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At this point, Eli is stealing from the Giants.

chopperhatch : 10/23/2018 12:33 am
There is absolutely now way that he couldlook back on his performances the past two weeks and honestly think that he is still a competent QB for this team. Absolutely gun shy, rushing through his reads where he misses TDs to guys like Barkley amd ODB in favor of 3 yard dump offs. The line has been terrible, but when they have held up, Eli misses throws. Shurmur has been terrible but he has called many plays that opened up down the field and Eli either didnt see it, missed the thtow or checked out to a dump off.

Eli Manning is completely done as a pro QB. Not just "for this situation" done in all regards. He plays afraid, hesitates from fear of throwing a pick, and lacks that killer instinct.

If he continues to claim he is the same QB that led them to two SBs, shame on him for merely chasing a paycheck at this point. While the larger egg lies on John Mara's face if he continues to put his faith in Eli's abilities, Eli has become all about the dollar at this point and fuck him for doing so.
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This well go over well  
dep026 : 10/23/2018 12:36 am : link
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chop  
B in ALB : 10/23/2018 12:37 am : link
I like you a lot as a poster. You make a lot of sense and you're Fucking funny.

But let's discuss it tomorrow. Tonight was a complete shitshow. Everyone is pissed, frustrated and feels like it's another season lost.

Plus, the stupidity with the play calls was icing on the shitcake.

Let's get back at it tomorrow.
He finally looked good throwing deep passes.  
section125 : 10/23/2018 12:39 am : link
So he's not dead yet.
I don't blame Manning for trying  
NewBlue : 10/23/2018 12:41 am : link
I blame others who looked at recent film of his performances and determined that he can still be a winning QB for us.

Let's give him a night retire us jersey if you want, but I can't watch him play anymore because I know what I am seeing and at age 38 it can't get any better. Thanks for the memories.....next
RE: This well go over well  
B in ALB : 10/23/2018 12:43 am : link
In comment 14142360 dep026 said:
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Dep. Don't be a Douchebag. Eli was a major culprit in the loss tonight.

399 yards is fine, despite never having a lead. But the hurry up at the end of the half, the sneaks costing valuable time and his limited abilities as a mobile athlete are apparent.

I'm not advocating nuking Eli at this point considering the record, but please don't be blind.
Eli threw for 399 ...  
Manny in CA : 10/23/2018 12:45 am : link

Despite dismal O-line play that had him harassed and hit numerous times -167 to Shep and 140 to OBJ , doesn't sound like a QB that's "done".

When Shurmer finally went to "max protect", Atlanta couldn't stop our passing offense ....

And that's with another thoroughbred in the stable that is kept at the L.O.S. wrestling 300 pound sweat hogs instead of split wide.

RE: Eli threw for 399 ...  
section125 : 10/23/2018 12:48 am : link
In comment 14142373 Manny in CA said:
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Despite dismal O-line play that had him harassed and hit numerous times -167 to Shep and 140 to OBJ , doesn't sound like a QB that's "done".

When Shurmer finally went to "max protect", Atlanta couldn't stop our passing offense ....

And that's with another thoroughbred in the stable that is kept at the L.O.S. wrestling 300 pound sweat hogs instead of split wide.


Manny - Ryan's oline was just as bad. Ryan just made plays that Eli did not.
RE: RE: Eli threw for 399 ...  
dep026 : 10/23/2018 12:49 am : link
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Despite dismal O-line play that had him harassed and hit numerous times -167 to Shep and 140 to OBJ , doesn't sound like a QB that's "done".

When Shurmer finally went to "max protect", Atlanta couldn't stop our passing offense ....

And that's with another thoroughbred in the stable that is kept at the L.O.S. wrestling 300 pound sweat hogs instead of split wide.




Manny - Ryan's oline was just as bad. Ryan just made plays that Eli did not.


