Duke (Daniel Jones) at Pittsburgh - 3:30 PM on the Yes Network
Oregon (Justin Herbert) at Arizona - 10:30 PM on ESPN
This is my first time seeing Daniel Jones so let's see what he's all about.
Let's see if Herbert and the Oregon offense can rebound from last week's loss against Wazzu.
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For the hell of it I went and watched Jake Fromm to see what all the hype was about and if he'd be worth waiting till next year for, only checked out one game but wasn't blown away, he has good touch but not velocity, though his accuracy seemed erratic when he had to make big boy throws, his comp% was buffed by a whole lot of horizontal passing, and unlike Jones his supporting cast was amazing. Guys were making plays all over the place and he was able to chill in the pocket with basically motionless feet, all day and then some, but he did a good job going through progressions and making the right decision. After watching Herbert it's nice to see guys who's eyes actually move. Oh and also to his credit the one time a rusher did actually get through he stood in there until the last second and delivered a nice ball. Not exactly sure to what to make of him yet, he's not as naturally gifted as these other guys but his brain seems further ahead.
At first glance I see a little bit of Tom Brady with less arm talent, no special physical traits that really jump out at you but always seems to make the right decision with the football. I'd like to see how he moves and handles real pressure, he didn't have to budge from his platform in the game I saw. Based on what I saw he's probably a safer pick than a Jones or Herbert but they might have more superstar potential.
It may not be a popular opinion but like all 3 better than any of the QBs last year.
Rosen I liked but was the ultimate safe but limited upside type of prospect. My biggest problem with him is he's a douche bag and not presidential enough to be the face of a franchise (Eli Manning is now the standard on how I expect a QB to carry himself)
Josh Allen I liked for his all world gifts but he obviously needed/needs a lot of work.
Sam Darnold I did not love, he had solid tools and I like agressiveness but he's a down right psycho with the football, he'll chuck 180 fade away jumpers like he thinks he's Steph Curry. A little hero ball here and there is great, but he's just down right reckless and that's hard to extract from someone's DNA.
Baker Mayfield I did not like at all (and I also thought was a total douche), but so far he's proving me wrong and has played the best of the bunch.
Lamar Jackson.. well, don't make me laugh. Not a QB.
He has a strong arm, so no that won't be a knock on him at all
Smart, big, mobile, has a plenty good arm and a head
I think the only knocks are the competition he faces (ACC is fine, but he has yet to really stand out) and his receivers being incapable of consistency. His receivers look 3 times better today than they have looked in the past two weeks.
Smart, big, mobile, has a plenty good arm and a head
This is the first time Ive watched Jones live but what do you think about this criticism regarding velocity from Draft Network?
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I have to be honest that tyrik and GoDeep pointed him out before I caught a look at him. I think he males quicker decisions, looks less frantic than Herbert when the play breaks down a bit, delivers timing balls on time with plenty of velo, runs well as well as throws well on the run, throws a beyter deep ball than Herbert...and then theres the coaching factor.
Smart, big, mobile, has a plenty good arm and a head
This is the first time Ive watched Jones live but what do you think about this criticism regarding velocity from Draft Network? Link - ( New Window )
Reading now, will let you know. As of my brief time watching him I have not thought arm strength to be an issue. But will read your link and comment.
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I have to be honest that tyrik and GoDeep pointed him out before I caught a look at him. I think he males quicker decisions, looks less frantic than Herbert when the play breaks down a bit, delivers timing balls on time with plenty of velo, runs well as well as throws well on the run, throws a beyter deep ball than Herbert...and then theres the coaching factor.
Smart, big, mobile, has a plenty good arm and a head
This is the first time Ive watched Jones live but what do you think about this criticism regarding velocity from Draft Network? Link - ( New Window )
I didnt like that article at all after reading it. Mostly because the section on velo was misleading. The first clip, it was Jones' 3rd read and almost a check down....I dont know if he was actually trying to complete it. The second the DB has terrific coverage on the receivr and Jones put it in a place where the DB had to make a great play in order to break up the pass. The third was just a bad pass.
