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Nate Solder, this needs to be discussed

cjac : 10/23/2018 8:26 am
This quote after the game really bothered me

"I would blame it on myself. I didn't come out fully prepared and ready to go."

You didn't come out fully prepared and ready to go?
The last game was 11 days ago? What the fuck is going to happen this week with only 6 days to prepare? And why werent you prepared? Why werent you ready to go? This is the guy who we brought in to protect the QB blind side? I'm all for admitting that you didnt play well, but you didnt prepare? This is inexcusable.
That human waste product, Flowers,  
RottenApple : 10/23/2018 8:29 am : link
basically said the same after the first game. If possible, Solder is worse than Flowers, but as long as his jersey does not have "Flowers" on the back, all is well.
Flowers said something similar that one time, haha...  
KerrysFlask : 10/23/2018 8:29 am : link
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Player speak...  
section125 : 10/23/2018 8:30 am : link
I'm sure he was prepared. He just sucked. He is, at best, slightly better than Flowers. Very disappointed. I knew he was not great. Was hoping for average to good. He is neither.
The quotes  
mittenedman : 10/23/2018 8:30 am : link
that come out of this fucking team.

I don’t like water. I thought Calais Campbell was a speed rusher.

They can all go away. Solder should be moved to RT downn the road and cut whenever possible.
I'm hoping that's just an athlete not thinking through his response  
jcn56 : 10/23/2018 8:30 am : link
when commenting after a shit game. Because otherwise, we have Ereck Flowers with a much higher price tag.
He’s very slow  
Tuckrule : 10/23/2018 8:33 am : link
He always had trouble with speed rushers but now it’s just a glaring weakness. We have no tackles and only one guard. It’s pathetic that the leader of the offensive line is a rookie. Pulley is the second coming of JD Walton. A former starter who was injured and passed off to the giants. It’s a very depressing though to think we need to find 4 lineman 2 of which are
Tackles and not to mention a fucking qb.
Generally, he's better than Flowers, but he had a Flowers-like game  
Ira : 10/23/2018 8:34 am : link
last night. We got a guy who was a pretty good left tackle in the down side of his career. It wasn't a good signing by a team that was desperate to get o-line help.
This fan base  
ajr2456 : 10/23/2018 8:39 am : link
practically wet themselves when Gettleman said he was brining in hog mollies. I’ll give Hernandez a pass as he’s been serviceable and is a rookie, but the two signings were probably worse than any Reese oline signing.
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Diver_Down : 10/23/2018 8:41 am : link
He absolutely needs to play better. He won't be perfect. But he is a professional that was coached up under the Patriots regime so he knows what it takes and what is expected. He is not holding up his end of the bargain.

Many are quick in judgement to blame DG. But he really had no choice given the state of the OL when he was hired. Flowers was not an option. Flowers, if it wasn't for his draft status and guaranteed contract, would have been gone right behind Hart for quitting. With no other LT capable and the lack of available FAs, Solder was able to leverage the need of the Giants to be paid as a top LT.

Blame Reese for forcing DG to shop hungry.

Regardless of blame, he is here and will be for next year at minimum. If he doesn't live up to his and the team's expectations, he won't be here for 2020. Nate's Contract

I think the first thing that needs to happen with the OL is to fire Hal Hunter. It sounds like scapegoating, but he has only been an OL coach for losing, shitty lines his entire career. If Nate wasn't prepared, then Nate needs to own it, but what is Hal's role in helping to prepare these guys? Flowers thought Calais was a speed rusher when he demonstrated his best Karate Kid.
No argument here...he has been terrible  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 10/23/2018 8:42 am : link
and perhaps it shows that when you come from such a demanding situation, as in New England, where you either do what the coach tells you or you're gone, you can't handle being given a little freedom.

Solder was an okay left tackle, incredibly overpaid, and we all knew that. The problem again is when you draft so poorly and do not develop players this is the result.

Someone posted earlier that Eli is stealing money from the Giants. No, there are several people stealing money from the Giants starting with Solder, Jenkins, Omameh, Apple not to mention the head coach.

Sad, sad situation...again, blame is on Mara, no one else. He allowed this to happen. I have no idea where to go from here...only reason to watch is to watch Saquon. This is what happens when you allow losing to infiltrate your organization, when you allow people with incredibly bad attitudes to be part of your group (ie. Flowers). It just takes one bad apple.
Whomever is in charge of pro personnel  
ron mexico : 10/23/2018 8:45 am : link
Needs to go.

