Because I don't tolerate stupidity and idiocy. Listen, if I was GM of the Giants, I would make sure I was surrounded by the best and the brightest football minds. Not people who think we should trade Saquon Barkley.
That's not what he said though. He didn't advocate actively trying to trade Barkley. Instead, in his mind Barkley shouldn't be untouchable.
If someone came to us with a Hershel Walker-type proposal, should we take it? It would be hard to say no.
Because I don't tolerate stupidity and idiocy. Listen, if I was GM of the Giants, I would make sure I was surrounded by the best and the brightest football minds. Not people who think we should trade Saquon Barkley.
That's not what he said though. He didn't advocate actively trying to trade Barkley. Instead, in his mind Barkley shouldn't be untouchable.
If someone came to us with a Hershel Walker-type proposal, should we take it? It would be hard to say no.
Lets be realistic. If this is the case, nobody is ever untouchable. If someone offers 12 first rounders for Mahomes, you think they take it??
I trade him for a second round 2019 pick today. He may develop, but he has been part of the OL problem - not in sync with Vet, and totally whiffing on plays. I think he can develop, but it's not a slam dunk.
Collins is another - what difference is he making in the secondary. I'd trade him for a third rounder today.
If we put him on the market in 2015 we might have landed two #1s + for him. Who wouldn't make that trade now? Even his most ardent fans would.
Barkley is our best asset, but there are two things unfortunate about his situation:
1. He's on a terrible team that is wasting his incredible ability and is unlikely to be good any time soon.
2. Wear and tear is an issue at his position, especially for someone as explosive as he is.
Barkley is a special player right now and I don't want to trade him. But he isn't doing anyone any good on the Giants - not the Giants or himself.
Because I don't tolerate stupidity and idiocy. Listen, if I was GM of the Giants, I would make sure I was surrounded by the best and the brightest football minds. Not people who think we should trade Saquon Barkley.
That's not what he said though. He didn't advocate actively trying to trade Barkley. Instead, in his mind Barkley shouldn't be untouchable.
If someone came to us with a Hershel Walker-type proposal, should we take it? It would be hard to say no.
Lets be realistic. If this is the case, nobody is ever untouchable. If someone offers 12 first rounders for Mahomes, you think they take it??
Very true... most teams actually have very few untouchables, even within actual reason and not absurd reason.
Keepers: P and PK, Engram, Shepard, Ogletree, Carter, Hill, Tomlinson, Jenkins, Vernon(though he might be cut), Snacks, Hernandez, Solder (no choice at this point). I’m sure I’m leaving out some
But reflecting on it just reinforces how sadly and deeply fucked we are.
Are we remotely likely to construct a good roster around him within the next 5 years? It's certainly possible, but it feels about as likely as Yahoo surpassing Google as the search engine of choice. I see no reason to trust anyone in this organization to help lead such a turnaround.
At this point I would advocate for a total tear down and multi year tanking situation. 2020 draft picks would be great because it's a strong qb class and as bad as we are, we still might want to trade up. We are essentially tanking while trying to win so we might as well lean into it.
In the meantime I would play lauletta and acquire several other cheap young QBs to see if we can hit the lottery with one of them. I might even carry 4 QBs next year and let them battle it out. If we get really lucky with one, its a huge boon.
Just to be clear, I wouldn't give away our good players. But I would trade them for real draft value.
You guys who are not including Odell in your untouchable list Â
Why people are alarmed that Barkley would be in the mix is expected because they like the "generational" thought and the thrill of watching him.
I'd love to find a sucker to take SB. But I think too many teams are smart enough to realize finding RBs is as easy as going to any gas station and buying a Snickers and Diet Coke at that convenience store.
This is going to sound odd - but we are "stuck" with Barkley too - like OBJ.
