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Are you really confident in Gettleman/Shurmur going forward?

Sean : 10/22/2018 11:22 pm
Do you see them being here 3 years from now as part of the solution?

If yes, why? What have you seen?

This is the same regime during the evaluation process said Eli has “years” left. That alone is fucking alarming.
the move looks terrible right now  
antdog24 : 10/22/2018 11:24 pm : link
but they deserve at least another year to turn it around.
No  
KWhite2250 : 10/22/2018 11:24 pm : link
And the owner sucks balls too. Jerry Jones/Al Davis in the making
No  
Danny Kanell : 10/22/2018 11:24 pm : link
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Yes  
section125 : 10/22/2018 11:26 pm : link
I do.
NO  
Doomster : 10/22/2018 11:26 pm : link
and I don't mean New Orleans....
Gettleman had a great draft.  
madgiantscow009 : 10/22/2018 11:26 pm : link
but not so great in FA.
If they continue  
family progtitioner : 10/22/2018 11:26 pm : link
Trotting out old Eli and don’t draft a qb next year, it’s a bad sign.

If Eli get benched ASAP  
mvftw : 10/22/2018 11:27 pm : link
Then maybe they can turn it around...
Yes  
BigBlueinDE : 10/22/2018 11:27 pm : link
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More worried about DG  
Jay in Toronto : 10/22/2018 11:27 pm : link
His areas of expertise is supposed to be Hogmollies.

His two FA starters were mistakes.
RE: Gettleman had a great draft.  
AcidTest : 10/22/2018 11:27 pm : link
In comment 14141990 madgiantscow009 said:
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but not so great in FA.


^This. But we need a GM who bats better than .500.
Only if they hire  
B in ALB : 10/22/2018 11:28 pm : link
Lil Yachty as the VP of Football Amazingness.
Yes for Getts.  
St. Jimmy : 10/22/2018 11:29 pm : link
He knows Hog Mollies and knows when to throw money at them.

Shurmur, we'll see.
They should both be looking for jobs in 3 months  
Go Terps : 10/22/2018 11:29 pm : link
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RE: Yes for Getts.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/22/2018 11:29 pm : link
In comment 14142025 St. Jimmy said:
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He knows Hog Mollies and knows when to throw money at them.



You'd be hard pressed to find evidence of that with this roster.
Wasn't before, and I'm even less confident in them now  
jcn56 : 10/22/2018 11:30 pm : link
Look at tonight's game for example, and remember what we paid Solder and Omameh. One didn't play, and one shouldn't have played.
RE: Yes for Getts.  
moespree : 10/22/2018 11:30 pm : link
In comment 14142025 St. Jimmy said:
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He knows Hog Mollies and knows when to throw money at them.


Yeah he did great with Solder and Omameh. I think he actually downgraded the line with those two.
No...  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/22/2018 11:30 pm : link
..but I'm drunk and angry so I reserve the right to amend my answer tomorrow.
RE: Gettleman had a great draft.  
lecky : 10/22/2018 11:31 pm : link
In comment 14141990 madgiantscow009 said:
[quote] but not so great in FA. [/quote

They had the second pick in every round. Hard to botch that. Hernandez does not look like a game changer to me yet.
Not at all  
Justlurking : 10/22/2018 11:31 pm : link
GM doesn’t believe in analytics and his FA signings have been horrific.
HC looks completely lost and over his head.
No  
Foobarbaz : 10/22/2018 11:31 pm : link
I don't trust a guy from Boston running a NY team
RE: Only if they hire  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/22/2018 11:31 pm : link
In comment 14142010 B in ALB said:
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Lil Yachty as the VP of Football Amazingness.


LOFL
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Foobarbaz : 10/22/2018 11:34 pm : link
Giants should've got Grudan so he could get rid of this whole sorry team for a bunch of 1st.
Yes  
mako J : 10/22/2018 11:37 pm : link
Gettleman got some pieces this year and will keep building the trenches.

Shurmur can coach.

They'll have a respectable product by year's end.
Afraid Not  
Percy : 10/22/2018 11:39 pm : link
But would rather be dead wrong.
.  
Go Terps : 10/22/2018 11:42 pm : link
Shurmur is in over his head and Gettleman is a Luddite joke.