Every FA signing has been a disaster.

If it wasn't for a strong draft I'd say DG should go too
RE: This fan base  
Tuckrule : 10/23/2018 8:46 am : link
In comment 14142708 ajr2456 said:
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practically wet themselves when Gettleman said he was brining in hog mollies. I’ll give Hernandez a pass as he’s been serviceable and is a rookie, but the two signings were probably worse than any Reese oline signing.


Um Hernandez is a top rated guard he’s in the top 5 in the NFL. He’s just a tad better than serviceable. Very nice of you to give him a pass
This is what happens  
Les in TO : 10/23/2018 8:46 am : link
When you mistakenly give big contracts to players who had the halo effect of winning with superior surrounding talent.
RE: No argument here...he has been terrible  
cjac : 10/23/2018 8:48 am : link
In comment 14142719 That’s Gold, Jerry said:
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It just takes one bad apple.


Or 2 bad Eli's
Outside the massive contract..  
Dodge : 10/23/2018 8:49 am : link
what would have been the alternative?
Hindsight is 20/20  
Rjanyg : 10/23/2018 8:49 am : link
But lets say they kept Flowers and let him and Wheeler fight for the LT spot and instead they spent all that money on a RT, Fluker at RG and a free agent Center.

Would our line be better overall? Maybe.

This is for sure, Solder had a bad game last night.
RE: RE: This fan base  
giants#1 : 10/23/2018 8:50 am : link
In comment 14142726 Tuckrule said:
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In comment 14142708 ajr2456 said:


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practically wet themselves when Gettleman said he was brining in hog mollies. I’ll give Hernandez a pass as he’s been serviceable and is a rookie, but the two signings were probably worse than any Reese oline signing.



Um Hernandez is a top rated guard he’s in the top 5 in the NFL. He’s just a tad better than serviceable. Very nice of you to give him a pass


Hernandez played well the first 6 games and looks like a potential pro-bowler down the line, but he was not good last night.
Across the board, the entire OL wasn't good.  
Diver_Down : 10/23/2018 9:01 am : link
It just so happens that our tackles were glaringly bad compared to the rest. Hernandez didn't have a good game, but he drew a tough assignment and he is 6 games into his career. He has shown progress and improved play over his short tenure so the needle is pointing up. Wheeler has no future. Being thrown into the game after Flowers being benched, you expect the rough play. But last night, he was physically thrown into Eli's lap. Pulley was getting pushed back worse than Richburg used to. The lone bright spot was Greco and that isn't saying much.
I think Solder poor play is  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/23/2018 9:05 am : link
coming from the sum of the line.

Hernandez looks lost on stunts. He will get better, but its effecting Solder as well.

One of the sacks, Pulley and Hernandez got beat inside really bad. Solder was fanning his guy out, and if Eli had some sort of a pocket to step up into Solder would have looked just fine.

The interior of our offensive line is just terrible. I think we'll see more competent play once 3rd stringers and backups are no longer playing there.

Solder  
AcidTest : 10/23/2018 9:27 am : link
was a terrible signing. As someone said, he's always had problems with speed rushers, a problem that is now much worse given his age. The fact that there were no other options doesn't mean that we should have signed Solder. We could have signed someone else much more cheaply for the level of play that Solder is providing. Solder was a product of the FO wrongly concluding that Eli had three or four more years left. One bad decision begets another.

Because of his contract, Solder is likely here at least through next year. But I'd consider cutting him after this season despite the massive cap hit for doing so. Purge everyone, and eat all the bad cap hits in one year to clear everything for 2020.

Right now, I'd bench Solder, and move Wheeler back to his more natural position of LT.
Whitworth and Ramcyk  
WillVAB : 10/23/2018 9:27 am : link
Should be the tackles on this team right now.
This is a loser team with a loser mentality.  
lawguy9801 : 10/23/2018 9:29 am : link
And a quiet QB who won't get in the face of an offensive line that, while certainly not All-Pros, should at least be serviceable.
There's a belief  
mittenedman : 10/23/2018 9:39 am : link
from Patriots land that when someone leaves the ridiculously tough and rigid environment of Bill Belichick, coupled with a big free agent payday, there is a natural tendency to take your foot off the gas. Solder has off-field issues and is a very rich man. What we're seeing is human nature and it's why you don't build through free agency.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/23/2018 9:40 am : link
Long story short... this organization still cannot evaluate offensive linemen.
He's been an overpaid disapointment.  
Blue21 : 10/23/2018 9:42 am : link
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RE: Whomever is in charge of pro personnel  
jcn56 : 10/23/2018 9:44 am : link
In comment 14142725 ron mexico said:
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Needs to go.

