for all those who say he is only in it for himself, here he is putting his body on the line for a near zero chance of a miracle play to win a game. Link - ( New Window )
His performance has been outstanding, despite working on an offense that's completely dysfunctional. He's done some silly things on the field, without a doubt, but nothing to earn the vitriol he gets from a lot of supposed 'fans'.
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His performance has been outstanding, despite working on an offense that's completely dysfunctional. He's done some silly things on the field, without a doubt, but nothing to earn the vitriol he gets from a lot of supposed 'fans'.
Ummmm, I love Beckham but did we forget about the Carolina game a couple of years ago with Josh Norman? What about the pretending he was a dog and pissing in the end zone? Kicking the kicking net?
Then there is the stupidity off the field (ex: ESPN interview a few weeks ago). The guy plays his ass off on the field and I love him as a player but let's not act like he hasn't earned the criticism he now faces.
His performance has been outstanding, despite working on an offense that's completely dysfunctional. He's done some silly things on the field, without a doubt, but nothing to earn the vitriol he gets from a lot of supposed 'fans'.
Ummmm, I love Beckham but did we forget about the Carolina game a couple of years ago with Josh Norman? What about the pretending he was a dog and pissing in the end zone? Kicking the kicking net?
Then there is the stupidity off the field (ex: ESPN interview a few weeks ago). The guy plays his ass off on the field and I love him as a player but let's not act like he hasn't earned the criticism he now faces.
Yeah how long ago was the Norman thing? Almost 3 years ago now. Something he did as a immature player and not without significant instigation...he learned from it and has not repeated that mistake again.
None of the other stuff really matters except the ESPN interview and even that is relatively small potatoes. Just a blip.
Almost all of his perceived 'sins' are blown so far out of proportion that it is eye-roll worthy.
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His performance has been outstanding, despite working on an offense that's completely dysfunctional. He's done some silly things on the field, without a doubt, but nothing to earn the vitriol he gets from a lot of supposed 'fans'.
Ummmm, I love Beckham but did we forget about the Carolina game a couple of years ago with Josh Norman? What about the pretending he was a dog and pissing in the end zone? Kicking the kicking net?
Then there is the stupidity off the field (ex: ESPN interview a few weeks ago). The guy plays his ass off on the field and I love him as a player but let's not act like he hasn't earned the criticism he now faces.
I very rarely agree with this poster, but I totally agree with this. You can think OBJ's antics are getting tiresome and have been distractions, while also holding the opinion that when he is on the field he works extremely hard, is extremely competitive, and gives you everything he had. So, I like him as a football player, but as a person he has a ton of growing up to do.
RE: RE: Beckham is an IQ test that too many Giants fans fail miserably Â
His performance has been outstanding, despite working on an offense that's completely dysfunctional. He's done some silly things on the field, without a doubt, but nothing to earn the vitriol he gets from a lot of supposed 'fans'.
Ummmm, I love Beckham but did we forget about the Carolina game a couple of years ago with Josh Norman? What about the pretending he was a dog and pissing in the end zone? Kicking the kicking net?
Then there is the stupidity off the field (ex: ESPN interview a few weeks ago). The guy plays his ass off on the field and I love him as a player but let's not act like he hasn't earned the criticism he now faces.
Some of the behavior is wayyy overblown, the Norman thing.. he should've took his helmet off and bashed him in the head with it before the game claiming self defense as soon as Norman and one of his dlineman approached Beckham before the game carrying a baseball bat trying to intimidate him, how that was ok and how nobody talks about it is beyond me, Norman is a fuckin low life scum bag though and the only thing regrettable about the helmet to helmet hit is that it didn't end Normans career
The lifting leg like a dog celebration, I really don't even get what people were offended about on that one, the outrage over that still confuses me.. But welcome to the modern day where anything and everything offends somebody without explanation or reasoning, so fragile
The kicking net thing.. I mean who cares that he smacked a kicking net in anger? I remember when this was considered normal behavior for an athlete before we had 24/7 HD close up shots on the sideline, sure it's awkward that it backfired on him, so make fun of him.. to use THAT against his character is beyond absurd, the proposal to the kicking net was weird as hell. He's a weird guy, but that's it and there's nothing morally wrong about being a weirdo.
