I’m sorry but tonight was next level. From the 3rd and goal ridiculous TE sweep to saquon, to the going for 2 for no apparent reason, to the back to back qb sneaks with 1:00 on the clock, to the pooch kick onsides kick. Just and absolutely horrific performance from the HC.
That was his bugaboo in Cleveland. He clearly hasn't learned from his past mistakes.
Mcadoo at least knew Eli was done
He's not calling the plays in that situation, that is Eli running the 2 minute offense with no timeouts.
Honestly he's far superior than McAdoo. Don't care what anyone thinks, this offense, talking about play-call and play-design, variety of formations, all of it, is NFL-caliber, McAdoo's was laughable, literally, because defensive players on opposing teams were literally laughing at our offense, saying they knew the plays that were coming before the snap.
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Same strange play calling, same strange clock management, same strange substitutions. He also looks as dopey as McAdoo standing there too.
Mcadoo at least knew Eli was done
How do you know shurmur doesn’t know this? It’s not like a 4 year vet with talent is sitting on the bench.
Shurmur scares me a bit too. Not because of the 2 pt attempt tho.
He's not calling the plays in that situation, that is Eli running the 2 minute offense with no timeouts.
Honestly he's far superior than McAdoo. Don't care what anyone thinks, this offense, talking about play-call and play-design, variety of formations, all of it, is NFL-caliber, McAdoo's was laughable, literally, because defensive players on opposing teams were literally laughing at our offense, saying they knew the plays that were coming before the snap.
Ok? They’re worse this season.
I think in 15 years he's tried a QB sneak maybe 3 times.
I think in 15 years he's tried a QB sneak maybe 3 times.
Zero in 11 years before this season
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He's not responsible for the sneaks.
He's not calling the plays in that situation, that is Eli running the 2 minute offense with no timeouts.
Honestly he's far superior than McAdoo. Don't care what anyone thinks, this offense, talking about play-call and play-design, variety of formations, all of it, is NFL-caliber, McAdoo's was laughable, literally, because defensive players on opposing teams were literally laughing at our offense, saying they knew the plays that were coming before the snap.
Ok? They’re worse this season.
By which metric? They are actually two to three times better than last year. I don't think you remember very well how absolutely pathetic our offense was last year. At least the Giants are getting the ball INTO the red zone this year and getting some first downs. The offense last year was completely and wholly inept. They've graduated to just pretty bad.
I think in 15 years he's tried a QB sneak maybe 3 times.
Because situationally it's the only thing that makes sense. You think with a running clock and no timeouts Shurmur is calling plays off the sheet into Eli for him to relay?
No. Eli is calling the plays there because there is no time for anything else.
Who knows how a two conversion impacts the game.
Quarterback sneak was not bad, not being able to sneak it in from 6 inches was.
Recovering insides kick in field goal range was only chance.
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called his own number for two QB sneaks?
I think in 15 years he's tried a QB sneak maybe 3 times.
Because situationally it's the only thing that makes sense. You think with a running clock and no timeouts Shurmur is calling plays off the sheet into Eli for him to relay?
No. Eli is calling the plays there because there is no time for anything else.
I find it really hard to believe that Eli thinks the best course of action is a QB sneak with a running clock, and then thought it was the best call a second time.
It's certainly possible, in which case it's a colossal shitshow, but I struggle to pin that on him. If that was his thought process then how far gone is he?
1-6 Ed A. Go back to having a terrible handle.
The QB sneak thing is especially funny. You know what my slow footed jittery QB needs in the twilight of his career. The QB sneak thrown into the playbook for the first time in a decade!
The 2nd one too, it's astounding in it's stupidity. Sure, maybe, MAYBE you call a play twice in a row if it worked. But to call a play twice in a row that didn't work while the clock is running and you need it to stop. That is some next level stubbornness and idiocy.
You could say there is enough of these threads but I don't think any amount is too many. This shit really stinks and we've been around shit now for too long.
He's not calling the plays in that situation, that is Eli running the 2 minute offense with no timeouts.
Honestly he's far superior than McAdoo. Don't care what anyone thinks, this offense, talking about play-call and play-design, variety of formations, all of it, is NFL-caliber, McAdoo's was laughable, literally, because defensive players on opposing teams were literally laughing at our offense, saying they knew the plays that were coming before the snap.
I don't think you can recover it and run it in or forward because it is considered a muff and put back to the spot where it was touched.
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Shurmur called the QB sneaks as per his post game interview
He never said that....why are you just making shit up?
Same.
Same here. Eli has turned into a coach killer.
First and foremost - advocating starting Eli this year.
Then, his time management - which across multiple games now, makes it clear that he's just no good at it. I'm surprised he hasn't summoned in some sideline help with this one. Hire a clock management coach and call it a day (could be there's already a QA guy, but if there is, he needs to be fired pronto).
Formations/offensive creativity - not sure how much of this to lay at Shula's feet and how much at his, but I've seen a lot of ridiculous playcalls. I don't think I can stomach another 3rd and 5 call where Barkley is sitting 5 yards behind the LOS when he gets the snap. He's displaying the same lazy type of playcalling we saw with McAdoo and OBJ, where it's 'short pass, no risk, let the playmaker do it all' - and that hasn't worked for some time now.
Those two QB sneaks last night - not sure how much blame to assign, but if the first one was Eli, then Shurmur sure as fuck should have said 'well, whatever you do don't do that again'.
He's a bad coach.
Some things that are on him though -
-- The clock management stuff cannot be screwed up, ever, that's on him. Two consecutive QB sneaks with no timeouts. The OL sucks, why not try a different play after it was clear the OL had no push?
-- The Barkley screen on 3rd down late in the game was horrible, call a play that goes straight ahead rather than sideways. They had him blanketed. They had a good drive going, couldn't make 3rd and short. Worst call of the game IMO. His play calling has been questionable overall.
-- I'm ok with not going for the FG early in the game, give the players confidence, I get it. But the two point conversion late was the wrong call, statistics be damned.
Its highly unlikely they get rid of the coach, nor do I think they should...but every loss increases the chance of something crazy happening. He needs to right his ship, at least control what he can control, or he could be in trouble at the end of the season.
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called his own number for two QB sneaks?
I think in 15 years he's tried a QB sneak maybe 3 times.
Because situationally it's the only thing that makes sense. You think with a running clock and no timeouts Shurmur is calling plays off the sheet into Eli for him to relay?
No. Eli is calling the plays there because there is no time for anything else.
I find it really hard to believe that Eli thinks the best course of action is a QB sneak with a running clock, and then thought it was the best call a second time.
It's certainly possible, in which case it's a colossal shitshow, but I struggle to pin that on him. If that was his thought process then how far gone is he?
Because we've never seen Eli lose situational awareness in the red zone, late in the game, with clock implications? Did you skip the 2015 opener?