I am an Eli fan. I supported the decision to bring him back this year. Mostly because I am not a believer in any of the rookie QB's.
Last night, despite how ugly this game was, despite how awful our O Line looked, we had a chance to potentially make a huge comeback, even after the questionable two point conversion.
With the ball on the goal line, Eli Manning, a 15 year veteran QB, a two time Super Bowl MVP and a supposed HOF QB, lined up under center and on two consecutive downs tried a QB sneak to squeeze in a TD. With no time outs, this play wastes a ton of time as it creates a pile.
Some will claim, the coach called the play. That may be, but am I supposed to believe that Eli Manning does not have the authority to change that call at the LOS when then team had been in a two minute drill?
Worse, is Eli not a strong enough leader to call what he felt was best? Did Eli think, him running a sneak was a good idea?
Even with the TD and a minute left, the odds of recovering an onside kick are slim so it may have been a moot point, but we never will know.
Shurmer is not a head coach. He is a good Offensive Coordinator but he is not a head coach.
Now you think he called two, back to back?
Now you think he called two, back to back?
Yep....and with SB in the backfield.
That's the coach.
And it's the wrong call(s).
Stop.. this isn't a rookie.. and if thats the rule than its on you for not getting the coach to let you make changes.. This is the kind of BS excuses bad employees make..
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what the coach tells you to run. End of story.
Stop.. this isn't a rookie.. and if thats the rule than its on you for not getting the coach to let you make changes.. This is the kind of BS excuses bad employees make..
Shurmer said in his press conference he called it and the team needs to execute.
"Manning has made them before and those calls gave them the best chance to win"
Now he could be covering for Eli but Eli has never called a sneak before this year.its Been 11 years up until this year.
You pass on those plays and stop the clock.
Piss poor playing calling in the heat of the game.
No excuses
2. people believe Eli was going to NOT be the team guy he is and run the play that the new head coach called, even if he disagreed, even if twice; then,
either they're disingenuous, or they're idiots.
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what the coach tells you to run. End of story.
Stop.. this isn't a rookie.. and if thats the rule than its on you for not getting the coach to let you make changes.. This is the kind of BS excuses bad employees make..
Bullshit. You've obviously never coached a day in your life. If my players don't run what we tell them to run, they don't play. There's no quicker way to the bench than insubordination.
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what the coach tells you to run. End of story.
Stop.. this isn't a rookie.. and if thats the rule than its on you for not getting the coach to let you make changes.. This is the kind of BS excuses bad employees make..
Bullshit. You've obviously never coached a day in your life. If my players don't run what we tell them to run, they don't play. There's no quicker way to the bench than insubordination.
If you're trying to argue that he SHOULD have the freedom to change, I agree with that. But if he doesn't, he doesn't.
I'll be happy when he's gone for the sole reason it will be interesting watching people posting wildly like a chicken with it's head cut off running around, looking for somebody to blame.
They ran the first sneak that the coach called - and based on what he saw on the field, I'm not sure what justification he would have had for audibling out, with halfway decent blocking he should have been in.
Now it gets called again - and if you audible out and it fails, it's all on you. Can't win.
2. people believe Eli was going to NOT be the team guy he is and run the play that the new head coach called, even if he disagreed, even if twice; then,
either they're disingenuous, or they're idiots.
Spot on.
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what the coach tells you to run. End of story.
Stop.. this isn't a rookie.. and if thats the rule than its on you for not getting the coach to let you make changes.. This is the kind of BS excuses bad employees make..
Bullshit. You've obviously never coached a day in your life. If my players don't run what we tell them to run, they don't play. There's no quicker way to the bench than insubordination.
That may be you coaching 7 year old.. but for all intensive purpose since the benching last year.. our coaches don't have the power to bench Eli.. not even when we are getting blown out.. not when he is unable to make any adjustments.. not when his life is threatened by the DL repeatedly hitting him..
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what the coach tells you to run. End of story.
Stop.. this isn't a rookie.. and if thats the rule than its on you for not getting the coach to let you make changes.. This is the kind of BS excuses bad employees make..
Bullshit. You've obviously never coached a day in your life. If my players don't run what we tell them to run, they don't play. There's no quicker way to the bench than insubordination.
That may be you coaching 7 year old.. but for all intensive purpose since the benching last year.. our coaches don't have the power to bench Eli.. not even when we are getting blown out.. not when he is unable to make any adjustments.. not when his life is threatened by the DL repeatedly hitting him..