I havent finished reading the WHOLE thing yet, but that review screams "Im trying to find something wrong with this guy." For all of those three throws, I have seen several times where Jones not only hums the ball outside, but does so on target. That article doesnt highlighr how well he executes the quick digs, slants and outs. He always puts the ball around waist level.
You also have to keep in mind that he has to wait for a lot of these guys to kivk open.
Positives.
Prototypical size for a QB.
Excellent pocket presence. Nimble feet. Can scramble to buy extra time.
Keeps his eyes downfield. Feels the rush, but is not fazed by it.
Accurate at all levels, including on deep throws. Has a deft touch on fades. Anticipation thrower. Throws receivers open.
Reads defenses well.
Generally compact and natural throwing motion.
Negatives.
Good, but not great arm.
Not really a threat to run, and not elusive. More of a classic drop back pocket passer, which could be a problem with our OL.
Gangly, with little lower body strength.
Bounces a lot before he throws, which requires him to reset for a split second before he does.
Comparison: Taller version of Josh Rosen.
And Pittsburgh. Can't even judge Jones on this game.
Positives.
Prototypical size for a QB.
Excellent pocket presence. Nimble feet. Can scramble to buy extra time.
Keeps his eyes downfield. Feels the rush, but is not fazed by it.
Accurate at all levels, including on deep throws. Has a deft touch on fades. Anticipation thrower. Throws receivers open.
Reads defenses well.
Generally compact and natural throwing motion.
Negatives.
Good, but not great arm.
Not really a threat to run, and not elusive. More of a classic drop back pocket passer, which could be a problem with our OL.
Gangly, with little lower body strength.
Bounces a lot before he throws, which requires him to reset for a split second before he does.
Comparison: Taller version of Josh Rosen.
Positives.
Prototypical size for a QB.
Excellent pocket presence. Nimble feet. Can scramble to buy extra time.
Keeps his eyes downfield. Feels the rush, but is not fazed by it.
Accurate at all levels, including on deep throws. Has a deft touch on fades. Anticipation thrower. Throws receivers open.
Reads defenses well.
Generally compact and natural throwing motion.
Negatives.
Good, but not great arm.
Not really a threat to run, and not elusive. More of a classic drop back pocket passer, which could be a problem with our OL.
Gangly, with little lower body strength.
Bounces a lot before he throws, which requires him to reset for a split second before he does.
Comparison: Taller version of Josh Rosen.
I think he is stronger and more mobile than you give him credit for. He always falls forward and he hasnt had to rush much today but he can get around defenders if he needs to.
Is this your first up close watch of him Acid?
While he has a strong arm his release is deliberate
He plays like he has been over coached
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initial impression after seeing Jones a few times:
Positives.
Prototypical size for a QB.
Excellent pocket presence. Nimble feet. Can scramble to buy extra time.
Keeps his eyes downfield. Feels the rush, but is not fazed by it.
Accurate at all levels, including on deep throws. Has a deft touch on fades. Anticipation thrower. Throws receivers open.
Reads defenses well.
Generally compact and natural throwing motion.
Negatives.
Good, but not great arm.
Not really a threat to run, and not elusive. More of a classic drop back pocket passer, which could be a problem with our OL.
Gangly, with little lower body strength.
Bounces a lot before he throws, which requires him to reset for a split second before he does.
Comparison: Taller version of Josh Rosen.
Jones is plenty athletic. Has over 1000 rushing yards in his college career. Will probably time in the 4.7s
I see Jones as a horizontal, not vertical, runner. As a QB who can extend plays outside the pocket, but mostly behind the LOS, with occasional short scrambles for first downs. He also has a generally thin build, is gangly, and not elusive. He'd probably get hurt running vertically in the NFL.
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initial impression after seeing Jones a few times:
Positives.
Prototypical size for a QB.
Excellent pocket presence. Nimble feet. Can scramble to buy extra time.
Keeps his eyes downfield. Feels the rush, but is not fazed by it.
Accurate at all levels, including on deep throws. Has a deft touch on fades. Anticipation thrower. Throws receivers open.
