Look at Brady's defenses in the years he won. Twice he had the best scoring defense in football.
Rodgers has NEVER had that.
The best he had was the 2nd ranked scoring defense. And guess what happened that year? He won the SB.
Brady has played for teams that were better coached and more talented. I don't know how anyone could debate that. Ted Thompson really was not a great GM - he just hit the jackpot on the QB and Rodgers has been covering up holes for years.
Look what happened to the Packers without him last year.
Contrast that with the Pats winning 14 times in 20 tries without Brady.
That doesn't matter?
This should have ended the thread. Absolute home run of a post.
We are just giving credit in different areas when it comes to who we think is the greatest ever.
You are putting more of the weight into results and winning - I am isolating the players and comparing them individually.
Neither is necessarily right or wrong.
But I don't think it's debatable that Brady has had a far better coach. He's also had better defenses. That stuff matters.
When I watch Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady, I just don't see Brady do anything that Rodgers can't.
From a talent standpoint, Rodgers is the better player - Brady has had far more success. But it's the NFL... there are so many other factors that impact overall wins and losses.
Anyway... this argument is detracting from a pretty good football game. It is what it is.
RE: Sending a punt rush on 4th and 22 in a tie game? Â
if we're comparing them individually and taking the "skill set" out of the equation, what numbers or stats can you actually point to and say "Rodgers has a clear advantage here". Genuinely curious.
I would still take Montana over anyone and feel good about it Â
if we're comparing them individually and taking the "skill set" out of the equation, what numbers or stats can you actually point to and say "Rodgers has a clear advantage here". Genuinely curious.
It's not about stats. Blake Bortles threw for like 4500 yards and 35 TDs a few years ago.
My opinion is borne out of watching both guys all these years.
I personally think Rodgers has carried a lot of crappy teams, he has had a far worse coach, and his escapability/ability to throw darts on the run is something Brady cannot physically do.
There is literally nothing Tom Brady does as a QB that I don't think Rodgers is capable of. He's more talented.
Winning is a product of many other factors. The Giants have absolutely no shot at winning our last SB unless the defense stepped up. They did. Eli made brilliant plays when he needed to. But if the defense hadn't come together and gotten healthy at that point, there's no chance we win that year.
Like I've said many times - look at what the Packers turned into without Rodgers and look at what the Pats turned into without Brady. GB went like 3-8 without Rodgers. NE had no problem winning games without Brady. They won the majority of them.
I know this is the nature of the beast in the day and age of ESPN, NFL network top ten lists and who is the best of all time, etc. but the argument gets a little ridiculous after while. Brady, Rodgers, Montana, Manning, Elway, Unitas.... They were/are are all in the conversation. There are so many x factors involved in what makes "the greatest" that it a rabbit hole I prefer not to go down.
What I do know is I would sure as hell love to have a 22 year old version of any one of them drafted next April
records, wins, and rings that Brady has there would not be a Giant fan alive that would say he Rodgers is the greatest ever because of his “skill set”...
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Yeah Rodgers has more physical talent than Brady, but physical ability isn't the end all be all.
Here's something Brady has been able to do that Rodgers has not: stay consistently healthy. That matters.
Terps, I feel like this is the Elway-Montana debate just being rehashed 30 years later.
Montana had the structure, great coaching (and overall staff), and the W's that followed.
Elway had incredible talent and dragged a bunch of bums to the Super Bowl with questionable coaching, and yet when they lost, he got all the blame. But from pure talent, he and Rodgers may be the greatest I've ever seen.
QBs have more influence than any other single player on the field, but not more influence than the rest of the players combined.
A QB is only on the field for about 40-45% of plays. That means that the majority of the plays in the game, the QB has absolutely zero impact. And when he's on the field, his play is still dependent on the work of 10 other teammates.
If Brady's offensive line sucked and couldn't run block or pass protect, he would have 0 Super Bowl rings.
if we're comparing them individually and taking the "skill set" out of the equation, what numbers or stats can you actually point to and say "Rodgers has a clear advantage here". Genuinely curious.
