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New York Giants 1970 Season...

M.S. : 10/27/2018 11:05 am
...the one that came crashing down on the very last game against the Rams.

The Giants started 0-3, but then won 9 out of their next 10 games and "all they had to do" was beat the Rams at home to make the playoffs for the first time since 1963.

But this isn't about that last game**, but the ignoble call in New Orleans earlier that season that robbed the Giants in Game Three. This play has haunted me for over four decades.

Check out the video starting at 2:30.

I always felt the referee confused the end zone green border (around the gold rectangle) as out-of-bounds, nullifying what was an obvious game-winning TD catch by Aaron Thomas!

If memory serves me right, the ref was fired the following week, but the damage had already been done.

That was a pretty damn good team, led by Tark and Ron Johnson, but they were exposed in the very last game.

**I have two vivid memories of that last Rams game sitting in the upper deck at Yankee Stadium: (1) The Giants driving down the field early on but settling for a FG (which we all thought was a bad omen); (2) Looking through my binoculars at Jerry Shay on the ground, his face beet red from the pain of a terrible leg injury.

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I was there.  
Big Blue '56 : 10/27/2018 11:07 am : link
Very disappointing. I think we were down 24-3 at the half. We went into the game at 9-4 in Webster’s 2nd year as HC.

A true bummer
I was seven  
George : 10/27/2018 11:11 am : link
And I remember the searing pain of watching that game (on a black and white TV) as a child, blissfully unaware of the portents of things to come that would shape my adolescent years as a fan in horrible, horrible ways.
this is before my time  
ray in arlington : 10/27/2018 11:12 am : link
so I'll put this question out there.

Why did the Giants trade a HOF quarterback?
RE: this is before my time  
M.S. : 10/27/2018 11:18 am : link
In comment 14151187 ray in arlington said:
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so I'll put this question out there.

Why did the Giants trade a HOF quarterback?


I believe Tark wanted out! GIants accomadated him.
Yes, Tarkenton was not happy and became disruptive  
Big Blue '56 : 10/27/2018 11:37 am : link
doing all he could to get the Giants to trade him which they did in ‘72
I remember  
NikkiMac : 10/27/2018 11:59 am : link
That game , what a letdown they put a 50 burger on us if I recollect.......
RE: I remember  
M.S. : 10/27/2018 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14151254 NikkiMac said:
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That game , what a letdown they put a 50 burger on us if I recollect.......

Final Score:
Rams 31
Giants 3

Huge let down to an otherwise very fine season!!!
one of my earliest Giants memories  
bluepepper : 10/27/2018 12:19 pm : link
listening eagerly on the radio. The Giants were gonna win and get in the playoffs! It was over practically before it started. What a letdown. I can only imagine my thoughts if I had known that this was the closest they would come to the playoffs for another 11 years.
The final loss  
steve in ky : 10/27/2018 12:35 pm : link
probably rates as one of my most disappointing as a fan
RE: Yes, Tarkenton was not happy and became disruptive  
HomerJones45 : 10/27/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14151222 Big Blue '56 said:
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doing all he could to get the Giants to trade him which they did in ‘72
Tarkenton had a half an idea as to how an organization should be run- the Giants weren’t it.

I don’t know why crazy stuff always happens to the Giants. They found a good middle linebacker in Jim Files who only played a year and then became a missionary. They had a great football player in acres Dryer who decided he really wanted to be a tv actor. Basically there went the defense.
RE: RE: Yes, Tarkenton was not happy and became disruptive  
Steve in South Jersey : 10/27/2018 12:40 pm : link
In comment 14151295 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 14151222 Big Blue '56 said:


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doing all he could to get the Giants to trade him which they did in ‘72

Tarkenton had a half an idea as to how an organization should be run- the Giants weren’t it.

I don’t know why crazy stuff always happens to the Giants. They found a good middle linebacker in Jim Files who only played a year and then became a missionary. They had a great football player in acres Dryer who decided he really wanted to be a tv actor. Basically there went the defense.


I think Jim Files retired early around that time to become a minister or something similar.
RE: RE: Yes, Tarkenton was not happy and became disruptive  
Gman11 : 10/27/2018 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14151295 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 14151222 Big Blue '56 said:They had a great football player in acres Dryer who decided he really wanted to be a tv actor. Basically there went the defense.


Fred Dryer only became an actor after a pretty good career with the Rams.
Jim Files  
JerseyCityJoe : 10/27/2018 12:53 pm : link
I thought he retired to become a concert pianist. No?
I remember that call in New Orleans  
Hammer : 10/27/2018 12:58 pm : link
Think it was a Monday night game.

I was pissed for years.

Bastard.
RE: Jim Files  
Steve in South Jersey : 10/27/2018 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14151316 JerseyCityJoe said:
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I thought he retired to become a concert pianist. No?