Every FA signing has been a disaster.

If it wasn't for a strong draft I'd say DG should go too


That strong draft was courtesy of picking 2nd overall. Once you get beyond Hill, you're getting nothing again.

Diver_Down - that's about as much bullshit as I've ever seen posted. Don't blame Gettleman for Solder?! Solder is just as bad as Flowers, and he handed him a huge contract. The idea was to fire Reese and get someone in here who made better decisions, not the same mistakes.
ron mexico  
arniefez : 10/23/2018 9:45 am : link
That's Chris Mara's area of expertise. One of the very few jobs he ever had in his life was writing a newsletter evaluating NFL free agents before there was an internet or scouting groups. About a dozen NFL teams bought it as a favor to his father. His other job was GM of an area team for a few years. That's the guy who has the title SR VP Player Evaluation for the Giants. You can't make this up no one would believe it.

I feel so bad for all of us who invest so much emotion in the Giants. Unless the Tisch family steps in and insists that Chris Mara "retires" there really is no hope for us. Look at what has happened to the on field product since he took over his current role.
RE: ...  
jcn56 : 10/23/2018 9:46 am : link
In comment 14142908 Eric from BBI said:
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Long story short... this organization still cannot evaluate offensive linemen players.


FIFY. Not sure why we're surprised either - it's all the same scouts with two different guys in charge of them (and one of those two was here until a few years ago).
Pulley and Solder  
BBelle21 : 10/23/2018 9:51 am : link
Were incredibly painful to watch last night. The whole line also looked so confused that I wouldn’t mind having Eli call their protections from now on. Not that any of it matters anymore, but maybe they wouldn’t look like such an utter embarrassment.
The fact that he is bad  
AcesUp : 10/23/2018 10:11 am : link
Is what's alarming. I think anybody with realistic expectations thought we were signing a middling starter out of desperation. However, he's been bad. Really bad. A slight tick better than Flowers was last year and just about any bargain player we could have tried to plug in there.

The Patriots took creative means to try to fill that hole - they drafted what many considered a guard to play LT in round 1 and traded a 3rd round pick for an ascending young veteran. They got creative and took a two-pronged approach, one got hurt and the other worked out to the point where they upgraded the position. When Wynn comes back, they can plug him in at another position. We threw money at a problem.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/23/2018 10:13 am : link
He blows. Next question?
He's been a gigantic disappointment.  
Beezer : 10/23/2018 10:15 am : link

Weeks ago I thought perhaps there were 3 of the 5 pieces on the field for the O-line.

Last night, it was depressing to realize that there may be just one, in Hernandez. And that's not an upgrade over last season. The line was a sieve last night.
RE: ...  
Jay in Toronto : 10/23/2018 10:20 am : link
In comment 14142908 Eric from BBI said:
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Long story short... this organization still cannot evaluate offensive linemen.


Kinda like I thought about LB evaluation for a period.

So who is responsible?
As good as Hernandez has been as a rookie,  
Simms11 : 10/23/2018 10:31 am : link
he too was abysmal last night!!!! completely whiffing on blocks. Solder was absolutely horrendous as well. Flowers-like bad!!! I can't believe we gave this guy the money that we did, but he was supposed to be the best available LT in Free Agency. This Oline, IMO, is historically bad!
RE: ...  
NikkiMac : 10/23/2018 10:31 am : link
In comment 14142908 Eric from BBI said:
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Long story short... this organization still cannot evaluate offensive linemen.


What is it going to take 😳
Well  
Joey in VA : 10/23/2018 10:33 am : link
If you run 14 times and pass 38 with a smallish quick DL in front of you this is what you get and deserve. Lean on those little bastards for 3 quarters, run run run run run. Eventually they tire and you can do what you want but no, not us, we chuck it around the park all day with a QB who can't play anymore.
RE: Whitworth and Ramcyk  
Diver_Down : 10/23/2018 10:39 am : link
In comment 14142854 WillVAB said:
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Should be the tackles on this team right now.


