He knows Hog Mollies and knows when to throw money at them.
Shurmur, we'll see.
Like Solder who is as much a turnstile as Flowers? Great draft
But Solder Ogletree Stewart and Omaneh have all disasters. That Solder contract is worse than the JPP one that Reese gave.
Gentleman and Shurmur get another year. The 900 threads on Eli are messed up. He’s been meh but Whitten must have pointed out 30. Ad routes run but the receivers. Beckham included.
Hernandez is not looking like the stud we thought he would be.....he is not a hog in the run game, and he has more than his share of problems in pass protection...
Two guys drafted, not even playing...and the rest that are playing, are doing nothing....
that if you don’t trust the regime to be part of the solution in 3 years, don’t waste your time. Why does Mara need to give these guys another year? DG was likely hired on the plan to compete this year with Eli. This has failed tremendously.
Gettleman has shown an inability to evaluate the talent on the team, and in free agency.
Solder has been terrible. The Stewart and Omameh signings aren't going to kill a team, but the fact that he thought those guy could contribute is worrisome. I don't care that the individual signings didn't work out, but the fact that none of his free agency moves have made the team better is extremely worrying.
Its really upsetting to me that he, and the rest of the front office are going to be making the decisions with another high draft pick and a lot of cap space. This team is just as bad as lat year. I never expected them to be good this year, but I expected them to at least be better than last year.
The regime’s two major offseason items were QB and Oline. DG and co seriously overestimated Eli’s remaining ability and looked to have given an albatross contract to a LT who looks all but finished in this league.
I am very skeptical of a GM who immediately eschews analytics for his “gut” feeling in the modern NFL. My gravest concern is that we’ll see a large investment in someone like a Derek Carr, Teddy Bridgewater, or Nick Foles next year because the regime doesn’t want to invest in a top young qb, if available in 2019 (assuming Herbert declares) on the false pretense that the team can compete with a mediocre qb.
Right now the early returns on this regime are poor. However, I’m not sure that you can pull the plug after one season.
RE: RE: They should both be looking for jobs in 3 months Â
Trouble is, the guys whose job it is to hire front office personnel don't seem to perform that job any better than Gettleman and Shurmur do theirs.
I think this all boils down to Eli. Mara is chasing Eli’s final years & he’s trying to correct last years mistake (although I don’t think it was a mistake). It’s very tough to manage/coach declining franchise stars. We need outside blood, desperately.
The coach and the GM are pretty incompetent. I'm watching the post game and can't believe some of the other idiots on TV thought the 2pt conversion call was fine or even good.
Unbelievable. And the thing is-- the coach is too incompetent to understand how dumb it is to do this.
**I'm holding out hope that maybe they're smart and they planned on stinking so bad this year that they'll get a QB in the draft that ends up extremely highly rated. Sadly, I know that the GM and coach aren't doing this.
He knows Hog Mollies and knows when to throw money at them.
You'd be hard pressed to find evidence of that with this roster.
I know it was sarcasm. Gettleman was terrible in FA. We'll see about the draft. Barkley is a great runningback. Hernandez has looked good at times. We'll see about everyone else. QB is the big question mark which if you don't have an answer for than you do not have anytbing.
About the draft. Keep reading here about how great a draft Gettleman had this year. We can argue if Barkley was the right guy though no one can question his ability. Hernandez looks like crap, the two third rounders we really don't know if they are going to be JAGS or players? We haven't dressed our 4th round pick yet and the 5th round player is just starting to practice. That's a great draft? Barkley and a bunch of question marks? Let's not even get into Gettleman's ineptitude in the free agent market. I sincerely hope that Gettleman has beaten cancer but has decided to spend more time with his family and resigns.
About the draft. Keep reading here about how great a draft Gettleman had this year. We can argue if Barkley was the right guy though no one can question his ability. Hernandez looks like crap, the two third rounders we really don't know if they are going to be JAGS or players?
Hernandez hasn't been bad and Hill is obviously better than a JAG. Not sure where you're getting that from. And I'm in no rush to say anything good about this GM.
Shurmur is in over his head and Gettleman is a Luddite joke.
John Mara needs to open his fucking eyes and understand that the '80s are over.
Lol i’m glad I started a trend of calling Gettleman a Luddite! The real question is does Mars know what a Luddite is? That might be a start.
I feel like the giants brass might need a corny PowerPoint presentation or infomercial called “technology and you!” or is there a technology for dummies?
