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Shurmur is the worst coach I’ve ever seen

Justlurking : 10/22/2018 11:25 pm
I’m sorry but tonight was next level. From the 3rd and goal ridiculous TE sweep to saquon, to the going for 2 for no apparent reason, to the back to back qb sneaks with 1:00 on the clock, to the pooch kick onsides kick. Just and absolutely horrific performance from the HC.
Pooch kick was only chance  
lecky : 10/22/2018 11:27 pm : link
They had, so that made sense. The rest, I couldnt agree more
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Danny Kanell : 10/22/2018 11:28 pm : link
He has been terrible all season. His clock management is inexcusable.
It was only close at the end,  
Doomster : 10/22/2018 11:28 pm : link
because Atlanta played soft....
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Anakim : 10/22/2018 11:29 pm : link
In comment 14142011 Danny Kanell said:
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He has been terrible all season. His clock management is inexcusable.


That was his bugaboo in Cleveland. He clearly hasn't learned from his past mistakes.
not a whole lot of onsides kick  
bluepepper : 10/22/2018 11:29 pm : link
in the playbook for 5 seconds left. You basically have to recover it and run it in or recover it in FG range with a tick left on the clock. Not sure what you expected there.
He's a clone of what we just saw last season  
moespree : 10/22/2018 11:32 pm : link
Same strange play calling, same strange clock management, same strange substitutions. He also looks as dopey as McAdoo standing there too.
Pooch kick  
Justlurking : 10/22/2018 11:33 pm : link
Ok, he still sucks.
I’ve seen worse  
jeff57 : 10/22/2018 11:33 pm : link
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RE: He's a clone of what we just saw last season  
Justlurking : 10/22/2018 11:33 pm : link
In comment 14142066 moespree said:
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Same strange play calling, same strange clock management, same strange substitutions. He also looks as dopey as McAdoo standing there too.


Mcadoo at least knew Eli was done
Shurmer  
GmeninPSL : 10/22/2018 11:35 pm : link
obviously must have failed grade school MATH!!
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allstarjim : 10/22/2018 11:35 pm : link
He's not responsible for the sneaks.

He's not calling the plays in that situation, that is Eli running the 2 minute offense with no timeouts.

Honestly he's far superior than McAdoo. Don't care what anyone thinks, this offense, talking about play-call and play-design, variety of formations, all of it, is NFL-caliber, McAdoo's was laughable, literally, because defensive players on opposing teams were literally laughing at our offense, saying they knew the plays that were coming before the snap.
RE: RE: He's a clone of what we just saw last season  
djm : 10/22/2018 11:37 pm : link
In comment 14142074 Justlurking said:
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In comment 14142066 moespree said:


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Same strange play calling, same strange clock management, same strange substitutions. He also looks as dopey as McAdoo standing there too.



Mcadoo at least knew Eli was done


How do you know shurmur doesn’t know this? It’s not like a 4 year vet with talent is sitting on the bench.

Shurmur scares me a bit too. Not because of the 2 pt attempt tho.
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Justlurking : 10/22/2018 11:44 pm : link
In comment 14142092 allstarjim said:
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He's not responsible for the sneaks.

He's not calling the plays in that situation, that is Eli running the 2 minute offense with no timeouts.

Honestly he's far superior than McAdoo. Don't care what anyone thinks, this offense, talking about play-call and play-design, variety of formations, all of it, is NFL-caliber, McAdoo's was laughable, literally, because defensive players on opposing teams were literally laughing at our offense, saying they knew the plays that were coming before the snap.


Ok? They’re worse this season.
Why would anyone believe Eli Manning  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/22/2018 11:47 pm : link
called his own number for two QB sneaks?

I think in 15 years he's tried a QB sneak maybe 3 times.
RE: Why would anyone believe Eli Manning  
Justlurking : 10/22/2018 11:48 pm : link
In comment 14142165 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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called his own number for two QB sneaks?

I think in 15 years he's tried a QB sneak maybe 3 times.


Zero in 11 years before this season
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allstarjim : 10/22/2018 11:49 pm : link
In comment 14142148 Justlurking said:
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In comment 14142092 allstarjim said:


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He's not responsible for the sneaks.

He's not calling the plays in that situation, that is Eli running the 2 minute offense with no timeouts.

Honestly he's far superior than McAdoo. Don't care what anyone thinks, this offense, talking about play-call and play-design, variety of formations, all of it, is NFL-caliber, McAdoo's was laughable, literally, because defensive players on opposing teams were literally laughing at our offense, saying they knew the plays that were coming before the snap.