It's not about stats. Blake Bortles threw for like 4500 yards and 35 TDs a few years ago.
My opinion is borne out of watching both guys all these years.
I personally think Rodgers has carried a lot of crappy teams, he has had a far worse coach, and his escapability/ability to throw darts on the run is something Brady cannot physically do.
There is literally nothing Tom Brady does as a QB that I don't think Rodgers is capable of. He's more talented.
Winning is a product of many other factors. The Giants have absolutely no shot at winning our last SB unless the defense stepped up. They did. Eli made brilliant plays when he needed to. But if the defense hadn't come together and gotten healthy at that point, there's no chance we win that year.
Like I've said many times - look at what the Packers turned into without Rodgers and look at what the Pats turned into without Brady. GB went like 3-8 without Rodgers. NE had no problem winning games without Brady. They won the majority of them.
Those Superbowls all went through Brady’s arm though. He may have had some good defenses but the defenses rankings can easily get inflated by Brady driving and scoring at will against other teams. If you are suddenly down 20 in the blink of an eye, defenses know you are gonna have to throw to stay in the game and adjust accordingly.
I’ll give you that possibly Belicheck is a genius, but again it’s just a question that will never have an answer.
I hate when Patriots pick up fuckups from other teams Â
Arc and I lived in Boston for many years, I would love to have any argument against Brady being the best ever, but unfortunately I haven’t heard one and can’t really find one. He’s been incredible for 2 decades now.
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and they turn into gold... shit, I hope we have that kinda luck with Coleman, but even the Patriots quit on him.
It's not something that just happens to them out of luck. They take the chances because they're bold and are in a position of strength, and confident in their process and culture.
If you're used to the clown show that the Giants' coaching staffs have been since about 2013, watching the Patriots is about as different an experience as can be imagined.
Has too many blemishes on his resume to be considered better than Brady. Same with Brees.
I think Brees is a better passer. Brady a better competitor.
Brees splits outside of a dome are pretty bad. There’s nothing glaring like that on Brady’s resume.
Brady has had a remarkable career. Won SBs with no names and cast offs early in his career. Got the better of Peyton when everyone thought Peyton was the lock GOAT. Insane amount of SB appearances and wins in an era that’s damn near impossible to build a dynasty. Plenty of records. Plenty of comeback wins. Flawless career outside of the few SB losses.
Rodgers OL looks like they been watching film on the Giants! Â
Brees splits outside of a dome are pretty bad. There’s nothing glaring like that on Brady’s resume.
Brady has had a remarkable career. Won SBs with no names and cast offs early in his career. Got the better of Peyton when everyone thought Peyton was the lock GOAT. Insane amount of SB appearances and wins in an era that’s damn near impossible to build a dynasty. Plenty of records. Plenty of comeback wins. Flawless career outside of the few SB losses.
Really good point about Brees. He's a very good QB, but playing in a dome has distorted his production. Rating is 10 points less and his TD/INT ratio is worse (2.61 (H) vs 1.79 (R)).
Would Brady have NOT made the Super Bowl at 15-1? Â
there’s an incredible coaching and personnel disparity between him and Brady, its massive in my opinion. I don’t think Brady would have had this career anywhere else, where Rodgers would be Rodgers practically everywhere else with a ton of room to grow if he played for a better coach/GM.
His RB was James White, Julian Edelman and castaway Josh Gordon his WR's.
He was missing starting OL last week.
but, it's all Belichick and Scar. Sure it is.
I can't stand him and think he's a major douche (his persona at least - I do admire his charitable work)
I hate to say it, but Davante Adams, Randall Cobb, Jimmy Graham, Aaron Jones is probably better skill guys than the Patriots have and the Pack OL has more pro-bowlers than the Patriots.
he’s had a masterful career. Just because I like Rodgers more doesn’t really mean anything. But McCarthy is an a solute bum, and Belichick is the best in the leagues history. It’s the single biggest difference in the two players careers and it matters more than anything.
