Duke (Daniel Jones) at Pittsburgh - 3:30 PM on the Yes Network
Oregon (Justin Herbert) at Arizona - 10:30 PM on ESPN
This is my first time seeing Daniel Jones so let's see what he's all about.
Let's see if Herbert and the Oregon offense can rebound from last week's loss against Wazzu.
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Giants have scouts at tonights Oregon-Arizona game; this is the fourth time the Giants have been on-hand for an Oregon game in addition to attending their practices.
Liking what I see from Finley. I need to make a point to watch more of him. Big, athletic, throws a nice ball.
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Giants have scouts at tonights Oregon-Arizona game; this is the fourth time the Giants have been on-hand for an Oregon game in addition to attending their practices.
Anak, I would love to annoint the kid our crown jewel of pissing away this year. I have said repeatedly that he has more talent than anybody in this year's AND last year's guys. Yes, more than Darnold. He just has been a manager at this point than a killer at QB.
If he shows up and does the Mariota/Wentz (I dont see that) thing many say about him, I know that I wont have to worry about underthrowing Beckham.
He needs to show more touch on deep balls. He also needs to be more patient in the pocket. Show me that and Im on board. He is quicker and has a stronger arm than Jones.
Not a good start at all. That was all on Herbert. Arizona is a team he should pad stats against.
Just saying.
Strong arm but all his passes float. Rarely see him throw a laser or a pass on a rope. Really unimpressed with his past two games.
And you don't want to be the team to pass on Dan Marino because you already had Marc Wilson. And speaking of the Raiders, they're another team that already has a young QB on a multi-year deal, but would be foolish not to be heavily scouting Herbert.
There are maybe only a handful of teams in the NFL who wouldn't have reason to be heavily scouting Herbert (i.e., the Packers, who won't be drafting in the top ten and for whom there is no logic in trading into the top ten to get him). Regardless of how management feels about Eli and Lauletta, it would be negligent not to be heavily scouting every QB that could be worthy of a top ten pick. And I would feel the same way if I were a fan of the Bills, Cardinals, Niners, and Raiders.
Im going to wait to see a few more weeks, but trading a 2nd for Carr might be the best move they might have.
Im going to wait to see a few more weeks, but trading a 2nd for Carr might be the best move they might have.
First, Herbert has not looked good tonight, but it is clear the ENTIRE Oregon team did not show up to begin with. And the last drive was much, much better.
Second, on what planet is trading an extremely high second round pick for Derek Carr - an overpriced QB himself - a smart thing for a rebuilding team? I have no idea what your obsession is with Carr, but I want no part of that guy.
Didn't seem to give a shit after he scored the conversion too. A grown up.
Certainly has interesting skills but looks more unrefined than refined. If Im him, I stay in school to get more reps and experience. If he comes out, like I expect he will because the money will be catnip, I dont touch him at #1. Im not even sure hes top ten material at this point. Hes been struggling to keep his completion % above 60%. Something is really off the last month...
Hell, Gardner Minshew looks like the best QB in the Pac12 right now.
Im sticking with Will Grier. Kid is more accurate and makes more plays. Hope his metrics check out come Combine time...
No fucking substance. No reasons why Herbert "looks bad" or anything substantive as to why "Jones is not my type." Nobody mentioning Finley's poop game or that Lock went 23-29 with 4 tuddies and no picks albeit against memphis. Everybody comes on here to comment and they dont even support their assertion with anything that can ne construed as a real argument.
This fucking place has become one perpetual gameday thread.
Certainly has interesting skills but looks more unrefined than refined. If Im him, I stay in school to get more reps and experience. If he comes out, like I expect he will because the money will be catnip, I dont touch him at #1. Im not even sure hes top ten material at this point. Hes been struggling to keep his completion % above 60%. Something is really off the last month...
Hell, Gardner Minshew looks like the best QB in the Pac12 right now.
Im sticking with Will Grier. Kid is more accurate and makes more plays. Hope his metrics check out come Combine time...
This is at least a stance. I disagree with it because honestly I think Herbert might be the 3rd or 4th QB taken next year as opposed to almost certainly being the 1st overall pick thise year, top 5 the least and you dont pass that up for "reps."
bw, I disagree with you a lot, but at least you brought it.
Sorry to rant, but the most interesting thing to talk about on this board is prospective successors to Eli amd people just say things withput actually believing what they say.
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At times I think this could be like the 2011 draft - too many QB reaches in round one. That year: Locker, Ponder, and Gabbert (after Newton).
I definitely like Herberts size and arm, especially the various ways he can deliver the ball, but hes been going the wrong way lately. Hope he bounces out of it.
Daniel Jones is far and away a better prospect than he is in my opinion. But Im really starting to warm to the idea of trading for Derek Carr.
At times I think this could be like the 2011 draft - too many QB reaches in round one. That year: Locker, Ponder, and Gabbert (after Newton).
I definitely like Herberts size and arm, especially the various ways he can deliver the ball, but hes been going the wrong way lately. Hope he bounces out of it.
Well, in tha5 regard I can SORTA understand your affinity for Grier. Whether he throws picks or not, the guy puts up HUGE numbers. I still dont want him anywhere near the Giants.
