never been a better example of lying with statistics than what Eli Manning is doing right now. Maybe Blake Bortles when he threw 31tds a few years ago.
I think a telling thing would be to break his efforts down by his stats when the game is within 1 score vs more than 1 score.
I think you will see a very different look to numbers if you view through that prism.
As others have stated, lot of garbage time yardage and TDs in those stats. He had 150yds against prevent D in the 4th quarter on Sunday.
His first half stats for year 866yds and 2TD, 2nd half 1195yds and 5TD. He also has 463yds and 4 of his TD in the final 2min of a half in games this year.
Time stats like the downfield passing in the 3rd quarter.
I'm an Eli fan but I know he's at the end of his rope. I also recognize he's not at completely fault like many here like to suggest. Barkley had poor numbers vs. ATL, is it his fault or the line? Can't go one way here.
A good thing some of the Eli apologists are not running this team Â
And Eli’s lack of ability to avoid pressure and make plays off schedule is a major reason. Garbage time stats and check downs are a big reason his stats look good
We had six points with five minutes remaining against the worst defense in the league. Pathetic
That knows anything about football on the offensive side knows one player wins games and loses games for that matter. So if each offensive singular player wins the game by himself for that respective game then the offense of singular players has the ability to score infinite 🌀 points therefore rendering the opposing defense of singular players useless. However if the defense of singular players responds with each of their players winning the game by themselves then I believe what occurs is what a computer operating system refers to as an illegal operation.
Now this illegal operation may trigger what experts claim as a frozen game, which leads no choice but to restart the game.
performance on Monday makes me think he could contribute and compete in the league. In fact, if you switched QB's on Monday, Eli could almost certainly have won the game with the Falcons.
Eli is no longer a franchise status QB for the Giants. He is not the answer here anymore. Crazy thing is, he must have been pretty valuable all these years since his collapse has also resulted in the collapse of the entire franchise.
performance on Monday makes me think he could contribute and compete in the league. In fact, if you switched QB's on Monday, Eli could almost certainly have won the game with the Falcons.
Eli is no longer a franchise status QB for the Giants. He is not the answer here anymore. Crazy thing is, he must have been pretty valuable all these years since his collapse has also resulted in the collapse of the entire franchise.
No, if they switched QBs, Ryan would still win. This is not a knock on Eli. Ryan can move and the Giants had as much pressure on Ryan as Atlanta had on Eli. 4 sacks vs 3 sacks. Ryan was able to avoid the pressure better and made a lot of plays under pressure that Eli could not and did not. Again. not a knock on Eli. Ryan just moves better and that advantage was the difference.
never been a better example of lying with statistics than what Eli Manning is doing right now. Maybe Blake Bortles when he threw 31tds a few years ago.
I think a telling thing would be to break his efforts down by his stats when the game is within 1 score vs more than 1 score.
I think you will see a very different look to numbers if you view through that prism.
performance on Monday makes me think he could contribute and compete in the league. In fact, if you switched QB's on Monday, Eli could almost certainly have won the game with the Falcons.
Eli is no longer a franchise status QB for the Giants. He is not the answer here anymore. Crazy thing is, he must have been pretty valuable all these years since his collapse has also resulted in the collapse of the entire franchise.
No, if they switched QBs, Ryan would still win. This is not a knock on Eli. Ryan can move and the Giants had as much pressure on Ryan as Atlanta had on Eli. 4 sacks vs 3 sacks. Ryan was able to avoid the pressure better and made a lot of plays under pressure that Eli could not and did not. Again. not a knock on Eli. Ryan just moves better and that advantage was the difference.
Ryan made some hot read throws, onr I remember in particular where he was back pedaling and threw hot when the Giants sent pressure including a safety blitz. Ryan looked pretty ordinary or bad when the Giants had pressure early. The final three quarters he could have set up a bed and breakfast as he completed at least 17 in a row with good protection. Eli could certainly have matched that.
I think if Eli was a Falcon they win and if Ryan was on the Giants the Giants likely lose the same way.
Giants biggest problem, STILL, on offense is the inability to get an consistency in pass protection and being the worst run blocking team in the NFL. Giants get to the red zone and the opposition drops everyone back clogging up the short field. They do not need to do anything to stop the run or get a TFL on a running play.
Playing the Giants is like half a bye week for the other team. No effort physically or schematically is needed to stop the run or win in the trenches when the Giants have to the ball
while this is Eli's best qb rating, espn qbr which factors when you get your stats has him at his second worst qbr of his career other than 2013. Ouch. Speaks volumes.
