but with time, really not bad. Sadly, rarely time.
Gettleman made a few moves I questioned. But overall, isn't what I'd consider a disappointment. Not a targeted one.
I think it's Shurmur for me. I thought he'd be a better leader, and I've seen to notches in the armor. His handling of the media started our great and has fizzled. And there have been enough in-game head-scratchers to make me become a head-shaker far too often.
Shurmur, by a decent margin.
I'm always hopeful, though. Even if I'm nervously so with him.
but we should have expected this outcome from the beginning. With Gettleman, it looks as if he hit on most of the draft picks. The Free agents have been busts, but can you turn around a roster this deprived in talent and lack of cap space in one year?
With Shurmur, the time outs and play calling as been suspect, but again, he is identifying weak areas (OL) and making changes. The OL hasn't been blocking well enough for us as fans to determine if the play calling is bad because the routes are not developing.
And Eli, its sad to see. I understand the offensive line is terrible, and couldn't be fixed in one year. But with the weapons he has, there have been times were he flat out missed some reads and throws. Like O'Hara said the OL being so bad it has traumatized him. Its disappointing, but it happens. Giving him another shot at a run was the right thing to do, but the outcome is disappointing.
There is plenty of blame to go around, but I don't think it can be put solely on one person.
Eli is who Eli is. Vastly overrated by some and vastly underrated by some. His line has pretty much damned him. But with this team he has to be almost perfect in order for the Giants to win and aside from 2011 and two Super Bowls runs, Eli has never been almost perfect.
Unlike most, I'm giving a pass to Shurmur this year. Yes clock management has not been good, but the last two coaches mismanaged it too. Play calling has been mediocre.
I guess Gettleman missing on Stewart and Omameh is the most annoying and Solder has been a disappointment.
I was not a fan of either hires
Gettleman and Shurmer.
They both were more of the same and it has played out.
The organization had the opportunity to change the course and chose not to.
Gettleman is a good scout and can pick draft talent but is a mess when it comes to running an organization and let's his ego get in the way of decisions.
Shurmer is a coordinator nothing more and not a creative one.
I thought Shurmur was a creative coach that got more out of his QBs than his peers. I know the OL blows and Eli is a statue, but the Giants have some amazing skill players. I don’t see any imagination.
Gettleman. Wow. He really whiffed this offseason like down one, bases loaded, bottom of the 9th, game seven of the World Series whiff. The only reason Shurmur is ahead of DG is expectations. I had more for Shurmur.
With an average OL Eli would be making more plays. He is shell shocked. I get frustrated when he makes a gaffe on one of the rare chances when he is not pressured, but he has to be seeing ghosts.
Eli has been become shell shocked due to his bad oline which was Reeces fault not his. He is done. Time to retire.
Gettleman has done a mixed job. He had a great first draft but his FA signings have been bad. I was a fan of Solder, even though he was overpaid, I thought you have to get a solid leader on this oline. He has been bad. Give him a chance a rebuild takes a few years.
Shurmur's play calling and getting his team to play better especially in the red zone has been terrible. He deserves another year with better oline to work with.
I'm wondering if an off season firing is in line for the OL coach. So, I blame Pat for this guy as it seems he is not up to the job. Am I wrong? If not, who should they target as OL coach in off season?
There's just a preponderance of evidence that he's been thrashing about.
I like the guy but he has to get a hold (and perhaps fire) of his scouting department and professional talent evaluation departments.
Remember that almost all of the sub-issues being listed here are because of Dave Gettleman and John Mara.
If you're disappointed in Nate Solder, well.. who decided he was worth that contract?
If you're disappointed in Pat Shurmur, well.. who decided he was the right coach to hire?
If you're disappointed in Eli Manning, well... who decided he still had "years left" ?
It always starts at the top.
You can always blame management when it comes to a shifty toster. But sometimes players have to go do their jobs. Nate Solder was never a the best tackle in the league. But he is sure ain’t one of the worst. But he is playing like it.
And a lot of this shit roster is because of Reese and Ross as well.
Remember that almost all of the sub-issues being listed here are because of Dave Gettleman and John Mara.
If you're disappointed in Nate Solder, well.. who decided he was worth that contract?
