The first two picks were good - we were picking 2nd overall.
Hill seems like a keeper - but another in a long line of solid if unspectacular interior defensive linemen. This is one area that the Giants have done well in for quite some time.
Beyond that - there's nothing. Lorenzo Carter has potential, but it's just that, potential. McIntosh hasn't taken the field, the 4th round pick isn't likely going to play this year either. And that's a draft with high picks and 2 third rounders.
I don't like or understand a lot of what DG did but I think we have to give him a few years to turn over and build this roster. and I do like that he has been active and not afraid to make moves.
Eli is Eli. Personally I would have moved on a few years ago. I had hopes that we could catch lightening in a bottle this year with some decent line play (which we didn't get), all the weapons, and our new HC who is a supposed QB/offensive genius. Alas, that didn't happen... but since it was just hope to begin with, I can't really be that disappointed.
But I expected PS to come in here and change the culture of losing... show something creative... use our skill players in new and interesting ways... get the team to be better than the sum of its parts. Instead... we may as well be watching Ben McAdoo in disguise.
I have real concerns about him being the guy to lead us out of the doldrums. and that is disappointing.
The organization needed an enema. There's the initial gusher of shit, like a firehose of explosive diarrhea for a season, then things get better, then MUCH better.
We're still at the explosive diarrhea phase, so cut them some slack.
Remember, Bill Parcells had a season like this.
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The first two picks were good - we were picking 2nd overall.
Hill seems like a keeper - but another in a long line of solid if unspectacular interior defensive linemen. This is one area that the Giants have done well in for quite some time.
Beyond that - there's nothing. Lorenzo Carter has potential, but it's just that, potential. McIntosh hasn't taken the field, the 4th round pick isn't likely going to play this year either. And that's a draft with high picks and 2 third rounders.
Compare that to our recent drafts where we basically got 1 maybe 2 long term starters. From 2010-2015, these are the players taken in the 2nd round or later that started multiple games:
Linval - obviously a great pick
Jacquian Williams
Rueben Randle
Hankins - another great pick
Kennard
Richburg
Collins
Hart - does starting by default count?
As good as the draft picks are shaking up to be, he fundamentally failed in free agency. Worst of all, his OL signings have been horrific. Him getting us to an average (or a freaking slightly below average OL) would enable both Shurmur & Eli to have a chance.
Speaks to how disappointing the ownership and overall management of the team is.
As a side note, I wonder if this band of bumblers even considered interviewing, say, Matt Nagy, or if they would have gone after Sean McVay if he were available during their search. I just can't see it.
doesn't say anything to you, then the real issue is your personal feelings about Webb.
Your analysis is incorrect. Teams select players from other team's practice squads because they think they can help their team win now. For the Giants to select Webb and release Tanney is not the same thing. The Giants are going nowhere this year. It makes perfect sense to trial both Webb and Lauletta. Moreover, selecting Webb does not cost the Giants a roster spot because Tanney's roster spot is expendable under any conceivable circumstance.
because I can't comprehend what their expectations were of him.
He's an immobile QB behind perhaps the most embarrassing offensive line in the league. 45% of runs go for 1 yard or less and the pass-protection gets beat on the regular by 4-man rushes.
Of course a more mobile QB would be a better fit here. But to be disappointed in Eli for not being mobile suggests that there was an expectation that he would or could be mobile.
Has he missed some throws? Of course (note: every QB in the league misses throws. They just get several more opportunities to compensate for them).
But for him to be the #1 disappointment on the team? Strange times.
His draft I love. Trading for Ogletree, trading JPP I am good with.
Signing Solder I understand we needed to get a Left Tackle.
The issues I have are letting Fluker leave but signing Omameh, signing Stewart, ignoring the Center position as this should have been a priority in FA or the draft. Keeping Flowers and Apple were short leash moves that I wish were made prior to the season.
Eli needs a pocket to step up into and a running game to take pressure off. Dropping back 40 + times a game was gonna get him killed.
