The tempo helps from a conditioning standpoint as well as a substitution standpoint. I like Chip Kelly used to do. He made a defense defend the whole field. Sideline to sideline and all levels of the field. That created huge gaps in the defense as well as making the DL run all over the field. Have we tried any of this?
Aaron Jones is a hammer. They need to ride him more. Guy can run. I think they moved Montgomery to get him more touches. Williams is still there but Jones is just clearly better.
I think a lot of informed people think Rodgers is in the GOAT conversation.
So WTF are you talking about?
Rodgers is not in the conversation for greatest ever.
LOL. What have you been watching the last 10 years?
Watching Tom Brady dominate the sport of football. In just about every possible way. You?
Me?
I've been watching a QB who is elusive, accurate, has a cannon arm, and throws more accurately on the run than just about anyone I've ever seen.
Aaron Rodgers has carried a lot of these Packers teams. Look what they turned into last year when Hundley was under center. They were barely even competitive.
Do you think NE would have any less hardware if you switched Brady and Rodgers?
1st ballot HOF no question. He doesn’t have enough seasons left to come close to the hardware Brady has. Brady is the GOAT. Doubt he gets surpassed in my lifetime.
Brady is clearly on the conversation but he said Rodgers in the conversation is a joke.
that’s really the joke...right?
For me it’s Rodgers and Brady at the top. But I would take Rodgers to start a team if both guys were 22.
It completely about Brady. The foobarz or whatever his name is declared let’s “see who the real GOAT is” my point is that there is no conversation about the best QB ever. You can’t talk about if this guy was on this team etc... Brady won 5 Superbowls. Completely has dominated the sport. Brady, and it will always pain me to say, is undeniably the greatest ever.
They moved the time up in brazil. Its 12am here and the game just in second quarter. This looks like one of those games that who ever gets the ball last wins
Brady is clearly on the conversation but he said Rodgers in the conversation is a joke.
that’s really the joke...right?
For me it’s Rodgers and Brady at the top. But I would take Rodgers to start a team if both guys were 22.
It completely about Brady. The foobarz or whatever his name is declared let’s “see who the real GOAT is” my point is that there is no conversation about the best QB ever. You can’t talk about if this guy was on this team etc... Brady won 5 Superbowls. Completely has dominated the sport. Brady, and it will always pain me to say, is undeniably the greatest ever.
Rodger team has always been trash. The gm puts all the weight on rodgers shoulders. They just got rid of their best CB and have no depth. Pats have been in a crappy division, I wanna see Brady do that in Packers division. Bears and vikings are made to attack the QB because of rodgers in their division
The difference between Brady and Rodgers is that Mike McCarthy is not even in the same universe as Bill Belichick.
That’s just your opinion. Belicheck has done nothing without Brady, and I doubt we will ever see what happens if they parted.
He's done nothing without Brady?
He coached an 11-5 team with Matt Cassel in 2008.
He got 11 wins out of the Browns in '94. They haven't won that many games since.
Nonsense.
He was 36-44 with the Browns. Macadoo had a good record one season with the Giants, does it really mean anything?
Well, considering that the Browns have only played in one playoff game since Bill was there... and he left over 20 years ago... yeah, I think it means a little something.
Belichick is a tremendous coach. A great QB doesn't carry a team to the successes the Pats have had over the last 15+ years on their own.
Just doesn't happen.
The Pats haven't won less than 10 games in 15 years. You think that's all Brady?
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the Saints-Rams and the Pats tonight, it is eye opening just how far the Giants are away from actually competing again.
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It's true I suppose, but could a Rams' fan have said the same thing after their 2016 season in comparison to the top teams that year (NE, ATL, GB)???
Aaron Rodger the GOAT???? WTF are you talking about
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or does Brady own his ass? I I wouldnt be mad though Brady earned his respect, hard to hate on a guy that gave us 2 super bowls
Aaron Rodger the GOAT???? WTF are you talking about
Did you watch our last playoff game? You know the oneand only
So WTF are you talking about?
So WTF are you talking about?