And you know this how?
Let me guess, you're pulling it out of your ass right?
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what the coach tells you to run. End of story.
Stop.. this isn't a rookie.. and if thats the rule than its on you for not getting the coach to let you make changes.. This is the kind of BS excuses bad employees make..
Bullshit. You've obviously never coached a day in your life. If my players don't run what we tell them to run, they don't play. There's no quicker way to the bench than insubordination.
That may be you coaching 7 year old.. but for all intensive purpose since the benching last year.. our coaches don't have the power to bench Eli.. not even when we are getting blown out.. not when he is unable to make any adjustments.. not when his life is threatened by the DL repeatedly hitting him..
And you know this how?
Let me guess, you're pulling it out of your ass right?
The last coach to bench him got fired the very next game.. Giants as a team don't do that.. there was no reason to fire him right then and there.. he was getting fired at the end of the season anyhow.. but the fans went nuts and suddenly he had to be fired right then..
Then going for 2 straight QB sneaks just screams of a coach who has no awareness of the game. You need to stop the clock so the 1st play should have been a pass or they should have clocked it and set up a play. Bad teams find a way to lose and that's the trend here. Not saying they would have won but the coach blew the chance.
Eli did not play well, the OL WAS terrible again but coaching and play calling was the reason for the loss. The Tea are not helping the OL. That is on the coaches 7 games into the season still seeing the same mistakes. Shurmur needs to hand over the play calling to the OC so he can see what is really going on or he may be a one and done. He has been bad.
Yeah, they have this little thing called radio in the helmets that's allowed to be on in between plays....
This. Those plays didn’t come from the sideline. They were in clock conservation mode and in the hurry up. There’s usually a set of a few plays the QB can pick from to run.
Those were called by the QB
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Its pretty clear it was Eli's call
Coaches usually make the playcalls in the two minute drill and because of time running down, an audible is not usual.
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Its pretty clear it was Eli's call
This. Those plays didn’t come from the sideline. They were in clock conservation mode and in the hurry up. There’s usually a set of a few plays the QB can pick from to run.
Those were called by the QB
Wrong. Try again.
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Its pretty clear it was Eli's call
Yeah, they have this little thing called radio in the helmets that's allowed to be on in between plays....
true but Eli needs to make that call at the LOS based on how the def is lined up
I doubt PS is making that call right before the ball is snapped
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Its pretty clear it was Eli's call
This. Those plays didn’t come from the sideline. They were in clock conservation mode and in the hurry up. There’s usually a set of a few plays the QB can pick from to run.
Those were called by the QB
Wrong. Try again.
lol ok
That may be you coaching 7 year old.. but for all intensive purpose since the benching last year.. our coaches don't have the power to bench Eli.. not even when we are getting blown out.. not when he is unable to make any adjustments.. not when his life is threatened by the DL repeatedly hitting him..
Try again. Any player at any level who goes back to the sidelines and says "yeah, I thought the call sucked so I changed it" isn't going to be playing very long. And if our coaches don't have the power to sit someone for that, then we're much worse off than anyone here could fathom.
Those were called by the QB
Plays almost always come from the sideline in the two minute drill.
Again - if Eli has a set of a few plays the QB can pick from, why would he call two sneaks - from that small set - that he's never called before??
But then again - if you are under the impression that plays are coming from the QB in the two minute drill then your overall football knowledge is poor.
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what the coach tells you to run. End of story.
Stop.. this isn't a rookie.. and if thats the rule than its on you for not getting the coach to let you make changes.. This is the kind of BS excuses bad employees make..
Bullshit. You've obviously never coached a day in your life. If my players don't run what we tell them to run, they don't play. There's no quicker way to the bench than insubordination.
That may be you coaching 7 year old.. but for all intensive purpose since the benching last year.. our coaches don't have the power to bench Eli.. not even when we are getting blown out.. not when he is unable to make any adjustments.. not when his life is threatened by the DL repeatedly hitting him..
And you know this how?
Let me guess, you're pulling it out of your ass right?
The last coach to bench him got fired the very next game.. Giants as a team don't do that.. there was no reason to fire him right then and there.. he was getting fired at the end of the season anyhow.. but the fans went nuts and suddenly he had to be fired right then..
You could have saved everyone time by posting:
“Yup you are correct, pulled it right out of my ass”
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This. Those plays didn’t come from the sideline. They were in clock conservation mode and in the hurry up. There’s usually a set of a few plays the QB can pick from to run.