Ryan wasn’t touched after the first quarter.
RE: This well go over well  
chopperhatch : 10/23/2018 12:50 am : link
In comment 14142360 dep026 said:
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Oh, great....more opinions from dep! Just what this place needs.

You are mocked on every single thread you post on, told me via email that you were done with this site, yet here you are. Honestly wouldnt care if I didnt see you battling every day with 15 posters calling you an idiot.


B. Im more or less referring to how he treats this offseason. If he doesnt retire, it is very clear what he is all about. If he were running around looking downfield all game and taking sacks that way, I wouldnt care. But he is letting his team down in a way that I have never seen a two time champion do. If he doesnt retire at the end of the year, its all about the money.
This horse has been beaten and is dead  
AcesUp : 10/23/2018 12:51 am : link
But if you're watching the game objectively you can see where Eli is leaking points. It's obvious.

I don't see the point in piling on, even the most ardent Eli guy has conceded that it's time to move on. Now, if we're going to debate whether he should be our guy next year? That's a different animal. We absolutely have to move on next season, even if our options are limited and that means Lauletta. This franchise has to try something new next year because it's a wash between Eli and any reasonable replacement minus any upside.
RE: RE: This well go over well  
chopperhatch : 10/23/2018 12:51 am : link
In comment 14142371 B in ALB said:
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Dep. Don't be a Douchebag. Eli was a major culprit in the loss tonight.

399 yards is fine, despite never having a lead. But the hurry up at the end of the half, the sneaks costing valuable time and his limited abilities as a mobile athlete are apparent.

I'm not advocating nuking Eli at this point considering the record, but please don't be blind.


Asking Dep not to be a douchebag is like asking an alligator not to have wrinkles.
RE: This horse has been beaten and is dead  
chopperhatch : 10/23/2018 12:52 am : link
In comment 14142381 AcesUp said:
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But if you're watching the game objectively you can see where Eli is leaking points. It's obvious.

I don't see the point in piling on, even the most ardent Eli guy has conceded that it's time to move on. Now, if we're going to debate whether he should be our guy next year? That's a different animal. We absolutely have to move on next season, even if our options are limited and that means Lauletta. This franchise has to try something new next year because it's a wash between Eli and any reasonable replacement minus any upside.



This is more or less what Im saying.
RE: RE: RE: Eli threw for 399 ...  
section125 : 10/23/2018 12:53 am : link
In comment 14142378 dep026 said:
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Despite dismal O-line play that had him harassed and hit numerous times -167 to Shep and 140 to OBJ , doesn't sound like a QB that's "done".

When Shurmer finally went to "max protect", Atlanta couldn't stop our passing offense ....

And that's with another thoroughbred in the stable that is kept at the L.O.S. wrestling 300 pound sweat hogs instead of split wide.




Manny - Ryan's oline was just as bad. Ryan just made plays that Eli did not.



Ryan wasn’t touched after the first quarter.


And neither was Eli. All 4 sacks were 1st half and Ryan's 3 were 1st half.

He was harassed all game like Eli. Please stop. He moved. He stepped up. He got the ball out of his hand.
Gotta love BBI  
dep026 : 10/23/2018 12:54 am : link
This is a poor look for you chopper. Like B said... you’re better than this. Sleep it off my friend.
It's also not a good look when the head coach  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/23/2018 12:59 am : link
has got caught multiple times now screaming on the sideline to either 'throw the ball now' or 'throw it to *insert WR name here*.'

McAddo threw Eli under the bus in the media, and Shurmur is kinda/sorta doing it on the sideline at times and getting caught.
If we are going to show up with pitchforks about theft of the Giants  
NoGainDayne : 10/23/2018 1:00 am : link
can we do it for Omameh first? Maybe Solder?

Who is down for an old fashioned torches and pitchforks mob at Omameh's house???
RE: It's also not a good look when the head coach  
dep026 : 10/23/2018 1:01 am : link
In comment 14142391 Dave in Hoboken said:
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has got caught multiple times now screaming on the sideline to either 'throw the ball now' or 'throw it to *insert WR name here*.'