Yeah Rodgers has more physical talent than Brady, but physical ability isn't the end all be all.
Here's something Brady has been able to do that Rodgers has not: stay consistently healthy. That matters.
Terps, I feel like this is the Elway-Montana debate just being rehashed 30 years later.
Montana had the structure, great coaching (and overall staff), and the W's that followed.
Elway had incredible talent and dragged a bunch of bums to the Super Bowl with questionable coaching, and yet when they lost, he got all the blame. But from pure talent, he and Rodgers may be the greatest I've ever seen.
We must subscribe to the same newsletter. I've thought for a while now that Rodgers is the evolutionary Elway. Rodgers a little more brittle than Elway and a lesser athlete, but a more pure and electric passer.
Elway has always been the guy I wanted at QB if you had one game to play anytime, anywhere, but Rodgers may have taken that mantle.
But I think people tend to give too much of the credit to Brady and not enough to BB.
From top to bottom that organization is run like a machine. They suffer injuries, the adapt. They don't suffer injuries, they evolve. It's no shock Soldier is nothing like the player in NY he was in NE. BB knows when it is time to let guys go and he maximizes everything he gets out of his players.
When I watch the Pats play I don't see Brady greatness, like everyone else. I see 40 guys playing with that greatness. Everyone talks about Brady not having great WRs and they don't understand how things work in NE. They don't throw big $ or high draft picks on prototype tall fast "#1" wideouts. Instead they target guys who are tough, lightning quick, sure handed, and great route runners, and they get them a hell of a lot cheaper.
We rip Eli for throwing short of the sticks on 3rd downs --have you watched the Pats??? That's all the do is throw short, but they spread it out to 4-5 guys and defenses have no idea where it's going and anyone of them will make the tough catch and slip a tackle. The timing is perfect.
Game on the line, I watch Patriots player after player make the play when it's needed. Even backup guys and on both sides of the ball. Brady gets all the credit, but they all make the plays. How many times has Eli thrown a catchable ball in critical situation and is dropped? In the Patriots uniform, their receivers will make the catch, or defender makes the tackle, or whatever it is they need. They do the fundamental things better than everyone else and BB knows that guys who do the fundamentals, are tough and smart get passed up in draft for guys who are bigger, taller, faster, etc. and he cashes in his picks to load up on the prior. This is the big advantage for having the head coach also be the guy making decisions on personnel.
But I think people tend to give too much of the credit to Brady and not enough to BB.
From top to bottom that organization is run like a machine. They suffer injuries, the adapt. They don't suffer injuries, they evolve. It's no shock Soldier is nothing like the player in NY he was in NE. BB knows when it is time to let guys go and he maximizes everything he gets out of his players.
When I watch the Pats play I don't see Brady greatness, like everyone else. I see 40 guys playing with that greatness. Everyone talks about Brady not having great WRs and they don't understand how things work in NE. They don't throw big $ or high draft picks on prototype tall fast "#1" wideouts. Instead they target guys who are tough, lightning quick, sure handed, and great route runners, and they get them a hell of a lot cheaper.
We rip Eli for throwing short of the sticks on 3rd downs --have you watched the Pats??? That's all the do is throw short, but they spread it out to 4-5 guys and defenses have no idea where it's going and anyone of them will make the tough catch and slip a tackle. The timing is perfect.
Game on the line, I watch Patriots player after player make the play when it's needed. Even backup guys and on both sides of the ball. Brady gets all the credit, but they all make the plays. How many times has Eli thrown a catchable ball in critical situation and is dropped? In the Patriots uniform, their receivers will make the catch, or defender makes the tackle, or whatever it is they need. They do the fundamental things better than everyone else and BB knows that guys who do the fundamentals, are tough and smart get passed up in draft for guys who are bigger, taller, faster, etc. and he cashes in his picks to load up on the prior. This is the big advantage for having the head coach also be the guy making decisions on personnel.