That said, I didn't expect to have the whole thing fixed in one season. I did expect Shurmur and Eli to both be better than they have been but I think most of the issues this team is having is a direct result of the state of the O Line, so Gettlemen said he would fix the line....it ain't fixed.
Reese deserves most of the blame here, but he wasn't listed as an option.
All of the above. They are all bigger disappointments then I could have ever imagined each of them could be. Seriously, last year really appeared to be as rock bottom as you could get, yet somehow this year they have managed to find an even lower point as a collective unit.
doesn't say anything to you, then the real issue is your personal feelings about Webb.
Your analysis is incorrect. Teams select players from other team's practice squads because they think they can help their team win now. For the Giants to select Webb and release Tanney is not the same thing. The Giants are going nowhere this year. It makes perfect sense to trial both Webb and Lauletta.
Not if the coaching staff doesn't think there's something worth developing. Given that A) They promptly identified and drafted a QB to their liking & B) Ditched Webb at the first opportunity, it's a safe conclusion to make that they did not.
Of the trio listed to choose from, Shurmur. I am disappointed in some of his coaching hires and the overall performance of his team, particularly the offense.
I cannot be "disappointed" because this is what I expected.
Who in their right mind ever thought that the Giants would be better in 2018?
What did the FO do to significantly justify such baloney? I have absolutely no respect whatsoever for the Maras across the board.
I wish they sold the franchise. They deserve the disdain of the fans. What is needed is empty seats, no merchandise sales and no gambling. And a plane flying over the stadium with a banner. Then perhaps the Maras will sell out. I can only dream.
I knew what we had in Eli, how could I possibly be disappointed in him? I have no idea what Shurmur is trying to do with the offense and he’s plenty of a disappointment. I guess that leaves Gettleman. Still, this team was really in a lot of trouble when he took over. It was probably silly of me to think the new guys could turn things around in one off season.
The first two picks were good - we were picking 2nd overall.
Hill seems like a keeper - but another in a long line of solid if unspectacular interior defensive linemen. This is one area that the Giants have done well in for quite some time.
Beyond that - there's nothing. Lorenzo Carter has potential, but it's just that, potential. McIntosh hasn't taken the field, the 4th round pick isn't likely going to play this year either. And that's a draft with high picks and 2 third rounders.
But I think I will go with Shurmer.
I don't like or understand a lot of what DG did but I think we have to give him a few years to turn over and build this roster. and I do like that he has been active and not afraid to make moves.
Eli is Eli. Personally I would have moved on a few years ago. I had hopes that we could catch lightening in a bottle this year with some decent line play (which we didn't get), all the weapons, and our new HC who is a supposed QB/offensive genius. Alas, that didn't happen... but since it was just hope to begin with, I can't really be that disappointed.
But I expected PS to come in here and change the culture of losing... show something creative... use our skill players in new and interesting ways... get the team to be better than the sum of its parts. Instead... we may as well be watching Ben McAdoo in disguise.
I have real concerns about him being the guy to lead us out of the doldrums. and that is disappointing.
The organization needed an enema. There's the initial gusher of shit, like a firehose of explosive diarrhea for a season, then things get better, then MUCH better.
We're still at the explosive diarrhea phase, so cut them some slack.
Remember, Bill Parcells had a season like this.
The first two picks were good - we were picking 2nd overall.
Hill seems like a keeper - but another in a long line of solid if unspectacular interior defensive linemen. This is one area that the Giants have done well in for quite some time.
Beyond that - there's nothing. Lorenzo Carter has potential, but it's just that, potential. McIntosh hasn't taken the field, the 4th round pick isn't likely going to play this year either. And that's a draft with high picks and 2 third rounders.