If you're disappointed in Pat Shurmur, well.. who decided he was the right coach to hire?
If you're disappointed in Eli Manning, well... who decided he still had "years left" ?
It always starts at the top.
You can always blame management when it comes to a shifty toster. But sometimes players have to go do their jobs. Nate Solder was never a the best tackle in the league. But he is sure ain’t one of the worst. But he is playing like it.
And a lot of this shit roster is because of Reese and Ross as well.
Who hired the position coaches responsible for getting more out of guys like Nate Solder and who are coaching them on a daily basis?
Gettleman tried to make us competetive in one year, which turned out to be impossible. But you've got to give the GM more than one year to right the course.
Shurmur has been suspect in his playcalling, but some of that can be blamed on his OL and immobile QB. Might also need an actual OC to call the game in progress. I think he looks and smells the part though. Gotta give him more than one year to settle in.
Eli is done. The game has passed him by. He's mentally not able to function behind this OL and he's too old to be part of the rebuilding process. In a couple of years when hopefully we're competative again, Eli should be well entrenched in his next profession and we have our next franchise QB at the helm.
but if I had to pick one it would be Shurmur. I thought he would be able to design an offense that could function despite the lousy OL. Bzzzzzz. Wrong! They can't even function.
I do think Gettleman has done a poor job, but I think that's less on Gettleman and more on the organization he was dropped into. I think they were looking to preserve status quo (not just Eli, but their scouting methods, their FO staff, etc.), and Gettleman represents a continuation of an organization that was flailing.
Shurmur's up next - I'm not seeing anything out of the coaching staff. Nobody has picked up their game, no playcalling that could be considered innovative or different. He came in with a lousy record and he's picking up right where he left off.
He's just not good at football anymore. It's not his fault. You just can't beat the aging process.
Gettleman on the other hand, can't make himself any smarter, but he could make himself less arrogant. He could learn that running the ball and stopping the run are not the two most important things when building a winning team. It's proven, he just has to read it. He could use data and technology to his advantage rather than mocking people who use computers. He could have watched more than one giants game before interviewing to be gm of the giants.
He could hire someone who would tell him that signing stewart was dumb. He probably could not have foreseen that solder would be so terrible but he still owns that deal. He could have assessed where the team was more accurately (perhaps watching their games would have helped)
Shurmur is mediocre, disposable, and forgettable. He should be fired so we can find a higher upside coach, but I don't think he's the reason we suck right now.
Have trouble being disappointed with any of them Â
Gettleman is turning over an awful roster. It’s clear Marc Ross was horrid. I’m not sure why he was allowed to remain in a position of influence for so long. One of the first things Gettleman did was fire Ross and systematically get rid of many of Reese’s poor draft picks. It’s hard to compete while this roster is on the operating table, so to speak.
Shurmur is doing the best he can right now. I like that he’s constantly changing things up and giving the young guys a chance to prove they belong. I think with better talent and more seasons of being able to pick his guys, he’ll be a better HC.
Eli entered into an impossible situation and his inherent optimism hurt him this year. People said he had no more excuses this year with all his weapons, but really, the Oline is still a mess and his weapons have been as inconsistent as he has been. I’m saddened by this ending for him because many have simply decided it’s his turn to fall on the sword. But not disappointed with any of them. Sympathetic and immensely impatient? Yes.
Only one to be disappointed about that set us back years with poor drafting. Top 10ish overall picks like Flowers and Apple been a complete waste which we could of used
that you did not put John Mara as a choice because he’s be the runaway pick, but I would have to say
1.). Gettleman
I notice he turned the roster over but it seemed to be an attempt to have your cake and eat it too type of approach and it’s still not clear to me what the philosophy is, what the team building. He’s turning 67 soon. The GM jobs now in all sports are very time consuming and intensive in terms of management, analytics, etc. I question Gettlemans ability to really get the job done due to a number of factors related to age, health, and too much familiarity and deference to the Maras in terms of organizational approaches.
His high-falutin attitude and bluster earned him this slot. His FA picks were all failures. His draft class can’t be judged for a few years. If Carter and Hernandez don’t develop as key guys and Lauletta doesn’t materialize this draft will be a failure regardless of how good Barkley is. This offseason is pivotal to determining direction and build up for the franchise.
