There is absolutely now way that he couldlook back on his performances the past two weeks and honestly think that he is still a competent QB for this team. Absolutely gun shy, rushing through his reads where he misses TDs to guys like Barkley amd ODB in favor of 3 yard dump offs. The line has been terrible, but when they have held up, Eli misses throws. Shurmur has been terrible but he has called many plays that opened up down the field and Eli either didnt see it, missed the thtow or checked out to a dump off.
Eli Manning is completely done as a pro QB. Not just "for this situation" done in all regards. He plays afraid, hesitates from fear of throwing a pick, and lacks that killer instinct.
If he continues to claim he is the same QB that led them to two SBs, shame on him for merely chasing a paycheck at this point. While the larger egg lies on John Mara's face if he continues to put his faith in Eli's abilities, Eli has become all about the dollar at this point and fuck him for doing so.
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In comment 14142380 chopperhatch said:
But you have to sell it !!! Not just call hike and throw it to him that far behind the LOS!
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Oh, great....more opinions from dep! Just what this place needs.
You are mocked on every single thread you post on, told me via email that you were done with this site, yet here you are. Honestly wouldnt care if I didnt see you battling every day with 15 posters calling you an idiot.
B. Im more or less referring to how he treats this offseason. If he doesnt retire, it is very clear what he is all about. If he were running around looking downfield all game and taking sacks that way, I wouldnt care. But he is letting his team down in a way that I have never seen a two time champion do. If he doesnt retire at the end of the year, its all about the money.
The 3rd and 2 play where he immediately threw it to Barkley 6 yds behind the LOS with 3 defenders waiting for him did it for me... he cannot move in the pocket, cannot throw a screen pass , can not throw on the run , and misses too many wide open receivers in big spots.
Love what Eli has done for NYG but it’s easy to see they need a QB with some mobility. Its not fair to Eli what the Giants have done to his career the last 5-6 years. Time to move on after the bye...
You know that was a designed play and it was the only person he could throw too? The WRs were blocking and our OL were downfield.
That wasn’t a dump off, that was the called play.
If that was the designed call than it was a pretty shitty call with a trio of defenders waiting for him.
If that was the designed call than it was a pretty shitty call with a trio of defenders waiting for him.
There’s nothing to sell on the play. It was just a horrendous call.
...putting aside his age/salary, is that there are a minimum of 15 other QBs in the NFL who can create something when the blocking breaks down, ESPECIALLY in the red zone.
Last night, Giants were knocking on the door and on 3rd down the Falcons rushed 3 guys. Eli had a lot of time, couldn't find anyone, but rather than extend the play by rolling out (and putting maximum pressure on defense) Eli did a half turn into the waiting arms of the defensive tackle.
Eli poses zero threat to a defense in the red zone and that's a very large reason why the Giants are the worst team in the NFL.
For those very few Eli hold outs, prepare yourselves for the inevitable: Our 2-time Super Bowl MVP is finished and will not be on the 2019 roster.
Waited about 1.2 seconds.
And let’s not put engram in that group. Laid a humongous egg.
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20 points versus one of the worst defenses in the league. Forget the line, a QB that can be creative in the pocket destroys that team. Instead Eli sits in the pocket and waits to be sacked.
Waited about 1.2 seconds.
And let’s not put engram in that group. Laid a humongous egg.
If Eli could learn how to slide and step up and roll instead of planting his feet like they had cement in them, he would have more than 1.2 seconds. QBs sometimes have to make plays to get defenders off the refeivers, Eli does not have that ability.
And engram has the ability to be a game changing receiving tight end. His blocking does him no favors but this offense should leave the defense guessing every play, instead it's the most predictable one I've seen in years.
Reading some of these threads, you just described yourself perfectly.
The irony here is strong
Vicious. Could have been roughing the passer...
Eli wants to play and wants to win, physically he just can’t. He’s not stealing money, he’s just having a hard time grasping the fact that he’s done.
We are criticizing Eli for throwing the ball that hit the player in the hands. Think about that.
Odell was wide open for an easy touchdown and he threw it across his body into coverage. Holy shit dep get off the high horse.
He wasn’t terrible last night, he wasn’t our worst player last night but there are opportunities he left on the field.
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To Odell here but he also put it on the hands of another player.
We are criticizing Eli for throwing the ball that hit the player in the hands. Think about that.
Odell was wide open for an easy touchdown and he threw it across his body into coverage. Holy shit dep get off the high horse.
He wasn’t terrible last night, he wasn’t our worst player last night but there are opportunities he left on the field.
Agreed. Again, the miss to Odell was probably his most glaring mistake. But the fact we need to nitpick a 400 yard performance when....
We couldn’t run it to save our life
We forced one punt in the last 3 quarters
Eli threw for 400 yards
He threw it deep very accurately
He was hitting intermediate routes that went for big chunks
He was given ZERO protection in the first half
I mean there have been a lot of times to crucify Eli this year. Last night was not one of them.
We also could have won if Eli played better than an average QB. He had a good game statistically, but he left plenty of plays out there. Reminder - the Falcons D stinks.
Eli didn't lose us the game though. He made some good plays, some bad ones, and left quite a few incomplete that could have changed the course of the game for the better.
So did Odell, Shepard, Barkley, our OL, Engram, Simonson....
Nevermind IAEF.
That's twice now for some inexplicable reason Eli is trying to force a ball to that guy, who was just as surprised as I was that he was targeted.
So you’re saying those others players didn’t cost us points, only Eli? It’s a simple question.