Superstar (Barkley)
Potential pro-bowler (Hernandez)
Starter (Hill)
Depth/potential starter (Carter)
Unknowns:
McIntosh
Lauletta
Compare that to our recent drafts where we basically got 1 maybe 2 long term starters. From 2010-2015, these are the players taken in the 2nd round or later that started multiple games:
Linval - obviously a great pick
Jacquian Williams
Rueben Randle
Hankins - another great pick
Kennard
Richburg
Collins
Hart - does starting by default count?
As good as the draft picks are shaking up to be, he fundamentally failed in free agency. Worst of all, his OL signings have been horrific. Him getting us to an average (or a freaking slightly below average OL) would enable both Shurmur & Eli to have a chance.
As a side note, I wonder if this band of bumblers even considered interviewing, say, Matt Nagy, or if they would have gone after Sean McVay if he were available during their search. I just can't see it.
Eli hasn't been good this year, but his performance hasn't approached the depths of the other two.
Your analysis is incorrect. Teams select players from other team's practice squads because they think they can help their team win now. For the Giants to select Webb and release Tanney is not the same thing. The Giants are going nowhere this year. It makes perfect sense to trial both Webb and Lauletta. Moreover, selecting Webb does not cost the Giants a roster spot because Tanney's roster spot is expendable under any conceivable circumstance.
He's an immobile QB behind perhaps the most embarrassing offensive line in the league. 45% of runs go for 1 yard or less and the pass-protection gets beat on the regular by 4-man rushes.
Of course a more mobile QB would be a better fit here. But to be disappointed in Eli for not being mobile suggests that there was an expectation that he would or could be mobile.
Has he missed some throws? Of course (note: every QB in the league misses throws. They just get several more opportunities to compensate for them).
But for him to be the #1 disappointment on the team? Strange times.
Highest paid tackle in the league and playing worse than Ereck Flowers.
Winner!!!
His draft I love. Trading for Ogletree, trading JPP I am good with.
Signing Solder I understand we needed to get a Left Tackle.
The issues I have are letting Fluker leave but signing Omameh, signing Stewart, ignoring the Center position as this should have been a priority in FA or the draft. Keeping Flowers and Apple were short leash moves that I wish were made prior to the season.
Eli needs a pocket to step up into and a running game to take pressure off. Dropping back 40 + times a game was gonna get him killed.
That said, I didn't expect to have the whole thing fixed in one season. I did expect Shurmur and Eli to both be better than they have been but I think most of the issues this team is having is a direct result of the state of the O Line, so Gettlemen said he would fix the line....it ain't fixed.
Reese deserves most of the blame here, but he wasn't listed as an option.
(2) Eli Manning (I think a veteran QB, again, even considering the lack of talent on the OL, should be able to do more)
(3) Dave Gettleman (very positive grade on his draft; negative on his free agent acquisitions)
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doesn't say anything to you, then the real issue is your personal feelings about Webb.
Your analysis is incorrect. Teams select players from other team's practice squads because they think they can help their team win now. For the Giants to select Webb and release Tanney is not the same thing. The Giants are going nowhere this year. It makes perfect sense to trial both Webb and Lauletta.
Not if the coaching staff doesn't think there's something worth developing. Given that A) They promptly identified and drafted a QB to their liking & B) Ditched Webb at the first opportunity, it's a safe conclusion to make that they did not.
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He's the real problem and has been for years.
Of the trio listed to choose from, Shurmur. I am disappointed in some of his coaching hires and the overall performance of his team, particularly the offense.
Great post Red Dog.
He wasn't one of the choices.
How is this question so difficult for some of you to understand?
There are three choices in this thread. Gettleman, Shurmur or Eli.
If you want to start another thread with different options, please do so. Good lord. Pay attention!
Who in their right mind ever thought that the Giants would be better in 2018?
What did the FO do to significantly justify such baloney? I have absolutely no respect whatsoever for the Maras across the board.
I wish they sold the franchise. They deserve the disdain of the fans. What is needed is empty seats, no merchandise sales and no gambling. And a plane flying over the stadium with a banner. Then perhaps the Maras will sell out. I can only dream.