John Mara needs to open his fucking eyes and understand that the '80s are over.
RE: Yes for Getts.  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/22/2018 11:42 pm : link
In comment 14142025 St. Jimmy said:
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He knows Hog Mollies and knows when to throw money at them.

Shurmur, we'll see.


Like Solder who is as much a turnstile as Flowers? Great draft
But Solder Ogletree Stewart and Omaneh have all disasters. That Solder contract is worse than the JPP one that Reese gave.

Gentleman and Shurmur get another year. The 900 threads on Eli are messed up. He’s been meh but Whitten must have pointed out 30. Ad routes run but the receivers. Beckham included.
I was never confident in them from the drop  
The_Boss : 10/22/2018 11:44 pm : link
I said as much after they incorrectly determined Eli has years left in the tank. I immediately knew we were doomed.
Nope.  
rocco8112 : 10/22/2018 11:45 pm : link
Team looks same as last year
Great Draft?  
Doomster : 10/22/2018 11:46 pm : link
SB was a no brainer with the 2nd pick....

Hernandez is not looking like the stud we thought he would be.....he is not a hog in the run game, and he has more than his share of problems in pass protection...

Two guys drafted, not even playing...and the rest that are playing, are doing nothing....
Michael Lombardi made the point on the Ringer..  
Sean : 10/22/2018 11:47 pm : link
that if you don’t trust the regime to be part of the solution in 3 years, don’t waste your time. Why does Mara need to give these guys another year? DG was likely hired on the plan to compete this year with Eli. This has failed tremendously.
Absolutely not  
Blue The Dog : 10/22/2018 11:48 pm : link
Gettleman has shown an inability to evaluate the talent on the team, and in free agency.

Solder has been terrible. The Stewart and Omameh signings aren't going to kill a team, but the fact that he thought those guy could contribute is worrisome. I don't care that the individual signings didn't work out, but the fact that none of his free agency moves have made the team better is extremely worrying.

Its really upsetting to me that he, and the rest of the front office are going to be making the decisions with another high draft pick and a lot of cap space. This team is just as bad as lat year. I never expected them to be good this year, but I expected them to at least be better than last year.
Maybe next time Ernie will recommend someone  
moespree : 10/22/2018 11:50 pm : link
Who doesn't want to talk about Johnny Unitas and the condition of the Baltimore Colts practice field in the 60s.
RE: They should both be looking for jobs in 3 months  
santacruzom : 10/22/2018 11:53 pm : link
In comment 14142029 Go Terps said:
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Trouble is, the guys whose job it is to hire front office personnel don't seem to perform that job any better than Gettleman and Shurmur do theirs.
Tough Question  
lax counsel : 10/22/2018 11:54 pm : link
The regime’s two major offseason items were QB and Oline. DG and co seriously overestimated Eli’s remaining ability and looked to have given an albatross contract to a LT who looks all but finished in this league.

I am very skeptical of a GM who immediately eschews analytics for his “gut” feeling in the modern NFL. My gravest concern is that we’ll see a large investment in someone like a Derek Carr, Teddy Bridgewater, or Nick Foles next year because the regime doesn’t want to invest in a top young qb, if available in 2019 (assuming Herbert declares) on the false pretense that the team can compete with a mediocre qb.

Right now the early returns on this regime are poor. However, I’m not sure that you can pull the plug after one season.
RE: RE: They should both be looking for jobs in 3 months  
Sean : 10/22/2018 11:55 pm : link
In comment 14142208 santacruzom said:
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In comment 14142029 Go Terps said:


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Trouble is, the guys whose job it is to hire front office personnel don't seem to perform that job any better than Gettleman and Shurmur do theirs.


I think this all boils down to Eli. Mara is chasing Eli’s final years & he’s trying to correct last years mistake (although I don’t think it was a mistake). It’s very tough to manage/coach declining franchise stars. We need outside blood, desperately.
No  
giantstock : 10/23/2018 12:04 am : link
The coach and the GM are pretty incompetent. I'm watching the post game and can't believe some of the other idiots on TV thought the 2pt conversion call was fine or even good.

Unbelievable. And the thing is-- the coach is too incompetent to understand how dumb it is to do this.