Nothing original here, but what you need to ask yourself is would this "system" work without Brady?
He's the one constant making that offense run and everyone wants to give Belichick more credit because he's the GOAT as a HC, but his defenses have left something to be desired the past 4 or 5 seasons and it's the offense that has carried the team.
Sure, some people point to 2008 when Matt Cassel replaced Brady and the Patriots went 11 - 5. What people don't mention because it doesn't fit their narrative is that a) the Patriots had historically the 2nd easiest schedule in NFL 16-game season history and b) their record was 5 games worse than the prior season. That's significant.
IMV it's another Brady vs Peyton debate. That was very lopsided early on, everyone felt Peyton was the better QB, now almost no one with a valuable opinion feels that way.
I believe both Belichick and Brady are needed to have the success they've had. I also believe 100% Brady could have success elsewhere, probably the same 1 SB success Rodgers or Brees have had if a 2nd SB. And I don't know if Belichick wins 5 SB's with Rodgers or Brees and the same supporting cast. Or any other QB.
He's an all time great. But he doesn't win all those rings in any other uniform.
As I said, everyone makes the plays the Pats need to win, not just Brady. You say the defense is bad, but even when the defense isn't a strength statistically, they still make the plays they need. Their wins and losses are not one guy carrying them. Special teams, defensive secondary, running backs, receivers, Oline, whoever. In those key situations that decide football games, the men in Pats uniforms make the plays. Period.
That's what I see.
The Patriots defense is 11th in the league in scoring Â
He's an all time great. But he doesn't win all those rings in any other uniform.
As I said, everyone makes the plays the Pats need to win, not just Brady. You say the defense is bad, but even when the defense isn't a strength statistically, they still make the plays they need. Their wins and losses are not one guy carrying them. Special teams, defensive secondary, running backs, receivers, Oline, whoever. In those key situations that decide football games, the men in Pats uniforms make the plays. Period.
That's what I see.
Did you watch the Super Bowl last year? That painful, awful Super Bowl?
the Patriots D got shredded. Brady shredded the Eagles D.
In the end there was no play by the Patriots D.
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He's an all time great. But he doesn't win all those rings in any other uniform.
As I said, everyone makes the plays the Pats need to win, not just Brady. You say the defense is bad, but even when the defense isn't a strength statistically, they still make the plays they need. Their wins and losses are not one guy carrying them. Special teams, defensive secondary, running backs, receivers, Oline, whoever. In those key situations that decide football games, the men in Pats uniforms make the plays. Period.
That's what I see.
Did you watch the Super Bowl last year? That painful, awful Super Bowl?
the Patriots D got shredded. Brady shredded the Eagles D.
In the end there was no play by the Patriots D.
You are talking about one game, LOL. A game they lost I'm not sure how this contradicts my point. So Brady doesn't win it all on his own? Gee...
If a guy is a winner I don't care about his skill set. The object is to win, and Brady has done more of that than anyone.
There is no room of QB greats that Brady doesn't have the key to.
Look at Brady's defenses in the years he won. Twice he had the best scoring defense in football.
Rodgers has NEVER had that.
The best he had was the 2nd ranked scoring defense. And guess what happened that year? He won the SB.
Brady has played for teams that were better coached and more talented. I don't know how anyone could debate that. Ted Thompson really was not a great GM - he just hit the jackpot on the QB and Rodgers has been covering up holes for years.
Look what happened to the Packers without him last year.
Contrast that with the Pats winning 14 times in 20 tries without Brady.
That doesn't matter?
This should have ended the thread. Absolute home run of a post.
You are putting more of the weight into results and winning - I am isolating the players and comparing them individually.
Neither is necessarily right or wrong.
But I don't think it's debatable that Brady has had a far better coach. He's also had better defenses. That stuff matters.
When I watch Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady, I just don't see Brady do anything that Rodgers can't.
From a talent standpoint, Rodgers is the better player - Brady has had far more success. But it's the NFL... there are so many other factors that impact overall wins and losses.