Those were called by the QB
Plays almost always come from the sideline in the two minute drill.
Again - if Eli has a set of a few plays the QB can pick from, why would he call two sneaks - from that small set - that he's never called before??
But then again - if you are under the impression that plays are coming from the QB in the two minute drill then your overall football knowledge is poor.
Those plays come from the QB because you don’t have time to set up the line and receivers.
The first play gets called in with a set of options based on the result of the previous play.
But carry on and keep showing off the knowledge.
I'll be happy when he's gone for the sole reason it will be interesting watching people posting wildly like a chicken with it's head cut off running around, looking for somebody to blame.
Or, blasphemous as this is to you, maybe they won't have to.
But carry on and keep showing off the knowledge.
One of us sold analytics and data to NFL teams and were in their offices and one didn’t.
But keep up with your schtick of thinking everyone who as a differing opinion than you is a moron.
While I'm mainly more in tune with the training staffs, I've been able to get to know a lot of coaches, and be there when they are talking about coaching.
So selling a team analytics gives you insight into who is calling the plays?
Did you really play that card?
Fucking laughable.
While I'm mainly more in tune with the training staffs, I've been able to get to know a lot of coaches, and be there when they are talking about coaching.
So selling a team analytics gives you insight into who is calling the plays?
Did you really play that card?
Fucking laughable.
I’ve also been in the room and talked to a number of countless about play calling.
Believe what you want I’ll believe what I want.
Even in those situations, audibles are rare and the QB is executing the call.
And of course there were outliers like Jim Kelly who basically called the plays throughout the game
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what the coach tells you to run. End of story.
Stop.. this isn't a rookie.. and if thats the rule than its on you for not getting the coach to let you make changes.. This is the kind of BS excuses bad employees make..
Bullshit. You've obviously never coached a day in your life. If my players don't run what we tell them to run, they don't play. There's no quicker way to the bench than insubordination.
That may be you coaching 7 year old.. but for all intensive purpose since the benching last year.. our coaches don't have the power to bench Eli.. not even when we are getting blown out.. not when he is unable to make any adjustments.. not when his life is threatened by the DL repeatedly hitting him..
And you know this how?
Let me guess, you're pulling it out of your ass right?
The last coach to bench him got fired the very next game.. Giants as a team don't do that.. there was no reason to fire him right then and there.. he was getting fired at the end of the season anyhow.. but the fans went nuts and suddenly he had to be fired right then..
You could have saved everyone time by posting:
“Yup you are correct, pulled it right out of my ass”
I am sorry you cannot follow my reasoning.. but a 2 time SB winning QB with over 15 year experience has the choice to change the play call.. May be I pulled it out of my ass but you go on believing that Eli had no choice but to follow exactly what PS said..
The Giants could've (probably should've) run the ball on first down. Either score a touchdown or exhaust the Patriots' final timeout. Seems obvious.
Instead, quarterback Eli Manning switched the play at the line of scrimmage and threw a back-shoulder pass to wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. in the corner of the end zone. Before Beckham could get his second foot down, Malcolm Butler slapped the ball from his grasp. Replays revealed he didn't complete the catch.
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Last night, The Giants were under a minute, with the clock running, and NO timeouts, and they were down two scores. They were in hurry-up mode. Shurmur called in the play, and Eli tried to run it. There wasn't time to get up to the line, make reads, and call audibles. They needed to score ASAP and kick off immediately to give them any semblance of a chance to score again.
Shurmur called it in, Eli ran it as quickly as they could get lined up.
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Last night, The Giants were under a minute, with the clock running, and NO timeouts, and they were down two scores. They were in hurry-up mode. Shurmur called in the play, and Eli tried to run it. There wasn't time to get up to the line, make reads, and call audibles. They needed to score ASAP and kick off immediately to give them any semblance of a chance to score again.
Shurmur called it in, Eli ran it as quickly as they could get lined up.
I'm not doubting Shurmur called it in.. just that someone like Eli Manning can make changes to the called play anytime he wants.. some here are suggesting that he can't do that.. that's the stupid part..
Look at what happens - the QB spends most of the time getting people lined up and making sure they are set before snapping it. His decision is often whether or not to clock the ball instead of changing the play. A running clock doesn't afford time to do that.
It really is like some of you just started watching the game recently. Seriously.