**I'm holding out hope that maybe they're smart and they planned on stinking so bad this year that they'll get a QB in the draft that ends up extremely highly rated. Sadly, I know that the GM and coach aren't doing this.
No  
joeinpa : 10/23/2018 12:07 am : link
O line might be worse, free agents stink, felt Eli has years left

I m afraid their solution for the next quarterback is to find the next Case Keenan
RE: RE: Yes for Getts.  
St. Jimmy : 10/23/2018 12:09 am : link
In comment 14142033 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 14142025 St. Jimmy said:


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He knows Hog Mollies and knows when to throw money at them.





You'd be hard pressed to find evidence of that with this roster.
I know it was sarcasm. Gettleman was terrible in FA. We'll see about the draft. Barkley is a great runningback. Hernandez has looked good at times. We'll see about everyone else. QB is the big question mark which if you don't have an answer for than you do not have anytbing.
Yes  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/23/2018 12:10 am : link
This year they will draft OL

QB in 2020.
Agree with Doomster  
Marty866b : 10/23/2018 12:12 am : link
About the draft. Keep reading here about how great a draft Gettleman had this year. We can argue if Barkley was the right guy though no one can question his ability. Hernandez looks like crap, the two third rounders we really don't know if they are going to be JAGS or players? We haven't dressed our 4th round pick yet and the 5th round player is just starting to practice. That's a great draft? Barkley and a bunch of question marks? Let's not even get into Gettleman's ineptitude in the free agent market. I sincerely hope that Gettleman has beaten cancer but has decided to spend more time with his family and resigns.
RE: Yes  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/23/2018 12:13 am : link
In comment 14142301 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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This year they will draft OL

QB in 2020.


Oh good. Another 3 win season. Thanks for signing us up for that.
RE: Agree with Doomster  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/23/2018 12:15 am : link
In comment 14142307 Marty866b said:
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About the draft. Keep reading here about how great a draft Gettleman had this year. We can argue if Barkley was the right guy though no one can question his ability. Hernandez looks like crap, the two third rounders we really don't know if they are going to be JAGS or players?


Hernandez hasn't been bad and Hill is obviously better than a JAG. Not sure where you're getting that from. And I'm in no rush to say anything good about this GM.
RE: .  
NoGainDayne : 10/23/2018 12:15 am : link
In comment 14142131 Go Terps said:
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Shurmur is in over his head and Gettleman is a Luddite joke.

John Mara needs to open his fucking eyes and understand that the '80s are over.


Lol i’m glad I started a trend of calling Gettleman a Luddite! The real question is does Mars know what a Luddite is? That might be a start.

I feel like the giants brass might need a corny PowerPoint presentation or infomercial called “technology and you!” or is there a technology for dummies?

I would have to read the 538 article on going for 2 they just posted but was thinking about writing something tomorrow if I have time. Not cut and dry either way I don’t think. However shurmurs press conference “you increase your chance of winning by 50%” even with his explanation was horrible to witness. I feel like it could only be more laughable if someone with video editing skills had Gettleman typing on his fake keyboard in the background of the clip. Quite the brain trust we have here!

Very confident in getts  
micky : 10/23/2018 12:16 am : link
Signing eli to a 10 yr contract extension

And schurmur's math

Going forward
TTH  
Marty866b : 10/23/2018 12:18 am : link
I will agree with you about Hill but Hernandez has not looked good and is hardly the road grader that he was made out to be. How many sacks has he been responsible for already this year? I don't know the answer but I would say too many.I think you would agree that is is far too early to call the past draft as great.
RE: Agree with Doomster  
AcesUp : 10/23/2018 12:21 am : link
In comment 14142307 Marty866b said:
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About the draft. Keep reading here about how great a draft Gettleman had this year. We can argue if Barkley was the right guy though no one can question his ability. Hernandez looks like crap, the two third rounders we really don't know if they are going to be JAGS or players? We haven't dressed our 4th round pick yet and the 5th round player is just starting to practice. That's a great draft? Barkley and a bunch of question marks? Let's not even get into Gettleman's ineptitude in the free agent market. I sincerely hope that Gettleman has beaten cancer but has decided to spend more time with his family and resigns.


