG from a lesser program or some equivalent?



I think so little of the Giants FO, I wouldn't be surprised if they traded the #1 overall pick for Derek Carr.


FOH. Derek Carr is not worth the #1 overall pick. Not in any universe.
RE: RE: Written pointed all game the receivers mistakes running  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/22/2018 11:47 pm : link



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My recollection is that the Falcons desperately wanted Engram, and tried to trade up with the Giants to get him, but Reese refused.


Sounds like a typical Reese brag about how fucking smart he was to draft somebody and how fucking smart he was for not trading down.
RE: Eli  
djm : 10/22/2018 11:47 pm : link
In comment 14141852 Giantophile said:
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is not giving us a chance to win. It's more than just Eli, but not making a change at this point seems crazy. We're 1-6 and our offense is a joke.


I’m shocked at how people either refuse or just can’t see it. Eli is worthless now. He literally brings nothing to the table anymore. He completes about 7-10 nice passes a game. Leaves about 7-10 passes or plays on the field every game. Doesn’t beat 90% of any and all pressure types and now, this latest version (17-18) almost refuses to take any shots when their are plays to be made. Eli now looks not only shellshocked but neutered as well.

Yes the ol sucks. So does Eli now. We need to accept it. Hopefully the giants will.
Eli Apple is a holding machine  
gtt350 : 10/22/2018 11:48 pm : link
just terrible
don't trade for your next QB  
bluepepper : 10/22/2018 11:48 pm : link
half the point of drafting a guy is getting a starting QB at bargain rates. You'd have to pay Carr or Bridgewater or Mariota or whomever you're project is.
RE: Eli Apple is a holding machine  
jnoble : 10/22/2018 11:50 pm : link
In comment 14142172 gtt350 said:
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just terrible


Holding is what he does best
RE: RE: RE: Written pointed all game the receivers mistakes running  
AcidTest : 10/22/2018 11:53 pm : link
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Routes.

And Booger’s babbling about Engram being a mismatch was behind annoying. Especially as he’s looking more bust like every game. Reese could have had either Ramczyk or Robinson instead. He’s a mismatch all right. Mismatched As a football player



My recollection is that the Falcons desperately wanted Engram, and tried to trade up with the Giants to get him, but Reese refused.



I don’t recall that but it goes without saying that Engram is another Athlete more than Football player. Par for the course


This is what I found:

"The Giants opted to select Evan Engram over David Njoku, doing so despite the Miami product receiving a bit more pre-draft hype, and that pick was viewed by some as a reach. But Vacchiano notes buzz swirled about a team trying to trade up in front of the Giants to select Engram, identifying the Bills and Falcons as interested suitors. The Browns traded back into the first round to take Njoku, so they may have been in on this pursuit as well. Njoku was scheduled to visit the Giants earlier this month, but the team cancelled the meeting.

A jump in front of the Buccaneers or Broncos for the right to take O.J. Howard, whom the Giants “loved,” or Bolles would have cost the team a third-round pick, Vacchiano reports. The Giants stood tight at 23, viewing Engram and third-round pick Davis Webb as a better package than either Howard or Bolles."
Shurmur mocking reporters  
VinegarPeppers : 10/22/2018 11:55 pm : link
Laughing. He’s so adult he doesn’t much gives shit, it seems.

Worst OL in the 52 years I’m watching. No other OL is close to this bad.
Engram's fine  
bluepepper : 10/22/2018 11:57 pm : link
the problem with the pick is that we desperately need OL help. The CW was it was a terrible year for OT but Robinson and Ramczyk were there and the need was so great that we should have taken one or the other even if we had only a 2nd round grades on them. Eff the value charts - you're building a team and the draft is one of the few ways to upgrade positions of need.
Can We Run The Damn Ball!!!  
Larry in Pencilvania : 10/23/2018 12:01 am : link
Not this token shit. Run the ball constantly. Not once in a while
RE: Shurmur mocking reporters  
HomerJones45 : 10/23/2018 12:02 am : link
In comment 14142226 VinegarPeppers said:
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Laughing. He’s so adult he doesn’t much gives shit, it seems.

Worst OL in the 52 years I’m watching. No other OL is close to this bad.
51 years here and yes, these guys are comically bad.
Didn't watch but papa and Banks were a great listen ..  
Bluesbreaker : 10/23/2018 12:04 am : link
So we have many issues to address on offense when you have
a back like Barkley you can now build around . Acid Test Can't cut Soldier until you replace him period .
Almost have to cluster draft the O-line need cap space and picks I would look at the Best Center in the draft and A LT high round 1-2 .Unless the QB is here .Even then you can't throw a rookie behind this mess .
If they were smart they would move on from a few players
and get some picks . people mentioned Shepard Keep Shepard and move on from Engram . Get a couple of TE's with Size
that can block .
Defense in dire need of a Free Safety and linebackers .
Look at a guy thats like 6'3" 220-230 with speed .A tackling machine . Another CB with speed .
I don''t know about most of you coach Shurmur seems unsure of himself had problems most of the season with the clock
and the red-zone is like the dead zone . first down on the two yard line Barkley gets 3 touches then settle for
the field goal but I see little imagination used in this game should have been won no excuse .
for it . Anyways it's grin and bear it till free agency what a bitch of a season it's like groundhog day .
RE: RE: RE: OBJ still making nice plays and getting yards,  
Dutch77 : 10/23/2018 12:05 am : link
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however, he looks tentative once he catches it. He needs to explode at that point, but when he slows down to attempt to make a move, get gang tackle him.