Reads defenses well.
Generally compact and natural throwing motion.
Negatives.
Good, but not great arm.
Not really a threat to run, and not elusive. More of a classic drop back pocket passer, which could be a problem with our OL.
Gangly, with little lower body strength.
Bounces a lot before he throws, which requires him to reset for a split second before he does.
Comparison: Taller version of Josh Rosen.
Jones is plenty athletic. Has over 1000 rushing yards in his college career. Will probably time in the 4.7s
I see Jones as a horizontal, not vertical, runner. As a QB who can extend plays outside the pocket, but mostly behind the LOS, with occasional short scrambles for first downs. He also has a generally thin build, is gangly, and not elusive. He'd probably get hurt running vertically in the NFL.
Lol, hes the same size as Eli!
I tend to agree with this. I am not sure if he will be as creative in the scramble as Ben...and hes not 250. But he reminds me a lot of Ben too.
I will say that he hasnt shown that killer instinct to convert plays like that. Not sure if Herbert has that either.
I totally agree. But if you honestly dont think the Giants would sign the very best FAs and go OL round 2 and or 3, I think people are underestimating the resolve of this franchise. Mara definitely sees it, DG is known for it and Shurmur certainly sees it.
We 180'd this line in 04 didnt we? We signed Ohara, drafted Snee in 04. Drafted Diehl in 03. Signed Mac in 05.
Get the fucking QB.
But no excuses.
I like him, but right now, he's not worth a top 10 pick IMO. But it's early. I want to see more. I also acknowledge that it looks like his receivers drop too many passes. Saw him against UVA, GT, and part of Northwestern.
There is no defense in this game.
But it might be due to Duke's deficit as far as receivers.
I like him, but right now, he's not worth a top 10 pick IMO. But it's early. I want to see more. I also acknowledge that it looks like his receivers drop too many passes. Saw him against UVA, GT, and part of Northwestern.
There is no defense in this game.
The Ben comparison is strictly in how he moves. There is a lot of similarities there. I'm talking about how he moves in the pocket, how he adjusts when protection breaks down and when he is asked to go outside.
I agree. This is my second game watching him. Once again I'm looking at the Clemson game before I really form an opinion. I like what I see and can see him being in the round 1 convo though. We'll see.
Yea, the Duke defense might as well have me playing DT.
Mini test for Jones. Let's see if he can lead a game winning drive.
Smart, big, mobile, has a plenty good arm and a head
You're welcome lol
Im not in love with the guy by any means. I DO think he throws a better long ball than Herbert. I DO think he gets rid of the ball quicker andmore accurately on the short throws. I DO think he is better built for the pro game and I think he is better coached.
He needs to make some plays now. Or at least put some players in spots to make them.
Im almost resigned to make an offer on trading for Carr so we can take BPA at this point because neither Jones nor Herbert have come up BIG
Def was. Not by TOO much. Lots of above avg pro receivers make that catch, but a poor pass to say the least.
Again, doesnt sway me either way, tho I would have loved to see him will a conversion out of that.
It wasnt WAY behind them....stop it. But a little disappointing none the less.
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Def was. Not by TOO much. Lots of above avg pro receivers make that catch, but a poor pass to say the least.
Again, doesnt sway me either way, tho I would have loved to see him will a conversion out of that.
Doesn't sway me either. It's just one throw.
Im not in love with the guy by any means. I DO think he throws a better long ball than Herbert. I DO think he gets rid of the ball quicker andmore accurately on the short throws. I DO think he is better built for the pro game and I think he is better coached.
He needs to make some plays now. Or at least put some players in spots to make them.
Im almost resigned to make an offer on trading for Carr so we can take BPA at this point because neither Jones nor Herbert have come up BIG
Carr trade would be a disaster. Id rather suck another year
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And then the OC to turn Jones loose to see what hes got.
Im not in love with the guy by any means. I DO think he throws a better long ball than Herbert. I DO think he gets rid of the ball quicker andmore accurately on the short throws. I DO think he is better built for the pro game and I think he is better coached.
