It's been rumored for a few years that there is friction between Kraft, Belicheck and Brady. If for whatever reason, if Belichick is available, should the Giants revamp their whole front office structure and hire Bill as both GM/Head Coach?
Who would want to continue forward with what we have compared to being able to have BB? The only issues are age, potential desire to continue coaching and if he would even become available anytime soon.
The obvious answer is yes - but we went through all of this a year ago. It's very unlikely to be an option.
Yea I think age could be a concern. He's 66 right now. Giants hired Coughlin at 58 I think and I think there questions then about age. Makes me wonder who the oldest HC hire was in NFL History.
It’s a message board during a miserable season. There is obviously smoke regarding friction in NE. The Giants are a disaster right now, the stars may align for Belichick to come & attempt to resurrect this franchise.
there are like 4 head coaches that coached past the age of 67. I can't see Belichick wanting to build a new team this late in age nor do I see him coaching that much longer. It's a nice dream, but I can't see this happening
Yea I think age could be a concern. He's 66 right now. Giants hired Coughlin at 58 I think and I think there questions then about age. Makes me wonder who the oldest HC hire was in NFL History.
My guess is Gibbs at 64 during his second run with the skins. Parcells was 62 with the cowboys
It’s a message board during a miserable season. There is obviously smoke regarding friction in NE. The Giants are a disaster right now, the stars may align for Belichick to come & attempt to resurrect this franchise.
How likely is it that John Mara is going to reverse course on a GM and coach hire after one year and just give the franchise over to Belichick?
Giants needed a GM and a coach at the exact same time reports were Belichick was not getting along with Brady and Kraft. I can't think of a better time if it was ever going to happen. But it didn't. And I doubt it ever will.
never happen but will always linger in the background. Obviously, BB feels a loyal to the NYG and Maras. If you watched the 30 for 30 documentary it’s very clear. Too many things would have to come together with money, power, timing for this to ever be a reality.
Would cast out their entire FO and coaching staff if BB came to the table. Seriously, I would argue 25-28 nfl teams would dump everyone to bring him in. So of course we should.
He won't leave Kraft on good terms, and the odds of him getting any of his staff are as close to zero as you can get.
Let's look at the NE coaching staff:
Offensive Coordinator: Josh McDaniels, 10 years as OC, 15 years overall.
Offensive Line: Dante Scarnecchia (Bill's secret weapon), 33 years with NE, 47 years overall.
RB Coach: Ivan Fears, 22 years with NE, 28th overall.
WR Coach: Chad O'Shea, 15 years with NE, 22th overall
LB Coach: Brian Flores, 3rd year as NE LB Coach, before that Safeties coach for 5 years with NE.
CB Coach: Josh Boyer, 7 years with NE as CB Coach, 3 years with NE as DB coach.
Special Teams: Joe Judge, 4 years with NE as ST coach, 3 years before that as NE Assistant ST coach.
Look at that stability. You have very good coaches who have installed systems for a long time under Belichick, something he won't have if he comes here. Bill would have to re-build and re-train his staff, install his offensive and defensive systems, and find a QB that can run his offense.
That's a tall order at 66 years old. I think that's been part of the issue here, Shurmur's hire was late enough so that he couldn't get all the coaches he wanted here, (example, our current OL coach). I expect changes in the off season to the Giants staff as the coaches are evaluated.
I would give him total control, even over ownership, in all personnel decisions. I would let him train everyone on his philosophies concerning what to look for in players. I'd let him revamp the scouting department. I would let him do whatever he wants. This job would be very important to him. He might even keep DG, Shurmur, Bettcher, etc. around. I would be very happy to have him as our head coach/head of football operations.
Belichick should be brought in if available and I don’t know how anyone could say no to this. In my opinion I think Belichick might decide to give up coaching but he will be open to coming here in the same capacity as Coughlin in Jacksonville which I would be 100% behind. He might be able to convince Dante Scarnecchia to come over as OL coach.
Adding Belichick to the organization is exactly the boost this franchise needs. Hand him a blank check and let’s move forward with him.
there are like 4 head coaches that coached past the age of 67. I can't see Belichick wanting to build a new team this late in age nor do I see him coaching that much longer. It's a nice dream, but I can't see this happening
when you're 67 you don't think that way.
I'm assuming Eric's "optimism" is based on this: Â
If BB decided he wanted to leave NE because: 1) Brady is aging or injured, 2) BB wants to move on from Brady but Kraft won't let him, 3) BB woulld like to prove that he can win without Brady -- to cement his legacy as the best ever, and 4) BB still has an emotional connection to the Giants.... All he'd have to do is call Mara, and Mara would say Yes.
A friend who's a Pats fan just gave me Ian O'Connor's bio of BB, and after reading it I'm not convinced that BB is ready to hang up his hoodie, or that he loves Brady except as a prototypical smart, competitive QB.
At his age now, 66, I think it's reasonable to conclude he's not into reclamation projects like the Giants. He's chasing rings.
And this is the key reason why this will never happen, Jints Central is too stupid to allow Belichick to be the COO and run EVERYTHING. Like too many teams, they are stuck in this antiquated model of GM & HC being two different people.
Belichick becomes available. If he does, there is probably even less chance he wants to start over with a bottom feeder and rebuild.
Having said that, if those things happened and Belichick would talk to them, Mara needs to tell him to write down everything he wants on a piece of paper, and then Mara needs to silently agree to everything on that piece of paper. If BB write “I get to punch you in the nuts every morning,” Mara needs to agree.