Lets put it this way. If Rodgers had OBJ and Barkley he would be undeafted
So WTF are you talking about?
I think we're dealing with dupes/trolls or who the hell knows.
Rodgers is the best QB I've ever seen.
So WTF are you talking about?
Rodgers is not in the conversation for greatest ever.
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I think a lot of informed people think Rodgers is in the GOAT conversation.
So WTF are you talking about?
Rodgers is not in the conversation for greatest ever.
Ummm, yes, he is.
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I think a lot of informed people think Rodgers is in the GOAT conversation.
So WTF are you talking about?
Rodgers is not in the conversation for greatest ever.
LOL. What have you been watching the last 10 years?
I have a hard time actually putting him there because he's only won 1 title and only played in 1 super bowl.
But the guy is as talented as they've ever come.
It's impossible to put him on Brady's level except for talent though imo
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I think a lot of informed people think Rodgers is in the GOAT conversation.
So WTF are you talking about?
Rodgers is not in the conversation for greatest ever.
LOL. What have you been watching the last 10 years?
Watching Tom Brady dominate the sport of football. In just about every possible way. You?
I have a hard time actually putting him there because he's only won 1 title and only played in 1 super bowl.
But the guy is as talented as they've ever come.
It's impossible to put him on Brady's level except for talent though imo
Exactly
Its the coaching, roster is the same thing maybe worse. Pats best wr is Gorden that guy is a drug addict and admits that he plays high
Can you put Barry Sanders on Franco Harris’ level?
It s a team sport. He’s one guy. And that one guy is right there with anybody.
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I think a lot of informed people think Rodgers is in the GOAT conversation.
So WTF are you talking about?
Rodgers is not in the conversation for greatest ever.
LOL. What have you been watching the last 10 years?
Watching Tom Brady dominate the sport of football. In just about every possible way. You?
Me?
I've been watching a QB who is elusive, accurate, has a cannon arm, and throws more accurately on the run than just about anyone I've ever seen.
Aaron Rodgers has carried a lot of these Packers teams. Look what they turned into last year when Hundley was under center. They were barely even competitive.
Do you think NE would have any less hardware if you switched Brady and Rodgers?
that’s really the joke...right?
For me it’s Rodgers and Brady at the top. But I would take Rodgers to start a team if both guys were 22.
They won 14 of those 20 games.
I'm not looking to discount Tom Brady - he's had an incredible career and he's certainly worthy of "GOAT" consideration.
I just think Aaron Rodgers is a better QB.
Can you put Barry Sanders on Franco Harris’ level?
It s a team sport. He’s one guy. And that one guy is right there with anybody.
It's a team sport, but the QB has much more control of the outcome than the running back position does.
Rodgers is definitely up there. But it's hard to convince someone that he's as good or better than Brady when he's only played in 1 super bowl.
Brady has played in 8. We're not talking about 3 vs 1. 8 vs 1
that’s really the joke...right?
For me it’s Rodgers and Brady at the top. But I would take Rodgers to start a team if both guys were 22.
It completely about Brady. The foobarz or whatever his name is declared let’s “see who the real GOAT is” my point is that there is no conversation about the best QB ever. You can’t talk about if this guy was on this team etc... Brady won 5 Superbowls. Completely has dominated the sport. Brady, and it will always pain me to say, is undeniably the greatest ever.
They moved the time up in brazil. Its 12am here and the game just in second quarter. This looks like one of those games that who ever gets the ball last wins
Solder plays fine there and then he comes to the Giants and sucks shit.
Bill Belichick is likely never bill belichick without Tom Brady. Both of them built this. Together. Not one more than the other imo.
Ask Dan Marino.
And Rodgers is much better than Marino.
The coaching in NE is a huge factor. So is the division. It’s never a tough road to win the division with Mia, Buf and NYJ (and lock up the #1 seed).
For me, it’s just the talent. Brady is great no doubt but Rodgers is the guy I would take.
That’s just your opinion. Belicheck has done nothing without Brady, and I doubt we will ever see what happens if they parted.
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Brady is clearly on the conversation but he said Rodgers in the conversation is a joke.
that’s really the joke...right?