Anyway... this argument is detracting from a pretty good football game. It is what it is.
Zero issue with sending a rush there. It's less risky at 4th and 22 than it is at 4th and 4, or 4th and 6.
They got fucked. That was only a 5 yard penalty
Here's something Brady has been able to do that Rodgers has not: stay consistently healthy. That matters.
It's not about stats. Blake Bortles threw for like 4500 yards and 35 TDs a few years ago.
My opinion is borne out of watching both guys all these years.
I personally think Rodgers has carried a lot of crappy teams, he has had a far worse coach, and his escapability/ability to throw darts on the run is something Brady cannot physically do.
There is literally nothing Tom Brady does as a QB that I don't think Rodgers is capable of. He's more talented.
Winning is a product of many other factors. The Giants have absolutely no shot at winning our last SB unless the defense stepped up. They did. Eli made brilliant plays when he needed to. But if the defense hadn't come together and gotten healthy at that point, there's no chance we win that year.
Like I've said many times - look at what the Packers turned into without Rodgers and look at what the Pats turned into without Brady. GB went like 3-8 without Rodgers. NE had no problem winning games without Brady. They won the majority of them.
What I do know is I would sure as hell love to have a 22 year old version of any one of them drafted next April
Here's something Brady has been able to do that Rodgers has not: stay consistently healthy. That matters.
Terps, I feel like this is the Elway-Montana debate just being rehashed 30 years later.
Montana had the structure, great coaching (and overall staff), and the W's that followed.
Elway had incredible talent and dragged a bunch of bums to the Super Bowl with questionable coaching, and yet when they lost, he got all the blame. But from pure talent, he and Rodgers may be the greatest I've ever seen.
ever
"I guess Jeff George is one of the best ever"
Maybe you have a point if anybody here was saying Rodgers is all about the arm. That isn't it. And nobody is saying it.
Its a horse shit point. Try again.
QBs have more influence than any other single player on the field, but not more influence than the rest of the players combined.
A QB is only on the field for about 40-45% of plays. That means that the majority of the plays in the game, the QB has absolutely zero impact. And when he's on the field, his play is still dependent on the work of 10 other teammates.
If Brady's offensive line sucked and couldn't run block or pass protect, he would have 0 Super Bowl rings.
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if we're comparing them individually and taking the "skill set" out of the equation, what numbers or stats can you actually point to and say "Rodgers has a clear advantage here". Genuinely curious.
It's not about stats. Blake Bortles threw for like 4500 yards and 35 TDs a few years ago.
My opinion is borne out of watching both guys all these years.
I personally think Rodgers has carried a lot of crappy teams, he has had a far worse coach, and his escapability/ability to throw darts on the run is something Brady cannot physically do.
There is literally nothing Tom Brady does as a QB that I don't think Rodgers is capable of. He's more talented.
Winning is a product of many other factors. The Giants have absolutely no shot at winning our last SB unless the defense stepped up. They did. Eli made brilliant plays when he needed to. But if the defense hadn't come together and gotten healthy at that point, there's no chance we win that year.
Like I've said many times - look at what the Packers turned into without Rodgers and look at what the Pats turned into without Brady. GB went like 3-8 without Rodgers. NE had no problem winning games without Brady. They won the majority of them.
Those Superbowls all went through Brady’s arm though. He may have had some good defenses but the defenses rankings can easily get inflated by Brady driving and scoring at will against other teams. If you are suddenly down 20 in the blink of an eye, defenses know you are gonna have to throw to stay in the game and adjust accordingly.
I’ll give you that possibly Belicheck is a genius, but again it’s just a question that will never have an answer.
It's not something that just happens to them out of luck. They take the chances because they're bold and are in a position of strength, and confident in their process and culture.
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Mike McCarthy, Head Coach (2006-present)
I think Brees is a better passer. Brady a better competitor.
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Has too many blemishes on his resume to be considered better than Brady. Same with Brees.
I think Brees is a better passer. Brady a better competitor.