McAddo threw Eli under the bus in the media, and Shurmur is kinda/sorta doing it on the sideline at times and getting caught.


Shurmur needs to look in the mirror first. He has ZERO clout as a head coach. We should ask him at what point when you need two yards and throwing it back 8 yards from the LOS is a good idea.
Can someone tell me the play  
dep026 : 10/23/2018 1:10 am : link
Where he missed Beckham for a TD?

The only play I saw that could be construed is the one where OBJ misread the coverage and ran the route as if it were man rather than zone?

And before I get called out for this... Witten, Young, and Matt Hasselebck said the same exact thing. Hasselbeck also slowed it down and showed all the extra movement as to why OBJ thought it was man. He said OBJ misread the coverage.
RE: Can someone tell me the play  
chopperhatch : 10/23/2018 1:18 am : link
In comment 14142400 dep026 said:
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Where he missed Beckham for a TD?

The only play I saw that could be construed is the one where OBJ misread the coverage and ran the route as if it were man rather than zone?

And before I get called out for this... Witten, Young, and Matt Hasselebck said the same exact thing. Hasselbeck also slowed it down and showed all the extra movement as to why OBJ thought it was man. He said OBJ misread the coverage.


Nope. Im not going to tell you because then you would just rationalize why it wasnt Eli's fault. If you were watching the game closely he had a chance to let Odell and Engram make a play for a score. Also, I dont care what they say on that Odell pass....he was wide open. Even if Odell doesnt have the right timing, there was a huge window to make that an accurate throw.

RE: RE: It's also not a good look when the head coach  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/23/2018 1:19 am : link
In comment 14142393 dep026 said:
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has got caught multiple times now screaming on the sideline to either 'throw the ball now' or 'throw it to *insert WR name here*.'

McAddo threw Eli under the bus in the media, and Shurmur is kinda/sorta doing it on the sideline at times and getting caught.



Shurmur needs to look in the mirror first. He has ZERO clout as a head coach. We should ask him at what point when you need two yards and throwing it back 8 yards from the LOS is a good idea.


That's what I'm saying. It's not a good look for the head coach, even IF it IS Eli's fault on a particular play. You can't show up ANY of your players on the sideline like that. Just can't do it.

Bottom line; this organization from top to bottom is a fucking disaster and it's insanely past time to fix it already.
RE: Can someone tell me the play  
AcesUp : 10/23/2018 1:20 am : link
In comment 14142400 dep026 said:
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Where he missed Beckham for a TD?

The only play I saw that could be construed is the one where OBJ misread the coverage and ran the route as if it were man rather than zone?

And before I get called out for this... Witten, Young, and Matt Hasselebck said the same exact thing. Hasselbeck also slowed it down and showed all the extra movement as to why OBJ thought it was man. He said OBJ misread the coverage.


That's the back of the endzone play? Appears to be Eli to me and I remember Hasselback actually criticizing Eli there in the post game (which is rare as he usually defends).

The biggest play to me was the 4th down play where OBJ was iso'd against a single defender and Eli decided to prematurely fastball it into Simonson's gut in tight coverage instead of throwing a touch pass to OBJ in the back of the endzone. That's the play where the internet caught Shurmur mouthing "throw it to Odell". It was a design to Beckham where Eli lost his cool and made a bad choice. Another is the throw to Shephard that connected on the first scoring drive. It turned into a long completion but Shepard had his man beat, a dart on his inside shoulder may go for 6 but he has to adjust to an underthrown outside shoulder throw. I think Eli put it there on purpose but that was a poor decision by him. Those are two big ones off the top of my head that would have been an extra 11 points.
RE: RE: Can someone tell me the play  
slackerracker : 10/23/2018 1:22 am : link
In comment 14142405 chopperhatch said:
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Where he missed Beckham for a TD?