I would have to read the 538 article on going for 2 they just posted but was thinking about writing something tomorrow if I have time. Not cut and dry either way I don’t think. However shurmurs press conference “you increase your chance of winning by 50%” even with his explanation was horrible to witness. I feel like it could only be more laughable if someone with video editing skills had Gettleman typing on his fake keyboard in the background of the clip. Quite the brain trust we have here!
I will agree with you about Hill but Hernandez has not looked good and is hardly the road grader that he was made out to be. How many sacks has he been responsible for already this year? I don't know the answer but I would say too many.I think you would agree that is is far too early to call the past draft as great.
About the draft. Keep reading here about how great a draft Gettleman had this year. We can argue if Barkley was the right guy though no one can question his ability. Hernandez looks like crap, the two third rounders we really don't know if they are going to be JAGS or players? We haven't dressed our 4th round pick yet and the 5th round player is just starting to practice. That's a great draft? Barkley and a bunch of question marks? Let's not even get into Gettleman's ineptitude in the free agent market. I sincerely hope that Gettleman has beaten cancer but has decided to spend more time with his family and resigns.
Year 1 there are great returns. Barkley is Barkley, as he should be given his position and draft slotting.
Hernandez had a bad game tonight but up until this point, he has been our best OL and by most objective measures, the best rookie OL in the NFL this year. Hill has been consistently solid while Carter has flashed. Those are big returns in the first year. Especially when given realistic expectations, as most fans do not have those with draft picks, especially after the first round.
I have faith in DG in terms of talent evaluation. My concerns with him are in roster building, resource allocation and general forward thinking.
Shurmur sounded like a guy that took intro to statistics Â
and after the first class thinks he can make all of his decisions using it.
I had Raison bran today because it is 27% healthier for my heart!!
Meanwhile the Astros have been hiring minor league managers with database skills for years. Our “rising star” in analytics doesn’t even reflect database skills on his LinkedIn.
“Maths” as some here like to call it are not to be used randomly and haphazardly when you are desperate. It’s why it’s ridiculous to not have Beckham or Barkley returning the last punt in the Jacksonville game but later in the season you put him back there a whole game. Math benefits you when you use it to be consistent and you are prepared to trust it over time. People that know how to leverage math correctly think if I’m
doing it this way I have to keep doing it to pay dividends.
The heart of team's problems is the OL, and there was no way we were going to fix that problem in just one season. Solder is turning out to be a bad signing, but we really had no alternatives, unless you wanted another year of Flowers at LT. His contract sucks, but again, we had little choice - Solder knew his market value and our situation just as well as we did.
Did you forget about Omameh? How about Stewart? Trade for Ogletree? This team had tons of injuries last season and won only three games. Did you possibly think that with everyone healthy,a Dave Gettleman draft, and Dave Gettleman free agent signings that this team is possibily worse?
The heart of team's problems is the OL, and there was no way we were going to fix that problem in just one season. Solder is turning out to be a bad signing, but we really had no alternatives, unless you wanted another year of Flowers at LT. His contract sucks, but again, we had little choice - Solder knew his market value and our situation just as well as we did.
This isn't true. COuld have made a run at Hubbard and tried him for LT. And what about the Pats trading for Trent Brown? He's doing okay. ANd both guys are young.
They both can get fired as far as i'm concerned... Â
But Gentleman is the wrong person at the wrong time for this organization. He’s too attached to the “Giants Way” disease.
This is a watershed moment for Jints Central. They need to severe ties with all things the “Giants Way” and really blow things up this time - new people, new servers, new systems, new carpet, new wall art, etc.
Mara’s back to the future move was an unmitigated disaster...
One thing's for sure. With the notable exception of drafting Â
His two FA starters were mistakes.
^This. But we need a GM who bats better than .500.
Shurmur, we'll see.
You'd be hard pressed to find evidence of that with this roster.
Yeah he did great with Solder and Omameh. I think he actually downgraded the line with those two.
[quote] but not so great in FA. [/quote
They had the second pick in every round. Hard to botch that. Hernandez does not look like a game changer to me yet.
HC looks completely lost and over his head.
LOFL
Shurmur can coach.
They'll have a respectable product by year's end.
John Mara needs to open his fucking eyes and understand that the '80s are over.
Shurmur, we'll see.
Like Solder who is as much a turnstile as Flowers? Great draft
But Solder Ogletree Stewart and Omaneh have all disasters. That Solder contract is worse than the JPP one that Reese gave.
Gentleman and Shurmur get another year. The 900 threads on Eli are messed up. He’s been meh but Whitten must have pointed out 30. Ad routes run but the receivers. Beckham included.