I think you have to. I love his heart and his talent, but he is a WR. At this point, the headaches he is creating, both in the media and on the playing field aren't worth it moving forward. The Giants won with the likes of Steve Smith, Plaxico Burress, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz and Mario Manningham. They are planning to have a new QB in the next couple of years. Odell would have the same effect on the next QB as Shockey did on Manning. It won't happen but no way should he be untouchable...he should be very touchable ;)
OBJ
Barkley
Hernandez
EE
Shep (Unless someone offers a great deal #2+late)
Hill
Carter
Tomlinson
Gallman
Tough ones I'm on the fence about:
Jenkins (If this will take a few years get a top pick for him now I guess, gonna be hard to replace)
Collins (Great player but need to clear cap space, I'd resign him for the right price unless someone offers a #2 for him)
Barkley is our best and most valuable player by miles, but at this point he might be the only guy on our roster that would net more in trade than we spent on him. If we're actually serious about rebuilding this roster through the draft he's our best chip.
There isn't anyone on this disaster of a team that should be untradeable.
He's a superstar in the making and cost controlled for the next 4 years, why on earth would anyone want to get rid of him?
Yes, in theory you could compile some picks for him, but you'd be hoping to find the Home Run pick that he already is.
Barkley is our best and most valuable player by miles, but at this point he might be the only guy on our roster that would net more in trade than we spent on him. If we're actually serious about rebuilding this roster through the draft he's our best chip.
There isn't anyone on this disaster of a team that should be untradeable.
He's a superstar in the making and cost controlled for the next 4 years, why on earth would anyone want to get rid of him?
Yes, in theory you could compile some picks for him, but you'd be hoping to find the Home Run pick that he already is.
Again, I don't want to get rid of him. I'd listen to offers, and for him I'd expect them to be very good.
I'm not trying to find the home run pick. I'm trying to build a team, which is something we don't have right now even with Barkley on it.
Lack of common fucking sense on this board is astounding.
Now you idiots want to trade Barkley?
How could anyone want to duno the best back in football after 7 games when he is cost controlled.
Just STFU, Barkley is untouchable and it isn't even close.
Turn around can happen fast in NFL with some wuality drafting. Reese fucked us on that. DG had a good first draft, his second is good and we could be looking at a different team in 2019 and beyond. You guys need to relax. Acting like we lose by a margin if 30 every game.
Enough with this "it's easy to find running backs" nonsense. Â
It's easy to find any position. Just use a 6th or 7th round pick on that position, and -- voilà -- you found that position! So easy!
But finding greatness at a position? Yeah, that usually requires a 1st-round or high-2nd-round investment. Go figure.
Exactly....fucking stupid comments like it's easy to find a back.
Look around the league, teams spend high picks on RBs....people still argue Barkley is replaceable. It's a shame, we actually forget how bad this O looked with Perkins lmfao
It's easy to find any position. Just use a 6th or 7th round pick on that position, and -- voilà -- you found that position! So easy!
But finding greatness at a position? Yeah, that usually requires a 1st-round or high-2nd-round investment. Go figure.
Exactly....fucking stupid comments like it's easy to find a back.
Look around the league, teams spend high picks on RBs....people still argue Barkley is replaceable. It's a shame, we actually forget how bad this O looked with Perkins lmfao
It looks just as bad now with Barkley as it did with Perkins.
It's easy to find any position. Just use a 6th or 7th round pick on that position, and -- voilà -- you found that position! So easy!
But finding greatness at a position? Yeah, that usually requires a 1st-round or high-2nd-round investment. Go figure.
Exactly....fucking stupid comments like it's easy to find a back.
Look around the league, teams spend high picks on RBs....people still argue Barkley is replaceable. It's a shame, we actually forget how bad this O looked with Perkins lmfao
It looks just as bad now with Barkley as it did with Perkins.
lmfao
I'm calling bullsh*t. You didn't really lmfao, you did that for effect. I'm convinced that you don't laugh.