The only play I saw that could be construed is the one where OBJ misread the coverage and ran the route as if it were man rather than zone?

And before I get called out for this... Witten, Young, and Matt Hasselebck said the same exact thing. Hasselbeck also slowed it down and showed all the extra movement as to why OBJ thought it was man. He said OBJ misread the coverage.



Nope. Im not going to tell you because then you would just rationalize why it wasnt Eli's fault. If you were watching the game closely he had a chance to let Odell and Engram make a play for a score. Also, I dont care what they say on that Odell pass....he was wide open. Even if Odell doesnt have the right timing, there was a huge window to make that an accurate throw.


It's a timing throw, so if Odell doesn't have the right timing, the window is Manning throwing to the spot. Odell's timing being off means he doesn't get to the spot. The extra steps he wasted he might have been to the spot to catch the pass. But We will never know because he was dancing to fake out the guy in man coverage when he was in zone.
RE: RE: Can someone tell me the play  
dep026 : 10/23/2018 1:23 am : link
In comment 14142405 chopperhatch said:
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Where he missed Beckham for a TD?

The only play I saw that could be construed is the one where OBJ misread the coverage and ran the route as if it were man rather than zone?

And before I get called out for this... Witten, Young, and Matt Hasselebck said the same exact thing. Hasselbeck also slowed it down and showed all the extra movement as to why OBJ thought it was man. He said OBJ misread the coverage.



Nope. Im not going to tell you because then you would just rationalize why it wasnt Eli's fault. If you were watching the game closely he had a chance to let Odell and Engram make a play for a score. Also, I dont care what they say on that Odell pass....he was wide open. Even if Odell doesnt have the right timing, there was a huge window to make that an accurate throw.


But you do realize Eli is throwing it to a spot where he expects OBJ to be? It’s a timing route.

Listen Eli has a lot of flaws. But on a play where EVERY analyst said OBJ screwed up, showed why he screwed up and the reason he screwed up... well maybe we don’t blame OBJ for that one.
And now he missed Engram?  
dep026 : 10/23/2018 1:24 am : link
alrighty then...
RE: RE: Can someone tell me the play  
slackerracker : 10/23/2018 1:27 am : link
In comment 14142408 AcesUp said:
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Where he missed Beckham for a TD?

The only play I saw that could be construed is the one where OBJ misread the coverage and ran the route as if it were man rather than zone?

And before I get called out for this... Witten, Young, and Matt Hasselebck said the same exact thing. Hasselbeck also slowed it down and showed all the extra movement as to why OBJ thought it was man. He said OBJ misread the coverage.



That's the back of the endzone play? Appears to be Eli to me and I remember Hasselback actually criticizing Eli there in the post game (which is rare as he usually defends).

The biggest play to me was the 4th down play where OBJ was iso'd against a single defender and Eli decided to prematurely fastball it into Simonson's gut in tight coverage instead of throwing a touch pass to OBJ in the back of the endzone. That's the play where the internet caught Shurmur mouthing "throw it to Odell". It was a design to Beckham where Eli lost his cool and made a bad choice. Another is the throw to Shephard that connected on the first scoring drive. It turned into a long completion but Shepard had his man beat, a dart on his inside shoulder may go for 6 but he has to adjust to an underthrown outside shoulder throw. I think Eli put it there on purpose but that was a poor decision by him. Those are two big ones off the top of my head that would have been an extra 11 points.


He didn't prematurely throw it into Simonson's gut, he literally had odell but probably thought it was too tight and went to his next read, then went to Simonson, I think Elison was behind Odell which was probably read 2. He had odell though and should have hit him quick.

Eli hit Sheppard on that throw and it was about 45 yards in the air in my altered state of doing mathematics. I don't think Eli ever makes that throw when it turns to 6. The other DB was coming over from the other side of the field with a decent angle so more than likely a better throw only gains at best 10 more yards before he would've been tackled by the other DB.

