Thank you Jerry Reese

his tenure, and not the decline in performance at the end that ultimately cost him his job. Same as Coughlin, same as Eli.

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his phone is ringing off the hook with job offers

regardless of what's happened since???

Kind of interesting to see where the Giants would be now. Would sadly mean no Saquon (probably would've been better than the second worst team in the NFL).



Anyone got a portal to an alternate universe?

Thank you John Mara for keeping Reese five years too long.

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another stud 1st round pick by Jerry that doesnt look like he belongs

Corrected.

Yeah, that's possible. Jury is still out, was invisible last night.

n comment 14143664 Br00klyn said:

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another stud 1st round pick by Jerry that doesnt look like he belongs

the first round draft picks have input from both the Reese and Head Coach, and sometimes John Mara has a tie breaker.

Organizational fail by Reese, MacAdoo, and John Mara.

think that Jerry Reese actually built those two Super Bowl teams. He had some input, yes, but the 2007 team was Ernie's and a lot of the same players were still there for 2011.

I would suspect Gettleman had as much or more to do with it than Reese did. When Gettleman left, we went downhill very quickly.

In Reese we trust.
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In comment 14143703 That’s Gold, Jerry said:

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think that Jerry Reese actually built those two Super Bowl teams. He had some input, yes, but the 2007 team was Ernie's and a lot of the same players were still there for 2011. I would suspect Gettleman had as much or more to do with it than Reese did. When Gettleman left, we went downhill very quickly.

Who was the head of player personnel at the time?

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Plus he passed on Ramcyzk to take Engram.

In comment 14143703 That’s Gold, Jerry said:

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think that Jerry Reese actually built those two Super Bowl teams. He had some input, yes, but the 2007 team was Ernie's and a lot of the same players were still there for 2011. I would suspect Gettleman had as much or more to do with it than Reese did. When Gettleman left, we went downhill very quickly.

Considering one was pro personnel and the other the head of scouting, and we're referring to drafted players - I would suspect that you don't know much about football.

The drafts for the his last 6 years and FA cap miming moves have this as a bottom 5 NFL franchise. And that’s not changing.

Why watch this clown show? It’s a mess and the Mara’s are the cause. Reese was behind inept. They systematically blamed TCs staff then TC. Hired moron to replace TC amd let Reese continue w his staff intact.

There is no reason to watch this team this year and most likely next. The worst product in the market if you are honest.

In comment 14143658 bw in dc said:

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Thank you John Mara for keeping Reese five years too long.

Why are you blaming Reese for being here too long when clearly it's Mara pulling the strings and making those draft selections?

In comment 14143703 That’s Gold, Jerry said:

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think that Jerry Reese actually built those two Super Bowl teams. He had some input, yes, but the 2007 team was Ernie's

Bull. Shit. Want to peruse Ernie Accorsi's drafting with Marv Sunderland before Reese began running the draft board? Check the link.

Jerry was a damned good director of college scouting. Turned into a lousy GM, but that's a different conversation.


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And defended him to the end deserve to watch his crap. Should be forced to over and over

please stop ruining this thread with the insertion of actual facts. ESPECIALLY ones that ruin the OP's narrative.

Just because

was drafted the year that the Bears and the Titans jumped ahead of the Giants to take Floyd and Conklin. But Reese could have traded down. The Bucs apparently wanted Apple. My guess is Reese asked for too much, which is common with the Giants. He also thought too highly of his own ability to draft. But the end result is that two top 10 picks are now gone for a fourth and a seventh.

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Mr. Reese can't talk right now....... his phone is ringing off the hook with job offers

like McAdoo , Reese is still under contract with Giants so can pursue any new jobs
I am sure if Reese chooses he will get hired very quickly as GM of another NFL team

as I said in previous post everyone is applauding all these players leaving Giants but in fact many ex Giants are having pretty good seasons on other teams

The moment the Giants fortunes turned is in 2011 when Chris Mara was named Senior Vice President of Player Personnel - - we have slowly become the worse franchise in league and it won't change till Chris Mara is fired

OH WAIT we CAN'T FIRE HIM - Nepotism at it's finest

Let that sink in for a minute.

With a lesser player than Saquon behind the same shit OL.

In comment 14143654 Anakim said:

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Kind of interesting to see where the Giants would be now. Would sadly mean no Saquon (probably would've been better than the second worst team in the NFL). Anyone got a portal to an alternate universe?