If you look at the qbr rating it also suggests Eli played his best ball between 2009-2012. Seems right to me.
while this is Eli's best qb rating, espn qbr which factors when you get your stats has him at his second worst qbr of his career other than 2013. Ouch. Speaks volumes.
If you look at the qbr rating it also suggests Eli played his best ball between 2009-2012. Seems right to me.
at least there is the vindication the Eli skeptics were right. Small consolation. But given some of the arrogance of the pro Eli crowd, quite frankly somewhat enjoyable. Amazing some of these posters are doubling down on the same tired line about his ability to be effective elsewhere.
Overshadowed by the mess. But this week was the beginning of what they have needed to do for a long time, actual honest rebuild. Finally.
I would have loved to eat my words and have Eli shock the world.
And I don't wish any ill on him whatsoever. Wish he was still a great starter.
I also don't worship him and we don't need an extended goodbye party. One or two more starts is good enough. Preserve an over 500 record. Lets move on.
at least there is the vindication the Eli skeptics were right. Small consolation. But given some of the arrogance of the pro Eli crowd, quite frankly somewhat enjoyable. Amazing some of these posters are doubling down on the same tired line about his ability to be effective elsewhere.
Overshadowed by the mess. But this week was the beginning of what they have needed to do for a long time, actual honest rebuild. Finally.
Is it arrogance on our part? I mean for the most part many of us have argued that the supporting cast has been inferior for years. So our consolation is seeing the trash being cut or traded and not have any success leaving the team proves us right too.
You look at the Randles, Tyes, Donnells, Flowers, Jennings, and a whole shit load of others who are either riding the pine or out of the NFL together - it goes to show we were right too.
Eli best days are long gone. I think what we are seeing is that everyone was right in one form of another.
not at all. but if it makes you feel better- sure.
every team has a bad guy here and there ---- lots of teams have mediocre number 2 WRs- and such. who cares though.
you were sh$tting on every person who saw he was declining 3+ years ago... and now are acting like you are calling for change cause its the right time now, and starting threads about it trying to sound unbiased and rational- convincing yourself in your brain that you arent late to a very depressing party that has been going on for some time
Yes hassan, mostly annoyed at Front Office as this was a colossal Â
mistake from the get-go and they should know better. You don't "kind of" restructure...you do it deep, fast and without emotion to what was. Otherwise, it is subject to simply failing and wasting time and money.
As a fan I am disappointed...if I was an equity shareholder looking at this team as a business, I would be pissed.
Regarding the arrogance of the defenders of the faith on here, I agree its expected. Have you noticed the tone changes and pivots each week since early September as they looked for parachutes. Here are some...
Eli can't win behind THIS line.
Underestimated how bad this TEAM was.
Shurmur's offense doesn't FIT our QB.
A QB would not have made us any better.
What would would be our record if we didn't have Barkley.
Eli is NOT ALLOWED to throw long.
And now, the defenders want to argue that these moves are part of the Plan, or some new adjusted plan I guess. What a crock of shit. They are just giving up and this is the next easiest move they can execute...a round of applause please.
Jameis has played well for Tampa since he got back.
2 of the 3 are better than Eli right now.
2) Garbage time.. lots of it
3) He’s got two of the best weapons he’s ever had and one-two other solid targets.
I’m very bullish on signing him to a three year extension.
I think a telling thing would be to break his efforts down by his stats when the game is within 1 score vs more than 1 score.
I think you will see a very different look to numbers if you view through that prism.
His first half stats for year 866yds and 2TD, 2nd half 1195yds and 5TD. He also has 463yds and 4 of his TD in the final 2min of a half in games this year.
Lot of padded stats
The "garbage time" narrative.
The game was winnable at the end. The two Eli sneeks ate up precious seconds.
The Giants have won (and lost) miracle ending games. It's not impossible.
I'm an Eli fan but I know he's at the end of his rope. I also recognize he's not at completely fault like many here like to suggest. Barkley had poor numbers vs. ATL, is it his fault or the line? Can't go one way here.
Please don't tell me that he's having a great year. He's the QB and his team is not putting up points or winning games.
We had six points with five minutes remaining against the worst defense in the league. Pathetic
Now this illegal operation may trigger what experts claim as a frozen game, which leads no choice but to restart the game.
Some of you see what you want to see...
I’m very bullish on signing him to a three year extension.
Yes, we should consider extending
Eli’s contract since we will be fixing the oline, plug the SB clock back in
Some of you see what you want to see...
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Was playing prevent defense when they were playing press man to man and blitzing?
Some of you see what you want to see...
I actually saw a bunch of 5-3 fronts (8 in box). I'm assuming that's how they planned to limit Barkley.