Hernandez is not looking like the stud we thought he would be.....he is not a hog in the run game, and he has more than his share of problems in pass protection...
Two guys drafted, not even playing...and the rest that are playing, are doing nothing....
Solder has been terrible. The Stewart and Omameh signings aren't going to kill a team, but the fact that he thought those guy could contribute is worrisome. I don't care that the individual signings didn't work out, but the fact that none of his free agency moves have made the team better is extremely worrying.
Its really upsetting to me that he, and the rest of the front office are going to be making the decisions with another high draft pick and a lot of cap space. This team is just as bad as lat year. I never expected them to be good this year, but I expected them to at least be better than last year.
Trouble is, the guys whose job it is to hire front office personnel don't seem to perform that job any better than Gettleman and Shurmur do theirs.
I am very skeptical of a GM who immediately eschews analytics for his “gut” feeling in the modern NFL. My gravest concern is that we’ll see a large investment in someone like a Derek Carr, Teddy Bridgewater, or Nick Foles next year because the regime doesn’t want to invest in a top young qb, if available in 2019 (assuming Herbert declares) on the false pretense that the team can compete with a mediocre qb.
Right now the early returns on this regime are poor. However, I’m not sure that you can pull the plug after one season.
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Trouble is, the guys whose job it is to hire front office personnel don't seem to perform that job any better than Gettleman and Shurmur do theirs.
I think this all boils down to Eli. Mara is chasing Eli’s final years & he’s trying to correct last years mistake (although I don’t think it was a mistake). It’s very tough to manage/coach declining franchise stars. We need outside blood, desperately.
Unbelievable. And the thing is-- the coach is too incompetent to understand how dumb it is to do this.
**I'm holding out hope that maybe they're smart and they planned on stinking so bad this year that they'll get a QB in the draft that ends up extremely highly rated. Sadly, I know that the GM and coach aren't doing this.
I m afraid their solution for the next quarterback is to find the next Case Keenan
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He knows Hog Mollies and knows when to throw money at them.
You'd be hard pressed to find evidence of that with this roster.
QB in 2020.
QB in 2020.
Oh good. Another 3 win season. Thanks for signing us up for that.
Hernandez hasn't been bad and Hill is obviously better than a JAG. Not sure where you're getting that from. And I'm in no rush to say anything good about this GM.
John Mara needs to open his fucking eyes and understand that the '80s are over.
Lol i’m glad I started a trend of calling Gettleman a Luddite! The real question is does Mars know what a Luddite is? That might be a start.
I feel like the giants brass might need a corny PowerPoint presentation or infomercial called “technology and you!” or is there a technology for dummies?
I would have to read the 538 article on going for 2 they just posted but was thinking about writing something tomorrow if I have time. Not cut and dry either way I don’t think. However shurmurs press conference “you increase your chance of winning by 50%” even with his explanation was horrible to witness. I feel like it could only be more laughable if someone with video editing skills had Gettleman typing on his fake keyboard in the background of the clip. Quite the brain trust we have here!
And schurmur's math
Going forward
Year 1 there are great returns. Barkley is Barkley, as he should be given his position and draft slotting.
Hernandez had a bad game tonight but up until this point, he has been our best OL and by most objective measures, the best rookie OL in the NFL this year. Hill has been consistently solid while Carter has flashed. Those are big returns in the first year. Especially when given realistic expectations, as most fans do not have those with draft picks, especially after the first round.
I have faith in DG in terms of talent evaluation. My concerns with him are in roster building, resource allocation and general forward thinking.
I had Raison bran today because it is 27% healthier for my heart!!
Meanwhile the Astros have been hiring minor league managers with database skills for years. Our “rising star” in analytics doesn’t even reflect database skills on his LinkedIn.
“Maths” as some here like to call it are not to be used randomly and haphazardly when you are desperate. It’s why it’s ridiculous to not have Beckham or Barkley returning the last punt in the Jacksonville game but later in the season you put him back there a whole game. Math benefits you when you use it to be consistent and you are prepared to trust it over time. People that know how to leverage math correctly think if I’m
doing it this way I have to keep doing it to pay dividends.
Correct
This isn't true. COuld have made a run at Hubbard and tried him for LT. And what about the Pats trading for Trent Brown? He's doing okay. ANd both guys are young.
Why? What sort of reputation or past success earns them the right to deserve more chances?
They are in just about every game, despite a really bad OLine.
This is a watershed moment for Jints Central. They need to severe ties with all things the “Giants Way” and really blow things up this time - new people, new servers, new systems, new carpet, new wall art, etc.
Mara’s back to the future move was an unmitigated disaster...