Frankly pin pointing all these little plays when he went for just short of 400 yards is missing our failures in this game. Lack of blocking in the first half set us up to not succeed. The protection got better as the game went on but our Oline set the stage in the first half for our lack on "rythm"
slacker  
AcesUp : 10/23/2018 1:31 am : link
We had 6 points until the end of the 4th quarter. I'm not pinpointing throws, I'm pointing to what I think are decisions by Eli that are leaving points on the board. I don't think he trusts himself to make throws that NFL QBs should trust themselves making. These are missed opportunities that are leaving points on the board and leaving us in the position of having 6 points of offense despite these stats.
RE: slacker  
montanagiant : 10/23/2018 1:36 am : link
In comment 14142420 AcesUp said:
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We had 6 points until the end of the 4th quarter. I'm not pinpointing throws, I'm pointing to what I think are decisions by Eli that are leaving points on the board. I don't think he trusts himself to make throws that NFL QBs should trust themselves making. These are missed opportunities that are leaving points on the board and leaving us in the position of having 6 points of offense despite these stats.

He had no running game for the entire 4 qtrs and 1-2 secs to throw the ball for 3 qtrs. Seriously, WTF do you expect?
RE: Gotta love BBI  
B in ALB : 10/23/2018 1:39 am : link
In comment 14142387 dep026 said:
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This is a poor look for you chopper. Like B said... you’re better than this. Sleep it off my friend.


Don't speak for me dep. This is a disaster. Nothing will resonate tonight. That's it.
More than 6 points  
AcesUp : 10/23/2018 1:39 am : link
vs. he 31st ranked defense in the pinball era. There are a ton of problems on this team but I would hope we're at the point, after years of ineptitude, that we can criticize Eli for what he does wrong. He's the QB of a historically bad offense, across multiple front offices/OLs/coaching staffs when teams are scoring at a record pace. He's missing shit. Open your eyes.

Why are we still having this debate?
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montanagiant : 10/23/2018 1:39 am : link
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Where he missed Beckham for a TD?

The only play I saw that could be construed is the one where OBJ misread the coverage and ran the route as if it were man rather than zone?

And before I get called out for this... Witten, Young, and Matt Hasselebck said the same exact thing. Hasselbeck also slowed it down and showed all the extra movement as to why OBJ thought it was man. He said OBJ misread the coverage.



That's the back of the endzone play? Appears to be Eli to me and I remember Hasselback actually criticizing Eli there in the post game (which is rare as he usually defends).

The biggest play to me was the 4th down play where OBJ was iso'd against a single defender and Eli decided to prematurely fastball it into Simonson's gut in tight coverage instead of throwing a touch pass to OBJ in the back of the endzone. That's the play where the internet caught Shurmur mouthing "throw it to Odell". It was a design to Beckham where Eli lost his cool and made a bad choice. Another is the throw to Shephard that connected on the first scoring drive. It turned into a long completion but Shepard had his man beat, a dart on his inside shoulder may go for 6 but he has to adjust to an underthrown outside shoulder throw. I think Eli put it there on purpose but that was a poor decision by him. Those are two big ones off the top of my head that would have been an extra 11 points.



He didn't prematurely throw it into Simonson's gut, he literally had odell but probably thought it was too tight and went to his next read, then went to Simonson, I think Elison was behind Odell which was probably read 2. He had odell though and should have hit him quick.

Eli hit Sheppard on that throw and it was about 45 yards in the air in my altered state of doing mathematics. I don't think Eli ever makes that throw when it turns to 6. The other DB was coming over from the other side of the field with a decent angle so more than likely a better throw only gains at best 10 more yards before he would've been tackled by the other DB.

