Duke (Daniel Jones) at Pittsburgh - 3:30 PM on the Yes Network
Oregon (Justin Herbert) at Arizona - 10:30 PM on ESPN
This is my first time seeing Daniel Jones so let's see what he's all about.
Let's see if Herbert and the Oregon offense can rebound from last week's loss against Wazzu.
I like him, but right now, he's not worth a top 10 pick IMO. But it's early. I want to see more. I also acknowledge that it looks like his receivers drop too many passes. Saw him against UVA, GT, and part of Northwestern.
There is no defense in this game.
The Ben comparison is strictly in how he moves. There is a lot of similarities there. I'm talking about how he moves in the pocket, how he adjusts when protection breaks down and when he is asked to go outside.
I agree. This is my second game watching him. Once again I'm looking at the Clemson game before I really form an opinion. I like what I see and can see him being in the round 1 convo though. We'll see.
Yea, the Duke defense might as well have me playing DT.
Mini test for Jones. Let's see if he can lead a game winning drive.
Smart, big, mobile, has a plenty good arm and a head
You're welcome lol
Im not in love with the guy by any means. I DO think he throws a better long ball than Herbert. I DO think he gets rid of the ball quicker andmore accurately on the short throws. I DO think he is better built for the pro game and I think he is better coached.
He needs to make some plays now. Or at least put some players in spots to make them.
Im almost resigned to make an offer on trading for Carr so we can take BPA at this point because neither Jones nor Herbert have come up BIG
Def was. Not by TOO much. Lots of above avg pro receivers make that catch, but a poor pass to say the least.
Again, doesnt sway me either way, tho I would have loved to see him will a conversion out of that.
It wasnt WAY behind them....stop it. But a little disappointing none the less.
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Def was. Not by TOO much. Lots of above avg pro receivers make that catch, but a poor pass to say the least.
Again, doesnt sway me either way, tho I would have loved to see him will a conversion out of that.
Doesn't sway me either. It's just one throw.
Im not in love with the guy by any means. I DO think he throws a better long ball than Herbert. I DO think he gets rid of the ball quicker andmore accurately on the short throws. I DO think he is better built for the pro game and I think he is better coached.
He needs to make some plays now. Or at least put some players in spots to make them.
Im almost resigned to make an offer on trading for Carr so we can take BPA at this point because neither Jones nor Herbert have come up BIG
Carr trade would be a disaster. I’d rather suck another year
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And then the OC to turn Jones loose to see what hes got.
Im not in love with the guy by any means. I DO think he throws a better long ball than Herbert. I DO think he gets rid of the ball quicker andmore accurately on the short throws. I DO think he is better built for the pro game and I think he is better coached.
He needs to make some plays now. Or at least put some players in spots to make them.
Im almost resigned to make an offer on trading for Carr so we can take BPA at this point because neither Jones nor Herbert have come up BIG
Carr trade would be a disaster. I’d rather suck another year
Don't want Carr either.
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impact on what QB we invest in. It’s never going to work anyway if the OL doesn’t improve and that’s a completely separate process. Sure, more mobile will increase success but long term we need to improve the line even if we had a Mahomes (even though I think he’d be a massive upgrade and would make the line look better than it is).
I totally agree. But if you honestly dont think the Giants would sign the very best FAs and go OL round 2 and or 3, I think people are underestimating the resolve of this franchise. Mara definitely sees it, DG is known for it and Shurmur certainly sees it.
We 180'd this line in 04 didnt we? We signed Ohara, drafted Snee in 04. Drafted Diehl in 03. Signed Mac in 05.
Get the fucking QB.
Yeah I don’t doubt that. I’m just saying that they can’t ding a QB for not being mobile enough because of the current OLine. This isn’t the line that will get us to the playoffs, it needs and upgrade regardless. They also shouldnt want a mobile QB over prototype QB or pick they lesser player just because they can run better.
I don’t think that would happen but some posters seem to think the line and the QB are a package deal and they have to absolutely 100% be separate projects.
Of course, the Giants could trade down in round one, and then take Jones, but this would be an unusual move for Gettleman, given his history.
But Jones, while playing well, did not set himself apart from the pack this week. I also think that Clemson tears his head off when they play.
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But he has missed WRs on the last two drives. Same pass - slants - and thrown way behind them. Can't miss on those throws.
It wasnt WAY behind them....stop it. But a little disappointing none the less.
In any event, down the stretch there was one QB that threw passes to win the game...the Pitt QB.
But a couple errant throws do not define a QB, particularly in rainy conditions in an away game. I like him as a prospect, and he's certainly a first round QB prospect. But he's got to make those throws on a consistent basis to be successful.
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But he has missed WRs on the last two drives. Same pass - slants - and thrown way behind them. Can't miss on those throws.
It wasnt WAY behind them....stop it. But a little disappointing none the less.
In any event, down the stretch there was one QB that threw passes to win the game...the Pitt QB.
But a couple errant throws do not define a QB, particularly in rainy conditions in an away game. I like him as a prospect, and he's certainly a first round QB prospect. But he's got to make those throws on a consistent basis to be successful.