There are things he deserves criticism for, absolutely.. however most of the things people actually do pick out like this nonsense is just rediculous
His performance has been outstanding, despite working on an offense that's completely dysfunctional. He's done some silly things on the field, without a doubt, but nothing to earn the vitriol he gets from a lot of supposed 'fans'.
It has nothing to do with the man himself and his effort The real IQ test is was it smart that the Giants spent a large amount of money on a player whos entire game is based on his speed and agility which is some ways already looks in decline after his injury last year. No team in the history of the NFL has won with a star WR being the focal point of the offense no matter how good he is just look at the 2008 Lions that is what we are now.
His performance has been outstanding, despite working on an offense that's completely dysfunctional. He's done some silly things on the field, without a doubt, but nothing to earn the vitriol he gets from a lot of supposed 'fans'.
It has nothing to do with the man himself and his effort The real IQ test is was it smart that the Giants spent a large amount of money on a player whos entire game is based on his speed and agility which is some ways already looks in decline after his injury last year. No team in the history of the NFL has won with a star WR being the focal point of the offense no matter how good he is just look at the 2008 Lions that is what we are now.
Why would a star WR have to be *the* focal point?
Beckham's good for 4th in the NFL in receiving yards, in a year where his offense is in shambles and he's returning from injury.
The major point in all of this is the Giants should not be anywhere near this bad offensively with OBJ and Barkley. How they've managed to be this inept is beyond me, but it sure as hell has nothing to do with Beckham.
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His performance has been outstanding, despite working on an offense that's completely dysfunctional. He's done some silly things on the field, without a doubt, but nothing to earn the vitriol he gets from a lot of supposed 'fans'.
It has nothing to do with the man himself and his effort The real IQ test is was it smart that the Giants spent a large amount of money on a player whos entire game is based on his speed and agility which is some ways already looks in decline after his injury last year. No team in the history of the NFL has won with a star WR being the focal point of the offense no matter how good he is just look at the 2008 Lions that is what we are now.
Why would a star WR have to be *the* focal point?
Beckham's good for 4th in the NFL in receiving yards, in a year where his offense is in shambles and he's returning from injury.
The major point in all of this is the Giants should not be anywhere near this bad offensively with OBJ and Barkley. How they've managed to be this inept is beyond me, but it sure as hell has nothing to do with Beckham.
True this complete failure on offense and its poor execution is not because of OBJ. However this team is a disaster and its clear the offense production is no better with OBJ in the line up as it is without him so is it smart to give a player that kind of money when its obvious the team has so many issues it cant function properly especially a Diva player who may or may not be negatively impacting the locker room. Its just a poor way to build a team unless you care more about selling Jerseys and T.V highlights instead of a winning program.
Isn't it standard to have your "hands team" on the onside kick team? Also, doesn't that "hands team" usually consist of your running backs or WR's or those that are best at handling the ball? Isn't that standard practice?
Has not been a distraction to this team despite his talent, is really not being fair
Fair? Give me a break. OBJ is the designated scape goat. The only people he distracts are the fans who use him to deflect blame from inept ownership and an aging QB.
Has not been a distraction to this team despite his talent, is really not being fair
See, I think this is the unfair statement. How exactly has he been a distraction to his team? He's been a distraction to the fans and media for sure, but how is Odell headbutting a fan on the sideline a distraction to his team? Do players play worse because he gets pissed when we are losing? I really don't understand how he's a "distraction" to his team. Is it because fans and media love talking about him?
I think Odell is still showing some signs of immaturity, but it has zero effect on what happens between the lines. I think his behavior embarrasses some fans(particularly the uptight ones that don't like this generation of athlete) and people have a hard time separating that with what he brings to the actual game and to the team.
This isn't TO fracturing the lockerroom. This isn't a guy that takes plays off. This isn't a guy skating by on his natural talents. This is a 26 year old kid that works as hard as anyone, plays at 100% all of the time and someone who is very close to his teammates. He's certainly not perfect, but the way people shit on him is amazing to me. I just don't understand it. People can't seem to separate their dislike for whats best for the team.