Eli is no longer a franchise status QB for the Giants. He is not the answer here anymore. Crazy thing is, he must have been pretty valuable all these years since his collapse has also resulted in the collapse of the entire franchise.
Eli is no longer a franchise status QB for the Giants. He is not the answer here anymore. Crazy thing is, he must have been pretty valuable all these years since his collapse has also resulted in the collapse of the entire franchise.
No, if they switched QBs, Ryan would still win. This is not a knock on Eli. Ryan can move and the Giants had as much pressure on Ryan as Atlanta had on Eli. 4 sacks vs 3 sacks. Ryan was able to avoid the pressure better and made a lot of plays under pressure that Eli could not and did not. Again. not a knock on Eli. Ryan just moves better and that advantage was the difference.
And some scrub burning Jenkins.
I think a telling thing would be to break his efforts down by his stats when the game is within 1 score vs more than 1 score.
I think you will see a very different look to numbers if you view through that prism.
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performance on Monday makes me think he could contribute and compete in the league. In fact, if you switched QB's on Monday, Eli could almost certainly have won the game with the Falcons.
Eli is no longer a franchise status QB for the Giants. He is not the answer here anymore. Crazy thing is, he must have been pretty valuable all these years since his collapse has also resulted in the collapse of the entire franchise.
No, if they switched QBs, Ryan would still win. This is not a knock on Eli. Ryan can move and the Giants had as much pressure on Ryan as Atlanta had on Eli. 4 sacks vs 3 sacks. Ryan was able to avoid the pressure better and made a lot of plays under pressure that Eli could not and did not. Again. not a knock on Eli. Ryan just moves better and that advantage was the difference.
Ryan made some hot read throws, onr I remember in particular where he was back pedaling and threw hot when the Giants sent pressure including a safety blitz. Ryan looked pretty ordinary or bad when the Giants had pressure early. The final three quarters he could have set up a bed and breakfast as he completed at least 17 in a row with good protection. Eli could certainly have matched that.
I think if Eli was a Falcon they win and if Ryan was on the Giants the Giants likely lose the same way.
Giants biggest problem, STILL, on offense is the inability to get an consistency in pass protection and being the worst run blocking team in the NFL. Giants get to the red zone and the opposition drops everyone back clogging up the short field. They do not need to do anything to stop the run or get a TFL on a running play.
Playing the Giants is like half a bye week for the other team. No effort physically or schematically is needed to stop the run or win in the trenches when the Giants have to the ball
If you look at the qbr rating it also suggests Eli played his best ball between 2009-2012. Seems right to me.
If you look at the qbr rating it also suggests Eli played his best ball between 2009-2012. Seems right to me.
good post because its correct...
Overshadowed by the mess. But this week was the beginning of what they have needed to do for a long time, actual honest rebuild. Finally.
And I don't wish any ill on him whatsoever. Wish he was still a great starter.
I also don't worship him and we don't need an extended goodbye party. One or two more starts is good enough. Preserve an over 500 record. Lets move on.
Overshadowed by the mess. But this week was the beginning of what they have needed to do for a long time, actual honest rebuild. Finally.
Is it arrogance on our part? I mean for the most part many of us have argued that the supporting cast has been inferior for years. So our consolation is seeing the trash being cut or traded and not have any success leaving the team proves us right too.
You look at the Randles, Tyes, Donnells, Flowers, Jennings, and a whole shit load of others who are either riding the pine or out of the NFL together - it goes to show we were right too.
Eli best days are long gone. I think what we are seeing is that everyone was right in one form of another.
every team has a bad guy here and there ---- lots of teams have mediocre number 2 WRs- and such. who cares though.
you were sh$tting on every person who saw he was declining 3+ years ago... and now are acting like you are calling for change cause its the right time now, and starting threads about it trying to sound unbiased and rational- convincing yourself in your brain that you arent late to a very depressing party that has been going on for some time
As a fan I am disappointed...if I was an equity shareholder looking at this team as a business, I would be pissed.
Regarding the arrogance of the defenders of the faith on here, I agree its expected. Have you noticed the tone changes and pivots each week since early September as they looked for parachutes. Here are some...
Eli can't win behind THIS line.
Underestimated how bad this TEAM was.
Shurmur's offense doesn't FIT our QB.
A QB would not have made us any better.
What would would be our record if we didn't have Barkley.
Eli is NOT ALLOWED to throw long.
And now, the defenders want to argue that these moves are part of the Plan, or some new adjusted plan I guess. What a crock of shit. They are just giving up and this is the next easiest move they can execute...a round of applause please.
A mess indeed...