He needs to make some plays now. Or at least put some players in spots to make them.
Im almost resigned to make an offer on trading for Carr so we can take BPA at this point because neither Jones nor Herbert have come up BIG
Carr trade would be a disaster. Id rather suck another year
Don't want Carr either.
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impact on what QB we invest in. Its never going to work anyway if the OL doesnt improve and thats a completely separate process. Sure, more mobile will increase success but long term we need to improve the line even if we had a Mahomes (even though I think hed be a massive upgrade and would make the line look better than it is).
I totally agree. But if you honestly dont think the Giants would sign the very best FAs and go OL round 2 and or 3, I think people are underestimating the resolve of this franchise. Mara definitely sees it, DG is known for it and Shurmur certainly sees it.
We 180'd this line in 04 didnt we? We signed Ohara, drafted Snee in 04. Drafted Diehl in 03. Signed Mac in 05.
Get the fucking QB.
Yeah I dont doubt that. Im just saying that they cant ding a QB for not being mobile enough because of the current OLine. This isnt the line that will get us to the playoffs, it needs and upgrade regardless. They also shouldnt want a mobile QB over prototype QB or pick they lesser player just because they can run better.
I dont think that would happen but some posters seem to think the line and the QB are a package deal and they have to absolutely 100% be separate projects.
Of course, the Giants could trade down in round one, and then take Jones, but this would be an unusual move for Gettleman, given his history.
But Jones, while playing well, did not set himself apart from the pack this week. I also think that Clemson tears his head off when they play.
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But he has missed WRs on the last two drives. Same pass - slants - and thrown way behind them. Can't miss on those throws.
It wasnt WAY behind them....stop it. But a little disappointing none the less.
In any event, down the stretch there was one QB that threw passes to win the game...the Pitt QB.
But a couple errant throws do not define a QB, particularly in rainy conditions in an away game. I like him as a prospect, and he's certainly a first round QB prospect. But he's got to make those throws on a consistent basis to be successful.
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But he has missed WRs on the last two drives. Same pass - slants - and thrown way behind them. Can't miss on those throws.
It wasnt WAY behind them....stop it. But a little disappointing none the less.
In any event, down the stretch there was one QB that threw passes to win the game...the Pitt QB.
But a couple errant throws do not define a QB, particularly in rainy conditions in an away game. I like him as a prospect, and he's certainly a first round QB prospect. But he's got to make those throws on a consistent basis to be successful.
Come on, the kid from Pitt completed 3 passes in a be entire second half. What he did has nothing to do with any kind of Jones discussion. Pit ran for 9000 yards against Duke.
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But he has missed WRs on the last two drives. Same pass - slants - and thrown way behind them. Can't miss on those throws.
It wasnt WAY behind them....stop it. But a little disappointing none the less.
In any event, down the stretch there was one QB that threw passes to win the game...the Pitt QB.
But a couple errant throws do not define a QB, particularly in rainy conditions in an away game. I like him as a prospect, and he's certainly a first round QB prospect. But he's got to make those throws on a consistent basis to be successful.
Come on, the kid from Pitt completed 3 passes in a be entire second half. What he did has nothing to do with any kind of Jones discussion. Pit ran for 9000 yards against Duke.
I'm not suggesting the Pitt QB is worthy of anything. Only that Jones had two drives to go down and stick one in the end zone at the end of the game and threw slant passes behind his guys.
As I said, such is life. I was letting that disappointment cloud his performance the rest of the game. He played very well, I thought. Nice throws; could throw on the run. For those who suggest he has no mobility, I have no idea what they are seeing, as Duke calls Jones's number on a bunch of designed run plays. Jones is a quality QB who belongs in the Round 1 discussion.
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But he has missed WRs on the last two drives. Same pass - slants - and thrown way behind them. Can't miss on those throws.
It wasnt WAY behind them....stop it. But a little disappointing none the less.
In any event, down the stretch there was one QB that threw passes to win the game...the Pitt QB.
But a couple errant throws do not define a QB, particularly in rainy conditions in an away game. I like him as a prospect, and he's certainly a first round QB prospect. But he's got to make those throws on a consistent basis to be successful.