Lets go back 6 months.….I'm still not trading him and I'm still signing him to a long term deal. We need to find guys like him, not get rid of him. I get it. Everyone loves the quiet athlete that falls in line and hands the ball to the ref because that player doesn't embarrass you when you are talking to your friends at the water cooler. Nothing Odell has ever done(outside of Carolina, but I can make a case that he absolutely made up for it) has ever prevented any teammate from succeeding. Quite the opposite actually.
where a bunch of people threw a fit when OBJ left the field with 1 second on the clock. Threads started, 500 comments within 15 minutes about how he should be released, traded and benched. Tons of outrage over OBJ leaving his teammates on the field. Then both the team and OBJ say that he was getting a head start on an IV and all of a sudden people flip it into the headbutt. People just look for reasons to hate on this guy. He's eccentric, he doesn't give a shit what you think and he's an easy target for the drama queens.
See, I think this is the unfair statement. How exactly has he been a distraction to his team?
Didn't he recently publicly implicitly criticize Eli and Shurmur? And didn't Shurmur see fit to have him apologize to the team? Didn't the team see fit to fine him?
See, I think this is the unfair statement. How exactly has he been a distraction to his team?
Didn't he recently publicly implicitly criticize Eli and Shurmur? And didn't Shurmur see fit to have him apologize to the team? Didn't the team see fit to fine him?
Are you suggesting that those comments made Eli play worse? Made Shurmur coach worse or made his teammates play less than they could? How exactly does it effect the game between the lines?
A guy is 5 minutes late to a meeting and gets fined. Â
I only care about winning football games. Teams have rules and Odell broke a rule so he was fined. How is that preventing or distracting anyone else from doing their jobs?
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I responded to someone calling Odell a distraction(when someone says a player is a distraction, the implication is that the player is distracting others from doing their jobs). You then responded to my post and cited this recent interview.
I can understand why people didn't like Odell doing it. I certainly didn't, but how is it a distraction? How did it prevent his team from doing their jobs? Outside of the Carolina game 19 years ago when odell was a baby and probably needed veteran leadership, how has anything he has done prevented his teammates from doing their jobs?
If I'm wrong about how I define the word distraction, please let me know.
where a bunch of people threw a fit when OBJ left the field with 1 second on the clock. Threads started, 500 comments within 15 minutes about how he should be released, traded and benched. Tons of outrage over OBJ leaving his teammates on the field. Then both the team and OBJ say that he was getting a head start on an IV and all of a sudden people flip it into the headbutt. People just look for reasons to hate on this guy. He's eccentric, he doesn't give a shit what you think and he's an easy target for the drama queens.
I think you’re a little confused over who’s the drama queen here!
I think it has more to do with public opinion and appeasing fans who get mad it this stuff than anything else.
Players across the league are fined almost weekly for all sorts of stuff. That means every infraction is a distraction if I use your line of thinking.
Maybe the league has jaded me because I simply do not care about any of this and haven’t for a while. Outside of a Vontaze Burfict pattern of dirty play or routine substance abuse by Josh Norman, most other instances are basically meaningless. I can’t tell you what you should and shouldn’t care about, but for the life of my I can’t figure out why people care about most NFL “stories”.
Except when he carried the offense to the playoffs on a flawed team—- those wins don’t matter- just the loss in the playoffs when he played poorly counted
Blanket statements that are biased opinion but stated like fact are really pointless—
So on a good footbal team with him on it- apparently he would cause them to lose —- makes total sense I get it
If the coach or the front office of this team were even remotely as good at their jobs as Beckham is at his, we wouldn't be in this fucking mess.
Instead, we have posters talking about dumping players and trading picks so we can acquire draft picks for 2020. Even the fucking Knicks have a shorter horizon than that, and they're not in the parity crazy NFL.
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He's a passionate player who plays hard, AND he's a fairly notable headcase.
The fallacy here is this idea that somehow we can't expect to have the great WR without the stupid bullshit that comes with him.
The fallacy is that you can just dump him and go pick another one off the tree in the backyard
IDEALLY you don't have a LBer who does coacaine, but when you find LT you deal with it
Can't just say oh we'll just go find another great WR who's also a model citizen, where you pulling the other great WR out of? So yeah your "expectation" is pretty unreasonable
Is so overblown, and not just in regards to Odell. How does anyone's interview comments cause a distraction like ever? Because the players have to answer dumbass questions about it in their media sessions instead of dumbass questions about other meaningless shit? Unless it's causing a rift in the locker room, who cares?