Brees splits outside of a dome are pretty bad. There’s nothing glaring like that on Brady’s resume.
Brady has had a remarkable career. Won SBs with no names and cast offs early in his career. Got the better of Peyton when everyone thought Peyton was the lock GOAT. Insane amount of SB appearances and wins in an era that’s damn near impossible to build a dynasty. Plenty of records. Plenty of comeback wins. Flawless career outside of the few SB losses.
Brees splits outside of a dome are pretty bad. There’s nothing glaring like that on Brady’s resume.
Brady has had a remarkable career. Won SBs with no names and cast offs early in his career. Got the better of Peyton when everyone thought Peyton was the lock GOAT. Insane amount of SB appearances and wins in an era that’s damn near impossible to build a dynasty. Plenty of records. Plenty of comeback wins. Flawless career outside of the few SB losses.
Really good point about Brees. He's a very good QB, but playing in a dome has distorted his production. Rating is 10 points less and his TD/INT ratio is worse (2.61 (H) vs 1.79 (R)).
At least Favre went to two Super Bowls and his team were always amongst the best in the NFC.
This Packers team ain’t sniffing a wild card this season
No Gronk, No Michel. No problem.
His RB was James White, Julian Edelman and castaway Josh Gordon his WR's.
He was missing starting OL last week.
but, it's all Belichick and Scar. Sure it is.
I can't stand him and think he's a major douche (his persona at least - I do admire his charitable work)
I hate to say it, but Davante Adams, Randall Cobb, Jimmy Graham, Aaron Jones is probably better skill guys than the Patriots have and the Pack OL has more pro-bowlers than the Patriots.
All 3 of them?
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Yeah Rodgers has more physical talent than Brady, but physical ability isn't the end all be all.
Here's something Brady has been able to do that Rodgers has not: stay consistently healthy. That matters.
Terps, I feel like this is the Elway-Montana debate just being rehashed 30 years later.
Montana had the structure, great coaching (and overall staff), and the W's that followed.
Elway had incredible talent and dragged a bunch of bums to the Super Bowl with questionable coaching, and yet when they lost, he got all the blame. But from pure talent, he and Rodgers may be the greatest I've ever seen.
We must subscribe to the same newsletter. I've thought for a while now that Rodgers is the evolutionary Elway. Rodgers a little more brittle than Elway and a lesser athlete, but a more pure and electric passer.
Elway has always been the guy I wanted at QB if you had one game to play anytime, anywhere, but Rodgers may have taken that mantle.
From top to bottom that organization is run like a machine. They suffer injuries, the adapt. They don't suffer injuries, they evolve. It's no shock Soldier is nothing like the player in NY he was in NE. BB knows when it is time to let guys go and he maximizes everything he gets out of his players.
When I watch the Pats play I don't see Brady greatness, like everyone else. I see 40 guys playing with that greatness. Everyone talks about Brady not having great WRs and they don't understand how things work in NE. They don't throw big $ or high draft picks on prototype tall fast "#1" wideouts. Instead they target guys who are tough, lightning quick, sure handed, and great route runners, and they get them a hell of a lot cheaper.
We rip Eli for throwing short of the sticks on 3rd downs --have you watched the Pats??? That's all the do is throw short, but they spread it out to 4-5 guys and defenses have no idea where it's going and anyone of them will make the tough catch and slip a tackle. The timing is perfect.
Game on the line, I watch Patriots player after player make the play when it's needed. Even backup guys and on both sides of the ball. Brady gets all the credit, but they all make the plays. How many times has Eli thrown a catchable ball in critical situation and is dropped? In the Patriots uniform, their receivers will make the catch, or defender makes the tackle, or whatever it is they need. They do the fundamental things better than everyone else and BB knows that guys who do the fundamentals, are tough and smart get passed up in draft for guys who are bigger, taller, faster, etc. and he cashes in his picks to load up on the prior. This is the big advantage for having the head coach also be the guy making decisions on personnel.