Frankly pin pointing all these little plays when he went for just short of 400 yards is missing our failures in this game. Lack of blocking in the first half set us up to not succeed. The protection got better as the game went on but our Oline set the stage in the first half for our lack on "rythm"

400 yards with a 71% completion percentage and zero running game for 4 qtrs. The fact we could not sniff a decent running game and accomplishing those stats it's ridiculous to complain about Eli
RE: RE: Gotta love BBI  
dep026 : 10/23/2018 1:40 am : link
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This is a poor look for you chopper. Like B said... you’re better than this. Sleep it off my friend.



Don't speak for me dep. This is a disaster. Nothing will resonate tonight. That's it.


Apologies. You went the route that I should have.
Montana  
AcesUp : 10/23/2018 1:41 am : link
Wake the fuck up and stop having micro arguments. Step back and look at the whole shitty picture.
Why create this thread  
Knineteen : 10/23/2018 1:47 am : link
AFTER Eli throws for 399 yards?

I mean, 399 yards is pretty professional in my eyes.
RE: Montana  
montanagiant : 10/23/2018 1:47 am : link
In comment 14142429 AcesUp said:
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Wake the fuck up and stop having micro arguments. Step back and look at the whole shitty picture.

Oh, so I shouldn't bring up the fact he was 13 for 15 in the first half while completely under siege. Take your own fucking advice and understand that this game involves a team effort, That this game requires multiple moving parts to work in cohesion with each other and sitting here blaming a QB with no running game who just put up 400 yards while constantly under pressure has to be about the most absurd line of argument one could make
RE: Why create this thread  
montanagiant : 10/23/2018 1:48 am : link
In comment 14142431 Knineteen said:
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AFTER Eli throws for 399 yards?

I mean, 399 yards is pretty professional in my eyes.

Shh...That's a "Micro Argument" whatever the fuck that means
montana  
AcesUp : 10/23/2018 1:54 am : link
If that's a hard concept for you to understand then it totally makes sense that you're willing to die on that hill.
RE: RE: Why create this thread  
chopperhatch : 10/23/2018 2:13 am : link
In comment 14142433 montanagiant said:
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AFTER Eli throws for 399 yards?

I mean, 399 yards is pretty professional in my eyes.


Shh...That's a "Micro Argument" whatever the fuck that means


I think you are being intentionally obtuse by saying you have never heard of a "microargument." A microargument is when you pount out a stand out stat or fact as way to combat an accusation of poor performance. In this example, pointing out Eli's 399 stupid yards is a microargument to the point of those critical of his incessant failures in the red zone, being skittish in his reads because of a poor O line and missing throws when they are there. Those 399 yards are also against one of the very worst defenses in football. Microargument.


Btw, you dont have to be INTENETIONALLY obtuse. We can see that you're obtuse when you arent deloberately so to make a point.
Eli is more than likely done after this year  
widmerseyebrow : 10/23/2018 2:54 am : link
But the desire to bury him now is so great some posters are going to spot "missed" throws for the rest of the year whether they are there or not. This was hardly his worst game, but whatever. Enjoy being in agony for another 9 games I guess.
Eli look ok  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/23/2018 5:23 am : link
Almost 400 yards and no INT, with a porous oline. I admire his grit and savvy, especially when you compare him to Carr or the kid getting killed in Arizona.
RE: Can someone tell me the play  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/23/2018 5:34 am : link
In comment 14142400 dep026 said:
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Where he missed Beckham for a TD?

The only play I saw that could be construed is the one where OBJ misread the coverage and ran the route as if it were man rather than zone?

And before I get called out for this... Witten, Young, and Matt Hasselebck said the same exact thing. Hasselbeck also slowed it down and showed all the extra movement as to why OBJ thought it was man. He said OBJ misread the coverage.