I doubt any of these guys are going "Oh no, now I have to answer questions about Odell peeing like a dog after the game today. Totally won't be able to watch film tomorrow now"
OBJ competes between the lines the way you would want a player to do. So, he is worth keeping. But, the "distractions" are much more than just looking at a solar eclipse and proposing to the kicking net. He threw his qb and head coach under the bus. And, while he is not like TO in terms of taking a play off, he is certainly like TO in the "look I am not the reason" we are losing and if you think that doesn't effect a locker room, I am pretty sure you have never been in a locker room at any level.
OBJ competes between the lines the way you would want a player to do. So, he is worth keeping. But, the "distractions" are much more than just looking at a solar eclipse and proposing to the kicking net. He threw his qb and head coach under the bus. And, while he is not like TO in terms of taking a play off, he is certainly like TO in the "look I am not the reason" we are losing and if you think that doesn't effect a locker room, I am pretty sure you have never been in a locker room at any level.
FYI the solar eclipse thing was a joke making fun of people like you who judge his every move. He was looking into a lamp
OBJ competes between the lines the way you would want a player to do. So, he is worth keeping. But, the "distractions" are much more than just looking at a solar eclipse and proposing to the kicking net. He threw his qb and head coach under the bus. And, while he is not like TO in terms of taking a play off, he is certainly like TO in the "look I am not the reason" we are losing and if you think that doesn't effect a locker room, I am pretty sure you have never been in a locker room at any level.
Maybe the bigger issue is fans like you who didn't get the solar eclipse joke and are instead turning it into a ridiculous "strike" against a player you clearly just don't like...
being included in a list of player infractions ctually made me laugh out loud. I often wonder how so many on BBI even function offline on a day to day basis.
OBJ competes between the lines the way you would want a player to do. So, he is worth keeping. But, the "distractions" are much more than just looking at a solar eclipse and proposing to the kicking net. He threw his qb and head coach under the bus. And, while he is not like TO in terms of taking a play off, he is certainly like TO in the "look I am not the reason" we are losing and if you think that doesn't effect a locker room, I am pretty sure you have never been in a locker room at any level.
Maybe the bigger issue is fans like you who didn't get the solar eclipse joke and are instead turning it into a ridiculous "strike" against a player you clearly just don't like...
Only on BBI can you say forgetting the solar eclipse and making out with the kicking net and then being forced to defend that you are counting it against him. My main point was and still is that bad mouthing your qb who is an institution on this team is not good for locker room morale. Are we saying that locker room morale doesn’t matter? Are we saying that Eli has no friends in this locker room who would be pissed that someone on their team would go to the media. I know guys who used to play with him still stick up for him in the media, like Diehl O’Hara and even today Victor Cruz. It’s amazing to me that you can say that the guy works hard, competes on every play, and you want him on the team but that his public comments are not helpful and that he has to mature somewhat can even be remotely controversial.
I believe his comment was along the lines of "why aren't we trying to throw the ball down field"
That's what constitutes bad mouthing and throwing under the bus these days?
Yeah, I prefer he did that in house and having a poor man's flava flave by his side was a ridiculous look, but lets not make a mountain over a molehill.
OBJ competes between the lines the way you would want a player to do. So, he is worth keeping. But, the "distractions" are much more than just looking at a solar eclipse and proposing to the kicking net. He threw his qb and head coach under the bus. And, while he is not like TO in terms of taking a play off, he is certainly like TO in the "look I am not the reason" we are losing and if you think that doesn't effect a locker room, I am pretty sure you have never been in a locker room at any level.
Maybe the bigger issue is fans like you who didn't get the solar eclipse joke and are instead turning it into a ridiculous "strike" against a player you clearly just don't like...