I am not suggesting we trade Barkley but if some team offered 3 number 1s+ or their entire 2019 draft we should listen. Obviously the offer would have to blow us away 4-19 in our last 23 games. I get it, you love SB, me too, but RB is at the bottom of the list of positions I would want to build a team around from from scratch. Unfortunately for us fans, we are nearly at scratch. Save the inevitable...you are a moron for wanting to trade SB. I don't, but I would, for the right offer because of the situation we are in. We need a ton of players in controllable rookie contracts that can contribute right away to offset the horrible contracts we are saddled with.
It's easy to find any position. Just use a 6th or 7th round pick on that position, and -- voilà -- you found that position! So easy!
But finding greatness at a position? Yeah, that usually requires a 1st-round or high-2nd-round investment. Go figure.
Exactly....fucking stupid comments like it's easy to find a back.
Look around the league, teams spend high picks on RBs....people still argue Barkley is replaceable. It's a shame, we actually forget how bad this O looked with Perkins lmfao
It looks just as bad now with Barkley as it did with Perkins.
lmfao
terps,
we are going to need a dumb comment counter for you on here pretty soon.
perkinsand this run offense was a joke. without barkley and beckham, this team gets shut out weekly.
barkley is above and beyond any back we have had since tiki. our OL sucks and our QB is declining so offfensively we may look worse, but its obvious we are better off with barkley over perkins
It's easy to find any position. Just use a 6th or 7th round pick on that position, and -- voilà -- you found that position! So easy!
But finding greatness at a position? Yeah, that usually requires a 1st-round or high-2nd-round investment. Go figure.
Exactly....fucking stupid comments like it's easy to find a back.
Look around the league, teams spend high picks on RBs....people still argue Barkley is replaceable. It's a shame, we actually forget how bad this O looked with Perkins lmfao
It looks just as bad now with Barkley as it did with Perkins.
lmfao
terps,
we are going to need a dumb comment counter for you on here pretty soon.
perkinsand this run offense was a joke. without barkley and beckham, this team gets shut out weekly.
barkley is above and beyond any back we have had since tiki. our OL sucks and our QB is declining so offfensively we may look worse, but its obvious we are better off with barkley over perkins
Beckham, Shepard, Engram, Collins, last draft class. That’s it
Solder and probably Vernon are untradeable due to their contracts, at least right now. Snacks is probably our most valuable asset; decent cap number and contenders are absolutely begging for DT help
Hernandez
Hill
Odell (unless they get 2 1st rounders - but think his dead money would be a deal breaker)
Everyone else can be traded
Starting Dline
Offensive skill positions (WR/RB/TE)
Because I don't tolerate stupidity and idiocy. Listen, if I was GM of the Giants, I would make sure I was surrounded by the best and the brightest football minds. Not people who think we should trade Saquon Barkley.
That's not what he said though. He didn't advocate actively trying to trade Barkley. Instead, in his mind Barkley shouldn't be untouchable.
If someone came to us with a Hershel Walker-type proposal, should we take it? It would be hard to say no.
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Because I don't tolerate stupidity and idiocy. Listen, if I was GM of the Giants, I would make sure I was surrounded by the best and the brightest football minds. Not people who think we should trade Saquon Barkley.
That's not what he said though. He didn't advocate actively trying to trade Barkley. Instead, in his mind Barkley shouldn't be untouchable.
If someone came to us with a Hershel Walker-type proposal, should we take it? It would be hard to say no.
Lets be realistic. If this is the case, nobody is ever untouchable. If someone offers 12 first rounders for Mahomes, you think they take it??
Collins is another - what difference is he making in the secondary. I'd trade him for a third rounder today.
If we put him on the market in 2015 we might have landed two #1s + for him. Who wouldn't make that trade now? Even his most ardent fans would.