Like I said....maybe some swap of 1sts and other draft picks for Derek Carr... Say, their Bears first amd Cowboys first and Carr for our first, 2nd?
For me Jones is the only one who looks the part. He didnt have the close to the game we wanted but he is better than all the other guys.
Oregon's OC shoukd be fired. He is awful....or Herbert is not going thru progs...
Herbert DOES lock on to receivers. I am very quickly souring on him as a prospect in general. He pooks like Derek Anderson.
Very disappointing.
No fucking substance. No reasons why Herbert "looks bad" or anything substantive as to why "Jones is not my type." Nobody mentioning Finley's poop game or that Lock went 23-29 with 4 tuddies and no picks albeit against memphis. Everybody comes on here to comment and they dont even support their assertion with anything that can ne construed as a real argument.
This fucking place has become one perpetual gameday thread.
It's a Josh special
And neither of them may be there when time to pick. And mortgaging the farm to move up for either wouldnt be wise.
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Tua and Fromm are better prospects in my opinion.
And neither of them may be there when time to pick. And mortgaging the farm to move up for either wouldnt be wise.
Youre kidding, right? Fromm?
Nice college player. But hes at best a game manager.
There is nothing special about anything he does physically. Nothing. Hes 62, maybe 220, decent speed, medium arm, medium zip.
Intangibles? Sure. Heady kid, poised, and focused. But there needs to be a helluva lot more development on the physical side before Id even draft him in the first five rounds.
Herbert at times looks like he could step in immediately and be a franchise guy but he goes through prolonged stretches where he just doesnt look ready to enter the draft. Last night was a very very bad game for him. Not all to be end all but Arizona is quite poor on defense.
Grier is just overhyped at this point. Forces a ton of balls, very indecisive in the pocket. He is surrounded by top tier talent and plays shit defenses all year. He will make throws that will wow you... but I just dont see it with the kid.
Jones seems to be the prototypical QB you want. But this kid has basically came out of nowhere to now being regarded as a top QB. Is that more of his part or the part the other QBs are just play inconsistent?
The thing that sucks for the Giants is we need a QB in a draft where a franchise guy just might not be there.
Very disappointing.
Herbert had a terrible performance. There is no way around that. But there is no benefit to him staying in school, because that team's scheme is awful. He had a bad day, but that doesn't ruin the type of prospect I think he is. It certainly takes some of the shine off of the guy - and the Herbert Haters on here loved every second of it - but we'll have to see how he bounces back.
Three of his next four games are outdoors - Wake, ND, and BC. Those will be good tests, especially against ND, who has a terrific D.
Jesus christ.
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I have no reason to pull for Jones based on what I see. But Daniel Jones has looked far better than this.
Im going to wait to see a few more weeks, but trading a 2nd for Carr might be the best move they might have.
First, Herbert has not looked good tonight, but it is clear the ENTIRE Oregon team did not show up to begin with. And the last drive was much, much better.
Second, on what planet is trading an extremely high second round pick for Derek Carr - an overpriced QB himself - a smart thing for a rebuilding team? I have no idea what your obsession is with Carr, but I want no part of that guy.
This.
Age aside there's no difference in my mind between Eli and Carr, except at one point in time Eli actually got it done - so if the choice is Eli or Carr, I'd rather just keep Eli.
All those guys except for mayfield had downright awful games last year. You cant really go off of one game.
No, I never have been. Ive been all in on Grier. I think hes the best pocket passer and playmaker. I really enjoy his poise and command with that offense.
Now, I think Herbert likely has the best physical tools, but that barely fills half the equation in the pros. When you start to struggle with Pac12 defense, and they are very poor this year, something is off. Way off.
I like Grier and the Duke kid better, but I'm not really sure I like any of them.
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Herbert isnt as good as Mayfield, Darnold, and Rosen were at this point last year. And if thats the case, since DG didnt like any of those guys, he cant take Herbert. Grab one of the OTs, Oliver, Bosa, or the best guy from Clemsons DL and wait for Tua and Fromm.
All those guys except for mayfield had downright awful games last year. You cant really go off of one game.
It's not just last night for me. I've watched a bunch of Herbert this fall and I haven't been impressed by him one bit.
Herbert wasnt that impressive in the two prior games against Washington or Washington State. So Im not sure what you mean by all year.
No running back is ever worth selecting #2 and the Giants still did that. Barkley has been terrific, but still not anywhere near valuable enough.
I was thinking this yesterday. The ball shoots out of his hand - he's very accurate and he has good pocket presence.
I don't see many weaknesses at all.
Tua is the real deal, too. It sucks that this is happening this year and not next. But I think we'll still be awful next year anyway.
I just hope we don't take the wrong guy in the next draft and then have it cost us a shot at one of the other QB's down the road.
Tua or Lawrence would be a huge get for us - but we'll have to keep being this bad in order to have a chance at either. Which - is certainly not out of the question.
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Cristobal said WR Dillon Mitchell and QB Justin Herbert are in concussion protocol. TE Kano Dillon, DL Austin Faoliu and LB Kaulana Apelu expected back