2.). Eli
I am sorry but for the enormous sum of money Eli has made last year and this year he has failed to raise his game when the team needed him to. It’s not all his fault but his limitations and decline has become very very noticeable and he’s vastly overpaid to what he now brings to the table. He’s become enigmatic in being able to make throws even when he has time. I do think he has shell shock now which is a shame but no other team in the NFL wants him as a starter. He turns 38 in January. It’s time to ride off into retirement.
3.) Shurmur
One could argue for a higher slot but it’s also clear to me he’s been saddled with some players and limited flexibility thus far in implementing his program. His hire of Hal Hunter as OL coach was curious and questionable. His ability as a HC to me is still in doubt. His bread and butter is supposedly OL and helping tailor offenses to his QB and WR talent. Both have been unmitigated disasters so far.
Would not shock me at all if he’s a guy who isn’t the HC when this thing finally turns it around. I think he gets 3 years before being judged.
(1) His free agency pick-ups (Solder, Stewert; Omameh; Latimer);
(2) His dumping lots of players after final cut-down day, which IMO impacted the locker room;
(3) His getting rid of so many players from the old regime;
(4) His surrendering a 3rd Rounder, which will be the 65th or 66th pick in 2019, for a guy with an injury history who then gets injured on his first day of practice;
(5) While Saquon Barkley is a fantastic player in so many ways, Gettleman's choice should have been QB IMO, or trade down and get more premium picks.
It may turn out that Gettleman's best pick-up (not from the Draft) will be Quadree Henderson... I think this guy is an electric returner.
and the ownership selected him. He is a relic, and this organization continues to be stuck in the past. There is a reason why we continue to struggle on all sides of LOS and select areas and if we are not careful this club will be labeled an elephant graveyard for coaches. It all starts with poor drafting, player evaluations, cronies, and over paying players. We should study Andy Reid and the Eagles and some other clubs, and start getting rid of guys that much sooner. The best move I have seen them make recently is trading Harrison. An early indicator of knowing that a product has high mileage/wear and knowing they have drafted guys within the typical process and are now producing. A big fear is Gettleman age, health, etc. I might be a good idea to make some decisions about how the team feels about Shurmur as well. We are so bad right now that they could essentially do a reboot of the whole thing and start rebuilding through draft.
RE: Have trouble being disappointed with any of them Â
Gettleman is turning over an awful roster. It’s clear Marc Ross was horrid. I’m not sure why he was allowed to remain in a position of influence for so long. One of the first things Gettleman did was fire Ross and systematically get rid of many of Reese’s poor draft picks. It’s hard to compete while this roster is on the operating table, so to speak.
Shurmur is doing the best he can right now. I like that he’s constantly changing things up and giving the young guys a chance to prove they belong. I think with better talent and more seasons of being able to pick his guys, he’ll be a better HC.
Eli entered into an impossible situation and his inherent optimism hurt him this year. People said he had no more excuses this year with all his weapons, but really, the Oline is still a mess and his weapons have been as inconsistent as he has been. I’m saddened by this ending for him because many have simply decided it’s his turn to fall on the sword. But not disappointed with any of them. Sympathetic and immensely impatient? Yes.
He did a great job in Carolina building up their offensive line but has failed so far here. Hernandez will be a fixture here but Solder and Omameh were very bad signings.
(1) His free agency pick-ups (Solder, Stewert; Omameh; Latimer);
(2) His dumping lots of players after final cut-down day, which IMO impacted the locker room;
(3) His getting rid of so many players from the old regime;
(4) His surrendering a 3rd Rounder, which will be the 65th or 66th pick in 2019, for a guy with an injury history who then gets injured on his first day of practice;
(5) While Saquon Barkley is a fantastic player in so many ways, Gettleman's choice should have been QB IMO, or trade down and get more premium picks.
It may turn out that Gettleman's best pick-up (not from the Draft) will be Quadree Henderson... I think this guy is an electric returner.
A bad GM hire that is no reacting to poor execution on his part. They should use this bad season to dump him and Shurmur and reboot this mother with some innovative young guys around a new QB.
I thought he had enough left. He doesn't. And it's not his fault, it is what it is.