Barkley is our best asset, but there are two things unfortunate about his situation:
1. He's on a terrible team that is wasting his incredible ability and is unlikely to be good any time soon.
2. Wear and tear is an issue at his position, especially for someone as explosive as he is.
Barkley is a special player right now and I don't want to trade him. But he isn't doing anyone any good on the Giants - not the Giants or himself.
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Because I don't tolerate stupidity and idiocy. Listen, if I was GM of the Giants, I would make sure I was surrounded by the best and the brightest football minds. Not people who think we should trade Saquon Barkley.
That's not what he said though. He didn't advocate actively trying to trade Barkley. Instead, in his mind Barkley shouldn't be untouchable.
If someone came to us with a Hershel Walker-type proposal, should we take it? It would be hard to say no.
Lets be realistic. If this is the case, nobody is ever untouchable. If someone offers 12 first rounders for Mahomes, you think they take it??
Very true... most teams actually have very few untouchables, even within actual reason and not absurd reason.
Keepers: P and PK, Engram, Shepard, Ogletree, Carter, Hill, Tomlinson, Jenkins, Vernon(though he might be cut), Snacks, Hernandez, Solder (no choice at this point). I’m sure I’m leaving out some
Are we remotely likely to construct a good roster around him within the next 5 years? It's certainly possible, but it feels about as likely as Yahoo surpassing Google as the search engine of choice. I see no reason to trust anyone in this organization to help lead such a turnaround.
The entire roster i would trade for the right price.
Tear this entire thing down and start over
I can't believe we don't have one serviceable offensive linemen.
In the meantime I would play lauletta and acquire several other cheap young QBs to see if we can hit the lottery with one of them. I might even carry 4 QBs next year and let them battle it out. If we get really lucky with one, its a huge boon.
Just to be clear, I wouldn't give away our good players. But I would trade them for real draft value.
I'd love to find a sucker to take SB. But I think too many teams are smart enough to realize finding RBs is as easy as going to any gas station and buying a Snickers and Diet Coke at that convenience store.
This is going to sound odd - but we are "stuck" with Barkley too - like OBJ.
Barkley
Hernandez
EE
Shep (Unless someone offers a great deal #2+late)
Hill
Carter
Tomlinson
Gallman
Tough ones I'm on the fence about:
Jenkins (If this will take a few years get a top pick for him now I guess, gonna be hard to replace)
Collins (Great player but need to clear cap space, I'd resign him for the right price unless someone offers a #2 for him)
Nothing else worth keeping.
There isn't anyone on this disaster of a team that should be untradeable.
He's a superstar in the making and cost controlled for the next 4 years, why on earth would anyone want to get rid of him?
Yes, in theory you could compile some picks for him, but you'd be hoping to find the Home Run pick that he already is.
Not even joking.
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Barkley is our best and most valuable player by miles, but at this point he might be the only guy on our roster that would net more in trade than we spent on him. If we're actually serious about rebuilding this roster through the draft he's our best chip.
There isn't anyone on this disaster of a team that should be untradeable.
He's a superstar in the making and cost controlled for the next 4 years, why on earth would anyone want to get rid of him?
Yes, in theory you could compile some picks for him, but you'd be hoping to find the Home Run pick that he already is.
Again, I don't want to get rid of him. I'd listen to offers, and for him I'd expect them to be very good.
I'm not trying to find the home run pick. I'm trying to build a team, which is something we don't have right now even with Barkley on it.
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+1 It’s all about cap room and draft picks now! Would prefer a new regime to do the rebuild, I don’t think DG is up to it!
Now you idiots want to trade Barkley?
How could anyone want to duno the best back in football after 7 games when he is cost controlled.
Just STFU, Barkley is untouchable and it isn't even close.
Turn around can happen fast in NFL with some wuality drafting. Reese fucked us on that. DG had a good first draft, his second is good and we could be looking at a different team in 2019 and beyond. You guys need to relax. Acting like we lose by a margin if 30 every game.
But finding greatness at a position? Yeah, that usually requires a 1st-round or high-2nd-round investment. Go figure.