Ok? They’re worse this season.


By which metric? They are actually two to three times better than last year. I don't think you remember very well how absolutely pathetic our offense was last year. At least the Giants are getting the ball INTO the red zone this year and getting some first downs. The offense last year was completely and wholly inept. They've graduated to just pretty bad.
Mcadoo  
spike : 10/22/2018 11:50 pm : link
must be happy tonight. He's been vindicated
RE: Why would anyone believe Eli Manning  
allstarjim : 10/22/2018 11:51 pm : link
In comment 14142165 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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called his own number for two QB sneaks?

I think in 15 years he's tried a QB sneak maybe 3 times.


Because situationally it's the only thing that makes sense. You think with a running clock and no timeouts Shurmur is calling plays off the sheet into Eli for him to relay?

No. Eli is calling the plays there because there is no time for anything else.
Hey justluking....  
Ed A. : 10/22/2018 11:54 pm : link
Go back to lurking. It was the right call, and would have worked if the Refs would have called the holding of OBJ.
Going for two  
joeinpa : 10/22/2018 11:55 pm : link
Was unusual, but not bad. What was bad was dropping the ball.

Who knows how a two conversion impacts the game.

Quarterback sneak was not bad, not being able to sneak it in from 6 inches was.

Recovering insides kick in field goal range was only chance.
RE: RE: Why would anyone believe Eli Manning  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/23/2018 12:03 am : link
In comment 14142201 allstarjim said:
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In comment 14142165 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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called his own number for two QB sneaks?

I think in 15 years he's tried a QB sneak maybe 3 times.



Because situationally it's the only thing that makes sense. You think with a running clock and no timeouts Shurmur is calling plays off the sheet into Eli for him to relay?

No. Eli is calling the plays there because there is no time for anything else.


I find it really hard to believe that Eli thinks the best course of action is a QB sneak with a running clock, and then thought it was the best call a second time.

It's certainly possible, in which case it's a colossal shitshow, but I struggle to pin that on him. If that was his thought process then how far gone is he?
RE: Hey justluking....  
Justlurking : 10/23/2018 12:05 am : link
In comment 14142213 Ed A. said:
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Go back to lurking. It was the right call, and would have worked if the Refs would have called the holding of OBJ.


1-6 Ed A. Go back to having a terrible handle.
We don't have talent  
AcesUp : 10/23/2018 12:08 am : link
This is a top heavy 1-6 roster. That's what he's playing with. I'm not saying that he shouldn't be held accountable but let's give him some players before we pass final judgement.
He’s horrible...  
trueblueinpw : 10/23/2018 12:14 am : link
I thought he’d at least be a step up from McAdoo but now I’m not so sure. The guy is terrible at Xs and Os and he’s terrible with the media (but better than McAdoo) and he doesn’t seem to have the team prepared to play. What the heck does this coaching staff do all week long? And what’s really horrible is that there’s not really any chance the Giants are gonna fire this idiot. These are dark days for Big Blue.
Shurmur  
SHO'NUFF : 10/23/2018 2:44 am : link
is a fucking moron
Shurmur does have the occasional play where i'm like  
NoGainDayne : 10/23/2018 2:53 am : link
that was good and creative. But his blunders far outweigh those plays.

The QB sneak thing is especially funny. You know what my slow footed jittery QB needs in the twilight of his career. The QB sneak thrown into the playbook for the first time in a decade!

The 2nd one too, it's astounding in it's stupidity. Sure, maybe, MAYBE you call a play twice in a row if it worked. But to call a play twice in a row that didn't work while the clock is running and you need it to stop. That is some next level stubbornness and idiocy.

You could say there is enough of these threads but I don't think any amount is too many. This shit really stinks and we've been around shit now for too long.
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Les in TO : 10/23/2018 6:12 am : link
In comment 14142092 allstarjim said:
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He's not responsible for the sneaks.

He's not calling the plays in that situation, that is Eli running the 2 minute offense with no timeouts.

Honestly he's far superior than McAdoo. Don't care what anyone thinks, this offense, talking about play-call and play-design, variety of formations, all of it, is NFL-caliber, McAdoo's was laughable, literally, because defensive players on opposing teams were literally laughing at our offense, saying they knew the plays that were coming before the snap.
Shurmur called the QB sneaks as per his post game interview
I'd have to..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/23/2018 8:15 am : link
look at the specific rule, but I believe your only option is to kick it into FG range and recover:

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You basically have to recover it and run it in or recover it in FG range with a tick left on the clock.