Year 1 there are great returns. Barkley is Barkley, as he should be given his position and draft slotting.
Hernandez had a bad game tonight but up until this point, he has been our best OL and by most objective measures, the best rookie OL in the NFL this year. Hill has been consistently solid while Carter has flashed. Those are big returns in the first year. Especially when given realistic expectations, as most fans do not have those with draft picks, especially after the first round.

I have faith in DG in terms of talent evaluation. My concerns with him are in roster building, resource allocation and general forward thinking.
Shurmur sounded like a guy that took intro to statistics  
NoGainDayne : 10/23/2018 12:30 am : link
and after the first class thinks he can make all of his decisions using it.
I had Raison bran today because it is 27% healthier for my heart!!

Meanwhile the Astros have been hiring minor league managers with database skills for years. Our “rising star” in analytics doesn’t even reflect database skills on his LinkedIn.

“Maths” as some here like to call it are not to be used randomly and haphazardly when you are desperate. It’s why it’s ridiculous to not have Beckham or Barkley returning the last punt in the Jacksonville game but later in the season you put him back there a whole game. Math benefits you when you use it to be consistent and you are prepared to trust it over time. People that know how to leverage math correctly think if I’m
doing it this way I have to keep doing it to pay dividends.
RE: the move looks terrible right now  
montanagiant : 10/23/2018 12:31 am : link
In comment 14141960 antdog24 said:
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but they deserve at least another year to turn it around.

Correct
I haven't lost confidence in Gettleman  
BlackLight : 10/23/2018 12:34 am : link
The heart of team's problems is the OL, and there was no way we were going to fix that problem in just one season. Solder is turning out to be a bad signing, but we really had no alternatives, unless you wanted another year of Flowers at LT. His contract sucks, but again, we had little choice - Solder knew his market value and our situation just as well as we did.
Blacklight  
Marty866b : 10/23/2018 12:53 am : link
Did you forget about Omameh? How about Stewart? Trade for Ogletree? This team had tons of injuries last season and won only three games. Did you possibly think that with everyone healthy,a Dave Gettleman draft, and Dave Gettleman free agent signings that this team is possibily worse?
RE: I haven't lost confidence in Gettleman  
giantstock : 10/23/2018 1:07 am : link
In comment 14142357 BlackLight said:
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The heart of team's problems is the OL, and there was no way we were going to fix that problem in just one season. Solder is turning out to be a bad signing, but we really had no alternatives, unless you wanted another year of Flowers at LT. His contract sucks, but again, we had little choice - Solder knew his market value and our situation just as well as we did.


This isn't true. COuld have made a run at Hubbard and tried him for LT. And what about the Pats trading for Trent Brown? He's doing okay. ANd both guys are young.
They both can get fired as far as i'm concerned...  
SHO'NUFF : 10/23/2018 2:23 am : link
but that's the point, if Mara taps Uncle Ernie again to pick another retread.
but  
SHO'NUFF : 10/23/2018 2:23 am : link
what's the point
RE: the move looks terrible right now  
santacruzom : 10/23/2018 2:57 am : link
In comment 14141960 antdog24 said:
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but they deserve at least another year to turn it around.


Why? What sort of reputation or past success earns them the right to deserve more chances?
Yes  
bc4life : 10/23/2018 7:27 am : link
Like the team. Shocked Solder is playing as bad as he is right now. And, of course RT hurts.

They are in just about every game, despite a really bad OLine.
getting rid of GM and HC  
bc4life : 10/23/2018 7:28 am : link
after half a season worth of info. SMH.
No  
Keith : 10/23/2018 7:29 am : link
No no
I’m still agnostic on Shurmur...  
bw in dc : 10/23/2018 8:25 am : link
But Gentleman is the wrong person at the wrong time for this organization. He’s too attached to the “Giants Way” disease.

This is a watershed moment for Jints Central. They need to severe ties with all things the “Giants Way” and really blow things up this time - new people, new servers, new systems, new carpet, new wall art, etc.

Mara’s back to the future move was an unmitigated disaster...
One thing's for sure. With the notable exception of drafting  
Ira : 10/23/2018 8:28 am : link
Hernandez, Gettleman didn't do a good job in restructuring the offensive line.
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