Cant go with Gettlemen. In your first year on a job, your mistakes will show themselves immediately and your successes usually take a little longer to shine.
I don't think we know exactly yet what Shumer's system can produce due to this shitshow of a season, which I think he's handled as well as anyone can.
was what I thought he would be, skiddish behind a less than
adequate OL. But I think my bigger disappointment has been Schurmer. I really thought better coaching could get us past some of the obvious shortcomings. Play calling, clock management, player under-utilization, the two point conversion call??? etc, etc
I still don't even understand why Shurmur was hired. Gettleman walked in talking about a return to smash mouth Giants football and then a month later hired a guy who runs something entirely different. A guy who was influenced by some of the same coaches who influenced McAdoo. I don't understand the point of this.
I'll say Gettleman because his usage of resources has been terrible. His free agent signings and trades are about as bad as they can be. There are some moves he has made that I actually think downgraded the team even further.
I want to say Gettleman in the hiring of Shurmur
It feel's McHandley all over again .
Only question one pick in the draft that being Lauletta
I though O-line should have been the choice since we have
no depth. Nobody foresaw Soldier playing this poorly or
even Omameh being as bad as he has been .
With a decent Oline I doubt Eli would be in the conversation
Then there is Shurmur very uninspiring choice . Also the choice to switch the defense to 3-4 when we have not much
in the way of linebackers but I liked the Ogletree . The next draft and season shold tell us a bit more on DG I don't have much faith in Shurmur period ..If they continue to play poorly in pre-season and falter early next season he should be replaced .
Of the trio listed to choose from, Shurmur. I am disappointed in some of his coaching hires and the overall performance of his team, particularly the offense.
I knew Eli was going to be terrible. He's been moving towards this point for years. He stinks.
Gettleman? How can you be disappointed? This roster was fucking terrible. Terrible. What options did he have in this offseason to make this line better? Did you want Hart and Flowers to start again? You lost out on your #1 target in Norwell. So you go after Solder. His tape isn't bad, and it's definitely no where near what he is showing this year.
You want to nail him for Omameh, Latimer and Stewart? Eh. Go for it, but those are all small time signings in the long run.
I liked his draft. Solid solid draft. And any man who fires Ross is a man that gets some latitude.
You know what I love the best? Getting rid of trash and not trying to save it. Clear and decisive. I like how we don't have players on scholarship and and not afraid to change. THATS real front office leadership.
To those that think he could have changed things around in year 1 are imbeciles. Did you really buy into his speeches of competing? Please. Might as well tell fans not to buy tickets.
As for Shurmer? Some of his staff was questionable and some of his time management is questionable so if I had to pick one, I'd say Shurmer. But not that much of disappointment due to the shit show he walked in on. The whole roster is changing week to week.
Brought in three players for offensive line. Two have played poorly. Relied on Flowers to play right tackle spot.Gave up a draft choices for a punter and a middle linebacker with a bloated contract.Terrible performance.
Eli is not a disappointment. A good player on a poor team.
from the disdain of analytics, to apparently not bothering to listen to potential trades for #2, to trading assets for a punter, to giving jonathan stewart guaranteed money, to thinking this team was anywhere close to winning it seems pretty clear to me he is a moron who has no idea who to build a team in this erat
Gettleman made a few moves I questioned. But overall, isn't what I'd consider a disappointment. Not a targeted one.
I think it's Shurmur for me. I thought he'd be a better leader, and I've seen to notches in the armor. His handling of the media started our great and has fizzled. And there have been enough in-game head-scratchers to make me become a head-shaker far too often.
Shurmur, by a decent margin.
I'm always hopeful, though. Even if I'm nervously so with him.
With Shurmur, the time outs and play calling as been suspect, but again, he is identifying weak areas (OL) and making changes. The OL hasn't been blocking well enough for us as fans to determine if the play calling is bad because the routes are not developing.
And Eli, its sad to see. I understand the offensive line is terrible, and couldn't be fixed in one year. But with the weapons he has, there have been times were he flat out missed some reads and throws. Like O'Hara said the OL being so bad it has traumatized him. Its disappointing, but it happens. Giving him another shot at a run was the right thing to do, but the outcome is disappointing.