Come on, the kid from Pitt completed 3 passes in a be entire second half. What he did has nothing to do with any kind of Jones discussion. Pit ran for 9000 yards against Duke.
I'm not suggesting the Pitt QB is worthy of anything. Only that Jones had two drives to go down and stick one in the end zone at the end of the game and threw slant passes behind his guys.
As I said, such is life. I was letting that disappointment cloud his performance the rest of the game. He played very well, I thought. Nice throws; could throw on the run. For those who suggest he has no mobility, I have no idea what they are seeing, as Duke calls Jones's number on a bunch of designed run plays. Jones is a quality QB who belongs in the Round 1 discussion.
Thats fair. Totally. And yea, he looked ordinary. Butno worse than Herbert has. If he stays this course, he is mid to 1st. If we could trade down to like 9 and pick up a couple of day 2s that would be nice.
We're way early here, he could be a Day 3 guy when all is said and done. However, there isn't anything in his game that precludes him from going Top 5. He's got tools. Saying he's a reach there is extremely premature. We'll see how he plays the rest of the year, that will be a bigger indicator IMO. The loaded deck game is always a great test, I thought he played well last week vs. UVA without any help from his OL or WRs. If he does the same vs. Clemson in a Death Valley night game, he absolutely should be in that Top QB discussion.
We're way early here, he could be a Day 3 guy when all is said and done. However, there isn't anything in his game that precludes him from going Top 5. He's got tools. Saying he's a reach there is extremely premature. We'll see how he plays the rest of the year, that will be a bigger indicator IMO. The loaded deck game is always a great test, I thought he played well last week vs. UVA without any help from his OL or WRs. If he does the same vs. Clemson in a Death Valley night game, he absolutely should be in that Top QB discussion.
Exactly my thinking. He needs "that play", "that drive", "that game" where he truly stands out. Where he says "fuck this, we are winning" and he does all the things necessary from him to put Duke in a position to win. He hasn't had this yet and other than GT, hasnt come very close.
Hes still my top choice at QB.
Also, a Giants caliber o-line.
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Sadly, Duke provides Jonesy with more time honestly. Lol
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Giants have scouts at tonights Oregon-Arizona game; this is the fourth time the Giants have been on-hand for an Oregon game in addition to attending their practices.
Liking what I see from Finley. I need to make a point to watch more of him. Big, athletic, throws a nice ball.
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Giants have scouts at tonights Oregon-Arizona game; this is the fourth time the Giants have been on-hand for an Oregon game in addition to attending their practices.
Anak, I would love to annoint the kid our crown jewel of pissing away this year. I have said repeatedly that he has more talent than anybody in this year's AND last year's guys. Yes, more than Darnold. He just has been a manager at this point than a killer at QB.
If he shows up and does the Mariota/Wentz (I dont see that) thing many say about him, I know that I wont have to worry about underthrowing Beckham.
He needs to show more touch on deep balls. He also needs to be more patient in the pocket. Show me that and Im on board. He is quicker and has a stronger arm than Jones.
Not a good start at all. That was all on Herbert. Arizona is a team he should pad stats against.
Just saying.
Strong arm but all his passes float. Rarely see him throw a laser or a pass on a rope. Really unimpressed with his past two games.
And you don't want to be the team to pass on Dan Marino because you already had Marc Wilson. And speaking of the Raiders, they're another team that already has a young QB on a multi-year deal, but would be foolish not to be heavily scouting Herbert.
There are maybe only a handful of teams in the NFL who wouldn't have reason to be heavily scouting Herbert (i.e., the Packers, who won't be drafting in the top ten and for whom there is no logic in trading into the top ten to get him). Regardless of how management feels about Eli and Lauletta, it would be negligent not to be heavily scouting every QB that could be worthy of a top ten pick. And I would feel the same way if I were a fan of the Bills, Cardinals, Niners, and Raiders.
Im going to wait to see a few more weeks, but trading a 2nd for Carr might be the best move they might have.