No playoff wins in 7 years
Ownership not changing
Management and coaching changed
QB is next and we are watching the farewell
4-19
We are arguably the worst team in the league
IMO We need 8 new starters including a QB
What is your number ?
Lol... this place.
Lol... this place.
he wasnt awful but when you cant execute in the redzone then its mostly for nothing- the miss on OBJ on the roll out was there chance ---- other times they stall because he is zero threat and the defense knows that---
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Means he didn’t play well. Moving up and down the field with basically no run game means nothing.
Lol... this place.
he wasnt awful but when you cant execute in the redzone then its mostly for nothing- the miss on OBJ on the roll out was there chance ---- other times they stall because he is zero threat and the defense knows that---
Ok I agree he missed OBJ there. But blaming the game on a play like that is like blaming OBJ for the game because he misread a defense or blaming Barkley because he couldnt get in the end zone on 3rd and goal.
We moved the ball pretty well last night. We were in the their red zone 6 times. Thats where the game was lost.
Eli missed OBJ
OBJ misread a defense
Some pretty poor play design
Engram not reading a defense on a simple out pattern.
Our FB and TE getting blown up on 3rd and goal
This is why we arent good. I know people like to blame Eli for everything, but even our best players make mistakes that cost us. We are a losing franchise right now with some very good players. Which is the maddening part.
But we will criticize the next QB too so don’t get so upset...
What more to discuss?
But we will criticize the next QB too so don’t get so upset...
I am not sure if this is true. The next QB cant lose. If he stinks, well Eli stunk to end his career. If he does well, we will hear how he can make plays that Eli couldnt.
The new QB is going to step into a great situation.
So some good, some bad. Did anyone honestly expect any different?
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But we will criticize the next QB too so don’t get so upset...
I am not sure if this is true. The next QB cant lose. If he stinks, well Eli stunk to end his career. If he does well, we will hear how he can make plays that Eli couldnt.
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Don’t worry buttercup. I will make sure we criticize the new guy. If only to make you feel better for your loss...
Don’t worry buttercup. I will make sure we criticize the new guy. If only to make you feel better for your loss...
Make sure you consult the drunkards in section 212 first. Cause again, they know more than anyone else.
So some good, some bad. Did anyone honestly expect any different?
Nope that’s all there is. Good enough to still play QB. Not good enough to win consistently anymore in the NFL.
Eli has always played reasonably well indoors. And this was a game against swiss cheese Atlanta. So this was going to be a temporary deodorant to cover up this Eli nosedive.
But beyond the gaudy stats, as mentioned above, Eli couldn’t deliver when points were at stake. He’s bringing nothing to the table right now but experience. And that’s been worth one win so far.
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AFTER Eli throws for 399 yards?
I mean, 399 yards is pretty professional in my eyes.
Shh...That's a "Micro Argument" whatever the fuck that means
I think you are being intentionally obtuse by saying you have never heard of a "microargument." A microargument is when you pount out a stand out stat or fact as way to combat an accusation of poor performance. In this example, pointing out Eli's 399 stupid yards is a microargument to the point of those critical of his incessant failures in the red zone, being skittish in his reads because of a poor O line and missing throws when they are there. Those 399 yards are also against one of the very worst defenses in football. Microargument.
Btw, you dont have to be INTENETIONALLY obtuse. We can see that you're obtuse when you arent deloberately so to make a point.
I know what it means I just don't see where it applies here given that I have pointed out his stats, the fact we had zero running game, and the hellish pressure he faced for the majority of the game. How is that a "Micro Argument"?
Now, seizing on a missed pass to OBJ now that would be a micro argument
The problem is the OL is always one breakdown away from killing a drive. They pick up a first down or two then bam sack, now it’s 2nd or 3rd and long. Sometimes they go extended stretches in games with bad play. Then we see multiple 3 and outs and then the defense is on the field forever.
Terrible OL and a weak pass rush on defense. Those are the root causes of the problems for the Giants right now.
I know Eli isn't the #1 culprit but I don't see anybody out there defending Nate Solder or Chad Wheeler. When I reference "micro arguments", I'm talking about a good chunk of this board's compulsion to point to one of our many issues as a means of saying "Eli is fine" when the reality is that he's the QB of a historically and consistently bad offense for 3 seasons now. He's open to criticism, especially on plays where our other issues aren't a factor. That's when you should be looking at him with a critical eye.
He should have thrown the ball to Beckham on the flare out instead of to Simonson. It was a tight window and needed a lot of touch, but he should have gone for it immediately.
Other than that, his lack of mobility is nothing new. A QB with mobility could extend plays and take off when defenses drop into coverage. And for that reason, given our O-line, it doesn't make sense to pay Eli next year what he is getting paid now. It's a losing strategy.
But it is strange to me to come away from last night's game with the take that Eli is the problem and the one stealing from the Giants.
The offensive line is as bad as any line I have ever seen in my life. They were getting blown off the line by 3-man rushes and Barkley has to break off contact by multiple defenders just to get to the line of scrimmage.
What's insane about this offensive line is that there isn't a single player on the line that is reliable. Solder was embarrassed by speed rushes all night, Hernandez is a rookie who lost quite a few battles when the DLineman makes a swim move to the inside, and the Center, RG, and RT, are all the type of guys who get cut in a Hard Knocks episode.
File this under the: I'm mad because I'm a fan so I'm going to call your character into question.
Fuckin bullshit.
Everyone noticed it from the analysts to catching the coaches and players.