There is plenty of blame to go around, but I don't think it can be put solely on one person.
Eli is who Eli is. Vastly overrated by some and vastly underrated by some. His line has pretty much damned him. But with this team he has to be almost perfect in order for the Giants to win and aside from 2011 and two Super Bowls runs, Eli has never been almost perfect.
Unlike most, I'm giving a pass to Shurmur this year. Yes clock management has not been good, but the last two coaches mismanaged it too. Play calling has been mediocre.
I guess Gettleman missing on Stewart and Omameh is the most annoying and Solder has been a disappointment.
Gettleman and Shurmer.
They both were more of the same and it has played out.
The organization had the opportunity to change the course and chose not to.
Gettleman is a good scout and can pick draft talent but is a mess when it comes to running an organization and let's his ego get in the way of decisions.
Shurmer is a coordinator nothing more and not a creative one.
For all the "hog mollie" talk and hoopla about fixing the OL, he's actually managed to have a WORSE offensive line here than the one we had before.
Almost hard to do.
His draft looks pretty good - but his FA signings were horrendous. Both offensive linemen have been major busts and Stewart never made any sense.
He's going to have to do a lot better than this to fix the Giants.
Gettleman. Wow. He really whiffed this offseason like down one, bases loaded, bottom of the 9th, game seven of the World Series whiff. The only reason Shurmur is ahead of DG is expectations. I had more for Shurmur.
With an average OL Eli would be making more plays. He is shell shocked. I get frustrated when he makes a gaffe on one of the rare chances when he is not pressured, but he has to be seeing ghosts.
Highest paid tackle in the league and playing worse than Ereck Flowers.
Gettleman has done a mixed job. He had a great first draft but his FA signings have been bad. I was a fan of Solder, even though he was overpaid, I thought you have to get a solid leader on this oline. He has been bad. Give him a chance a rebuild takes a few years.
Shurmur's play calling and getting his team to play better especially in the red zone has been terrible. He deserves another year with better oline to work with.
I like the guy but he has to get a hold (and perhaps fire) of his scouting department and professional talent evaluation departments.
If you're disappointed in Nate Solder, well.. who decided he was worth that contract?
If you're disappointed in Pat Shurmur, well.. who decided he was the right coach to hire?
If you're disappointed in Eli Manning, well... who decided he still had "years left" ?
It always starts at the top.
If you're disappointed in Nate Solder, well.. who decided he was worth that contract?
If you're disappointed in Pat Shurmur, well.. who decided he was the right coach to hire?
If you're disappointed in Eli Manning, well... who decided he still had "years left" ?
It always starts at the top.
You can always blame management when it comes to a shifty toster. But sometimes players have to go do their jobs. Nate Solder was never a the best tackle in the league. But he is sure ain’t one of the worst. But he is playing like it.
And a lot of this shit roster is because of Reese and Ross as well.
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Remember that almost all of the sub-issues being listed here are because of Dave Gettleman and John Mara.
If you're disappointed in Nate Solder, well.. who decided he was worth that contract?
If you're disappointed in Pat Shurmur, well.. who decided he was the right coach to hire?
If you're disappointed in Eli Manning, well... who decided he still had "years left" ?
It always starts at the top.
You can always blame management when it comes to a shifty toster. But sometimes players have to go do their jobs. Nate Solder was never a the best tackle in the league. But he is sure ain’t one of the worst. But he is playing like it.
And a lot of this shit roster is because of Reese and Ross as well.
Who hired the position coaches responsible for getting more out of guys like Nate Solder and who are coaching them on a daily basis?
The blocking from the interior line and RBs is the worst part of our current pass game. Eli has no pocket to step up into.
Gettleman tried to make us competetive in one year, which turned out to be impossible. But you've got to give the GM more than one year to right the course.
Shurmur has been suspect in his playcalling, but some of that can be blamed on his OL and immobile QB. Might also need an actual OC to call the game in progress. I think he looks and smells the part though. Gotta give him more than one year to settle in.
Eli is done. The game has passed him by. He's mentally not able to function behind this OL and he's too old to be part of the rebuilding process. In a couple of years when hopefully we're competative again, Eli should be well entrenched in his next profession and we have our next franchise QB at the helm.