Only on BBI can you say forgetting the solar eclipse and making out with the kicking net and then being forced to defend that you are counting it against him. My main point was and still is that bad mouthing your qb who is an institution on this team is not good for locker room morale. Are we saying that locker room morale doesn’t matter? Are we saying that Eli has no friends in this locker room who would be pissed that someone on their team would go to the media. I know guys who used to play with him still stick up for him in the media, like Diehl O’Hara and even today Victor Cruz. It’s amazing to me that you can say that the guy works hard, competes on every play, and you want him on the team but that his public comments are not helpful and that he has to mature somewhat can even be remotely controversial.
He didn't bad mouth the QB.
You're hearing what you want to hear and seeing what you want to see because again, you don't like the guy.
I'd appreciate it so much more if some of you guys were just honest about it and admitted that rather than trying to act partial or fair in these threads - because you've obviously made up your mind and have an agenda which is causing you to create your own narratives.
Your last sentence especially makes no sense.
I've hammered Beckham plenty of times when it comes to maturity. I was disappointed that he even did that stupid interview and was hoping he'd have learned not to make waves like that because it's not helpful.
At the same time, anyone who thinks the direction of the team or effort levels changed for the worse in any area because of his comments are again, just looking for strikes to tally against him because you don't like him.
I think my views on Beckham are pretty fair.
He's a tremendous player, I think he legitimately cares about winning, I think he plays and works very hard, and I think he's a better teammate than he gets credit for.
I also think he needs to shut the fuck up when it comes to a lot of things and leave that stuff behind closed doors. There were very easy ways to answer those questions in the Josina Anderson interview and he intentionally gave answers that he knew would create a stir. Hell, I wouldn't even be mad if we eventually traded him provided the return was good enough.
He's frustrated. He's one of the best players in the league on one of the worst teams. I'm glad he's angry about that. Anyone who doesn't care should be traded or cut.
Just stop trying to pretend to be objective about him. You aren't, nor are most of his detractors here.
Ummmm, I love Beckham but did we forget about the Carolina game a couple of years ago with Josh Norman? What about the pretending he was a dog and pissing in the end zone? Kicking the kicking net?
Then there is the stupidity off the field (ex: ESPN interview a few weeks ago). The guy plays his ass off on the field and I love him as a player but let's not act like he hasn't earned the criticism he now faces.
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His performance has been outstanding, despite working on an offense that's completely dysfunctional. He's done some silly things on the field, without a doubt, but nothing to earn the vitriol he gets from a lot of supposed 'fans'.
Ummmm, I love Beckham but did we forget about the Carolina game a couple of years ago with Josh Norman? What about the pretending he was a dog and pissing in the end zone? Kicking the kicking net?
Then there is the stupidity off the field (ex: ESPN interview a few weeks ago). The guy plays his ass off on the field and I love him as a player but let's not act like he hasn't earned the criticism he now faces.
Yeah how long ago was the Norman thing? Almost 3 years ago now. Something he did as a immature player and not without significant instigation...he learned from it and has not repeated that mistake again.
None of the other stuff really matters except the ESPN interview and even that is relatively small potatoes. Just a blip.
Almost all of his perceived 'sins' are blown so far out of proportion that it is eye-roll worthy.
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His performance has been outstanding, despite working on an offense that's completely dysfunctional. He's done some silly things on the field, without a doubt, but nothing to earn the vitriol he gets from a lot of supposed 'fans'.
Ummmm, I love Beckham but did we forget about the Carolina game a couple of years ago with Josh Norman? What about the pretending he was a dog and pissing in the end zone? Kicking the kicking net?
Then there is the stupidity off the field (ex: ESPN interview a few weeks ago). The guy plays his ass off on the field and I love him as a player but let's not act like he hasn't earned the criticism he now faces.
I very rarely agree with this poster, but I totally agree with this. You can think OBJ's antics are getting tiresome and have been distractions, while also holding the opinion that when he is on the field he works extremely hard, is extremely competitive, and gives you everything he had. So, I like him as a football player, but as a person he has a ton of growing up to do.
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His performance has been outstanding, despite working on an offense that's completely dysfunctional. He's done some silly things on the field, without a doubt, but nothing to earn the vitriol he gets from a lot of supposed 'fans'.
Ummmm, I love Beckham but did we forget about the Carolina game a couple of years ago with Josh Norman? What about the pretending he was a dog and pissing in the end zone? Kicking the kicking net?