Found a link
Files Lost Faith in Football So, Former Oklahoma Star Entered the Ministry - ( New Window )
loved the video  
bluepepper : 10/27/2018 1:03 pm : link
one thing that surprised me was how involved the RB's were in the passing game - namely Ron Johnson and Tucker Frederickson. My understanding was always that guys like Chuck Foreman, Chuck Muncie and Terry Metcalf were pioneers in the RB as receiver but seems like it was pretty common before them.

The Aaron Thomas call (2:26 and 18:56) was a killer but worse was the loss to a lousy Eagles team in Philly (what a surprise!)

Also a reminder to folks - when you travel make sure you carry American Express Travelers Checks - way too many vacations are ruined by pickpockets.
RE: Jim Files  
Jim in Tampa : 10/27/2018 1:04 pm : link
In comment 14151316 JerseyCityJoe said:
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I thought he retired to become a concert pianist. No?

You may be thinking of Mike Reid, Bengals DT and former Penn ST player.
RE: I remember that call in New Orleans  
Steve in South Jersey : 10/27/2018 1:06 pm : link
In comment 14151321 Hammer said:
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Think it was a Monday night game.

I was pissed for years.

Bastard.


ref blew the call and cost the Giants a win. The Ram game would not have mattered if the ref had go the TD call right.
Was at the home Philly game  
shyster : 10/27/2018 1:22 pm : link
that starts at 4:12, not yet a teen.

Recall the bleachers rising as one when Ron Johnson broke loose for TD.

Tried to get into the Rams game but could not. Outside the stadium when the cheer went up for the FG on the opening drive.

There were no more cheers that day; and not a lot for the next decade.
It s amazing  
joeinpa : 10/27/2018 1:36 pm : link
But first thing I thought of when I saw the tigleyif your post was that play.

But there was not really a play off spot at stake. The NFL had instituted and Runner up Bowl that season. The winner of that game was done for the season. It was another game as a prelude to the Super Bowl.

Pretty sure I m right about this, did not google, going from memory. Apologize if I m wrong, but don't think I am
Funny watching ..  
Bluesbreaker : 10/27/2018 1:40 pm : link
Remember Fredrickson coming out party
many of those Giants had ties to the last playoff team
Aging Joe Morrison Aaron Thomas Greg Larson Files was a pleasant surprise Dryer ended up on the Rams I think but
Ron Johnson as one tough cookie Bob Tucker small college
player mad the most of his Talents McNeil from Cleveland
was our long ball threat. Duhon from Tulane we were no
match for the rams lucky we scored .
There would be like 3 personal fouls on every play in todays game .
Now I m confused  
joeinpa : 10/27/2018 1:44 pm : link
There were play offs in 1970,

But I distinctly remember a runner up Bowl
If the Giants had won they would have won the division  
steve in ky : 10/27/2018 1:50 pm : link
and made the playoffs. Even with a Cowboys win and a tied record they Giants had the better inter-division record.
Yea I m confused  
joeinpa : 10/27/2018 1:52 pm : link
There was a Play Off Bowl for 3 re place in the NFL, but I think that ended in 1969
the good days back then...  
BCD : 10/27/2018 2:10 pm : link
I was about 12 but loved my Giants ...still do...remember going to Camp at Yale and talking to Spider who appeared to have had a rough night....brother still picks at me saying, your favorite player is a drunk.
RE: this is before my time  
jonnyess : 10/27/2018 2:18 pm : link
In comment 14151187 ray in arlington said:
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so I'll put this question out there.

Why did the Giants trade a HOF quarterback?


I always thought he was a bit of a "compiler" but think Tark wanted to prove himself with a contender, while the Giants realized he just wasn't gonna get them to the promised land.

His subsequent stint with some very talented Vikings teams kinda speaks for itself. His SB performances were especially epically bad. Epic.
Yeah, I probably am  
JerseyCityJoe : 10/27/2018 2:40 pm : link
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RE: Jim Files
Jim in Tampa : 1:04 pm : link : reply
In comment 14151316 JerseyCityJoe said:
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I thought he retired to become a concert pianist. No?

You may be thinking of Mike Reid, Bengals DT and former Penn ST player.


I'm at that age where I blend more and more of my memories together.
Without looking I can name more players on that 1970 team  
aquidneck : 10/27/2018 2:49 pm : link
than on the current roster.

Ron Johnson, Jim Kanicki and Wayne Meylan (cut in training camp) were the return in the Homer Jones trade.

Bob Lurtsema was picked up after being cut by Baltimore (Colts). Jerry Shay(sp?) came from the Falcons. Like Files, Dryer was a former 1st round DC. Veterans Ralph Heck (ex of the Packers) and the 38ish year old Matt Hazeltine (49ers) played on either side of Files. Willie Williams and Scott Eaton were the CBs. Spider Lockhart and Bruce Mahar (from Lions) were the safties.