I don't think you can recover it and run it in or forward because it is considered a muff and put back to the spot where it was touched.
I actually  
Jon in NYC : 10/23/2018 8:19 am : link
like Shurmur a lot and think he's been dealt a shitty hand. Im excited to see what he can do next year.
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Tesla : 10/23/2018 8:21 am : link
In comment 14142467 Les in TO said:
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In comment 14142092 allstarjim said:


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Shurmur called the QB sneaks as per his post game interview


He never said that....why are you just making shit up?
RE: I actually  
Tesla : 10/23/2018 8:22 am : link
In comment 14142639 Jon in NYC said:
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like Shurmur a lot and think he's been dealt a shitty hand. Im excited to see what he can do next year.


Same.
RE: I actually  
Greg from LI : 10/23/2018 8:23 am : link
In comment 14142639 Jon in NYC said:
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like Shurmur a lot and think he's been dealt a shitty hand. Im excited to see what he can do next year.


Same here. Eli has turned into a coach killer.
Can I just ask what you've seen that makes you like Shurmur?  
jcn56 : 10/23/2018 8:28 am : link
I've been grading everything he's done with this huge caveat, that Eli is over the hill and the team has a lot of holes, but I keep coming back to basic/simple mistakes that shouldn't be happening, and they point right back at Shurmur.

First and foremost - advocating starting Eli this year.

Then, his time management - which across multiple games now, makes it clear that he's just no good at it. I'm surprised he hasn't summoned in some sideline help with this one. Hire a clock management coach and call it a day (could be there's already a QA guy, but if there is, he needs to be fired pronto).

Formations/offensive creativity - not sure how much of this to lay at Shula's feet and how much at his, but I've seen a lot of ridiculous playcalls. I don't think I can stomach another 3rd and 5 call where Barkley is sitting 5 yards behind the LOS when he gets the snap. He's displaying the same lazy type of playcalling we saw with McAdoo and OBJ, where it's 'short pass, no risk, let the playmaker do it all' - and that hasn't worked for some time now.

Those two QB sneaks last night - not sure how much blame to assign, but if the first one was Eli, then Shurmur sure as fuck should have said 'well, whatever you do don't do that again'.

He's a bad coach.
Shurmur - Benefit of the doubt until last night  
Rong5611 : 10/23/2018 8:45 am : link
Shurmur has not been good, he needs to improve along with the team. He just doesn't seem "in synch" with his players scheme-wise. Maybe he cannot game plan around our horrible OL. I don't know. Its frustrating, because he seems to have the locker room in a fair/decent spot, at least for now. The players haven't quit, at least not yet.

Some things that are on him though -

-- The clock management stuff cannot be screwed up, ever, that's on him. Two consecutive QB sneaks with no timeouts. The OL sucks, why not try a different play after it was clear the OL had no push?

-- The Barkley screen on 3rd down late in the game was horrible, call a play that goes straight ahead rather than sideways. They had him blanketed. They had a good drive going, couldn't make 3rd and short. Worst call of the game IMO. His play calling has been questionable overall.

-- I'm ok with not going for the FG early in the game, give the players confidence, I get it. But the two point conversion late was the wrong call, statistics be damned.

Its highly unlikely they get rid of the coach, nor do I think they should...but every loss increases the chance of something crazy happening. He needs to right his ship, at least control what he can control, or he could be in trouble at the end of the season.
RE: RE: RE: Why would anyone believe Eli Manning  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/23/2018 10:49 am : link
In comment 14142271 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 14142201 allstarjim said:


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In comment 14142165 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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called his own number for two QB sneaks?

I think in 15 years he's tried a QB sneak maybe 3 times.



Because situationally it's the only thing that makes sense. You think with a running clock and no timeouts Shurmur is calling plays off the sheet into Eli for him to relay?

No. Eli is calling the plays there because there is no time for anything else.



I find it really hard to believe that Eli thinks the best course of action is a QB sneak with a running clock, and then thought it was the best call a second time.

It's certainly possible, in which case it's a colossal shitshow, but I struggle to pin that on him. If that was his thought process then how far gone is he?

Because we've never seen Eli lose situational awareness in the red zone, late in the game, with clock implications? Did you skip the 2015 opener?
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