So in order:
1. Eli
2. Shurmur
3. Gettleman
Shurmur's up next - I'm not seeing anything out of the coaching staff. Nobody has picked up their game, no playcalling that could be considered innovative or different. He came in with a lousy record and he's picking up right where he left off.
Gettleman on the other hand, can't make himself any smarter, but he could make himself less arrogant. He could learn that running the ball and stopping the run are not the two most important things when building a winning team. It's proven, he just has to read it. He could use data and technology to his advantage rather than mocking people who use computers. He could have watched more than one giants game before interviewing to be gm of the giants.
He could hire someone who would tell him that signing stewart was dumb. He probably could not have foreseen that solder would be so terrible but he still owns that deal. He could have assessed where the team was more accurately (perhaps watching their games would have helped)
Shurmur is mediocre, disposable, and forgettable. He should be fired so we can find a higher upside coach, but I don't think he's the reason we suck right now.
Shurmur is doing the best he can right now. I like that he’s constantly changing things up and giving the young guys a chance to prove they belong. I think with better talent and more seasons of being able to pick his guys, he’ll be a better HC.
Eli entered into an impossible situation and his inherent optimism hurt him this year. People said he had no more excuses this year with all his weapons, but really, the Oline is still a mess and his weapons have been as inconsistent as he has been. I’m saddened by this ending for him because many have simply decided it’s his turn to fall on the sword. But not disappointed with any of them. Sympathetic and immensely impatient? Yes.
1.). Gettleman
I notice he turned the roster over but it seemed to be an attempt to have your cake and eat it too type of approach and it’s still not clear to me what the philosophy is, what the team building. He’s turning 67 soon. The GM jobs now in all sports are very time consuming and intensive in terms of management, analytics, etc. I question Gettlemans ability to really get the job done due to a number of factors related to age, health, and too much familiarity and deference to the Maras in terms of organizational approaches.
His high-falutin attitude and bluster earned him this slot. His FA picks were all failures. His draft class can’t be judged for a few years. If Carter and Hernandez don’t develop as key guys and Lauletta doesn’t materialize this draft will be a failure regardless of how good Barkley is. This offseason is pivotal to determining direction and build up for the franchise.
2.). Eli
I am sorry but for the enormous sum of money Eli has made last year and this year he has failed to raise his game when the team needed him to. It’s not all his fault but his limitations and decline has become very very noticeable and he’s vastly overpaid to what he now brings to the table. He’s become enigmatic in being able to make throws even when he has time. I do think he has shell shock now which is a shame but no other team in the NFL wants him as a starter. He turns 38 in January. It’s time to ride off into retirement.
3.) Shurmur
One could argue for a higher slot but it’s also clear to me he’s been saddled with some players and limited flexibility thus far in implementing his program. His hire of Hal Hunter as OL coach was curious and questionable. His ability as a HC to me is still in doubt. His bread and butter is supposedly OL and helping tailor offenses to his QB and WR talent. Both have been unmitigated disasters so far.
Would not shock me at all if he’s a guy who isn’t the HC when this thing finally turns it around. I think he gets 3 years before being judged.
I didn't like:
(1) His free agency pick-ups (Solder, Stewert; Omameh; Latimer);
(2) His dumping lots of players after final cut-down day, which IMO impacted the locker room;
(3) His getting rid of so many players from the old regime;
(4) His surrendering a 3rd Rounder, which will be the 65th or 66th pick in 2019, for a guy with an injury history who then gets injured on his first day of practice;
(5) While Saquon Barkley is a fantastic player in so many ways, Gettleman's choice should have been QB IMO, or trade down and get more premium picks.
It may turn out that Gettleman's best pick-up (not from the Draft) will be Quadree Henderson... I think this guy is an electric returner.
Shurmur is doing the best he can right now. I like that he’s constantly changing things up and giving the young guys a chance to prove they belong. I think with better talent and more seasons of being able to pick his guys, he’ll be a better HC.
Eli entered into an impossible situation and his inherent optimism hurt him this year. People said he had no more excuses this year with all his weapons, but really, the Oline is still a mess and his weapons have been as inconsistent as he has been. I’m saddened by this ending for him because many have simply decided it’s his turn to fall on the sword. But not disappointed with any of them. Sympathetic and immensely impatient? Yes.