Then there is the stupidity off the field (ex: ESPN interview a few weeks ago). The guy plays his ass off on the field and I love him as a player but let's not act like he hasn't earned the criticism he now faces.
Some of the behavior is wayyy overblown, the Norman thing.. he should've took his helmet off and bashed him in the head with it before the game claiming self defense as soon as Norman and one of his dlineman approached Beckham before the game carrying a baseball bat trying to intimidate him, how that was ok and how nobody talks about it is beyond me, Norman is a fuckin low life scum bag though and the only thing regrettable about the helmet to helmet hit is that it didn't end Normans career
The lifting leg like a dog celebration, I really don't even get what people were offended about on that one, the outrage over that still confuses me.. But welcome to the modern day where anything and everything offends somebody without explanation or reasoning, so fragile
The kicking net thing.. I mean who cares that he smacked a kicking net in anger? I remember when this was considered normal behavior for an athlete before we had 24/7 HD close up shots on the sideline, sure it's awkward that it backfired on him, so make fun of him.. to use THAT against his character is beyond absurd, the proposal to the kicking net was weird as hell. He's a weird guy, but that's it and there's nothing morally wrong about being a weirdo.
There are things he deserves criticism for, absolutely.. however most of the things people actually do pick out like this nonsense is just rediculous
It has nothing to do with the man himself and his effort The real IQ test is was it smart that the Giants spent a large amount of money on a player whos entire game is based on his speed and agility which is some ways already looks in decline after his injury last year. No team in the history of the NFL has won with a star WR being the focal point of the offense no matter how good he is just look at the 2008 Lions that is what we are now.
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His performance has been outstanding, despite working on an offense that's completely dysfunctional. He's done some silly things on the field, without a doubt, but nothing to earn the vitriol he gets from a lot of supposed 'fans'.
It has nothing to do with the man himself and his effort The real IQ test is was it smart that the Giants spent a large amount of money on a player whos entire game is based on his speed and agility which is some ways already looks in decline after his injury last year. No team in the history of the NFL has won with a star WR being the focal point of the offense no matter how good he is just look at the 2008 Lions that is what we are now.
Why would a star WR have to be *the* focal point?
Beckham's good for 4th in the NFL in receiving yards, in a year where his offense is in shambles and he's returning from injury.
The major point in all of this is the Giants should not be anywhere near this bad offensively with OBJ and Barkley. How they've managed to be this inept is beyond me, but it sure as hell has nothing to do with Beckham.
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His performance has been outstanding, despite working on an offense that's completely dysfunctional. He's done some silly things on the field, without a doubt, but nothing to earn the vitriol he gets from a lot of supposed 'fans'.
It has nothing to do with the man himself and his effort The real IQ test is was it smart that the Giants spent a large amount of money on a player whos entire game is based on his speed and agility which is some ways already looks in decline after his injury last year. No team in the history of the NFL has won with a star WR being the focal point of the offense no matter how good he is just look at the 2008 Lions that is what we are now.
Why would a star WR have to be *the* focal point?
Beckham's good for 4th in the NFL in receiving yards, in a year where his offense is in shambles and he's returning from injury.
The major point in all of this is the Giants should not be anywhere near this bad offensively with OBJ and Barkley. How they've managed to be this inept is beyond me, but it sure as hell has nothing to do with Beckham.
True this complete failure on offense and its poor execution is not because of OBJ. However this team is a disaster and its clear the offense production is no better with OBJ in the line up as it is without him so is it smart to give a player that kind of money when its obvious the team has so many issues it cant function properly especially a Diva player who may or may not be negatively impacting the locker room. Its just a poor way to build a team unless you care more about selling Jerseys and T.V highlights instead of a winning program.
Fair? Give me a break. OBJ is the designated scape goat. The only people he distracts are the fans who use him to deflect blame from inept ownership and an aging QB.
See, I think this is the unfair statement. How exactly has he been a distraction to his team? He's been a distraction to the fans and media for sure, but how is Odell headbutting a fan on the sideline a distraction to his team? Do players play worse because he gets pissed when we are losing? I really don't understand how he's a "distraction" to his team. Is it because fans and media love talking about him?