Throw to Odell - ( New Window )
Have no idea how anyone can say “399 yards”..  
Sean : 10/23/2018 5:46 am : link
watch the fucking game. Eli missed Beckham on 2 TD’s. He is never the reason for wins anymore.
Open  
jeff57 : 10/23/2018 5:50 am : link
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Link - ( New Window )
With 5  
Les in TO : 10/23/2018 6:03 am : link
Minutes left in the game this team had 6 points against the worst defense in the nfl. I don’t care about yards or completion percentage distorted by garbage time. When the game mattered Comical Eli put smiles on the faces of the falcons.
Eli had an outstanding game  
micky : 10/23/2018 6:25 am : link
By the stats proves he should be kept as qb of future
RE: With 5  
dep026 : 10/23/2018 6:35 am : link
In comment 14142465 Les in TO said:
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Minutes left in the game this team had 6 points against the worst defense in the nfl. I don’t care about yards or completion percentage distorted by garbage time. When the game mattered Comical Eli put smiles on the faces of the falcons.


Another BBI gem. Just a troll at this point.
And Eli probably should have thrown it  
dep026 : 10/23/2018 6:36 am : link
To Odell here but he also put it on the hands of another player.

We are criticizing Eli for throwing the ball that hit the player in the hands. Think about that.
RE: RE: This well go over well  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 10/23/2018 6:42 am : link
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Oh, great....more opinions from dep! Just what this place needs.

You are mocked on every single thread you post on, told me via email that you were done with this site, yet here you are. Honestly wouldnt care if I didnt see you battling every day with 15 posters calling you an idiot.


B. Im more or less referring to how he treats this offseason. If he doesnt retire, it is very clear what he is all about. If he were running around looking downfield all game and taking sacks that way, I wouldnt care. But he is letting his team down in a way that I have never seen a two time champion do. If he doesnt retire at the end of the year, its all about the money.


The 3rd and 2 play where he immediately threw it to Barkley 6 yds behind the LOS with 3 defenders waiting for him did it for me... he cannot move in the pocket, cannot throw a screen pass , can not throw on the run , and misses too many wide open receivers in big spots.

Love what Eli has done for NYG but it’s easy to see they need a QB with some mobility. Its not fair to Eli what the Giants have done to his career the last 5-6 years. Time to move on after the bye...
it was a sh$t throw to a sh$t player  
hitdog42 : 10/23/2018 6:42 am : link
when your best player is wide open 5 yards from you and is also the number 1 option on a well designed play that every team in the NFL runs successfully to there best player.
jam the ball to a 3rd string street tight end covered or throw to main option right in front of your face.

its a bad play period-

the ball to the corner of the endzone is a different story.
this one however is horrible
RE: RE: RE: This well go over well  
dep026 : 10/23/2018 6:45 am : link
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Oh, great....more opinions from dep! Just what this place needs.

You are mocked on every single thread you post on, told me via email that you were done with this site, yet here you are. Honestly wouldnt care if I didnt see you battling every day with 15 posters calling you an idiot.


B. Im more or less referring to how he treats this offseason. If he doesnt retire, it is very clear what he is all about. If he were running around looking downfield all game and taking sacks that way, I wouldnt care. But he is letting his team down in a way that I have never seen a two time champion do. If he doesnt retire at the end of the year, its all about the money.



The 3rd and 2 play where he immediately threw it to Barkley 6 yds behind the LOS with 3 defenders waiting for him did it for me... he cannot move in the pocket, cannot throw a screen pass , can not throw on the run , and misses too many wide open receivers in big spots.

Love what Eli has done for NYG but it’s easy to see they need a QB with some mobility. Its not fair to Eli what the Giants have done to his career the last 5-6 years. Time to move on after the bye...


You know that was a designed play and it was the only person he could throw too? The WRs were blocking and our OL were downfield.

That wasn’t a dump off, that was the called play.
He isn’t stealing  
Les in TO : 10/23/2018 7:00 am : link
But Clueless John Mara was dumb enough to give him a 4 year 84 million extension in 2015 after missing the playoffs for 3 straight years in part because of Eli’s play

Manning face after a big sack has become a league joke as is the fact that he’s catnip for struggling opposing defenses. They can barely hide their excitement knowing they are going up against a QB who runs slower than most linemen
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