What's your point?



Point is he’s not getting those big game changing plays and scoring TDs



Believe it or not he ca't out run everybody. How about asking why the QB can't seem to score in the Red Zone.
The schedule the rest of the way isn’t as daunting  
The_Boss : 10/23/2018 12:06 am : link
I don’t expect to finish 1-15. But 1-6 sunk us rendering the rest of the season meaningless. Hopefully Mara realizes the franchise is far removed from being respectable and stops advocating for short term fixes and band aids. This whole thing stinks. From him down.
At least the new punt returner  
Larry in Pencilvania : 10/23/2018 12:07 am : link
Didn't muff a punt
RE: The schedule the rest of the way isn’t as daunting  
Larry in Pencilvania : 10/23/2018 12:08 am : link
In comment 14142284 The_Boss said:
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I don’t expect to finish 1-15. But 1-6 sunk us rendering the rest of the season meaningless. Hopefully Mara realizes the franchise is far removed from being respectable and stops advocating for short term fixes and band aids. This whole thing stinks. From him down.


Meh... We're the Knicks
The Two QB Sneaks -- Eli  
clatterbuck : 10/23/2018 12:19 am : link
or Shurmur?
Eli vs. Oline  
AdamBrag : 10/23/2018 12:55 am : link
So far this season, Eli is an above average QB when there is a clean pocket. He's the worst QB in the NFl when he's under pressure.

Combining the two is a major problem.
RE: At least the new punt returner  
Matt M. : 10/23/2018 1:05 am : link
In comment 14142289 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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Didn't muff a punt
I actually liked what I saw of him.
Lost another close game  
bc4life : 10/23/2018 7:19 am : link
Giants were in this one for entire time.

Falcon team has been underachieving. They have a good offense. Giants did a pretty decent job for most of the game.

The weaknesses continue to hurt them. OLine and Free Safety play. Thought the OLine settled down a bit in the second half.

End of game mind freezes - puzzling. First, QB sneak wuold have been OK. Think Eli wanted to do it quickly Hernandez on the second sneak was 5 yeard upfield. He's going to be very good. I will be interested in hearing about Wheeler's development. If Solder is going to continue to struggle - could they switch him and Wheeler, a more natural LT.

Blow it up and rebuild is idiotic in my opinion. Team has a lot of talent but the problems, especially the OLine continue. I think Eli has a year or two left. Immobile or not, 4 sacks in 1st half, not to mention the hurries - tough to win that way.

Giants are competung, but they continue to make mistakes in close games and they aren't good enough to overcome them.
Remember what I said at the beginning of the year?  
cznmike : 10/23/2018 7:25 am : link
Probably not...

Offensive Line Coach Hal Hunter

Look up his OL's fantastic stats everywhere he's coached. That was the reason he was unemployed last year...

Shit coaches make for shit units.
RE: Hunter  
bc4life : 10/23/2018 7:38 am : link
Like to give everyone time for fair evaluation - but, not unreasonable to question whether he is right man for the job.
RE: Remember what I said at the beginning of the year?  
Gmen1982 : 10/23/2018 8:34 am : link
In comment 14142533 cznmike said:
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Probably not...

Offensive Line Coach Hal Hunter

Look up his OL's fantastic stats everywhere he's coached. That was the reason he was unemployed last year...

Shit coaches make for shit units.


I think shit players is more of the culprit.
RE: RE: Hunter  
Rflairr : 10/23/2018 10:12 am : link
In comment 14142562 bc4life said:
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Like to give everyone time for fair evaluation - but, not unreasonable to question whether he is right man for the job.


Guy was bad in his previous job. Why would we think he would be better here?
bc4life  
hassan : 10/23/2018 10:58 am : link
this game was not that competitive. it was 20–6 in middle of 4th. score for close due to garbage time.

This team has a terrible offense unit and average at best d. terrible specials.

it’s not a good team and is a rebuild which may not take wins but will need to take the rest of this year and next with a new qb.

if eli plays next year on this team there will be a mutiny. many will stop watching.
re-watch the game  
bc4life : 10/23/2018 11:11 am : link
It's nota terrible offense team personnel wise. It's an offense that struggles to execute because of a weak OLine.

They should have had TD instead of FG but OBJ didn't run to right spot.

If anybody is that big of a fucking baby to stop watching because Eli returns - they shouldn't be watching in the 1st place.

He had 399 yards, and looked better when he had the protection. He's not the future but has some years left.
bc  
hassan : 10/23/2018 11:40 am : link
i’m sorry i watched. so what they threw a ton? they were deplorable in red zone. as papa said an insurmountable 7 point lead. how many yards were in last 7 minutes?

nyg has to sell hope. i am willing to watch a 3-13 rebuild done right. i don’t know how i would feel watching another season in a no hope for future qb decision or a half measures tear down we have gotten for some time.
btw bc4life  
hassan : 10/23/2018 11:43 am : link
i agree with you on skill position talent clearly they have some. i disagree with your assesssment of manning. he was a contributor to this loss far from most guilty though. he’s been worse than last night several times this year.
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