There was no one on this site who wanted AW more. A prototypical LT who continues to play at the peak of his profession. It is part of the reason why the Rams are having success. Looking at his contract now, and he is a bargain. But not signing him has allowed the team to continue it's crater and rid us of Jerry/Ben. I'm grateful for not signing him just for that reason.
Solder was spoiled in NE  
jeff57 : 10/23/2018 10:40 am : link
Brady’s two-three step drops and quick release covered up for his deficiencies.
A HUGE problem with Solder is the middle of the OL  
VinegarPeppers : 10/23/2018 11:25 am : link
Solder's guy is generally getting to Eli via the outside speed rush. IF Eli takes ONE STEP forward Solder's man slides harmlessly by.

The collapse up the middle is so bad it often results in guards and centers BEHIND Eli and he simply cannot step up into the pocket.

The BIGGEST problem with Eli is the center and both guards.

I was a big Hernandez guy but he seems confused out there and unsure of what to do.

This is the worst OL I have seen since 1966. 3 of them couldn't even make the roster for most NFL teams.
Hal Hunter has more questions on his coaching resume than answers  
Anakim : 10/23/2018 11:27 am : link
Bring in Mike Tice!
RE: A HUGE problem with Solder is the middle of the OL  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/23/2018 11:31 am : link
In comment 14143280 VinegarPeppers said:
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Solder's guy is generally getting to Eli via the outside speed rush. IF Eli takes ONE STEP forward Solder's man slides harmlessly by.

The collapse up the middle is so bad it often results in guards and centers BEHIND Eli and he simply cannot step up into the pocket.

The BIGGEST problem with Eli is the center and both guards.

I was a big Hernandez guy but he seems confused out there and unsure of what to do.

This is the worst OL I have seen since 1966. 3 of them couldn't even make the roster for most NFL teams.


This is what I see. Hernandez confused on twists, and the middle ground just getting taken away, and Eli having no room to step up. It makes our Tackles look like crap even when they are doing their jobs.
RE: RE: Whitworth and Ramcyk  
WillVAB : 10/23/2018 3:54 pm : link
In comment 14143094 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14142854 WillVAB said:


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Should be the tackles on this team right now.



There was no one on this site who wanted AW more. A prototypical LT who continues to play at the peak of his profession. It is part of the reason why the Rams are having success. Looking at his contract now, and he is a bargain. But not signing him has allowed the team to continue it's crater and rid us of Jerry/Ben. I'm grateful for not signing him just for that reason.


I agree, it’s just frustrating that so many moves could’ve been made to improve the OL over the years and the prior regime passed.

This team had the best OL in the league from ‘05 to ‘11ish. Precipitously dropped to bad and more recently terrible.
The crazy part of that is many of us were talking about the OL  
JonC : 10/23/2018 4:17 pm : link
showing signs of decline in 2011, despite the SB win. While they eventually were forced to invest draft resources in the unit, it was already too late and their choices ... we know how those each worked out in the end.
RE: The crazy part of that is many of us were talking about the OL  
Go Terps : 10/23/2018 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14144539 JonC said:
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showing signs of decline in 2011, despite the SB win. While they eventually were forced to invest draft resources in the unit, it was already too late and their choices ... we know how those each worked out in the end.


I'd go even farther back. The Browns game in 2008 with Shaun Rogers obliterating us was a warning sign for Patterson and Bunkley dominating us in the playoff game.

It's just been a philosophical organizational failure.
You will never convince me that throwing big money  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/23/2018 4:23 pm : link
at a then-35 year old tackle was smart.

If the Giants make that signing, he 100% Seuberts his leg or the talent falls off a cliff the very next season. It's just what happens here.
Solder lost me after the Panthers game  
Mr. Bungle : 10/23/2018 4:25 pm : link
when he raved that he was never more proud to be a Giant. Sitting there at 1-4 after losing a winnable game. Really bad time and place to be waving pride pom-poms, if you ask me.

It's like Belichick does a memory wipe of these players (and coaches) when they leave New England. They don't seem to bring "the Patriot way" with them to other places very much, do they...
RE: Solder lost me after the Panthers game  
ron mexico : 10/23/2018 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14144562 Mr. Bungle said:
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when he raved that he was never more proud to be a Giant. Sitting there at 1-4 after losing a winnable game. Really bad time and place to be waving pride pom-poms, if you ask me.

It's like Belichick does a memory wipe of these players (and coaches) when they leave New England. They don't seem to bring "the Patriot way" with them to other places very much, do they...


In his defense, he hasn't had many other opportunities
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