From top to bottom that organization is run like a machine. They suffer injuries, the adapt. They don't suffer injuries, they evolve. It's no shock Soldier is nothing like the player in NY he was in NE. BB knows when it is time to let guys go and he maximizes everything he gets out of his players.
When I watch the Pats play I don't see Brady greatness, like everyone else. I see 40 guys playing with that greatness. Everyone talks about Brady not having great WRs and they don't understand how things work in NE. They don't throw big $ or high draft picks on prototype tall fast "#1" wideouts. Instead they target guys who are tough, lightning quick, sure handed, and great route runners, and they get them a hell of a lot cheaper.
We rip Eli for throwing short of the sticks on 3rd downs --have you watched the Pats??? That's all the do is throw short, but they spread it out to 4-5 guys and defenses have no idea where it's going and anyone of them will make the tough catch and slip a tackle. The timing is perfect.
Game on the line, I watch Patriots player after player make the play when it's needed. Even backup guys and on both sides of the ball. Brady gets all the credit, but they all make the plays. How many times has Eli thrown a catchable ball in critical situation and is dropped? In the Patriots uniform, their receivers will make the catch, or defender makes the tackle, or whatever it is they need. They do the fundamental things better than everyone else and BB knows that guys who do the fundamentals, are tough and smart get passed up in draft for guys who are bigger, taller, faster, etc. and he cashes in his picks to load up on the prior. This is the big advantage for having the head coach also be the guy making decisions on personnel.
Nothing original here, but what you need to ask yourself is would this "system" work without Brady?
He's the one constant making that offense run and everyone wants to give Belichick more credit because he's the GOAT as a HC, but his defenses have left something to be desired the past 4 or 5 seasons and it's the offense that has carried the team.
Sure, some people point to 2008 when Matt Cassel replaced Brady and the Patriots went 11 - 5. What people don't mention because it doesn't fit their narrative is that a) the Patriots had historically the 2nd easiest schedule in NFL 16-game season history and b) their record was 5 games worse than the prior season. That's significant.
IMV it's another Brady vs Peyton debate. That was very lopsided early on, everyone felt Peyton was the better QB, now almost no one with a valuable opinion feels that way.
I believe both Belichick and Brady are needed to have the success they've had. I also believe 100% Brady could have success elsewhere, probably the same 1 SB success Rodgers or Brees have had if a 2nd SB. And I don't know if Belichick wins 5 SB's with Rodgers or Brees and the same supporting cast. Or any other QB.
As I said, everyone makes the plays the Pats need to win, not just Brady. You say the defense is bad, but even when the defense isn't a strength statistically, they still make the plays they need. Their wins and losses are not one guy carrying them. Special teams, defensive secondary, running backs, receivers, Oline, whoever. In those key situations that decide football games, the men in Pats uniforms make the plays. Period.
That's what I see.
As I said, everyone makes the plays the Pats need to win, not just Brady. You say the defense is bad, but even when the defense isn't a strength statistically, they still make the plays they need. Their wins and losses are not one guy carrying them. Special teams, defensive secondary, running backs, receivers, Oline, whoever. In those key situations that decide football games, the men in Pats uniforms make the plays. Period.
That's what I see.
Did you watch the Super Bowl last year? That painful, awful Super Bowl?
the Patriots D got shredded. Brady shredded the Eagles D.
In the end there was no play by the Patriots D.
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He's an all time great. But he doesn't win all those rings in any other uniform.
As I said, everyone makes the plays the Pats need to win, not just Brady. You say the defense is bad, but even when the defense isn't a strength statistically, they still make the plays they need. Their wins and losses are not one guy carrying them. Special teams, defensive secondary, running backs, receivers, Oline, whoever. In those key situations that decide football games, the men in Pats uniforms make the plays. Period.
That's what I see.
Did you watch the Super Bowl last year? That painful, awful Super Bowl?
the Patriots D got shredded. Brady shredded the Eagles D.
In the end there was no play by the Patriots D.