In comment 14143734 LauderdaleMatty said:

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The drafts for the his last 6 years and FA cap miming moves have this as a bottom 5 NFL franchise. And that’s not changing. Why watch this clown show? It’s a mess and the Mara’s are the cause. Reese was behind inept. They systematically blamed TCs staff then TC. Hired moron to replace TC amd let Reese continue w his staff intact. There is no reason to watch this team this year and most likely next. The worst product in the market if you are honest.

the mid to late 70's all over again.

In comment 14143654 Anakim said:

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Kind of interesting to see where the Giants would be now. Would sadly mean no Saquon (probably would've been better than the second worst team in the NFL). Anyone got a portal to an alternate universe?

Flowers was a mistake no doubt. What compounded the mistake was giving him zero competition for 4 years.

Dave Gettleman didn't have to trade a starting corner for two back half of the draft picks.

Let's not all start acting like Apple wasn't viewed nicely this year on this site -- I challenge folks to do a quick search, including the game reviews on this site. He's been a good player.

produced two Super Bowls. Their strengths complemented each other. Jerry on his own was a disaster as evidenced by his record with lineman and linebackers.

In comment 14143886 christian said:

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Dave Gettleman didn't have to trade a starting corner for two back half of the draft picks. Let's not all start acting like Apple wasn't viewed nicely this year on this site -- I challenge folks to do a quick search, including the game reviews on this site. He's been a good player.

Apple played well enough to keep around when this team was still in the playoff chase. But he's got some serious flaws to his game and he's not a great teammate, thus he's not a guy who should be in our long term plans. No brainer to trade him once we got to 1-6.

Was responsible for the 2007 championship team, not Reese, he just took over, keep telling yourselves Reese was responsible for two rings, makes you sound right about arguing he was a good GM, when he sucked. His phone has been ringing 15 minutes after the Giants fired him, that is what you all told us. If Reese was responsible for two rings, and was so good, why is he out of work. He needs to join Fassel, another great New York Giants myth. Coughlin is why we won two rings.

as early last season.

In comment 14143931 PaulN said:

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Was responsible for the 2007 championship team, not Reese, he just took over, keep telling yourselves Reese was responsible for two rings, makes you sound right about arguing he was a good GM, when he sucked. His phone has been ringing 15 minutes after the Giants fired him, that is what you all told us. If Reese was responsible for two rings, and was so good, why is he out of work. He needs to join Fassel, another great New York Giants myth. Coughlin is why we won two rings.

The guy worked for the organization for 20 years. He wasn't just the GM. He had plenty to do with those 2 super bowls.

without the 2007 draft, SB42 doesn't happen. BTW, anyone thinking TC didn't have major input on player personnel (draft and FA) is a complete and absolute MORON!!!!!!!!

Without JPP and Cruz, SB46 doesn't happen - Reese, Accorsi and TC all deserve credit for SB42 and 46.

That stuff is past history - the future needs addressing, and it's become PAINFULLY obvious that they need to move on from Eli. It appears the Reese and MacAdoo came to this realization last year, and were fired for it. Who's losing their jobs because they said Eli would be able to win more games than losing???????

They knew TC would be really calling the shots early on, and it worked. Two SBs. But then Reese asserted his GM duties, hired Ross, and down the tubes we went, and are still heading there it looks MO

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They knew TC would be really calling the shots early on, and it worked. Two SBs. But then Reese asserted his GM duties, hired Ross, and down the tubes we went, and are still heading there it looks MO

lol, they went with Reese because Coughlin was actually GM.
That's a new stupid take.

In comment 14143798 giantfan2000 said:

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The moment the Giants fortunes turned is in 2011 when Chris Mara was named Senior Vice President of Player Personnel - - we have slowly become the worse franchise in league and it won't change till Chris Mara is fired

Having recently observed the destructive power of a single inept senior manager first-hand, I can easily imagine that Chris Mara wields considerable negative influence.

Perhaps he micromanages or conducts meetings to the point of distraction or outright disruption. Perhaps he inserts himself into decisions he's not informed or invested in enough to make soundly, simply to satisfy the need to show his superiors something, anything. Perhaps he hears his reports but doesn't listen to them, comprehending very little of what they tell him and offering nothing of value to their own career growth, to the point where they simply tune him out and perform beneath what is expected of them in a vacuum of leadership.