But finding greatness at a position? Yeah, that usually requires a 1st-round or high-2nd-round investment. Go figure.
Exactly....fucking stupid comments like it's easy to find a back.
Look around the league, teams spend high picks on RBs....people still argue Barkley is replaceable. It's a shame, we actually forget how bad this O looked with Perkins lmfao
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It's easy to find any position. Just use a 6th or 7th round pick on that position, and -- voilà -- you found that position! So easy!
But finding greatness at a position? Yeah, that usually requires a 1st-round or high-2nd-round investment. Go figure.
Exactly....fucking stupid comments like it's easy to find a back.
Look around the league, teams spend high picks on RBs....people still argue Barkley is replaceable. It's a shame, we actually forget how bad this O looked with Perkins lmfao
It looks just as bad now with Barkley as it did with Perkins.
lmfao
So Rosas and Barkley lol
Those are my only non-negotiables
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It's easy to find any position. Just use a 6th or 7th round pick on that position, and -- voilà -- you found that position! So easy!
But finding greatness at a position? Yeah, that usually requires a 1st-round or high-2nd-round investment. Go figure.
Exactly....fucking stupid comments like it's easy to find a back.
Look around the league, teams spend high picks on RBs....people still argue Barkley is replaceable. It's a shame, we actually forget how bad this O looked with Perkins lmfao
It looks just as bad now with Barkley as it did with Perkins.
lmfao
I'm calling bullsh*t. You didn't really lmfao, you did that for effect. I'm convinced that you don't laugh.
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In comment 14144266 Mr. Bungle said:
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It's easy to find any position. Just use a 6th or 7th round pick on that position, and -- voilà -- you found that position! So easy!
But finding greatness at a position? Yeah, that usually requires a 1st-round or high-2nd-round investment. Go figure.
Exactly....fucking stupid comments like it's easy to find a back.
Look around the league, teams spend high picks on RBs....people still argue Barkley is replaceable. It's a shame, we actually forget how bad this O looked with Perkins lmfao
It looks just as bad now with Barkley as it did with Perkins.
lmfao
terps,
we are going to need a dumb comment counter for you on here pretty soon.
perkinsand this run offense was a joke. without barkley and beckham, this team gets shut out weekly.
barkley is above and beyond any back we have had since tiki. our OL sucks and our QB is declining so offfensively we may look worse, but its obvious we are better off with barkley over perkins
Exactly. Have to
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In comment 14144274 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 14144266 Mr. Bungle said:
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It's easy to find any position. Just use a 6th or 7th round pick on that position, and -- voilà -- you found that position! So easy!
But finding greatness at a position? Yeah, that usually requires a 1st-round or high-2nd-round investment. Go figure.
Exactly....fucking stupid comments like it's easy to find a back.
Look around the league, teams spend high picks on RBs....people still argue Barkley is replaceable. It's a shame, we actually forget how bad this O looked with Perkins lmfao
It looks just as bad now with Barkley as it did with Perkins.
lmfao
terps,
we are going to need a dumb comment counter for you on here pretty soon.
perkinsand this run offense was a joke. without barkley and beckham, this team gets shut out weekly.
barkley is above and beyond any back we have had since tiki. our OL sucks and our QB is declining so offfensively we may look worse, but its obvious we are better off with barkley over perkins
Your argument speaks for itself.
So Lauletta is untouchable?
Solder and probably Vernon are untradeable due to their contracts, at least right now. Snacks is probably our most valuable asset; decent cap number and contenders are absolutely begging for DT help
If so, he is untouchable as well. But that's it. But,no more selling low ala the corner.
OBJ, Shep, Lattimer
Engram
Hernandez
Hill, Tomlinson, Snacks (He can probably play for a few more years)
Carter
So Rosas and Barkley lol
After seeing guys who the Giants cut/trade go on to have long careers with other teams I’ll say it’s about fucking time