Well, that's pretty much the whole defense.

RE: Without looking I can name more players on that 1970 team  
M.S. : 10/27/2018 3:29 pm : link
In comment 14151399 aquidneck said:
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than on the current roster.

Ron Johnson, Jim Kanicki and Wayne Meylan (cut in training camp) were the return in the Homer Jones trade.

Bob Lurtsema was picked up after being cut by Baltimore (Colts). Jerry Shay(sp?) came from the Falcons. Like Files, Dryer was a former 1st round DC. Veterans Ralph Heck (ex of the Packers) and the 38ish year old Matt Hazeltine (49ers) played on either side of Files. Willie Williams and Scott Eaton were the CBs. Spider Lockhart and Bruce Mahar (from Lions) were the safties.

Well, that's pretty much the whole defense.


That's pretty good!

Sure wish the current roster wasn't so forgettable! And so unlikable!
some other players from that team  
yalebowl : 10/27/2018 3:29 pm : link
WR Don Herrmann, RG Doug Van Horn, PK Pete Gogolak, Backup QB Dick Shiner.

Jim Kanicki DT was the player that the Giants wanted in the trade with Cleveland for Homer Jones. The Browns threw in Ron Johnson to seal the deal.
I Was  
noro9 : 10/27/2018 3:32 pm : link
At this game. Norm Snead quarterback. Broke my young heart.
RE: RE: RE: Yes, Tarkenton was not happy and became disruptive  
GeofromNJ : 10/27/2018 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14151307 Gman11 said:
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In comment 14151295 HomerJones45 said:


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In comment 14151222 Big Blue '56 said:They had a great football player in acres Dryer who decided he really wanted to be a tv actor. Basically there went the defense.



Fred Dryer only became an actor after a pretty good career with the Rams.

Dryer never liked NYC. He was quoted as saying "I'm a horizontal person, not a vertical person", meaning that he hated skyscrapers and preferred the expansive real estate of the LA area.
One of my favorite  
LS : 10/27/2018 4:43 pm : link
seasons as a young Giants fan.
RE: I Was  
Gman11 : 10/27/2018 5:24 pm : link
In comment 14151425 noro9 said:
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At this game. Norm Snead quarterback. Broke my young heart.


Not the 1970 game. Tarkenton was traded for Snead. Beside, look at the video.
I was at that game too...  
kinard : 10/27/2018 5:54 pm : link
... I was only 8 years old so I didn't realize how big a game it was. I went with my dad and his buddies and just remember how bumming they all were after the game.

Kind of like me every Sunday these days...
Tarkenton was traded to the Vikings after the 71 season for  
Steve in South Jersey : 10/27/2018 6:16 pm : link
QB Norm Snead, WR Bob Grim, FB Vince Clements, and the first draft pick for 1972 as well as the second-round choice for ‘73
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And Snead  
Gman11 : 10/27/2018 8:16 pm : link
led the Giants to an 8-6 record in his first year.

I hadn't realized it before, but Snead only had 2 years with a winning record as QB. 1971 he was 2-0 with Minnesota and 1972 he was 8-5 with the Giants. Of course, he was on some gosh awful Eagles teams.
RE: And Snead  
aquidneck : 10/27/2018 9:08 pm : link
In comment 14151666 Gman11 said:
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led the Giants to an 8-6 record in his first year.

I hadn't realized it before, but Snead only had 2 years with a winning record as QB. 1971 he was 2-0 with Minnesota and 1972 he was 8-5 with the Giants. Of course, he was on some gosh awful Eagles teams.


Before the Eagles Snead played for the Redskins. Snead was traded even up for Sonny Jorgensen who went from Philly to Washington.
I was there also  
Marty866b : 10/27/2018 9:54 pm : link
Sitting in the upper deck. So excited that if the Giants won that last game they would have had a home playoff game the next week. It was a tremendous disappointment.
RE: I was there also  
M.S. : 10/28/2018 4:14 am : link
In comment 14151719 Marty866b said:
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Sitting in the upper deck. So excited that if the Giants won that last game they would have had a home playoff game the next week. It was a tremendous disappointment.

Upper deck, too, along first baseline not far from right field foul pole. Really nice seats that had an oblique birds eye view of the field from around the 25 yard line.
If all you guys were at the game,  
Big Blue '56 : 10/28/2018 7:13 am : link
why TF didn’t we get together?
Love  
BIG FRED 1973 : 10/28/2018 8:28 am : link
stories from the 70's ..My first game was 1978 vs San Fran .How was it getting to games for guys when they played at the Yale bowl in 73 and 74 ? My dad said it was a pain in the ass .How about the snow game there in 73 ? Did anyone go ?
RE: If all you guys were at the game,  
M.S. : 10/28/2018 8:42 am : link
In comment 14151835 Big Blue '56 said:
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why TF didn’t we get together?


Been asking the same question! {:-)
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