Of course it's all speculative, but it happens and it's entirely possible.

St. Tommy rides again. All of the credit, none of the blame, as always.

Shoukd have been fired in 2014

In comment 14143653 Greg from LI said:

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regardless of what's happened since???

Then how come you shit on Coughlin every chance you get? Afterall, if success is measured by how many SB rings he has, then he is the greatest coach the Giants have had in the SB era.

Gettlemen's Giants are far worse than any product Reese ever put out.

Before Odell went down, Giants were at least competitive last year. This team added two top draft picks on offense (Barkley and Will Hernandez) and added a bunch of free agents on offense (Solder and Big Zero) and the offense is actually worse than last year'. It's pathetic.

Anyone who thinks Reese was the problem is deluding themselves. This organizations problems are far deeper than that.

In comment 14144207 Greg from LI said:

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St. Tommy rides again. All of the credit, none of the blame, as always.

Seek help. Coughlin hasn't been here in three years. Reese got a 100 million to spend and two more drafts. Here are those drafts:

2017 2 Dalvin Tomlinson
2017 3 Davis Webb
2017 4 Wayne Gallman
2017 5 Avery Moss
2017 6 Adam Bisnowaty
Year Rnd Player
2016 1 Eli Apple
2016 2 Sterling Shepard
2016 3 Darian Thompson
2016 4 B.J. Goodson
2016 5 Paul Perkins
2016 6 Jerell Adams you see the results.

Quite a haul and not much different in results from previous drafts. You see the results.

his name got cut off.

why our player development seems to be so utterly lacking, why we don't have very many examples of players improving over the years... and why we actually have quite a few opposite examples of promising players devolving instead.

I have to wonder: is it possibly another symptom of just how terrible our special teams coaching is? It's common for young players to be more heavily involved in special teams than the regular roster, and I wonder how impactful that practice and game time can be to development.

I'm not the guy claiming that 2007 was successful because "TC was really calling the shots"

In comment 14144383 santacruzom said:

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why our player development seems to be so utterly lacking, why we don't have very many examples of players improving over the years... and why we actually have quite a few opposite examples of promising players devolving instead. I have to wonder: is it possibly another symptom of just how terrible our special teams coaching is? It's common for young players to be more heavily involved in special teams than the regular roster, and I wonder how impactful that practice and game time can be to development.

Great, great point.

I'd go a step further and point out that special teams are the best way to take the temperature for what you have on the roster. They set the tone for the team, and are usually comprised by the hungry guys fighting for a roster spot.

In comment 14144176 TMS said:

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They knew TC would be really calling the shots early on, and it worked. Two SBs. But then Reese asserted his GM duties, hired Ross, and down the tubes we went, and are still heading there it looks MO

Reese had a couple of solid early drafts, not the Sayers Butkus 1964 some of his fans on bbi made it out to be, but very solid. Seems like things went off the rails when Ross was put in charge.

as a reminder that our team is in the shits because this man and his awful awful roster development in the last 7 years.

In comment 14143688 BigBlueDownTheShore said:

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the first round draft picks have input from both the Reese and Head Coach, and sometimes John Mara has a tie breaker. Organizational fail by Reese, MacAdoo, and John Mara.

This issue was after he failed he was kept on for 4 more years. They canned two coordinators then TC. And regardless of TCs demeanor he was never the arrogant asshole Reese was.

And his input was over stated for many draft moves. Which I heard first hand from An ex coach who worked with Coughlin. Reese was a very good head scout. Horrible GM

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In comment 14143931 PaulN said: Quote: Was responsible for the 2007 championship team, not Reese, he just took over, keep telling yourselves Reese was responsible for two rings, makes you sound right about arguing he was a good GM, when he sucked. His phone has been ringing 15 minutes after the Giants fired him, that is what you all told us. If Reese was responsible for two rings, and was so good, why is he out of work. He needs to join Fassel, another great New York Giants myth. Coughlin is why we won two rings. The guy worked for the organization for 20 years. He wasn't just the GM. He had plenty to do with those 2 super bowls.

Reese was a great scout but a terrible GM. He had no clue when it came to OL and LB. Giants won the two Super Bowls with the OL that Ernie got them.

Just said it's on Jerry now. They had it in their head that Tom was too old rather than Reese had failed in roster construction.