This quote after the game really bothered me
"I would blame it on myself. I didn't come out fully prepared and ready to go."
You didn't come out fully prepared and ready to go?
The last game was 11 days ago? What the fuck is going to happen this week with only 6 days to prepare? And why werent you prepared? Why werent you ready to go? This is the guy who we brought in to protect the QB blind side? I'm all for admitting that you didnt play well, but you didnt prepare? This is inexcusable.
I don’t like water. I thought Calais Campbell was a speed rusher.
They can all go away. Solder should be moved to RT downn the road and cut whenever possible.
Tackles and not to mention a fucking qb.
Many are quick in judgement to blame DG. But he really had no choice given the state of the OL when he was hired. Flowers was not an option. Flowers, if it wasn't for his draft status and guaranteed contract, would have been gone right behind Hart for quitting. With no other LT capable and the lack of available FAs, Solder was able to leverage the need of the Giants to be paid as a top LT.
Blame Reese for forcing DG to shop hungry.
Regardless of blame, he is here and will be for next year at minimum. If he doesn't live up to his and the team's expectations, he won't be here for 2020. Nate's Contract
I think the first thing that needs to happen with the OL is to fire Hal Hunter. It sounds like scapegoating, but he has only been an OL coach for losing, shitty lines his entire career. If Nate wasn't prepared, then Nate needs to own it, but what is Hal's role in helping to prepare these guys? Flowers thought Calais was a speed rusher when he demonstrated his best Karate Kid.
Solder was an okay left tackle, incredibly overpaid, and we all knew that. The problem again is when you draft so poorly and do not develop players this is the result.
Someone posted earlier that Eli is stealing money from the Giants. No, there are several people stealing money from the Giants starting with Solder, Jenkins, Omameh, Apple not to mention the head coach.
Sad, sad situation...again, blame is on Mara, no one else. He allowed this to happen. I have no idea where to go from here...only reason to watch is to watch Saquon. This is what happens when you allow losing to infiltrate your organization, when you allow people with incredibly bad attitudes to be part of your group (ie. Flowers). It just takes one bad apple.
Every FA signing has been a disaster.
If it wasn't for a strong draft I'd say DG should go too
Um Hernandez is a top rated guard he’s in the top 5 in the NFL. He’s just a tad better than serviceable. Very nice of you to give him a pass
Or 2 bad Eli's
Would our line be better overall? Maybe.
This is for sure, Solder had a bad game last night.
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practically wet themselves when Gettleman said he was brining in hog mollies. I’ll give Hernandez a pass as he’s been serviceable and is a rookie, but the two signings were probably worse than any Reese oline signing.
Um Hernandez is a top rated guard he’s in the top 5 in the NFL. He’s just a tad better than serviceable. Very nice of you to give him a pass
Hernandez played well the first 6 games and looks like a potential pro-bowler down the line, but he was not good last night.
Hernandez looks lost on stunts. He will get better, but its effecting Solder as well.
One of the sacks, Pulley and Hernandez got beat inside really bad. Solder was fanning his guy out, and if Eli had some sort of a pocket to step up into Solder would have looked just fine.
The interior of our offensive line is just terrible. I think we'll see more competent play once 3rd stringers and backups are no longer playing there.
Because of his contract, Solder is likely here at least through next year. But I'd consider cutting him after this season despite the massive cap hit for doing so. Purge everyone, and eat all the bad cap hits in one year to clear everything for 2020.
Right now, I'd bench Solder, and move Wheeler back to his more natural position of LT.
Every FA signing has been a disaster.
If it wasn't for a strong draft I'd say DG should go too
That strong draft was courtesy of picking 2nd overall. Once you get beyond Hill, you're getting nothing again.
Diver_Down - that's about as much bullshit as I've ever seen posted. Don't blame Gettleman for Solder?! Solder is just as bad as Flowers, and he handed him a huge contract. The idea was to fire Reese and get someone in here who made better decisions, not the same mistakes.
I feel so bad for all of us who invest so much emotion in the Giants. Unless the Tisch family steps in and insists that Chris Mara "retires" there really is no hope for us. Look at what has happened to the on field product since he took over his current role.
FIFY. Not sure why we're surprised either - it's all the same scouts with two different guys in charge of them (and one of those two was here until a few years ago).
The Patriots took creative means to try to fill that hole - they drafted what many considered a guard to play LT in round 1 and traded a 3rd round pick for an ascending young veteran. They got creative and took a two-pronged approach, one got hurt and the other worked out to the point where they upgraded the position. When Wynn comes back, they can plug him in at another position. We threw money at a problem.
Weeks ago I thought perhaps there were 3 of the 5 pieces on the field for the O-line.
Last night, it was depressing to realize that there may be just one, in Hernandez. And that's not an upgrade over last season. The line was a sieve last night.
Kinda like I thought about LB evaluation for a period.
So who is responsible?
What is it going to take 😳
There was no one on this site who wanted AW more. A prototypical LT who continues to play at the peak of his profession. It is part of the reason why the Rams are having success. Looking at his contract now, and he is a bargain. But not signing him has allowed the team to continue it's crater and rid us of Jerry/Ben. I'm grateful for not signing him just for that reason.
The collapse up the middle is so bad it often results in guards and centers BEHIND Eli and he simply cannot step up into the pocket.
The BIGGEST problem with Eli is the center and both guards.
I was a big Hernandez guy but he seems confused out there and unsure of what to do.
This is the worst OL I have seen since 1966. 3 of them couldn't even make the roster for most NFL teams.
The collapse up the middle is so bad it often results in guards and centers BEHIND Eli and he simply cannot step up into the pocket.
The BIGGEST problem with Eli is the center and both guards.
I was a big Hernandez guy but he seems confused out there and unsure of what to do.
This is the worst OL I have seen since 1966. 3 of them couldn't even make the roster for most NFL teams.
This is what I see. Hernandez confused on twists, and the middle ground just getting taken away, and Eli having no room to step up. It makes our Tackles look like crap even when they are doing their jobs.
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Should be the tackles on this team right now.
There was no one on this site who wanted AW more. A prototypical LT who continues to play at the peak of his profession. It is part of the reason why the Rams are having success. Looking at his contract now, and he is a bargain. But not signing him has allowed the team to continue it's crater and rid us of Jerry/Ben. I'm grateful for not signing him just for that reason.
I agree, it’s just frustrating that so many moves could’ve been made to improve the OL over the years and the prior regime passed.
This team had the best OL in the league from ‘05 to ‘11ish. Precipitously dropped to bad and more recently terrible.
I'd go even farther back. The Browns game in 2008 with Shaun Rogers obliterating us was a warning sign for Patterson and Bunkley dominating us in the playoff game.
It's just been a philosophical organizational failure.
If the Giants make that signing, he 100% Seuberts his leg or the talent falls off a cliff the very next season. It's just what happens here.
It's like Belichick does a memory wipe of these players (and coaches) when they leave New England. They don't seem to bring "the Patriot way" with them to other places very much, do they...
It's like Belichick does a memory wipe of these players (and coaches) when they leave New England. They don't seem to bring "the Patriot way" with them to other places very much, do they...
In his defense, he hasn't had many other opportunities