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If Bill Belichick is available, should the Giants go All-In?

NYG27 : 11/4/2018 12:33 pm
It's been rumored for a few years that there is friction between Kraft, Belicheck and Brady. If for whatever reason, if Belichick is available, should the Giants revamp their whole front office structure and hire Bill as both GM/Head Coach?
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It's been the elephant in the war room  
JonC : 11/4/2018 8:59 pm : link
for at least two or three recent offseasons.
Hey, if people can get behind losing for two years straight  
jcn56 : 11/4/2018 9:02 pm : link
with the intention of landing one specific player in the draft, then I can hold out hope that the greatest DC in Giants history and best coach of all time decided to come back home to finish up his career.

Ain't gonna happen, but if you're going to dream, might as well dream big.
I’m sure  
Les in TO : 11/4/2018 9:05 pm : link
The giants would have to give up three first round picks to even be in the mix assuming Bill would be fine with a coach only role
How is this a question?  
Go Terps : 11/4/2018 9:20 pm : link
The Giants would be better off trading their entire roster for Belichick and his staff as opposed to what they have now.

If we're willing to pay Beckham, or Eli, or anyone else $100M against the cap then Belichick is worth a billion dollars in an uncapped situation.
Yes of course you do it  
Jerry in DC : 11/4/2018 9:25 pm : link
Even if it's only for 3 years, that's 3 better years than you would have with anyone else. And hopefully his intelligence, curiosity, and organizational structure would rub off on others. It could have positive long term impact on player, ownership, etc.

It would also make things more interesting as a fan. I would be curious to see what he could/would do here. Considering how boring this team has been for a long time, that alone might make it worth it.
RE: ...  
NikkiMac : 11/5/2018 2:29 am : link
In comment 14164049 Eric from BBI said:
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I would not discount this as a possibility.


Lately I’ve been feeling the Sam Eric
I think Marv Levy was the oldest coach  
Gman11 : 11/5/2018 8:03 am : link
He was about 130 when the Bills brought him back. In fact, I'm not sure he was still alive. It may have been the zombie Levy.

Seriously, I'm on both sides of the issue. Belichick is certainly in the discussion for the greatest coach ever in the NFL. That would be reason to get him. However, he might look at the talent level on this team and say to himself how did I get myself into this mess?

Remember, Vince Lombardi didn't have a winning season with Washington. Hank Stram didn't do much winning in New Orleans. Great coaches can't make champions out of lousy players.
A few things to keep in mind  
JonC : 11/5/2018 8:14 am : link
Bill will be 67 next year. While it doesn't instantly disqualify him, you never know when someone will reach the point of diminishing returns. Also, it's very likely there's a contract in place which means compensation to NE in order to release him. Can't count on Kraft doing BB or NYG a solid. Last, at his age you have to wonder if he's up for the challenge of rebuilding NYG without a QB in place.
Didn't the NFL make compensating teams for coaching hires  
jcn56 : 11/5/2018 8:27 am : link
illegal after the whole Parcells mess in NE?

Not to mention that nobody knows BB's contract structure - it's been long rumored that he doesn't have a long term contract, just a year to year contract that he could walk away from easily.

His age would certainly be a concern, but the big question mark there seems to be his son. I would imagine BB wants to set up his son somewhere, and the Pats seem to be earmarked for McDaniels when he steps down.
RE: A few things to keep in mind  
Sean : 11/5/2018 8:28 am : link
In comment 14165156 JonC said:
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Bill will be 67 next year. While it doesn't instantly disqualify him, you never know when someone will reach the point of diminishing returns. Also, it's very likely there's a contract in place which means compensation to NE in order to release him. Can't count on Kraft doing BB or NYG a solid. Last, at his age you have to wonder if he's up for the challenge of rebuilding NYG without a QB in place.


Age didn’t seem to matter with Gettleman.
Age/DG  
JonC : 11/5/2018 8:31 am : link
doesn't make it a good, sound decision either. Some of his own comments are revealing in terms of being behind the modern curve, imo. Not that this would be an issue for BB, but it's just to say you don't know how long he'll be able to keep up the pace.

As to his contract, I don't know for sure but the beat info I've heard a few times is that this data point isn't being reported in full truth by the media.
RE: I think Marv Levy was the oldest coach  
FStubbs : 11/5/2018 8:33 am : link
In comment 14165148 Gman11 said:
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He was about 130 when the Bills brought him back. In fact, I'm not sure he was still alive. It may have been the zombie Levy.

Seriously, I'm on both sides of the issue. Belichick is certainly in the discussion for the greatest coach ever in the NFL. That would be reason to get him. However, he might look at the talent level on this team and say to himself how did I get myself into this mess?

Remember, Vince Lombardi didn't have a winning season with Washington. Hank Stram didn't do much winning in New Orleans. Great coaches can't make champions out of lousy players.


Nope - Vince Lombardi was 7-5-2 in his first season in Washington before unfortunately dying of cancer. They went to the Superbowl a few years later so it's clear he put them on the right path.

Belichick though? As pointed out, I'd be concerned it would just be a way for him to try to set his son up. I'd want him to bring his whole organization if he did come back, since I am highly suspect of the Giants scouts. And he'd have to get rid of Chris Mara.

This is a fun fantasy at best.
Re: DG/age-  
Sean : 11/5/2018 8:37 am : link
I really think Abrams was the guy long term. The problem Mara has now, if things don’t turn around there is no way he can sell it to the fans.
That and Abrams isn't really a football guy  
JonC : 11/5/2018 8:41 am : link
he's a numbers guy, as far as I know. Not sure he's got the actual football/scouting accumen or not.
RE: Didn't the NFL make compensating teams for coaching hires  
FJ : 11/5/2018 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14165168 jcn56 said:
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illegal after the whole Parcells mess in NE?

Not to mention that nobody knows BB's contract structure - it's been long rumored that he doesn't have a long term contract, just a year to year contract that he could walk away from easily.

His age would certainly be a concern, but the big question mark there seems to be his son. I would imagine BB wants to set up his son somewhere, and the Pats seem to be earmarked for McDaniels when he steps down.
. No. The Patriots
compensated the Jets when they hired BB. And the Bucs compensated the Raiders to get Chuckie.
RE: That and Abrams isn't really a football guy  
Tesla : 11/5/2018 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14165185 JonC said:
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he's a numbers guy, as far as I know. Not sure he's got the actual football/scouting accumen or not.


Hiring Abrams would be an outrage of the highest order. You don't hire a glorified CPA with zero "football" experience to run your franchise, no matter how swell he is and how much everyone thinks he's a nice guy.

RE: RE: That and Abrams isn't really a football guy  
JonC : 11/5/2018 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14165603 Tesla said:
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In comment 14165185 JonC said:


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he's a numbers guy, as far as I know. Not sure he's got the actual football/scouting accumen or not.



Hiring Abrams would be an outrage of the highest order. You don't hire a glorified CPA with zero "football" experience to run your franchise, no matter how swell he is and how much everyone thinks he's a nice guy.


It's been speculated that's the plan, not heard of any change as yet. Let's hope the continued sucktitude convinces Mara it's time for more progressive measures.
As a GM maybe coach I doubt it  
Bluesbreaker : 11/5/2018 2:07 pm : link
Not at 66 I didn't realize he was that old .
Gonna tear it down again ?
I just don't see that happening unless DG has another
setback . Shurmur is totally dispensable at this point .
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