I think Odell is still showing some signs of immaturity, but it has zero effect on what happens between the lines. I think his behavior embarrasses some fans(particularly the uptight ones that don't like this generation of athlete) and people have a hard time separating that with what he brings to the actual game and to the team.
This isn't TO fracturing the lockerroom. This isn't a guy that takes plays off. This isn't a guy skating by on his natural talents. This is a 26 year old kid that works as hard as anyone, plays at 100% all of the time and someone who is very close to his teammates. He's certainly not perfect, but the way people shit on him is amazing to me. I just don't understand it. People can't seem to separate their dislike for whats best for the team.
Lets go back 6 months.….I'm still not trading him and I'm still signing him to a long term deal. We need to find guys like him, not get rid of him. I get it. Everyone loves the quiet athlete that falls in line and hands the ball to the ref because that player doesn't embarrass you when you are talking to your friends at the water cooler. Nothing Odell has ever done(outside of Carolina, but I can make a case that he absolutely made up for it) has ever prevented any teammate from succeeding. Quite the opposite actually.
So are the people painting him as a massive villain and malcontent. Let's not act like it doesn't go both ways.
Didn't he recently publicly implicitly criticize Eli and Shurmur? And didn't Shurmur see fit to have him apologize to the team? Didn't the team see fit to fine him?
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See, I think this is the unfair statement. How exactly has he been a distraction to his team?
Didn't he recently publicly implicitly criticize Eli and Shurmur? And didn't Shurmur see fit to have him apologize to the team? Didn't the team see fit to fine him?
Are you suggesting that those comments made Eli play worse? Made Shurmur coach worse or made his teammates play less than they could? How exactly does it effect the game between the lines?
I can understand why people didn't like Odell doing it. I certainly didn't, but how is it a distraction? How did it prevent his team from doing their jobs? Outside of the Carolina game 19 years ago when odell was a baby and probably needed veteran leadership, how has anything he has done prevented his teammates from doing their jobs?
If I'm wrong about how I define the word distraction, please let me know.
I think you’re a little confused over who’s the drama queen here!
He will never be a part of a championship team.
I think it has more to do with public opinion and appeasing fans who get mad it this stuff than anything else.
Players across the league are fined almost weekly for all sorts of stuff. That means every infraction is a distraction if I use your line of thinking.
Maybe the league has jaded me because I simply do not care about any of this and haven’t for a while. Outside of a Vontaze Burfict pattern of dirty play or routine substance abuse by Josh Norman, most other instances are basically meaningless. I can’t tell you what you should and shouldn’t care about, but for the life of my I can’t figure out why people care about most NFL “stories”.
He will never be a part of a championship team.
Except when he carried the offense to the playoffs on a flawed team—- those wins don’t matter- just the loss in the playoffs when he played poorly counted
Blanket statements that are biased opinion but stated like fact are really pointless—
So on a good footbal team with him on it- apparently he would cause them to lose —- makes total sense I get it
The fallacy here is this idea that somehow we can't expect to have the great WR without the stupid bullshit that comes with him.
The fallacy here is this idea that somehow we can't expect to have the great WR without the stupid bullshit that comes with him.
It's tough for a tiger to change his stripes.
I've come to terms with accepting what happens off the field and in between plays for what' happens when the game clock is running.
If the coach or the front office of this team were even remotely as good at their jobs as Beckham is at his, we wouldn't be in this fucking mess.
Instead, we have posters talking about dumping players and trading picks so we can acquire draft picks for 2020. Even the fucking Knicks have a shorter horizon than that, and they're not in the parity crazy NFL.
The fallacy here is this idea that somehow we can't expect to have the great WR without the stupid bullshit that comes with him.