But I think we all know that isn’t how Mara operates. He’d likely insist on keeping DG to be GM and getting a couple more years out of Eli.
At his age now, 66, I think it's reasonable to conclude he's not into reclamation projects like the Giants. He's chasing rings.
And this is the key reason why this will never happen, Jints Central is too stupid to allow Belichick to be the COO and run EVERYTHING. Like too many teams, they are stuck in this antiquated model of GM & HC being two different people.
Other than Belichick how many head coaches that were also the GM won Super Bowls? I think the model of GM & HC as two different people still dominates in championships.
that BB will do anything to coach him?
Kidding of course, but if you have the opportunity to add one of the all-time great football minds back into your franchise you do it, in whatever capacity he would like to take part.
Seriously? Lol
Yea I think age could be a concern. He's 66 right now. Giants hired Coughlin at 58 I think and I think there questions then about age. Makes me wonder who the oldest HC hire was in NFL History.
Based on what? It didn't happen last year when there was a lot more smoke to Belichick being unhappy.
Yea I think age could be a concern. He's 66 right now. Giants hired Coughlin at 58 I think and I think there questions then about age. Makes me wonder who the oldest HC hire was in NFL History.
My guess is Gibbs at 64 during his second run with the skins. Parcells was 62 with the cowboys
How likely is it that John Mara is going to reverse course on a GM and coach hire after one year and just give the franchise over to Belichick?
"stars may align" indeed.
Lolololol
It s a message board!
To the point, I still think of Belichick as a Giant.
Let's look at the NE coaching staff:
Offensive Coordinator: Josh McDaniels, 10 years as OC, 15 years overall.
Offensive Line: Dante Scarnecchia (Bill's secret weapon), 33 years with NE, 47 years overall.
RB Coach: Ivan Fears, 22 years with NE, 28th overall.
WR Coach: Chad O'Shea, 15 years with NE, 22th overall
LB Coach: Brian Flores, 3rd year as NE LB Coach, before that Safeties coach for 5 years with NE.
CB Coach: Josh Boyer, 7 years with NE as CB Coach, 3 years with NE as DB coach.
Special Teams: Joe Judge, 4 years with NE as ST coach, 3 years before that as NE Assistant ST coach.
Look at that stability. You have very good coaches who have installed systems for a long time under Belichick, something he won't have if he comes here. Bill would have to re-build and re-train his staff, install his offensive and defensive systems, and find a QB that can run his offense.
That's a tall order at 66 years old. I think that's been part of the issue here, Shurmur's hire was late enough so that he couldn't get all the coaches he wanted here, (example, our current OL coach). I expect changes in the off season to the Giants staff as the coaches are evaluated.
Really? Inside sources or an educated guess?
Shurmur will be given at least 4 seasons cause that's how we do things (unless the entire locker room turns on him like Mac)
I'd bounce his was outta here at the end of the year. If Bellicheck was availible I'd bounce his was out yesterday.
Shurmur will be given at least 4 seasons cause that's how we do things (unless the entire locker room turns on him like Mac)
I'd bounce his was outta here at the end of the year. If Bellicheck was availible I'd bounce his was out yesterday.
At least 4 seasons?
I don't believe that for a second.
McAdoo didn't even get two. Why is Pat Shurmur going to get "at least 4" ?
Until the Mara's stop meddling this team is going to continue to be shit.
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But people are fooling themselves if they don't think ownerships stance would be "well.. let's give Shurmur a fair shot"
Shurmur will be given at least 4 seasons cause that's how we do things (unless the entire locker room turns on him like Mac)
I'd bounce his was outta here at the end of the year. If Bellicheck was availible I'd bounce his was out yesterday.
At least 4 seasons?
I don't believe that for a second.
McAdoo didn't even get two. Why is Pat Shurmur going to get "at least 4" ?
His suits fit better
Adding Belichick to the organization is exactly the boost this franchise needs. Hand him a blank check and let’s move forward with him.
when you're 67 you don't think that way.
A friend who's a Pats fan just gave me Ian O'Connor's bio of BB, and after reading it I'm not convinced that BB is ready to hang up his hoodie, or that he loves Brady except as a prototypical smart, competitive QB.
At his age now, 66, I think it's reasonable to conclude he's not into reclamation projects like the Giants. He's chasing rings.
And this is the key reason why this will never happen, Jints Central is too stupid to allow Belichick to be the COO and run EVERYTHING. Like too many teams, they are stuck in this antiquated model of GM & HC being two different people.
Having said that, if those things happened and Belichick would talk to them, Mara needs to tell him to write down everything he wants on a piece of paper, and then Mara needs to silently agree to everything on that piece of paper. If BB write “I get to punch you in the nuts every morning,” Mara needs to agree.
But I think we all know that isn’t how Mara operates. He’d likely insist on keeping DG to be GM and getting a couple more years out of Eli.
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I would not discount this as a possibility.
At his age now, 66, I think it's reasonable to conclude he's not into reclamation projects like the Giants. He's chasing rings.
And this is the key reason why this will never happen, Jints Central is too stupid to allow Belichick to be the COO and run EVERYTHING. Like too many teams, they are stuck in this antiquated model of GM & HC being two different people.
Other than Belichick how many head coaches that were also the GM won Super Bowls? I think the model of GM & HC as two different people still dominates in championships.
Kidding of course, but if you have the opportunity to add one of the all-time great football minds back into your franchise you do it, in whatever capacity he would like to take part.