Come on, the kid from Pitt completed 3 passes in a be entire second half. What he did has nothing to do with any kind of Jones discussion. Pit ran for 9000 yards against Duke.
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But he has missed WRs on the last two drives. Same pass - slants - and thrown way behind them. Can't miss on those throws.
It wasnt WAY behind them....stop it. But a little disappointing none the less.
In any event, down the stretch there was one QB that threw passes to win the game...the Pitt QB.
But a couple errant throws do not define a QB, particularly in rainy conditions in an away game. I like him as a prospect, and he's certainly a first round QB prospect. But he's got to make those throws on a consistent basis to be successful.
Come on, the kid from Pitt completed 3 passes in a be entire second half. What he did has nothing to do with any kind of Jones discussion. Pit ran for 9000 yards against Duke.
I'm not suggesting the Pitt QB is worthy of anything. Only that Jones had two drives to go down and stick one in the end zone at the end of the game and threw slant passes behind his guys.
As I said, such is life. I was letting that disappointment cloud his performance the rest of the game. He played very well, I thought. Nice throws; could throw on the run. For those who suggest he has no mobility, I have no idea what they are seeing, as Duke calls Jones's number on a bunch of designed run plays. Jones is a quality QB who belongs in the Round 1 discussion.
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But he has missed WRs on the last two drives. Same pass - slants - and thrown way behind them. Can't miss on those throws.
It wasnt WAY behind them....stop it. But a little disappointing none the less.
In any event, down the stretch there was one QB that threw passes to win the game...the Pitt QB.
But a couple errant throws do not define a QB, particularly in rainy conditions in an away game. I like him as a prospect, and he's certainly a first round QB prospect. But he's got to make those throws on a consistent basis to be successful.
Come on, the kid from Pitt completed 3 passes in a be entire second half. What he did has nothing to do with any kind of Jones discussion. Pit ran for 9000 yards against Duke.
I'm not suggesting the Pitt QB is worthy of anything. Only that Jones had two drives to go down and stick one in the end zone at the end of the game and threw slant passes behind his guys.
As I said, such is life. I was letting that disappointment cloud his performance the rest of the game. He played very well, I thought. Nice throws; could throw on the run. For those who suggest he has no mobility, I have no idea what they are seeing, as Duke calls Jones's number on a bunch of designed run plays. Jones is a quality QB who belongs in the Round 1 discussion.
Thats fair. Totally. And yea, he looked ordinary. Butno worse than Herbert has. If he stays this course, he is mid to 1st. If we could trade down to like 9 and pick up a couple of day 2s that would be nice.
We're way early here, he could be a Day 3 guy when all is said and done. However, there isn't anything in his game that precludes him from going Top 5. He's got tools. Saying he's a reach there is extremely premature. We'll see how he plays the rest of the year, that will be a bigger indicator IMO. The loaded deck game is always a great test, I thought he played well last week vs. UVA without any help from his OL or WRs. If he does the same vs. Clemson in a Death Valley night game, he absolutely should be in that Top QB discussion.
We're way early here, he could be a Day 3 guy when all is said and done. However, there isn't anything in his game that precludes him from going Top 5. He's got tools. Saying he's a reach there is extremely premature. We'll see how he plays the rest of the year, that will be a bigger indicator IMO. The loaded deck game is always a great test, I thought he played well last week vs. UVA without any help from his OL or WRs. If he does the same vs. Clemson in a Death Valley night game, he absolutely should be in that Top QB discussion.
Exactly my thinking. He needs "that play", "that drive", "that game" where he truly stands out. Where he says "fuck this, we are winning" and he does all the things necessary from him to put Duke in a position to win. He hasn't had this yet and other than GT, hasnt come very close.
Hes still my top choice at QB.
Also, a Giants caliber o-line.
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Sadly, Duke provides Jonesy with more time honestly. Lol
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Giants have scouts at tonight’s Oregon-Arizona game; this is the fourth time the Giants have been on-hand for an Oregon game in addition to attending their practices.
Liking what I see from Finley. I need to make a point to watch more of him. Big, athletic, throws a nice ball.
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Giants have scouts at tonight’s Oregon-Arizona game; this is the fourth time the Giants have been on-hand for an Oregon game in addition to attending their practices.
Anak, I would love to annoint the kid our crown jewel of pissing away this year. I have said repeatedly that he has more talent than anybody in this year's AND last year's guys. Yes, more than Darnold. He just has been a manager at this point than a killer at QB.
If he shows up and does the Mariota/Wentz (I dont see that) thing many say about him, I know that I wont have to worry about underthrowing Beckham.
He needs to show more touch on deep balls. He also needs to be more patient in the pocket. Show me that and Im on board. He is quicker and has a stronger arm than Jones.
Not a good start at all. That was all on Herbert. Arizona is a team he should pad stats against.
Just saying.
Strong arm but all his passes float. Rarely see him throw a laser or a pass on a rope. Really unimpressed with his past two games.