The fallacy is that you can just dump him and go pick another one off the tree in the backyard
IDEALLY you don't have a LBer who does coacaine, but when you find LT you deal with it
Can't just say oh we'll just go find another great WR who's also a model citizen, where you pulling the other great WR out of? So yeah your "expectation" is pretty unreasonable
I doubt any of these guys are going "Oh no, now I have to answer questions about Odell peeing like a dog after the game today. Totally won't be able to watch film tomorrow now"
FYI the solar eclipse thing was a joke making fun of people like you who judge his every move. He was looking into a lamp
Maybe the bigger issue is fans like you who didn't get the solar eclipse joke and are instead turning it into a ridiculous "strike" against a player you clearly just don't like...
the offense did open up and start throwing the ball down field after the interview.....just sayin
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OBJ competes between the lines the way you would want a player to do. So, he is worth keeping. But, the "distractions" are much more than just looking at a solar eclipse and proposing to the kicking net. He threw his qb and head coach under the bus. And, while he is not like TO in terms of taking a play off, he is certainly like TO in the "look I am not the reason" we are losing and if you think that doesn't effect a locker room, I am pretty sure you have never been in a locker room at any level.
Maybe the bigger issue is fans like you who didn't get the solar eclipse joke and are instead turning it into a ridiculous "strike" against a player you clearly just don't like...
Only on BBI can you say forgetting the solar eclipse and making out with the kicking net and then being forced to defend that you are counting it against him. My main point was and still is that bad mouthing your qb who is an institution on this team is not good for locker room morale. Are we saying that locker room morale doesn’t matter? Are we saying that Eli has no friends in this locker room who would be pissed that someone on their team would go to the media. I know guys who used to play with him still stick up for him in the media, like Diehl O’Hara and even today Victor Cruz. It’s amazing to me that you can say that the guy works hard, competes on every play, and you want him on the team but that his public comments are not helpful and that he has to mature somewhat can even be remotely controversial.
That's what constitutes bad mouthing and throwing under the bus these days?
Yeah, I prefer he did that in house and having a poor man's flava flave by his side was a ridiculous look, but lets not make a mountain over a molehill.
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OBJ competes between the lines the way you would want a player to do. So, he is worth keeping. But, the "distractions" are much more than just looking at a solar eclipse and proposing to the kicking net. He threw his qb and head coach under the bus. And, while he is not like TO in terms of taking a play off, he is certainly like TO in the "look I am not the reason" we are losing and if you think that doesn't effect a locker room, I am pretty sure you have never been in a locker room at any level.
Maybe the bigger issue is fans like you who didn't get the solar eclipse joke and are instead turning it into a ridiculous "strike" against a player you clearly just don't like...
Only on BBI can you say forgetting the solar eclipse and making out with the kicking net and then being forced to defend that you are counting it against him. My main point was and still is that bad mouthing your qb who is an institution on this team is not good for locker room morale. Are we saying that locker room morale doesn’t matter? Are we saying that Eli has no friends in this locker room who would be pissed that someone on their team would go to the media. I know guys who used to play with him still stick up for him in the media, like Diehl O’Hara and even today Victor Cruz. It’s amazing to me that you can say that the guy works hard, competes on every play, and you want him on the team but that his public comments are not helpful and that he has to mature somewhat can even be remotely controversial.
He didn't bad mouth the QB.
You're hearing what you want to hear and seeing what you want to see because again, you don't like the guy.
I'd appreciate it so much more if some of you guys were just honest about it and admitted that rather than trying to act partial or fair in these threads - because you've obviously made up your mind and have an agenda which is causing you to create your own narratives.
Your last sentence especially makes no sense.
I've hammered Beckham plenty of times when it comes to maturity. I was disappointed that he even did that stupid interview and was hoping he'd have learned not to make waves like that because it's not helpful.
At the same time, anyone who thinks the direction of the team or effort levels changed for the worse in any area because of his comments are again, just looking for strikes to tally against him because you don't like him.
I think my views on Beckham are pretty fair.
He's a tremendous player, I think he legitimately cares about winning, I think he plays and works very hard, and I think he's a better teammate than he gets credit for.
I also think he needs to shut the fuck up when it comes to a lot of things and leave that stuff behind closed doors. There were very easy ways to answer those questions in the Josina Anderson interview and he intentionally gave answers that he knew would create a stir. Hell, I wouldn't even be mad if we eventually traded him provided the return was good enough.
He's frustrated. He's one of the best players in the league on one of the worst teams. I'm glad he's angry about that. Anyone who doesn't care should be traded or cut.
Just stop trying to pretend to be objective about him. You aren't, nor are most of his detractors here.