Im going to wait to see a few more weeks, but trading a 2nd for Carr might be the best move they might have.
First, Herbert has not looked good tonight, but it is clear the ENTIRE Oregon team did not show up to begin with. And the last drive was much, much better.
Second, on what planet is trading an extremely high second round pick for Derek Carr - an overpriced QB himself - a smart thing for a rebuilding team? I have no idea what your obsession is with Carr, but I want no part of that guy.
Didn't seem to give a shit after he scored the conversion too. A grown up.
Certainly has interesting skills but looks more unrefined than refined. If Im him, I stay in school to get more reps and experience. If he comes out, like I expect he will because the money will be catnip, I dont touch him at #1. Im not even sure hes top ten material at this point. Hes been struggling to keep his completion % above 60%. Something is really off the last month...
Hell, Gardner Minshew looks like the best QB in the Pac12 right now.
Im sticking with Will Grier. Kid is more accurate and makes more plays. Hope his metrics check out come Combine time...
No fucking substance. No reasons why Herbert "looks bad" or anything substantive as to why "Jones is not my type." Nobody mentioning Finley's poop game or that Lock went 23-29 with 4 tuddies and no picks albeit against memphis. Everybody comes on here to comment and they dont even support their assertion with anything that can ne construed as a real argument.
This fucking place has become one perpetual gameday thread.
Certainly has interesting skills but looks more unrefined than refined. If Im him, I stay in school to get more reps and experience. If he comes out, like I expect he will because the money will be catnip, I dont touch him at #1. Im not even sure hes top ten material at this point. Hes been struggling to keep his completion % above 60%. Something is really off the last month...
Hell, Gardner Minshew looks like the best QB in the Pac12 right now.
Im sticking with Will Grier. Kid is more accurate and makes more plays. Hope his metrics check out come Combine time...
This is at least a stance. I disagree with it because honestly I think Herbert might be the 3rd or 4th QB taken next year as opposed to almost certainly being the 1st overall pick thise year, top 5 the least and you dont pass that up for "reps."
bw, I disagree with you a lot, but at least you brought it.
Sorry to rant, but the most interesting thing to talk about on this board is prospective successors to Eli amd people just say things withput actually believing what they say.
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At times I think this could be like the 2011 draft - too many QB reaches in round one. That year: Locker, Ponder, and Gabbert (after Newton).
I definitely like Herberts size and arm, especially the various ways he can deliver the ball, but hes been going the wrong way lately. Hope he bounces out of it.
Daniel Jones is far and away a better prospect than he is in my opinion. But Im really starting to warm to the idea of trading for Derek Carr.
At times I think this could be like the 2011 draft - too many QB reaches in round one. That year: Locker, Ponder, and Gabbert (after Newton).
I definitely like Herberts size and arm, especially the various ways he can deliver the ball, but hes been going the wrong way lately. Hope he bounces out of it.
Well, in tha5 regard I can SORTA understand your affinity for Grier. Whether he throws picks or not, the guy puts up HUGE numbers. I still dont want him anywhere near the Giants.
Like I said....maybe some swap of 1sts and other draft picks for Derek Carr... Say, their Bears first amd Cowboys first and Carr for our first, 2nd?
For me Jones is the only one who looks the part. He didnt have the close to the game we wanted but he is better than all the other guys.
Oregon's OC shoukd be fired. He is awful....or Herbert is not going thru progs...
Herbert DOES lock on to receivers. I am very quickly souring on him as a prospect in general. He pooks like Derek Anderson.
Very disappointing.
No fucking substance. No reasons why Herbert "looks bad" or anything substantive as to why "Jones is not my type." Nobody mentioning Finley's poop game or that Lock went 23-29 with 4 tuddies and no picks albeit against memphis. Everybody comes on here to comment and they dont even support their assertion with anything that can ne construed as a real argument.
This fucking place has become one perpetual gameday thread.
It's a Josh special
And neither of them may be there when time to pick. And mortgaging the farm to move up for either wouldnt be wise.
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Tua and Fromm are better prospects in my opinion.