My thoughts exactly!
I didn't like:
(1) His free agency pick-ups (Solder, Stewert; Omameh; Latimer);
(2) His dumping lots of players after final cut-down day, which IMO impacted the locker room;
(3) His getting rid of so many players from the old regime;
(4) His surrendering a 3rd Rounder, which will be the 65th or 66th pick in 2019, for a guy with an injury history who then gets injured on his first day of practice;
(5) While Saquon Barkley is a fantastic player in so many ways, Gettleman's choice should have been QB IMO, or trade down and get more premium picks.
It may turn out that Gettleman's best pick-up (not from the Draft) will be Quadree Henderson... I think this guy is an electric returner.
A bad GM hire that is no reacting to poor execution on his part. They should use this bad season to dump him and Shurmur and reboot this mother with some innovative young guys around a new QB.
I thought he had enough left. He doesn't. And it's not his fault, it is what it is.
Cant go with Gettlemen. In your first year on a job, your mistakes will show themselves immediately and your successes usually take a little longer to shine.
I don't think we know exactly yet what Shumer's system can produce due to this shitshow of a season, which I think he's handled as well as anyone can.
adequate OL. But I think my bigger disappointment has been Schurmer. I really thought better coaching could get us past some of the obvious shortcomings. Play calling, clock management, player under-utilization, the two point conversion call??? etc, etc
I'll say Gettleman because his usage of resources has been terrible. His free agent signings and trades are about as bad as they can be. There are some moves he has made that I actually think downgraded the team even further.
His draft however, looks more promising.
Watch him have better games now with Brown taking over at RG and Greco moving back to C.
No LT could play well with this crap going on in the interior.
Ask any pro OL including David Diehl.
It’s 80-90% of the problem.
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Highest paid tackle in the league and playing worse than Ereck Flowers.
Highest paid tackle in the league and playing worse than Ereck Flowers.
Solder was my answer tot he question, before I read the choices. With that being said, the whole OL deserves the honor IMO.
It feel's McHandley all over again .
Only question one pick in the draft that being Lauletta
I though O-line should have been the choice since we have
no depth. Nobody foresaw Soldier playing this poorly or
even Omameh being as bad as he has been .
With a decent Oline I doubt Eli would be in the conversation
Then there is Shurmur very uninspiring choice . Also the choice to switch the defense to 3-4 when we have not much
in the way of linebackers but I liked the Ogletree . The next draft and season shold tell us a bit more on DG I don't have much faith in Shurmur period ..If they continue to play poorly in pre-season and falter early next season he should be replaced .
Of the trio listed to choose from, Shurmur. I am disappointed in some of his coaching hires and the overall performance of his team, particularly the offense.
Gettleman? How can you be disappointed? This roster was fucking terrible. Terrible. What options did he have in this offseason to make this line better? Did you want Hart and Flowers to start again? You lost out on your #1 target in Norwell. So you go after Solder. His tape isn't bad, and it's definitely no where near what he is showing this year.
You want to nail him for Omameh, Latimer and Stewart? Eh. Go for it, but those are all small time signings in the long run.
I liked his draft. Solid solid draft. And any man who fires Ross is a man that gets some latitude.
You know what I love the best? Getting rid of trash and not trying to save it. Clear and decisive. I like how we don't have players on scholarship and and not afraid to change. THATS real front office leadership.
To those that think he could have changed things around in year 1 are imbeciles. Did you really buy into his speeches of competing? Please. Might as well tell fans not to buy tickets.
As for Shurmer? Some of his staff was questionable and some of his time management is questionable so if I had to pick one, I'd say Shurmer. But not that much of disappointment due to the shit show he walked in on. The whole roster is changing week to week.
I'll give him another chance.
Cant blame Shurmur this team sucks
Eli was done last year. Can't blame him either.
Highest paid tackle in the league and playing worse than Ereck Flowers.
I agree with this 100 percent. But of the original three it's Shurmur
Eli is not a disappointment. A good player on a poor team.
2. OL
3. Ownership for not firing Reese earlier.