For me it’s Rodgers and Brady at the top. But I would take Rodgers to start a team if both guys were 22.
It completely about Brady. The foobarz or whatever his name is declared let’s “see who the real GOAT is” my point is that there is no conversation about the best QB ever. You can’t talk about if this guy was on this team etc... Brady won 5 Superbowls. Completely has dominated the sport. Brady, and it will always pain me to say, is undeniably the greatest ever.
Rodger team has always been trash. The gm puts all the weight on rodgers shoulders. They just got rid of their best CB and have no depth. Pats have been in a crappy division, I wanna see Brady do that in Packers division. Bears and vikings are made to attack the QB because of rodgers in their division
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The difference between Brady and Rodgers is that Mike McCarthy is not even in the same universe as Bill Belichick.
Bill Belichick is likely never bill belichick without Tom Brady. Both of them built this. Together. Not one more than the other imo.
Right - but who is Mike McCarthy without Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers?
Probably no one.
I think Bill is just a much better coach. You're right - Brady has had a huge role in Bill's legacy. But it goes both ways.
I hate to even discount Tom Brady at all - because he's got a very strong case as the greatest ever.
But when I watch these two QB's.. there's nothing I see Tom Brady do that I don't think Aaron Rodgers can.
If I had a completely neutral team and had to take one or the other, I would take Rodgers.
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The difference between Brady and Rodgers is that Mike McCarthy is not even in the same universe as Bill Belichick.
That’s just your opinion. Belicheck has done nothing without Brady, and I doubt we will ever see what happens if they parted.
He's done nothing without Brady?
He coached an 11-5 team with Matt Cassel in 2008.
He got 11 wins out of the Browns in '94. They haven't won that many games since.
Nonsense.
It’s a conversation about two QBs dude. In my opinion you are nuts to say Rodgers is the greatest when comparing them.
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The difference between Brady and Rodgers is that Mike McCarthy is not even in the same universe as Bill Belichick.
That’s just your opinion. Belicheck has done nothing without Brady, and I doubt we will ever see what happens if they parted.
He's done nothing without Brady?
He coached an 11-5 team with Matt Cassel in 2008.
He got 11 wins out of the Browns in '94. They haven't won that many games since.
Nonsense.
He was 36-44 with the Browns. Macadoo had a good record one season with the Giants, does it really mean anything?
Brady being Goat? Ok. At worst I have him #2 so I don’t know what the hell youre talking about.
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The difference between Brady and Rodgers is that Mike McCarthy is not even in the same universe as Bill Belichick.
That’s just your opinion. Belicheck has done nothing without Brady, and I doubt we will ever see what happens if they parted.
He's done nothing without Brady?
He coached an 11-5 team with Matt Cassel in 2008.
He got 11 wins out of the Browns in '94. They haven't won that many games since.
Nonsense.
He was 36-44 with the Browns. Macadoo had a good record one season with the Giants, does it really mean anything?
I would say that Bill B. had something to do with Superbowl 25 as well. He's done plenty without Brady.
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The difference between Brady and Rodgers is that Mike McCarthy is not even in the same universe as Bill Belichick.
That’s just your opinion. Belicheck has done nothing without Brady, and I doubt we will ever see what happens if they parted.
He's done nothing without Brady?
He coached an 11-5 team with Matt Cassel in 2008.
He got 11 wins out of the Browns in '94. They haven't won that many games since.
Nonsense.
He was 36-44 with the Browns. Macadoo had a good record one season with the Giants, does it really mean anything?
Well, considering that the Browns have only played in one playoff game since Bill was there... and he left over 20 years ago... yeah, I think it means a little something.
Belichick is a tremendous coach. A great QB doesn't carry a team to the successes the Pats have had over the last 15+ years on their own.
Just doesn't happen.
The Pats haven't won less than 10 games in 15 years. You think that's all Brady?
Brady being Goat? Ok. At worst I have him #2 so I don’t know what the hell youre talking about.
If my wording was unclear I am sorry. I find trying to debate who the GOAT is between Rodgers and Brady laughable.