And neither of them may be there when time to pick. And mortgaging the farm to move up for either wouldnt be wise.
Youre kidding, right? Fromm?
Nice college player. But hes at best a game manager.
There is nothing special about anything he does physically. Nothing. Hes 62, maybe 220, decent speed, medium arm, medium zip.
Intangibles? Sure. Heady kid, poised, and focused. But there needs to be a helluva lot more development on the physical side before Id even draft him in the first five rounds.
Herbert at times looks like he could step in immediately and be a franchise guy but he goes through prolonged stretches where he just doesnt look ready to enter the draft. Last night was a very very bad game for him. Not all to be end all but Arizona is quite poor on defense.
Grier is just overhyped at this point. Forces a ton of balls, very indecisive in the pocket. He is surrounded by top tier talent and plays shit defenses all year. He will make throws that will wow you... but I just dont see it with the kid.
Jones seems to be the prototypical QB you want. But this kid has basically came out of nowhere to now being regarded as a top QB. Is that more of his part or the part the other QBs are just play inconsistent?
The thing that sucks for the Giants is we need a QB in a draft where a franchise guy just might not be there.
Very disappointing.
Herbert had a terrible performance. There is no way around that. But there is no benefit to him staying in school, because that team's scheme is awful. He had a bad day, but that doesn't ruin the type of prospect I think he is. It certainly takes some of the shine off of the guy - and the Herbert Haters on here loved every second of it - but we'll have to see how he bounces back.
Three of his next four games are outdoors - Wake, ND, and BC. Those will be good tests, especially against ND, who has a terrific D.
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I have no reason to pull for Jones based on what I see. But Daniel Jones has looked far better than this.
Im going to wait to see a few more weeks, but trading a 2nd for Carr might be the best move they might have.
First, Herbert has not looked good tonight, but it is clear the ENTIRE Oregon team did not show up to begin with. And the last drive was much, much better.
Second, on what planet is trading an extremely high second round pick for Derek Carr - an overpriced QB himself - a smart thing for a rebuilding team? I have no idea what your obsession is with Carr, but I want no part of that guy.
This.
Age aside there's no difference in my mind between Eli and Carr, except at one point in time Eli actually got it done - so if the choice is Eli or Carr, I'd rather just keep Eli.
All those guys except for mayfield had downright awful games last year. You cant really go off of one game.
No, I never have been. Ive been all in on Grier. I think hes the best pocket passer and playmaker. I really enjoy his poise and command with that offense.
Now, I think Herbert likely has the best physical tools, but that barely fills half the equation in the pros. When you start to struggle with Pac12 defense, and they are very poor this year, something is off. Way off.
I like Grier and the Duke kid better, but I'm not really sure I like any of them.
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Herbert isnt as good as Mayfield, Darnold, and Rosen were at this point last year. And if thats the case, since DG didnt like any of those guys, he cant take Herbert. Grab one of the OTs, Oliver, Bosa, or the best guy from Clemsons DL and wait for Tua and Fromm.
All those guys except for mayfield had downright awful games last year. You cant really go off of one game.
It's not just last night for me. I've watched a bunch of Herbert this fall and I haven't been impressed by him one bit.
Herbert wasnt that impressive in the two prior games against Washington or Washington State. So Im not sure what you mean by all year.
No running back is ever worth selecting #2 and the Giants still did that. Barkley has been terrific, but still not anywhere near valuable enough.
I was thinking this yesterday. The ball shoots out of his hand - he's very accurate and he has good pocket presence.
I don't see many weaknesses at all.
Tua is the real deal, too. It sucks that this is happening this year and not next. But I think we'll still be awful next year anyway.
I just hope we don't take the wrong guy in the next draft and then have it cost us a shot at one of the other QB's down the road.
Tua or Lawrence would be a huge get for us - but we'll have to keep being this bad in order to have a chance at either. Which - is certainly not out of the question.
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Cristobal said WR Dillon Mitchell and QB Justin Herbert are in concussion protocol. TE Kano Dillon, DL Austin Faoliu and LB Kaulana Apelu expected back